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hey.
i have sailed the internetz looking for answers for this. but i thought ild ask what everyone else thought.
would atrix lapdock work with sg2? (with mods off course) like changing the connectors about. and using a mhl to hdmi cable?
i was looking at the connectors and it is a micro hdmi and a micro usb if im not wrong..
whats everyones thoughts to this???
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hey.
i have sailed the internetz looking for answers for this. but i thought ild ask what everyone else thought.
would atrix lapdock work with sg2? (with mods off course) like changing the connectors about. and using a mhl to hdmi cable?
i was looking at the connectors and it is a micro hdmi and a micro usb if im not wrong..
whats everyones thoughts to this???
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My thoughts; not sure if serious...
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what do you mean by that? its a valid question.
i know for sure you can connect your sg2 to the hdmi to display. but its the trackpad and keyboard im wondering about the most?
Timoxa said:
what do you mean by that? its a valid question.
i know for sure you can connect your sg2 to the hdmi to display. but its the trackpad and keyboard im wondering about the most?
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NO.
Atrix has two different output ports. Micro USB for charging and data transfer, and micro-HDMI for TV-out. The laptop dock specific (I stress specific) for the Atrix uses BOTH of these ports in conjuction.
Galaxy S2 has ONE output port, a micro USB port that doubles for charging/data transfer, and connection to the optional MHL adapter accessory.
In NO WAY would you be able to MacGyver the Galaxy S2 to use the Atrix laptop dock.
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NO.
Atrix has two different output ports. Micro USB for charging and data transfer, and micro-HDMI for TV-out. The laptop dock specific (I stress specific) for the Atrix uses BOTH of these ports in conjuction.
Galaxy S2 has ONE output port, a micro USB port that doubles for charging/data transfer, and connection to the optional MHL adapter accessory.
In NO WAY would you be able to MacGyver the Galaxy S2 to use the Atrix laptop dock.
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alright. well thanks for the answer. guess il have to look for another idea. possibly using portable hd screen and a bluetooth mouse and keyboard.
cheers anyway.
ctomgee said:
NO.
Atrix has two different output ports. Micro USB for charging and data transfer, and micro-HDMI for TV-out. The laptop dock specific (I stress specific) for the Atrix uses BOTH of these ports in conjuction.
Galaxy S2 has ONE output port, a micro USB port that doubles for charging/data transfer, and connection to the optional MHL adapter accessory.
In NO WAY would you be able to MacGyver the Galaxy S2 to use the Atrix laptop dock.
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Timoxa said:
alright. well thanks for the answer. guess il have to look for another idea. possibly using portable hd screen and a bluetooth mouse and keyboard.
cheers anyway.
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You know... it just might work. The atrix lapdock does feed 5v power up the usb port which you could adapt from micro usb to whichever varient you need on your MHL cable. This would provide the power necessary to drive the hdmi circuitry that you had feeding into the micro hdmi input of the lapdock. Obviously you wouldnt have a true 'dock' but it sounds like you understand that. As long as your phone detected the mouse and keyboard as input devices it should work. Not sure how that operates with an MHL cable. It might require USB OTG, and im not sure if that is available over the USB connectivity provided by MHL. You could try with a standard usb keyboard If that works, then the lapdocks should too.
I know for certain that you can use the lapdock as the screen by just connecting the video out of the MHL adapter to the lapdock, and a usb power only cable (for the MHL adapter) to the lapdocks normal USB charge ports.
There is a thread called Lapdock HDMI that has more details!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1376679
As for the person saying it is or was impossible... you so sure now?
phire420 said:
You know... it just might work. The atrix lapdock does feed 5v power up the usb port which you could adapt from micro usb to whichever varient you need on your MHL cable. This would provide the power necessary to drive the hdmi circuitry that you had feeding into the micro hdmi input of the lapdock. Obviously you wouldnt have a true 'dock' but it sounds like you understand that. As long as your phone detected the mouse and keyboard as input devices it should work. Not sure how that operates with an MHL cable. It might require USB OTG, and im not sure if that is available over the USB connectivity provided by MHL. You could try with a standard usb keyboard If that works, then the lapdocks should too.
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ive seen some mhl cables online which have a micro usb port on the side also. so you can plug in the micro hdmi and usb at the same time .. not as the other guy said. anyway im going to order the dock to see what mods i can get done. if anything promising il repost.
phire420 said:
You know... it just might work. The atrix lapdock does feed 5v power up the usb port which you could adapt from micro usb to whichever varient you need on your MHL cable. This would provide the power necessary to drive the hdmi circuitry that you had feeding into the micro hdmi input of the lapdock. Obviously you wouldnt have a true 'dock' but it sounds like you understand that. As long as your phone detected the mouse and keyboard as input devices it should work. Not sure how that operates with an MHL cable. It might require USB OTG, and im not sure if that is available over the USB connectivity provided by MHL. You could try with a standard usb keyboard If that works, then the lapdocks should too.
I know for certain that you can use the lapdock as the screen by just connecting the video out of the MHL adapter to the lapdock, and a usb power only cable (for the MHL adapter) to the lapdocks normal USB charge ports.
There is a thread called Lapdock HDMI that has more details!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1376679
As for the person saying it is or was impossible... you so sure now?
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That thread is from the Atrix forum. What bearing does that have on the argument on getting this working on an S2??
Have you even looked at the connections involved here?
The Atrix's micro USB and micro HDMI port are side by side, and the dock plugs into both of them.
The MHL cable plugs into the ONLY port on the S2.
So I'm certainly not an expert on the inner workings of MHL, USB, and HDMI, but from what I can gather, you would have to splice an MHL cable to separate out the USB leads from the HDMI leads, then try to run the HDMI leads into a micro HDMI female port, and run the USB leads to a female micro USB port. I don't even know if that would work with MHL in the equation. I'm fairly certain the phone detects what is plugged in and decides how to use the port, which shoots this down idea down altogether... unless more hacking is involved into the OS. Which is way above my head, and I'm not fool enough to try.
See this thread, which is admittedly for the Galaxy Nexus, but is WAY more relevant than the Atrix thread you linked, as the GNex is also manufactured by Samsung, and also uses MHL technology.
Timoxa said:
ive seen some mhl cables online which have a micro usb port on the side also. so you can plug in the micro hdmi and usb at the same time .. not as the other guy said. anyway im going to order the dock to see what mods i can get done. if anything promising il repost.
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No - the micro USB port on the side of the MHL adapter is for power. If the HDMI port you plug into is NOT MHL compliant (and not many are, yet), you need to plug an AC adapter in to power the phone while HDMI is in use.
ctomgee said:
That thread is from the Atrix forum. What bearing does that have on the argument on getting this working on an S2??
Have you even looked at the connections involved here?
The Atrix's micro USB and micro HDMI port are side by side, and the dock plugs into both of them.
The MHL cable plugs into the ONLY port on the S2.
So I'm certainly not an expert on the inner workings of MHL, USB, and HDMI, but from what I can gather, you would have to splice an MHL cable to separate out the USB leads from the HDMI leads, then try to run the HDMI leads into a micro HDMI female port, and run the USB leads to a female micro USB port. I don't even know if that would work with MHL in the equation. I'm fairly certain the phone detects what is plugged in and decides how to use the port, which shoots this down idea down altogether... unless more hacking is involved into the OS. Which is way above my head, and I'm not fool enough to try.
See this thread, which is admittedly for the Galaxy Nexus, but is WAY more relevant than the Atrix thread you linked, as the GNex is also manufactured by Samsung, and also uses MHL technology.
No - the micro USB port on the side of the MHL adapter is for power. If the HDMI port you plug into is NOT MHL compliant (and not many are, yet), you need to plug an AC adapter in to power the phone while HDMI is in use.
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well. theres allot of different mhl cables. even if none of them support it. splitting the usb data from the other cables on the mhl should be easy. but like i said il order one to play with. im pretty sure even if i cant do anything with the sg2 il find another use for it. would be great for a project. but many thanks for your input. sure has shed some light in the dark.
Timoxa said:
well. theres allot of different mhl cables. even if none of them support it. splitting the usb data from the other cables on the mhl should be easy. but like i said il order one to play with. im pretty sure even if i cant do anything with the sg2 il find another use for it. would be great for a project. but many thanks for your input. sure has shed some light in the dark.
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Sure, there are a lot of MHL cables, but they are all essentially third party versions of the OEM Samsung MHL cable. (or whatever phone manufacturer you have that uses MHL - HTC, whatever)
I have high doubts ANY MHL cable will support it, since as I said, the phone will detect what type of connection is attached to decide how to send/receive signals from the port - if it sees the MHL adapter, it will do charge/HDMI; if it sees a regular USB cable, it will do charge/data transfer/OTG; if it sees an AC adapter, it does strictly charging. Notice how it can tell the difference when you have it plugged into your computer as opposed to when you have it plugged into the wall?
But if you want to go for it, good luck.
EDIT: yet another piece of info shooting this idea down.
Here's the video that he talks about in that post. Info specific on why this DOESN'T work is at about 7:25.
ctomgee said:
Sure, there are a lot of MHL cables, but they are all essentially third party versions of the OEM Samsung MHL cable. (or whatever phone manufacturer you have that uses MHL - HTC, whatever)
I have high doubts ANY MHL cable will support it, since as I said, the phone will detect what type of connection is attached to decide how to send/receive signals from the port - if it sees the MHL adapter, it will do charge/HDMI; if it sees a regular USB cable, it will do charge/data transfer/OTG; if it sees an AC adapter, it does strictly charging. Notice how it can tell the difference when you have it plugged into your computer as opposed to when you have it plugged into the wall?
But if you want to go for it, good luck.
EDIT: yet another piece of info shooting this idea down.
Here's the video that he talks about in that post.
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i pretty much thought the usb and hdmi wouldnt work from the beginning, il have to look into modding the dock to allow bluetooth. ive have just looked at the specifications of a mhl even though they can in theory support usb and hdmi at the same time. the sg2 wont. and i cant see any software mod that would allow this. il see what sort of bluetooth mods are available. maybe incorporate stuff i have done in the past. but the dock is too good to pass by.
i think we can close this thread as its been answered.
Timoxa said:
i pretty much thought the usb and hdmi wouldnt work from the beginning, il have to look into modding the dock to allow bluetooth. ive have just looked at the specifications of a mhl even though they can in theory support usb and hdmi at the same time. the sg2 wont. and i cant see any software mod that would allow this. il see what sort of bluetooth mods are available. maybe incorporate stuff i have done in the past. but the dock is too good to pass by.
i think we can close this thread as its been answered.
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Not to nitpick, but it's MHL 1.0 that won't support it. The GS2 just uses MHL. Who knows if there's a possibility to update it to whatever MHL 2.0 is, whenever it comes out.
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ctomgee said:
That thread is from the Atrix forum. What bearing does that have on the argument on getting this working on an S2??
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Noone is 'arguing', instead I am trying to be productive and help. Forgive me opening the door to actually trying it and thinking it through instead of just saying 'THERE IS NO WAY ITS POSSIBLE, OMG ATRIX FORUM'. you do know where you are.. right?
ctomgee said:
Have you even looked at the connections involved here? The Atrix's micro USB and micro HDMI port are side by side, and the dock plugs into both of them. The MHL cable plugs into the ONLY port on the S2.
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yes, of course. you couldn't tell by my reply?
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So I'm certainly not an expert on the inner workings of MHL, USB, and HDMI, but from what I can gather, you would have to splice an MHL cable to separate out the USB leads from the HDMI leads, then try to run the HDMI leads into a micro HDMI female port, and run the USB leads to a female micro USB port. I don't even know if that would work with MHL in the equation.
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Right, which is why i even posted in the first place. First you claimed to know, now you dont know, not very helpful. and yes, i think its understood there would be cables and a potential need for splicing, as outlined in the other lapdock thread.
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See this thread, which is admittedly for the Galaxy Nexus, but is WAY more relevant than the Atrix thread you linked, as the GNex is also manufactured by Samsung, and also uses MHL technology.
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actually the other thread is perfectly relevant, if you read it, you would understand the point of the thread is a howto on interfacing the lapdock with devices OTHER than the atrix, how could it be more relevant?
phire420 said:
Noone is 'arguing'
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Seriously? You're arguing that no one is arguing? By arguing?
phire420 said:
instead I am trying to be productive and help. Forgive me opening the door to actually trying it and thinking it through instead of just saying 'THERE IS NO WAY ITS POSSIBLE, OMG ATRIX FORUM'. you do know where you are.. right?
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Yes, I do. In the I9100 forums. Which is based on completely different hardware and architecture than the Motorola Atrix.
phire420 said:
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Have you even looked at the connections involved here? The Atrix's micro USB and micro HDMI port are side by side, and the dock plugs into both of them. The MHL cable plugs into the ONLY port on the S2.
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yes, of course. you couldn't tell by my reply?
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Clearly not, since you apparently understand less about how MHL works than I do.
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ctomgee said:
So I'm certainly not an expert on the inner workings of MHL, USB, and HDMI, but from what I can gather, you would have to splice an MHL cable to separate out the USB leads from the HDMI leads, then try to run the HDMI leads into a micro HDMI female port, and run the USB leads to a female micro USB port. I don't even know if that would work with MHL in the equation.
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Right, which is why i even posted in the first place. First you claimed to know, now you dont know, not very helpful. and yes, i think its understood there would be cables and a potential need for splicing, as outlined in the other lapdock thread.
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Actually, I said I'm not an expert. Not that I didn't know. That's two different things. I notice you also conveniently left off the part of my quote after the part that said "I don't even know if that would work with MHL in the equation" which read:
ctomgee said:
I'm fairly certain the phone detects what is plugged in and decides how to use the port, which shoots this down idea down altogether... unless more hacking is involved into the OS. Which is way above my head, and I'm not fool enough to try.
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phire420 said:
actually the other thread is perfectly relevant, if you read it, you would understand the point of the thread is a howto on interfacing the lapdock with devices OTHER than the atrix, how could it be more relevant?
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Sure, relevant. But not, at the same time. Look at post 10 of that thread. It says "The lapdock keyboard and touchpad work just like a normal USB keyboard and mouse."
Now, clearly I read the thread you linked. Did YOU read anything I linked, or watch the video featuring a spokesman from the frigging MHL consortium??? How he said HDMI out and USB will NOT work at the same time on any phone that utilizes MHL, not just the Galaxy S2? And goes on to explain why?
You started this fight with:
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As for the person saying it is or was impossible... you so sure now?
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in post 6. Get off your frigging high-and-mighty-horse, and crawl back under your bridge.
Timoxa said:
i pretty much thought the usb and hdmi wouldnt work from the beginning
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Video will work, but as ctomgee stated and linked, usb wont work at the same time
Timoxa said:
ill have to look into modding the dock to allow bluetooth.
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good luck m8 id love to see if you can pull this off!
you can always solder in a usb-Bluetooth tx so that the keypad and keyboard will work via bluetooth and hdmi via MHL. thats the only way
rmyc said:
you can always solder in a usb-Bluetooth tx so that the keypad and keyboard will work via bluetooth and hdmi via MHL. thats the only way
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sounds like it's a possible solution, i'm trying to find a way to use the lapdock with my galaxy s3. any idea where we can get a usb-bluetooth tx? pair this setup with allshare dongle for wireless transmission to hdmi, we'll hv a total wireless solution to connect any phone to the lapdock?!
NOTE: If you have an OFF BRAND Controller ALL BETS ARE OFF. THIS WORKS, BUT ONLY WITH THE SONY BRANDED CONTROLLER
Is this weird, or has support for it crept in in the last few ICS Builds and I missed it? I am not much of a gamer, not by any standard, but I was impressed when I saw video of Games like Riptide and Shadowgun with a PS3 controller.
Only limitation was, they had it cabled and not wireless, but then everything I read while researching said I would need to be rooted and use Sixaxis from the Market if I wanted to pair it wirelessly. I took that at face value and moved on. THEN...
Tried my sones wired Xbox 360 controller, and it worked, mostly... Wanted a better experience and my own controller so tried 3 different off branded controllers, one was a Madcatz (Xbox360) and that worked a little, but not great, then tried 2 others one was a Power A or something like that, forget what the other was. Neither worked at all, Nothing...
So I gave in and got a nice, Bluer, Sony Branded DualShock 3 controller. Used a USB to Mini-USB cable I had laying around, and hooked 'er up. Played Riptide. Wee. Tried Shadowgun.. cool for about 90 seconds... Then I got frustrated when it wasn't easy enough for a 5 year old to play... like I said, not much for gaming. I like racing games quite a bit, and tried Need For Speed Hot Pursuit.. WHEE EE EE!!! kay, enough of that... Then I grabbed an N64 Emulator (actually a few, N64oid, SNESDroid and SuperGNES. Loaded up some old favorites. DiddyKong Racing. Super Smash Bros. etc.
Then I saw it, I was on the .13 build for the last few weeks, no major issues, just generally crappy battery life. But when I was testing some router settings for better throughput, when I went to turn on Bluetooth... whoa... Why does it show PLAYSTATION(R) 3 Controller among my BT devices? Figured it was a tease, no way I had a wireless connection without root.
But no, I went an got the controller, and as soon as I pressed the center button, like a SPLIT SECOND later, that entry went straight to the top of the list, and showed... CONNECTED. ???
Go to a game, and it was soon obvious. It just works. And works amazingly well. I suggest ANYONE that has a Sony Branded PS3 controller, and has not tried it repeat my steps... Just so we can prove this is not a fluke... Oh, and I flashed .14 today, and it still works... I don't care what changed, I am thrilled.
I may even become a serious Gamer! anyone for a real Gamers Hard Core game.. like, uh... what Angry Birds or somethin'?
Thanks. I can't wait to try this when I get home.
skygunner27 said:
Thanks. I can't wait to try this when I get home.
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Yep. I hope it works as well for yo as it did for me.. Just cable it and play for a while first... The weirdest part? I never attempted to attch it via Bluetooth. Never even tried!
Heres another guy saying it works, but claims it works even with Bluetooth off (It doesn't - I HAD to try that, knhowing it was BS, but flipped BT back on an all good )
You can use a wireless Xbox controller with almost anything if you have the USB wireless microsoft receiver. I tried it today with SNESoid & N64oid. I am also not rooted and it works without any special app.
I thought it was common knowledge that you could connect a PS3 controller wirelessly without root if you had the dock, I'm pretty sure you can do it with the original TF too.
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I thought it was common knowledge that you could connect a PS3 controller wirelessly without root if you had the dock, I'm pretty sure you can do it with the original TF too.
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News to me. I had the TF101. And you needed it cabled to use a controller - Also, why on earth would you need the DOCK to connect WIRELESSLY? The only thing it ADDS is a USB port (And SD card which is meaningless) For that matter you can get the USB adapter that goes in the charging port to cable the controller to the Prime, if you can find one - I have one from my TF101 - Here is THE video used to demonstrate the PS3 Controller in use with Prime:
You sir are a genius...awesome!
@smarta$sphone. i may be wrong and sorry off i am but how did you have a USB to mini USB on the prime? where would the USB go? and the mini end would not fit either only micro but still confused because ps3 controller does not take USB takes that odd shaped crimped port... please advice?
And whoever said the controller will work wirelessly with dock? don't that defeat the purpose of wireless or is it to connect dock first to device to be able to use the controller wirelessly? sorry don't understand thanks
or you talking about plugging USB into the dock to begin with?
I know it works wireless (the controller) with the Sony Tablet S.
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@smarta$sphone. i may be wrong and sorry off i am but how did you have a USB to mini USB on the prime? where would the USB go? and the mini end would not fit either only micro but still confused because ps3 controller does not take USB takes that odd shaped crimped port... please advice?
And whoever said the controller will work wirelessly with dock? don't that defeat the purpose of wireless or is it to connect dock first to device to be able to use the controller wirelessly? sorry don't understand thanks
or you talking about plugging USB into the dock to begin with?
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That "crimped port" is one of the most common smaller charge/data ports for older mobile tech and other things...
It's miniUSB. Just uses any ol' miniUSB to USB cable, and the dock has a USB port which is needed to sync the controller to the Prime...
I don't understand your mini/micro USB comment there, so no real comment on it...
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Right! I should have said it more clearly. Like the next poster says, you have to have the dock (or that adapter) to have a USB port on the Prime; all the tablet has is its proprietary charge/data port.
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gotcha, lol didn't know that the crimped style was USB... so if i got that connection to a mini USB it will plug directly into the tablet or would i need mini to micro USB? worth four all the questions thanks btw
does the tablet have a mini or micro USB port?
You need either Asus Adapter or dock for USB
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@smarta$sphone. i may be wrong and sorry off i am but how did you have a USB to mini USB on the prime? where would the USB go? and the mini end would not fit either only micro but still confused because ps3 controller does not take USB takes that odd shaped crimped port... please advice?
And whoever said the controller will work wirelessly with dock? don't that defeat the purpose of wireless or is it to connect dock first to device to be able to use the controller wirelessly? sorry don't understand thanks
or you talking about plugging USB into the dock to begin with?
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Yes, sorry for any confusion. I initially plugged the Dualshock 3 into the dock via a standard USB to Mini-USB cable. I also have the USB adapter that fits in the Tablets charging port, but I rarely use it - Once as an experiment I plugged the adapter into the charging port on the dock, hoping it would provide a second USB port. Logically it could have worked, but that was not the case.
You asked who said the controller would work wirelessly with the dock? Uhmmm Post #5 in THIS THREAD, the one directly before my comment, that I QUOTED in the comment?
And what ARE YOU talking about? No offense, but that "Odd shaped Crimped Port" is a MINI USB... Very common, and was used on more devices, phones, cheap cameras tablets etc, for a while until Micro USB took it's place for thinness. Look up "Mini-USB" in Google, then hit "Images" Very common...
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gotcha, lol didn't know that the crimped style was USB... so if i got that connection to a mini USB it will plug directly into the tablet or would i need mini to micro USB? worth four all the questions thanks btw
does the tablet have a mini or micro USB port?
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The Tablet has NEITHER... The tablet ONLY has a proprietary charging port, but you can add THIS ADAPTER if you do not have the Dock. The adapter and the dock provide full sized USB, so you cable wood be USB (Full sized) to Mini (For the controller) Obviously you do not have a Prime, so why ask all of this?
Adapter here:
http://www.excaliberpc.com/607966/asus-external-usb-adapter-for.html
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don't have a prime because i don't understand the ports? lol so anyways what is the port under the volume? i bought mine at office depot February 11 i got it in the mail
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don't have a prime because i don't understand the ports? lol so anyways what is the port under the volume? i bought mine at office depot February 11 i got it in the mail
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Doesn't it ship with a booklet? Bought it and haven't checked out the official site or any specs?
It's your microHDMI port to have audio/video out to HDTV's and receivers.
sorry that was a typo..i meant micro HDMI not micro USB my bad... sorry for confusion and when i said something about post 5 i know who wrote it but was just talking about it in same thread was not directed directly at you but in general..
so aside from my confusing posts what i wanted to know is if they make mini usb to micro hdmi.. but i will Google it since i seem to be bothering folks.
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sorry that was a typo..i meant micro HDMI not micro USB my bad... sorry for confusion and when i said something about post 5 i know who wrote it but was just talking about it in same thread was not directed directly at you but in general..
so aside from my confusing posts what i wanted to know is if they make mini usb to micro hdmi.. but i will Google it since i seem to be bothering folks.
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Even if they did make that cable it would be quite useless with the prime. The tablet itself has no USB controller onboard. The adapter and the dock both have a USB host controller which allows the tablet to communicate with USB devices. HDMI is High Definition Media Interface, its not for hooking up I/O peripherals other than a monitor of some type.
iletone2 said:
sorry that was a typo..i meant micro HDMI not micro USB my bad... sorry for confusion and when i said something about post 5 i know who wrote it but was just talking about it in same thread was not directed directly at you but in general..
so aside from my confusing posts what i wanted to know is if they make mini usb to micro hdmi.. but i will Google it since i seem to be bothering folks.
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You're not bothering me lol It's hard to convey certain tones over the web I suppose.
rand4ll said:
Even if they did make that cable it would be quite useless with the prime. The tablet itself has no USB controller onboard. The adapter and the dock both have a USB host controller which allows the tablet to communicate with USB devices. HDMI is High Definition Media Interface, its not for hooking up I/O peripherals other than a monitor of some type.
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Right!
Your (micro)HDMI is just audio/video, like more compact (and digital) old RCA cables.
The only way to transfer data over a hard line with the Prime (just the tablet, no keyboard dock) is through it's 40-pin proprietary port: be that through it's charging cable to a computer, or the linked adapter to some other USB device.
Keyboard dock needed?
Sorry I'm an idiot, but do you have to have a keyboard dock to user PS3 wireless controller?
Have someone tried connecting two PS3 controllers at the same time? One with bluetooth and the other one trough the USB connector. Would have been nice if you can play co-op games on the SNES. (Contra!)
I've got my TP running CM9 alpha 2. I've always considered getting a keyboard for the TP to take notes in class.
Just saw one of these mini keywords at work:
http://m.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4522373&CatId=142
I know its USB but would it be possible to use a USB to micro USB adapter and get the necessary drivers loaded onto the pad to use it?
Idk of any Bluetooth keyboards as small as the one I linked but if there are, are there any that will work with the TP?
Any suggestions or ideas would be appreciated.
Thanks
You would need a powered USB hub to get it to work. I have the bt kb from HP and its awesome. I think it's cheaper too.
Check this out.
I just ran through that myself with great success.
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You would need a powered USB hub to get it to work. I have the bt kb from HP and its awesome. I think it's cheaper too.
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Do you know the size of it?
The main thing I liked about the one i linked was how small it was. It would be super light and easy to throw in my backpack.
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Check this out.
I just ran through that myself with great success.
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That. Is. Awesome.
Thanks! Rev you're the man haha!
Do you by chance have a link to the "on the go" charger that you were using?
Since ill mainly be using this on the go for class, or maybe on the train to work, a "wireless" setup would benefit me much more.
Thanks again!
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Do you know the size of it?
The main thing I liked about the one i linked was how small it was. It would be super light and easy to throw in my backpack.
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Sounds like we've got different priorities. The HP bt kb is pretty small, butb big enough to type on. It's the same size as my 15" laptop kb, so I can still touch type. Smaller than that, and it gets difficult to bang out anything more than a sentence or 2 IMO. Mine would easily fit in a backpack. It's only about a quarter inch thick, except where the batteries go...there it's almost an inch. And the LxW is about 14X4.5 or 5 maybe. I don't have a measuring tape or ruler here.
Gotcha.
Ya im just looking for something down and dirty so to speak haha. Idk if I want to pay $40 for the one i listed, so ill keep my eyes open and keep the HP one in mind as well
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Check this out.
I just ran through that myself with great success.
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Sweet, great video and love that you put links with Amazon Prime eligible stuff which I just ordered. Does the Touchpad charge with this method if there is enough current on the 5v line?
I have a Logitech USB gaming controller, I'll have to see if CM9 recognizes it (I believe its HID) and see if I can map its keys in an emulator. Also I imagine one could buy or make a portable USB power supply so this thing is mobile. When near and outlet the OEM HP charger would supply plenty of current (2A) for multiple USB devices. Its regulated so it will put out 5v even at low loads. Keyboards and mice are rated at only 100mA. I don't see why you couldn't hook both a keyboard and mouse into an unpowered USB hub if you are using the HP charger as your main source of USB power for the OTG adapter.
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Sweet, great video and love that you put links with Amazon Prime eligible stuff which I just ordered. Does the Touchpad charge with this method if there is enough current on the 5v line?
I have a Logitech USB gaming controller, I'll have to see if CM9 recognizes it (I believe its HID) and see if I can map its keys in an emulator. Also I imagine one could buy or make a portable USB power supply so this thing is mobile. When near and outlet the OEM HP charger would supply plenty of current (2A) for multiple USB devices. Its regulated so it will put out 5v even at low loads. Keyboards and mice are rated at only 100mA. I don't see why you couldn't hook both a keyboard and mouse into an unpowered USB hub if you are using the HP charger as your main source of USB power for the OTG adapter.
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Unfortunately, it does NOT charge off of this. I really wish it did.
Got my two cables in the mail today.
It works great with keyboards and mice, unfortunately it doesn't recognize my Logitech USB gaming controller. I tried a powered USB hub instead of the Y cable and all it did was charge the TP using the USB hub's power and no USB devices worked.
I then tried using a non-powered HUB connected on the Y cable using the HP charger as a power supply. It allowed me to use a keyboard and mouse simultaneously. So if you want to use more than 1 device get a non powered USB hub. Just make sure your power supply has enough current for all the USB devices. USB keyboards and mice only draw 0.1A so the 2A HP charger is plenty.
Why is nobody selling a unit with all of this built in? A little box with a rechargeable battery built in, an output for OTG microUSB and a few input USB ports.
Anyone know about a splitter that will take the 30-pin input and let you use one side for the 30-pin power adapter and the other side for 30-pin accessory like USB OTG pigtail?
I'm in the same boat,
Search and search but nothing,
You get USB to 2 30-pin but nothing for 30-pin to 2 30-pin adapters
The only option you have is to buy a Galaxy Tab break out board from Kinetica and solder your own cables to it..
What do you want to use at same time?
It would be nice to run external power while having an accessory plugged in such as the SD or USB drive or keyboard. I have 2 USB keyboards that have the pointing device built into it.
look in m y post in the make your own cables thread.
i added power to the odks circuit board and can watch movies via hdd at same time as charging.
easier way would be use the breaK out board though..
I have the connector parts, just I have to know the pin assignments...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1155065&page=11
Look at this thread..
Try my post first one before this page..
It explains it..
pin 7 is the posative 5v @2amps...
pin 30 is the earth..
(this is how i run it in car connected to 2 amps 5v source)
works well and if start close to 100 percent battery power leave it plugged in it doesnt drop anything even after watching 4 movies in a row still is 100 percent.
eventually i disconnected it to let the battery drop down alittle as not sure if good to keep it at full charge?
Maybe the best way would be try to follow my dock mod?
that way you can just use the 30 pin usb adapter and add a powered hub.
havent given an update on "line out" output as my usb adapter is covering it up
the outlet socket.might consider opening it up again and finding out if works then relocate the 3.5 stereo socket outlet.maybe could just solder some wires to it inside and add a new output some where else more accessable..
This is a bit of an old thread, but thought people might like to know that I have found a solution! DealExtreme has a splitter that has 2 OTG connectors and a charging connector....
3-in-1 30 Pin Male to USB Female OTG Hub Cable for Samsung Galaxy Tab - Black + White
http://dx.com/p/3-in-1-30-pin-male-...ble-for-samsung-galaxy-tab-black-white-153246
Here is the link to the cable post .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1155065&highlight=cables
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This is a bit of an old thread, but thought people might like to know that I have found a solution! DealExtreme has a splitter that has 2 OTG connectors and a charging connector....
3-in-1 30 Pin Male to USB Female OTG Hub Cable for Samsung Galaxy Tab - Black + White
http://dx.com/p/3-in-1-30-pin-male-...ble-for-samsung-galaxy-tab-black-white-153246
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Havent seen that cable before...anybody tried it?
Just curious IF and HOW it works...
I modded my dock to accept charge and host at same time but only triggers charge when hdd is connected whilst power applied.
I've got one from ebay. But its very poor quality. Its functionality is OK, but you cannot charge the Tab. External power is used to power the USB devices. It switches between internal Tab 5V and external 5V when applied. It ok with USB hdd that needs power.
o.k. thanks..
Cant help but wonder about the possibility of using it as charging and host at same time by using different resistor than 20k.not sure if you guys seen the thread about host and charging on galaxy s3 (hw mod) but they discovered a different resistance value 40.2k that could make the power part of the usb travel in both directions at the same time allowing this to happen...
im thinking the same could maybe happen for our 7.7 tab.
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Anyone know about a splitter that will take the 30-pin input and let you use one side for the 30-pin power adapter and the other side for 30-pin accessory like USB OTG pigtail?
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Chdck this out. Haven't tried yet, but this ought to work.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/130707719450
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Manipur said:
Chdck this out. Haven't tried yet, but this ought to work.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/130707719450
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Ordered. Will report back once i get it.
ToastyZ71 said:
This is a bit of an old thread, but thought people might like to know that I have found a solution! DealExtreme has a splitter that has 2 OTG connectors and a charging connector....
3-in-1 30 Pin Male to USB Female OTG Hub Cable for Samsung Galaxy Tab - Black + White
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Ordered this one few days ago but unfortunately it's not in stock and they don't know when they will have it back in stock so, are there some other options?
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Ordered. Will report back once i get it.
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Hey, did you get it? How is it?
If you connect the MHL cable to the device and the OTG cable to the MHL cable the device can't detect the OTG cable.
How can I make this work? I've seen videos in youtube that they connect their device to the TV at the same they have USB bluetooth mouse and keyboard connected.
Anyone tried using MHL cable and OTG cable at the same time?
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anyone?
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According to some of wikipedia entries it should be possible to use mhl and usb otg at the same time with a 11-pin mhl-hdmi adapter.
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11-pin MHL-USB Connector
The Samsung Galaxy S III uses a connector that is similar to the original 5-pin MHL-USB connector, but it uses 11-pins in order to achieve a few functional improvements over the 5-pin design.
It supports the use of USB and MHL simultaneously (note that the new Samsung 11-pin MHL-HDMI adapter also has a USB-OTG port).
Samsung’s Galaxy S III can power the MHL-HDMI adapter. Although this can theoretically also be done with the standard 5-pin micro-USB connector, the Galaxy S III's 11-pin connector is believed to be the first smartphone that supports this functionality.
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Here you go.
So, it should work. But I couldnt make it work at the moment
I also got one of these 11-pin connectors and like it seems only the S3 has these adapters, so why the **** doesnt it work?? :/
I already asked sammy on facebook, just wondering what they will answer^^
Hopefully we will have some pos. results, dude.
cheers
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If you connect the MHL cable to the device and the OTG cable to the MHL cable the device can't detect the OTG cable.
How can I make this work? I've seen videos in youtube that they connect their device to the TV at the same they have USB bluetooth mouse and keyboard connected.
Anyone tried using MHL cable and OTG cable at the same time?
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How would that work since the micro USB connection on the mhl cable is for power / charger?
In those YouTube videos is it possible that they have the mhl cable connected to the TV and power source, and the keyboard and mouse connected wirelessly via Bluetooth?
Confused because you said USB Bluetooth mouse and keyboard. From what I know they aren't USB.
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Samsung should eventually release a dock to use both so unless someone figures it out first you'll just have to wait, because if it just took an 11 pin USB cable someone would have got it working already and we'd know about it, so I reckon it might have some extra circuitry to make it recognised by the phone.
Guys, as I already posted, the connector has 11 pins, so it should be possible to use OTG and MHL features at the same time. thats the only reason sammy brought out this connector and also cause of incompability with the 5-pin connector.
So they should bring the f*ck out somethin for the phone that activates this feature.
And a big problem I have with my mhl-connector is that I cant configure the output
on my 2 TVs at home I get 1080i, (both only 1080i capable), but the picture is kinda oversized so I cant see 100% percent of the picture, only 90% or smt like this.
But the funny part is, that I get on my 1680x1050p PC monitor only 576p screen, what actually sucks So it would be awesome if I could choose the resolution I want to have. But I guess its a thing of the connector (maybe it choose the resolutions iself).
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so the one in the videos using keyboard and mouse are bluetooth thru phone?
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I am SO HARD waiting for THAT "DOCK" hopefully will came out any day soon.
They should do iut fast. I'm waiting so hard for everything get connected with my Phone. It will be awsome if I don't need my Pc anymore.
To use the MHL cable you must have power connected to the adapter.
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bordikun said:
If you connect the MHL cable to the device and the OTG cable to the MHL cable the device can't detect the OTG cable.
How can I make this work? I've seen videos in youtube that they connect their device to the TV at the same they have USB bluetooth mouse and keyboard connected.
Anyone tried using MHL cable and OTG cable at the same time?
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That's damn funny because I have wanted to know whether that would work as well, lol.
Did seriously consider trying but as I was on holiday if they broke, I wouldn't be able to get replacement so didn't try it.
In theory I would think it could work, but only if you could somehow wire in power to the hdmi adapter as it appears to need that to run the hdmi aswell as provide power to the phone, at least enough that once the usb adapter tries to demand power to run it isn't enough for the phone to output.
As to whether this is just a a stupid guess and assumption of how the devices and being a noob, I don't know.
If you can get a micro female to male adapter with a usb splitter for power then technically I can't see why it wouldn't work if the limitations are physical as oppose to software based (whole other issue I have no clue about).
EDIT: Wow, when I started that post no one had replied, err, seems a little redundant now, lol. My bad. Also, this 5 minute wait to point this out, have seemed really long...
guess we'll have to wait for that dock.
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