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Been thinking of getting a tablet so went into Currys today to have a look. love the screen on the GTab but found it was very laggy swipping through home screens? compared it to the Xoom next to it and that was smooth as silk?
I even reset the GTab to see if that would help but no change and if i put a live wallpaper on it got even worse? i tried all 3 they had on display and all the same, i did notice though they all had touchwiz installed?
I really like the GTab but was put off by this experience, can someone tell me if this is normal?
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Been thinking of getting a tablet so went into Currys today to have a look. love the screen on the GTab but found it was very laggy swipping through home screens? compared it to the Xoom next to it and that was smooth as silk?
I even reset the GTab to see if that would help but no change and if i put a live wallpaper on it got even worse? i tried all 3 they had on display and all the same, i did notice though they all had touchwiz installed?
I really like the GTab but was put off by this experience, can someone tell me if this is normal?
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Looking at Touchwiz update reviews on Youtube, it seems extremely laggy compared to my Xoom. Strangely all say it's really smooth after the Touchwiz update. I don't know, either they have never used a Xoom (Android 3.2) or I'm just seeing things.
But i couldn't resist and ordered the GT10.1 anyway, i guess i will find out soon enough...
I've had both the Xoom and the Tab.
Probably less than .0001% of my time is spent swipping through screens. A HUGE percentage of my time is spent holding the tablet. The reason I took the XOOM back is because my left hand ached (I'm right handed) at the end of the day holding the Xoom. It's heavy, deceptively heavy.
At the end of the day my left hand doesn't ache with the Tab.
Simple rule of thumb: Determine what you will do with the device most of your day and evaluate how it performs on that. Don't use fluff as a decision criteria.
With the latest update (TouchWiz) I have 0 lag. They need to get those display models updated to give potential buyers a REAL look at the current speed. I love my tab!!
Don't forget that, in a lot of videos, there are a bunch of widgets on every homescreen. That slows things down a lot. Moreover, with something like apps organizer, you really only need one homescreen. Lastly, the touchwiz update does help a lot - especially if you do the + button then go to the more tab thing.
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With the OTA excess widgets removed, and non-live wallpapers in-use seems pretty smooth for me.
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Don't forget that, in a lot of videos, there are a bunch of widgets on every homescreen.
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I was hoping that this is why it seems to be lagging so much.
I dont know about the xoom but having recently shifted from the asus transformer, i can tell you that the samsung tab lags in comparison. No offense intended but I personally find that even the stock rom i had with asus performed better than the finest custom roms over here ( even with fresh install with no apps installed). This is because both the xoom and tf are using very light and stock roms while samsung added a lot of bloatware with the touchwiz. Also i tend to believe the white theme adopted in touchwizz literally slows down the whole experience.
HOWEVER, inspite of tht, i do believe that the samsung tab is a premium quality device and outweighs the other tabs because of its weight and size.
Xoom: fast but very heavy
TF: fast but a bit heavy and too wide for a tablet. ( you cannot even type at ease using swift key)
Bear in mind that this is something that you ll be holding your hand for hours maybe.... So in the end size and weight might matter more than speed depending what you intend to do with it
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thanks for the replies they all help, was just a little put off by the fact that 3 demo machines were really laggy and stuttery.
TabGuy your right, i would hardly ever swipe between screens in normal use but its just the fact that that before you buy something you try it out and if something doesnt seem to be how you expect a premium device to work then that puts dought in your mind.
Its alot of money for me (as i am sure it is for others too) to be spending out on a device and i just want to make sure i get the right tab
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thanks for the replies they all help, was just a little put off by the fact that 3 demo machines were really laggy and stuttery.
TabGuy your right, i would hardly ever swipe between screens in normal use but its just the fact that that before you buy something you try it out and if something doesnt seem to be how you expect a premium device to work then that puts dought in your mind.
Its alot of money for me (as i am sure it is for others too) to be spending out on a device and i just want to make sure i get the right tab
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My tf died yesterday but i popped into currys tiday and got a white one having used the tf from day one i can say i much prefer the tab and havent noticed any lag at all yet. I had the tf on prime rom and oc kernel and it was great also but the tab for me wins out however as not to be flamed the tf is also a good unit esp if u want the dock sdcard etc
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think im gonna go for it, was going for the Xoom as currys have reduced the price to under £400 if you buy online but the GTab was calling my name lol.
wanted the SD card option really but have read about the new Seagate Go Flex satalite HDD which will solve all storage space problems which opens the door to the GTab
I received my Asus Prime on Saturday. My first impressions were excellent, but very, very quickly it became clear how many issues the device has.
Wifi signal is just awful. I have an AEBS and while sat no more than 6 feet away, it can't manage full signal. Instead I end up with between two and three bars.
Actual wifi throughput is unpredictable at best. Sometimes it seems ok, but on a regular basis internet browsing seems ridiculously sluggish for a supposedly powerful device. Flash regularly crashes completely. On a few occasions a minor web site crash has resulted in a complete loss of any wifi throughput and my having to completely reboot the device.
I get zero GPS indoors. I occasionally get 1 or 2 satellite locks while outdoors. GPS is basicially unuseable.
Since the latest update, my wifi uses up as much battery life as the screen. Insane. I'd almost forgive it, if I had a good wifi signal. I do not.
The single speaker is a dreadful design flaw, with an atrocious maximum volume.
Plugging in headphones - you get various bizarre pops and crackles during use. This in a premium device? Really... just not good enough, Asus.
I have a Galaxy S2 phone which uses Android and really like that. I like it because it was designed properly, and it works.
I am not an Apple fanboy. Just a very, very disappointed customer.
This is being returned for a refund.
Just such a shame we don't have a genuine Android tablet competitor. I hope one arrives soon, then maybe I'll give this tablet malarkey another bash.
cool story bro
Yeah that's too bad that you had a tablet with that many issues.
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cool story bro
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I know... it was a crap story, and I apologise. Just needed to vent my disappointment.
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I came here just to wait for this
But seriously Dude, you had bad luck. Wifi and headphone quality are completly fine on mine. Take your prime back and get another one if you like the device. Most primes dont have the issues you describe, except GPS which isnt an official feature of the prime anymore. Its now just a bonus.
Stuff like speaker volume can be fixed with apps.
Or just get the ipad, its magical.
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Yeah that's too bad that you had a tablet with that many issues.
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Presumably the next Prime has been fast-tracked to fix the problems with this one. Hopefully it'll be a success and we'll get the killer device we're all after.
EVERY electronic device I've used from many companies these days always have at least one issue to deal with, so I doubt it.
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I received my Asus Prime on Saturday. My first impressions were excellent, but very, very quickly it became clear how many issues the device has.
Wifi signal is just awful. I have an AEBS and while sat no more than 6 feet away, it can't manage full signal. Instead I end up with between two and three bars.
Actual wifi throughput is unpredictable at best. Sometimes it seems ok, but on a regular basis internet browsing seems ridiculously sluggish for a supposedly powerful device. Flash regularly crashes completely. On a few occasions a minor web site crash has resulted in a complete loss of any wifi throughput and my having to completely reboot the device.
I get zero GPS indoors. I occasionally get 1 or 2 satellite locks while outdoors. GPS is basicially unuseable.
Since the latest update, my wifi uses up as much battery life as the screen. Insane. I'd almost forgive it, if I had a good wifi signal. I do not.
The single speaker is a dreadful design flaw, with an atrocious maximum volume.
Plugging in headphones - you get various bizarre pops and crackles during use. This in a premium device? Really... just not good enough, Asus.
I have a Galaxy S2 phone which uses Android and really like that. I like it because it was designed properly, and it works.
I am not an Apple fanboy. Just a very, very disappointed customer.
This is being returned for a refund.
Just such a shame we don't have a genuine Android tablet competitor. I hope one arrives soon, then maybe I'll give this tablet malarkey another bash.
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I completely agree with you, unfortunately you'll get flamed on here for voicing you disappointment with the device. Not sure why people feel so vexed about people posting negative experiences about the product they paid the same amount of money for.
I've had my prime for about a week now and I'm not entirely happy with my purchase, it just feels like the thing has been shipped out with little to no testing. The Asus software keyboard is a perfect example, it's just unusabe in landscape mode as the keys on the centre of the keyboard are impossible to reach without major strain on your hands and wrists. It has a Swype mode which is laggy, inaccurate and doesn't play well with the screen as your finger doesn't swipe across with ease.
You then have complete system pauses when anything is being written to the /data partition, something my two year old HTC Desire use to suffer from but not my Galaxy Nexus or my Gingerbread driven Galaxy SII.
Web browsing is plagued by "Connection to the server has timed out" messages and if it isn't that I'm getting the "Browser isn't responding message", all of this on web pages that my Galaxy Nexus eats for breakfast. Thankfully I'm not too bothered about GPS and have not tested my units GPS performance and WiFi has been fine but then again, I've only used it around the house and I don't really use Bluetooth.
I love Android, especially ice cream sandwich and my Nexus but Android on tablet just doesn't compare to the iPad experience that I've seen as my housemate has the iPad3. I mean majority of the apps on my Nexus do not have a tablet interface and I do not see this improving. Even pro Android blogs are reporting that developers struggle to make 25% of the income they get from iOS, on Android; it's no wonder they choose to put more resource behind iOS.
I fully expect to be flamed for my opinions, I really want to love the Transformer Prime but I feel disappointment in my purchase. I also really want Android to compete well in the tablet market as I use Google services and love Android on phones, it makes sense to use an Android tablet but it just doesn't offer a great experience right now.
No intention of flaming now.
You cant say the device is bad because of some apps that are preinstalled i think. I mean yeah the keyboard sucks, so i got thumb keyboard and that is awesome. Problem solved.
There are many awesome browsers as well, if you like the stock one but want an improved version just get ICS+ browser its even free in the market If you want the fastest one get Opera.
Thats like saying Windows is bad because Internet Explorer sucks. Because you know the first thing you're gonna install is Firefox anyway.
The fact that you can install customized parts of the OS like the keyboard is actually a strength of this device and Android in general. On iOS that is simply not possible, even 3rd party browsers are based on Safari because of the way apple locks up stuff...
And concerning app revenue, its true that devs make less money on the Google play store than with iOS, but they actually do very well with the Amazon app store. But i have to agree, there is room for improvement with alot of apps. Anyway i'm an optimist and things will only get better from here.
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I received my Asus Prime on Saturday. My first impressions were excellent, but very, very quickly it became clear how many issues the device has.
Wifi signal is just awful. I have an AEBS and while sat no more than 6 feet away, it can't manage full signal. Instead I end up with between two and three bars.
Actual wifi throughput is unpredictable at best. Sometimes it seems ok, but on a regular basis internet browsing seems ridiculously sluggish for a supposedly powerful device. Flash regularly crashes completely. On a few occasions a minor web site crash has resulted in a complete loss of any wifi throughput and my having to completely reboot the device.
I get zero GPS indoors. I occasionally get 1 or 2 satellite locks while outdoors. GPS is basicially unuseable.
Since the latest update, my wifi uses up as much battery life as the screen. Insane. I'd almost forgive it, if I had a good wifi signal. I do not.
The single speaker is a dreadful design flaw, with an atrocious maximum volume.
Plugging in headphones - you get various bizarre pops and crackles during use. This in a premium device? Really... just not good enough, Asus.
I have a Galaxy S2 phone which uses Android and really like that. I like it because it was designed properly, and it works.
I am not an Apple fanboy. Just a very, very disappointed customer.
This is being returned for a refund.
Just such a shame we don't have a genuine Android tablet competitor. I hope one arrives soon, then maybe I'll give this tablet malarkey another bash.
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I completely agree with you, unfortunately you'll get flamed on here for voicing you disappointment with the device. Not sure why people feel so vexed about people posting negative experiences about the product they paid the same amount of money for.
I've had my prime for about a week now and I'm not entirely happy with my purchase, it just feels like the thing has been shipped out with little to no testing. The Asus software keyboard is a perfect example, it's just unusabe in landscape mode as the keys on the centre of the keyboard are impossible to reach without major strain on your hands and wrists. It has a Swype mode which is laggy, inaccurate and doesn't play well with the screen as your finger doesn't swipe across with ease.
You then have complete system pauses when anything is being written to the /data partition, something my two year old HTC Desire use to suffer from but not my Galaxy Nexus or my Gingerbread driven Galaxy SII.
Web browsing is plagued by "Connection to the server has timed out" messages and if it isn't that I'm getting the "Browser isn't responding message", all of this on web pages that my Galaxy Nexus eats for breakfast. Thankfully I'm not too bothered about GPS and have not tested my units GPS performance and WiFi has been fine but then again, I've only used it around the house and I don't really use Bluetooth.
I love Android, especially ice cream sandwich and my Nexus but Android on tablet just doesn't compare to the iPad experience that I've seen as my housemate has the iPad3. I mean majority of the apps on my Nexus do not have a tablet interface and I do not see this improving. Even pro Android blogs are reporting that developers struggle to make 25% of the income they get from iOS, on Android; it's no wonder they choose to put more resource behind iOS.
I fully expect to be flamed for my opinions, I really want to love the Transformer Prime but I feel disappointment in my purchase. I also really want Android to compete well in the tablet market as I use Google services and love Android on phones, it makes sense to use an Android tablet but it just doesn't offer a great experience right now.
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Well said. Now that you have called out the regular flamers they will try a different flaming approach.
Not the first time I read the Prime feels slow compared to the Galaxy S II(I got both too) but what ever secret sauce Samsung has, Asus clearly doesn't.
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No intention of flaming now.
You cant say the device is bad because of some apps that are preinstalled i think. I mean yeah the keyboard sucks, so i got thumb keyboard and that is awesome. Problem solved.
There are many awesome browsers as well, if you like the stock one but want an improved version just get ICS+ browser its even free in the market If you want the fastest one get Opera.
Thats like saying Windows is bad because Internet Explorer sucks. Because you know the first thing you're gonna install is Firefox anyway.
The fact that you can install customized parts of the OS like the keyboard is actually a strength of this device and Android in general. On iOS that is simply not possible, even 3rd party browsers are based on Safari because of the way apple locks up stuff...
And concerning app revenue, its true that devs make less money on the Google play store than with iOS, but they actually do very well with the Amazon app store. But i have to agree, there is room for improvement with alot of apps. Anyway i'm an optimist and things will only get better from here.
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I've owned Thumb keyboard since owning my Samsung Galaxy SII, so I'm using it now but it's a paid solution that I shouldn't have to rely on or turn to. If the product had been tested enough, the keyboard would have been flagged as being not very ergonomic. All Asus have done is slapped a custom software keyboard onto the device and ticked a box. Someone gets paid to design these products and they're supposed to be professionals with good understanding of when something is good enough for the consumer market. If I can tell that the software keyboard is poor within a week, it should have been picked up in the months of testing this thing should have been through.
In regards to the browser, 3rd party applications are not a solution seeing as I use Chrome on my desktop and this syncs with the stock WebKit browser just fine. Chrome for Android is in beta and doesn't support flash, Opera means I lose my Chrome sync and Firefox is slow unless you use a nightly with native Android UI support and again, I lose my Chrome sync. The WebKit browser in 4.0.2 on my Nexus works completely fine so again, what has Asus done to make it work so poorly on the Transformer? I've tried ICS+ but again, this suffers from the same poor responsiveness on pages like The Verge, unsurprising as it's built off the WebKit source and only really adds features, rather than improving performance.
It's not like saying Windows sucks because of Internet Explorer at all, as I've not said the Prime's downfall is purely due to web browsing. The fact the system comes to a complete halt when applications are being written to /data is also very poor, considering that again, this is something the technically inferior Nexus doesn't suffer from. As per usual, I've mentioned this in another thread and have been told it can be fixed by changing the I/O scheduler but the default scheduler on the Prime is noop, which is the same as the scheduler on the Nexus. Noop and deadline schedulers are also reported to be the best for solid state flash storage too, so not sure what else I would change the scheduler to as it's already set to the best.
I don't even have root anyway as I'm on .21, so it's a moot point anyway.
Yes customisation on Android is great, it's one of the reasons I like the platform apart from being a massive consumer of Google services but third party applications shouldn't be viewed as a way excuse manufacturers releasing devices with inexcusable problems.
Anyway, I'm not exactly short of money so I'll keep the Prime for now as there's noting else Android tablet wise worth switching to. I'll wait until Samsung come out with an Exynos 5 based tablet as both my last two Samsung phones have always been very snappy and hopefully it will also have a metal back like the Tab 7.7.
I hear you, there are some (imho) small things that totally annoy you about the Prime. And they are potential deal breakers for you, thats fine with me.
The prime isnt perfect. I'm not trying to say that. But it has so many awesome aspects and fills most of my needs so good that i'm willing to overlook a 2-3 second lag when i install an application, or the fact that i have to pay 2 bucks or something for a very nice feature filled soft keyboard (Honestly you'd probably use Thumbkeyboard on your Samsung tablet as well or not?). And as you said there is nothing better on the market right now
Just a small thing i want to add theverge.com desktop version actually runs better on my prime (ICS+ browser) than on my Desktop PC (PhenomII X4 @3.5ghz, Radeon4870, 4gb ram win7 64bit, Firefox)^^ If i click the middle mouse button to get continuous scrolling it lags on my PC. On the prime its completely smooth. Both systems have adblock and flash/java always enabled.
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I hear you, there are some (imho) small things that totally annoy you about the Prime. And they are potential deal breakers for you, thats fine with me.
The prime isnt perfect. I'm not trying to say that. But it has so many awesome aspects and fills most of my needs so good that i'm willing to overlook a 2-3 second lag when i install an application, or the fact that i have to pay 2 bucks or something for a very nice feature filled soft keyboard (Honestly you'd probably use Thumbkeyboard on your Samsung tablet as well or not?). And as you said there is nothing better on the market right now
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I would use Thumb Keyboard if the Samsung keyboard was also poor but I would really love SwiftKey to have a tablet version of their latest version 3 beta. It's very good and using it on my Nexus right now. I actually really like the stock Android keyboard as the voice input is very good, shame it doesn't have a split keyboard layout for tablets.
You're right about the lag and Web browser pauses being relatively small issues, just I was expecting flawless smoothness in these areas seeing as I've had phones with weaker specs and older versions of Android that manage better. I've read Gary is in Cali with nVidia and Google and browsing performance is on the agenda to discuss.
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The browser freeze/lag is pretty much the only issue left that annoys me on the Prime. I have found that Boat Browser is a huge improvement on the stock browser when it comes to that in the meanwhile.
Hopefully when we get 4.04, this last browser issue will be ironed out.
Oh my gato.
Mine works fine, I was outside BBQing in the backyard yesterday w/ the fam watching youtube/listening to music.
I honestly think some people just have better luck w/ their WiFi; or truth be told, it may just be the router or person itself?
I have no issues using opera mobile at all. no lags, scrolls fast and smoothly, plays flash video the best out of any browser, never throws up message do you want to wait or close. flawless
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I would use Thumb Keyboard if the Samsung keyboard was also poor but I would really love SwiftKey to have a tablet version of their latest version 3 beta. It's very good and using it on my Nexus right now. I actually really like the stock Android keyboard as the voice input is very good, shame it doesn't have a split keyboard layout for tablets.
You're right about the lag and Web browser pauses being relatively small issues, just I was expecting flawless smoothness in these areas seeing as I've had phones with weaker specs and older versions of Android that manage better. I've read Gary is in Cali with nVidia and Google and browsing performance is on the agenda to discuss.
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SwiftKey does have a tablet version of beta 3. Using it right now
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The Prime should ship soon-ish with a redesigned back panel to fix the radio issues. This is the reason their biggest non mail order retailer customer Best Buy does not have any more, or the current skus on order.
Hey Everyone,
I have been pretty much decided on purchasing a Nexus 10 as my first entry in to the Tablet market. I planned on selling my Macbook and attempting to live with just a tablet, as to be honest, there isn't much I do on my Macbook nowadays that I could not achieve on a tablet. I wanted to wait until I could play with a Nexus 10 in a store prior to making a purchase just in case though. Obviously this will have to wait a little longer.
In the mean time, my brother just arrived for a visit from Australia and he has the Asus Transformer TF201. I had a play with this last night and have to say, I am very impressed. It has such a solid feel, looks premium and the keyboard dock which has extra battery and all the ports needed is quite fantastic. I hadn't seen one before and wondered what he was doing when he took the screen off what I thought was a small netbook! After having a play, I did some research and see the TF700 has a rather nice HD screen, a little more power and comes in the same lovely package. The only problem is, I can't see it available in the UK anywhere and from all my research, it seems it was due out a while back. It seems to be available at some places in Europe, for example you can get a French one, which would have a French keyboard, which I'm not too interested in. Otherwise, you can get from America on Ebay for around 420 pounds including delivery.
Has anyone got this TF700 and if so, what are your thoughts? How do you compare to the Nexus 10? Did you give up the TF700 for the Nexus 10? Or will you be staying put? It's small package and keyboard make it quite an ideal laptop replacement. I don't think it's quite as powerful as the Nexus 10 though.
I hope I posted this in the right place, if not, please tell me and I'll amend.
Cheers,
Mike
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Mikeparakh said:
Hey Everyone,
I have been pretty much decided on purchasing a Nexus 10 as my first entry in to the Tablet market. I planned on selling my Macbook and attempting to live with just a tablet, as to be honest, there isn't much I do on my Macbook nowadays that I could not achieve on a tablet. I wanted to wait until I could play with a Nexus 10 in a store prior to making a purchase just in case though. Obviously this will have to wait a little longer.
In the mean time, my brother just arrived for a visit from Australia and he has the Asus Transformer TF201. I had a play with this last night and have to say, I am very impressed. It has such a solid feel, looks premium and the keyboard dock which has extra battery and all the ports needed is quite fantastic. I hadn't seen one before and wondered what he was doing when he took the screen off what I thought was a small netbook! After having a play, I did some research and see the TF700 has a rather nice HD screen, a little more power and comes in the same lovely package. The only problem is, I can't see it available in the UK anywhere and from all my research, it seems it was due out a while back. It seems to be available at some places in Europe, for example you can get a French one, which would have a French keyboard, which I'm not too interested in. Otherwise, you can get from America on Ebay for around 420 pounds including delivery.
Has anyone got this TF700 and if so, what are your thoughts? How do you compare to the Nexus 10? Did you give up the TF700 for the Nexus 10? Or will you be staying put? It's small package and keyboard make it quite an ideal laptop replacement. I don't think it's quite as powerful as the Nexus 10 though.
I hope I posted this in the right place, if not, please tell me and I'll amend.
Cheers,
Mike
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Mike,
I've had both the Prime and the Infinity. Prime was plagued with light bleed issues and bad wifi reception so Asus traded mine for the TF700. It was nearly perfect for one dumb but vital mistake, the eMMc on which Asus decided to save some money (that is, they put a very poor and cheap one in it). Because of that, the devices lags in the browser and starts lagging when you have multiple apps open. By lag I don't mean it takes micro secs longer. The device would just lock up for a few seconds before continuing (slowly) and does that a few times.. There is a work-a-round which improves performance a bit called CleanROM. However, for that you have to unlock your device which you have to do via the Asus website and voids all your warranty. So I sold the Infinity to get the N10 as I was sick of it. I hope the N10 is better.
Hope this helps a bit...
The cheap emmc on all Asus tablets is a deal breaker. Untill they fix that I wouldn't recomend any asus tablet.
I am not confident about Transformer's storage performance. Check this simple video about boot speed. Obviously SoC plays a part, but I believe that the NAND also plays a vital role.
Just found some numbers. Check the Infinity numbers about Androbench storage test:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6073/the-google-nexus-7-review/6
Compare this against N10:
http://cdn.androidpolice.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/nexusae0_Screenshot_2012-11-07-12-09-06.png
Important are first 4 numbers (Sequential read/write and random read/write).
Seeing 2 votes for the Asus, any reasons why guys? Input would be greatly appreciated! Cheers.
I have both in my posession right now.
The infinity like others have said is almost a perfect tablet. It has everything. However the device is SLOW. As others have stated Asus cheaper out on the memory and using the device is a chore.
I will be keeping my nexus and returning my 700. The nexus is amazingly smooth, less light bleed than my Asus.
The only downfall is no micro SD on the nexus vs the Asus.
Edit: there are votes for the nexus, not the Asus. Everyone so far has been pro nexus
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Same here,nice display on tf700 but using it is a chore
As soon as my order is marked as shipped im putting it on ebay/craigslist
duarian said:
I have both in my posession right now.
The infinity like others have said is almost a perfect tablet. It has everything. However the device is SLOW. As others have stated Asus cheaper out on the memory and using the device is a chore.
I will be keeping my nexus and returning my 700. The nexus is amazingly smooth, less light bleed than my Asus.
The only downfall is no micro SD on the nexus vs the Asus.
Edit: there are votes for the nexus, not the Asus. Everyone so far has been pro nexus
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When you say slow, do you mean in all operations? Or anything specific? I used the TF201 last night for a few hours of web browsing and general stuff and that seemed to be pretty good. It was running Jellybean too. Surely the TF700 must be a step up from this in performance which couldn't be that bad?
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When you say slow, do you mean in all operations? Or anything specific? I used the TF201 last night for a few hours of web browsing and general stuff and that seemed to be pretty good. It was running Jellybean too. Surely the TF700 must be a step up from this in performance which couldn't be that bad?
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There's nothing wrong with the tf700. It appeals to a lot of people that offers a lot of options. I owned a tf700 and enjoyed it for the 30 days AI had it. It was fast and JB was a nice welcome. I had rooted it and stayed locked and stocked. Only tweaks were installing Browser2ram for faster stock browser experience. Its true IO is an issue if you choose to stay locked. Available ram will dip close to 350 to 400mb available from its 1gig. Sometime as low as 100mb left due to having several widgets and or playing a high intensive game. So multitasking can be a challenge at times. If you unlock and install a custom rom like Cleanrom, you won't have any IO issues. It is definitely a step up from the Prime, I also owned that for 6months before I switched to the Infinity. Just returned my Note10.1 for the N10! Can't wait to get my hands on it!
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Wasn't intending to put the Asus down. It is a great tablet. The only thing that holds it back is the slow internal memory. To really bring out the full potential you have to unlock it (which voids the warranty sending your serial number to Asus). Install cleanrom and a kernel, and some have gone as far as buying a class 10 64gb micro SD and moving the data partition to that negating the internal memory.
I would keep my Asus if the internal wasn't so slow. Browsing Netflix, the market was just tedious. Installing apps took forever. I would much rather do things on. My phone than the Asus. Its a shame because that's the only flaw I found with the tablet.
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I cannot comment on ASUS's poor choice on the internal storage; but with a Galaxy Prevail I had, there was a mod that could transfer data to an external micro SD card. Upon doing this, I couldn't even use the device just due to how bad the lag was (the micro SD card I was using must of been a slower class). Switched back to internal, and all was well.
So using a slower flash controller can make the overall experience of a device very much worse.
My input is biased as I have not owned Nexus 10, and may not ever. Still debating.
But I have done extensive research about all the major tablet out there including Nexus 10, various windows 8 tablets, and owned Infinity myself for about 3 months or so. I sold it in anticipation of Nexus 10.
So here are some of things I can tell (nexus 10 part is just a speculation, and definitely guys own the device can tell you better)
Screen - Nexus 10
Infinity's screen was phenomenal when I jumped from iPad 2. Then I got Note 10.1, and just could not tolerate the lower resolution anymore so had to go back to Infinity. I am not sure if the Infinity to Nexus 10 gives the same degree of jump, but it is possible if you purely look at difference in number of pixel densities. Though one thing I can say is if you never used higher resolution screen, it's hard to know what you are missing. Because I saw new Ipad several times, but until owned Infinity myself and used for couples day I really did not appreciate the difference.
Battery Life - Infinity.
Charge time is faster, extra docking battery, and perhaps tablet itself already has better battery than the Nexus 10 according to paper.
Extra storage - Infinity
MicroSD. I am sure you can connect couple cables via microUSB and use them on Nexus 10 as well, but certainly not as convenient and visually not as good.
Build Quality - Likely Nexus 10
I have never exchanged any of my electronics before in my life. With infinity, I had to do it twice and seems like quite few complaints on the forum here. So when you get a good unit, it's great but there is chance you might have to go through couple exchange. As far as light bleed, some person posted on this forum that Nexus 10 has light bleed. That was actually worth if not the same to the worst light bleed I had on my 3 infinity tablet i.e. both have light bleed.
Dock station - Its really nice to have docking keyboard on infinity. People are hoping Pogo connector on Nexus 10 to support this, and personally I am dreaming the same. However, to be honest, I am not even certain that connector support such type of input.
Application Performance - Likely Nexus 10
Overall performance is likely stronger on Nexus 10, but so far reviews I have read across multiple sites sounds like not a complete ground breaking performance. Nexus 10 certainly has better GPU than Infinity, but supports way more pixels. CPU wise, perhaps it may be due to the fact the some benchmarks are not yet optimized for A15 architecture, but if you look at some benchmark like Antutu Infinity is superior. (Mainly because quad vs. dual core difference I believe). The other test is Sunspider, which is browser test. After the latest firmware update, Infinity's stock browser gives 900's score. Clearly above the Nexus 10, but nexus 10's score also likely to go up. However, there tests are generally just number and I don't think not true reflection of real experience by any mean.
As far as slow internal storage, it is true that Infinity uses inferior internal storage; however, whether you really notice this as major issue or not is depends on how you use your tablet. Initially, people complained this as a cause of slow browser page loading, near complete stall of system while application downloading. Also, relatively frequent application not responding errors. These have been alleviated by update; however, not eradicated. So wonder how Nexus 10 solved this.
Wifi Performance - Nexus 10
MiMo should give quite extra wifi performance.
Future proof - ?
Nexus 10 will definitely get quicker updates on OS. But ASUS is also very fast in fact it has been one of the fastest to get OS update among non nexus device. Though actual overall internal hardware is somewhat inferior to that of Nexus 10, Infinity drives less resolution so it may be relatively sufficient for what it has. If so, as developer supports more higher resolution applications on Android platform (to support Nexus 10), Infinity will also benefit at the same time. So my guess is unless Asus gives up, relative future proof are probably similar between the two.
Conclusion
In current stage of tablet market, I just don't see any tablet that is perfect or completely superior to other competitive device including Nexus 10, Infinity, and Galaxy Note 10.1. Personally, I want a tablet with high resolution screen, luxury of Infinity's dock, microSD, and Galaxy Note 10.1's stylus. WIth zero crash, 10 hours battery, less than 600g... Closest I see for potential right now (myself) is Windows surface Pro but even it lacks battery life, and weight factor. Maybe Samsung's next tablet (Galaxy Note 10.1 with high resolution screen)... I think you just need to list what is important for you and decide.
I had both the Prime and the Infinity. The main reason I returned them was because I read this forum. The Prime had its issues, but I did just fine with the router in my room, and outside the house I always used my phone as a hotspot so the wi-fi problems did not hit me hard. The GPS NEVER worked, but I said to myself, who cares, I have GPS on my phone. I ended up returning it because Best Buy let me (which I also found about here), and because after reading the forum I had the idea that it was the right thing to do, I did pay good money for the device.
As for the Infinity, it was perfect... to me, it was, but again, from reading the forums I had the urge to return it because it ticked me off that ASUS "overlooked" a glaring flaw AGAIN. But to be honest, I was fine with the performance.
I have the Nexus 10 and it is also a good device so no regrets. People are finding flaws on it already, like some flexing in the back. I have the flexing, it's very, very small, and it doesn't bother me at all, light bleed? I don't even know what that is and if I have it.
If you can try out the Infinity and don't feel like it's sluggish AND really loved the dock and expandable memory, get it. Not everyone is as picky with their devices. This is not meant as an insult to anyone here, I just feel like some here look for perfection more than I do. I can understand that because these devices are not cheap at all.
Usually, I tend to stick with what i have and learn to love it, unless it's just a really crappy device or it doesn't work at all.
I hope I have helped you a bit in making your decision.
FINAL EDIT: I forgot to say this, imo, the Infinity felt much more solidly built, the Aluminum just felt right.
Why does everyone keep attributing the lag they see on the transformer infinity to hardware issues? This argument has already been debunked due to the software optimization of cleanrom and c10 without overclocking... any issues that might be noticed on the infinity will be fixed with future updates. So please people, stop with the inaccurate assumptions. The infinity is an absolute beast and so is the N10. The deal breaker for me with the N10 is the battery and no sd card slot. Those are huge issues for me that CAN'T be corrected with updates. The battery is issue has been known since the first reviews came in.
Both devices are awesome, but i have to give the edge to the infinity...OP i would ask yourself these questions...
1. Is battery life important to you?
2. How good are both manufacturers with software updates?
3. Is external storage important to you?
4. Would you rather metal or plastic? Does it male a difference to you?
5. Is having the option of converting your tablet into a netbook appealing to you?
6. Is having Extra battery life through a keyboard dock appealing to you?
I would ask yourself these questions before making your decisions. Good luck!
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Why does everyone keep attributing the lag they see on the transformer infinity to hardware issues? This argument has already been debunked due to the software optimization of cleanrom and c10 without overclocking... any issues that might be noticed on the infinity will be fixed with future updates. So please people, stop with the inaccurate assumptions. The infinity is an absolute beast and so is the N10. The deal breaker for me with the N10 is the battery and no sd card slot. Those are huge issues for me that CAN'T be corrected with updates. The battery is issue has been known since the first reviews came in.
Both devices are awesome, but i have to give the edge to the infinity...
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It is hardware. The benchmarks shown the internal memory of the Asus to be extremely slow. The read/right in benchmarks is slow. I think 0.2 mb/s at times?
Cleanrom doesn't fix that...it just masks it somewhat. I've watched videos of cleanrom and yes it works great, but tweaking software only takes it so far.
Being forced to unlock and give up your warranty on a $500 device to mask the hardware is just not worth it IMO.
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It is hardware. The benchmarks shown the internal memory of the Asus to be extremely slow. The read/right in benchmarks is slow. I think 0.2 mb/s at times?
Cleanrom doesn't fix that...it just masks it somewhat. I've watched videos of cleanrom and yes it works great, but tweaking software only takes it so far.
Being forced to unlock and give up your warranty on a $500 device to mask the hardware is just not worth it IMO.
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Its not hardware, its software. And doesn't mask the i/o issues, it optimizes the software to make better use of the storage speeds. And I'm saying you don't have to unlock, I'm saying that the issues you might see ( which are almost non existent since the last update) CAN be corrected with updates, as made by example of cleanrom. Also looking around these boards, you guys are dealing with some pretty serious issues of your own...
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Its not hardware, its software. And doesn't mask the i/o issues, it optimizes the software to make better use of the storage speeds. And I'm saying you don't have to unlock, I'm saying that the issues you might see ( which are almost non existent since the last update) CAN be corrected with updates, as made by example of cleanrom. Also looking around these boards, you guys are dealing with some pretty serious issues of your own...
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Well I'm not trying to start an argument on the forums. I have both, all with the latest firmware and the N10 flies compared to my Asus. I was really, really trying to like the asus...but its just to sluggish for me. Everyone has their own opinions and needs from a device. Mine just lean more towards the nexus.
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Asus tablets are honestly terrible. Every single display model I have ever used from the transformer, prime, infinity, tf300 etc has all had either a poor wifi connection or ran like crap. Coincidence? Slight possibilty, but considering I go to a lot electronic stores, that doesn't instill me with much confidence.
I am actually shocked that Asus managed to make the Nexus 7 run well, it is plagued with hardware issues but at least it runs well.
Maybe their next crack at the infinity will be good but for now it sucks and the Nexus 10 seems quite awesome.
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Well I'm not trying to start an argument on the forums. I have both, all with the latest firmware and the N10 flies compared to my Asus. I was really, really trying to like the asus...but its just to sluggish for me. Everyone has their own opinions and needs from a device. Mine just lean more towards the nexus.
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Unless you have reset your infinity to factory and done a full clean update to the latest firmware, along with either keeping stock on both devices or having exactly the same apps installed, then making a point that one device is faster than the other is not accurate. I can show you a nexus 1 factory reset and that will "fly" faster than a galaxy nexus that hasn't been put through the same treatment, doesn't mean the nexus 1 is the better device.
Your right, it does come down to needs and personal opinions, just gotta make sure your making those decisions on accurate information my friend....
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Asus tablets are honestly terrible. Every single display model I have ever used from the transformer, prime, infinity, tf300 etc has all had either a poor wifi connection or ran like crap. Coincidence? Slight possibilty, but considering I go to a lot electronic stores, that doesn't instill me with much confidence.
I am actually shocked that Asus managed to make the Nexus 7 run well, it is plagued with hardware issues but at least it runs well.
Maybe their next crack at the infinity will be good but for now it sucks and the Nexus 10 seems quite awesome.
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Except for the horrible battery, poor graphics performance and no microSD slot...ya.... awesome...
Also I'm playing on my sisters N10 right now. I honestly see no difference besides the obvious UI. What i have noticed though is the battery. There is no way I could deal with this.... 30 percent after a little over an hour of mkv movie playing? That my friend is the definition of an inefficient battery to usage ratio.
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Unless you have reset your infinity to factory and done a full clean update to the latest firmware, along with either keeping stock on both devices or having exactly the same apps installed, then making a point that one device is faster than the other is not accurate. I can show you a nexus 1 factory reset and that will "fly" faster than a galaxy nexus that hasn't been put through the same treatment, doesn't mean the nexus 1 is the better device.
Your right, it does come down to needs and personal opinions, just gotta make sure your making those decisions on accurate information my friend....
Sadly I did do that first thing. No change. As I said I have both sitting in front of me so I have all the information I could possibly have haha
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Just got mine, but initial impressions aren't all that positive. The N10 is my 6/7?th tablet, so I think I have some reasonable comparisons (original iPad, Xoom, Acer, Asus TF101,102, Prime, Infinity).
I really dislike the layout of the N10 Android home/back buttons. I use my tablets almost exclusively in landscape mode, so having to reach to to middle of the screen to find home or back buttons BLOWS. I have large hands but I hate having to move my hand rather than reaching with my thumbs - seems so unnecessary. I also dislike Chrome as the defacto browser because it doesn't have Flash and the usual Android stock browser (which is very good overall) isn't loaded - so forced to use other browsers (with their own quirks) that do support Flash. Frankly, until every site on the net is available in HTML5, every device needs Flash support.
While the screen is nice, it's not something I noticed was mind blowingingly better than than the Asus Infinity (nor the Prime for that matter). I use my tablet all day long for reading and I don't find the resolution improvement offers much improvement.
The really nice thing about the N10 is the speaker locations. Makes a meaningful improvement over rear facing speakers on the Prime/Infinity. That said, volume is still too low - have to get an aftermarket app (like SpeakerBoost) to get volume up to decent levels for noisy environments.
Battery life seems good - better than the Asus Infinity/Prime, but obviously no dock to goose battery life a lot more. USB charger is slow on the N10. Asus wins that contest hands down.
Build quality seems good, but Asus Infinity is so much nicer (and thinner and lighter).
N10 offers smooth scrolling so the processor works nicely. Chrome works buttery smooth, but alas, lack of Flash is ridiculous as so many sites I visit still use Flash.
I'll keep for a few more days to see if it grows on me, but I think it's going back for a refund...
That said, if the N10 is your first high end tablet, you'll like it...
Wait a second, so you prefer the build and materials over smoothness and performance? What kind of cracked out world are we living in?
The browser is replaceable and flash is easily implemented so the only thing that you mention is feel and build. Maybe flesh out a little better of why you prefer the infinity or you will end up looking like that pierrekid moron.
You can solve your 2 main issues pretty easily actually :
Buttons: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2010280
Browser: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2006215
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...What kind of cracked out world are we living in?
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The same world where somebody could mistake a Nexus 7 as an iPad Mini, before the iPad Mini was even released
The N10 is not using Tablet UI which explains why the navigation buttons are in the bottom-center. Tablet UI since 4.2 is deprecated in Google's eyes.
The N10 is also the "Google" experience, which is why Chrome is included by default. Flash player on Jellybean is not supported, and there's nothing you nor anyone else can do to warrant any kind of support from Google or Adobe regarding such matters. With this said though, there are various methods for getting Flash Player working on Jellybean. On devices that use an older OS (ICS for example), I guess Flash Player works just fine. Also... I run into very few sites that "require" flash player.
And... since this is a Nexus device, you can easily tailor the device to your needs. Your not forced with a lockdown bootloader, unlocking the bootloader doesn't void warranty, and the Nexus 10 is the best device supported on AOSP currently, which means customizing the Android experience should be... relatively easy for anyone (with experience). That button-location thing I mentioned, can be fixed with some modifications.
I haven't owned a Infinity, so I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure the Nexus 10 is more "open".
I would take chrome over transformers laggy browsers. They have terrible stock browsers. (Yes, download another one.) Tf201 was a TERRIBLE tablet! Battery was good but gps didnt work, bluetooth and wifi couldnt be used at the same time, wifi had terrible signal. Looked nice but that's about it. Nexus wins this.
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Nothing mentioned in the OP should be an issue for anyone who has owned a Nexus device or has minimal knowledge on how to root and use custom roms/kernels.
WilliamShakespeare said:
Just got mine, but initial impressions aren't all that positive. The N10 is my 6/7?th tablet, so I think I have some reasonable comparisons (original iPad, Xoom, Acer, Asus TF101,102, Prime, Infinity).
I really dislike the layout of the N10 Android home/back buttons. I use my tablets almost exclusively in landscape mode, so having to reach to to middle of the screen to find home or back buttons BLOWS. I have large hands but I hate having to move my hand rather than reaching with my thumbs - seems so unnecessary. I also dislike Chrome as the defacto browser because it doesn't have Flash and the usual Android stock browser (which is very good overall) isn't loaded - so forced to use other browsers (with their own quirks) that do support Flash. Frankly, until every site on the net is available in HTML5, every device needs Flash support.
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bee answered your question. It's a very easy thing to accomplish. You can achieve your desired preference in future ROMs and in present ROMs available for the N10.
WilliamShakespeare said:
While the screen is nice, it's not something I noticed was mind blowingingly better than than the Asus Infinity (nor the Prime for that matter). I use my tablet all day long for reading and I don't find the resolution improvement offers much improvement.
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Are you being serious? If there's anything to gripe about it's the apps that have not been updated to provide the optimal performance for the N10, you'll have to be patient for the community to catch up to the specifications of the N10. They're beyond amazing when they have proper support compared to older tablets. The image quality is definitely noticeable in this case.
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The really nice thing about the N10 is the speaker locations. Makes a meaningful improvement over rear facing speakers on the Prime/Infinity. That said, volume is still too low - have to get an aftermarket app (like SpeakerBoost) to get volume up to decent levels for noisy environments.
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Yes the speaker locations are paramount. They should have always been the standard - which they will be now.
When playing movies using MX Player or playing music through Google Music, I have to turn the volume down as it gets too loud so I disagree with the volume being too low.
You honestly have to have hard of hearing to believe that. Why would anyone in a noisy enviroment not use headphones? The device comes with a headphone jack which would make sense to utilize in such enviroments.
For example:
Listening to music on a portable device such as the N10 when you're in a room with other people playing games (causing lots of noise) and then complaining about the volume being too low is being ignorant. Use your headphones.
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Battery life seems good - better than the Asus Infinity/Prime, but obviously no dock to goose battery life a lot more. USB charger is slow on the N10. Asus wins that contest hands down.
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You're comparing something to nothing. The pogo charger/dock hasn't been released for the N10 yet so resorting to comparing it to the stock charger, which only takes 5½ hours for me to charge from 0% is excellent for a 9000mah battery, is moot and completely nullifies your comparison. You should wait until Samsung/Google releases the pogo charger and/or keyboard dock.
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Build quality seems good, but Asus Infinity is so much nicer (and thinner and lighter).
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Build quality is superb for the Nexus 10. It really doesn't matter as it's all subjective and differs from individual to individual.
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N10 offers smooth scrolling so the processor works nicely. Chrome works buttery smooth, but alas, lack of Flash is ridiculous as so many sites I visit still use Flash.
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There are alternatives to achieve the desired results.
WilliamShakespeare said:
I'll keep for a few more days to see if it grows on me, but I think it's going back for a refund...
That said, if the N10 is your first high end tablet, you'll like it...
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The only thing that the Infinity would have over the N10 is the microSD expansion slot and maybe the camera, but who takes photos with tablets for art? Congrats.
Screen and screen resolution is inferior
Only has 1GB of ram
An abysmal 224ppi - tablets for that cost should have better ppi for a better picture quality.
Only supports MP3
so on so forth.
Someone who doesn't appreciate the price per power ratio of the N10 doesn't deserve to own one.
Return it and be gone.
Im sorry but you must be high or something. I came from the A500, GTab 10.1, Prime, Infinity then Note 10.1. The only tablet that I would consider going back to which I dont because the N10 is a beast, is the Note 10.1.
The Infinity has lots of problems and we all know what they are. I gladly sacrificed the keyboard dock for the N10 which wil be on craigslist shortly.
If you dont realize what you got there then its best that you do return your N10 and head back to the Infinity/Prime forum.
Oh and the screen... its definitely better then the Infinity in everyway.
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The Infinity is 0.5mm thinner and 5g lighter. I can't imagine how a human would actually notice that difference.
Folks,
give the OP some slack here. I can see how someone coming from TF700 would not see the N10 as a quantum leap.
Let me tell you a little secret ... I ordered the N10 about an hr after it went up for sale ... cancelled the order 20 mins later ... just could not think of why it would be so much better compared to the ... drum roll ... the TF101 I have ( I have 2 in the household ).
I am still hoping and praying that Sammy will release what was known as P10 , after the contractually obligated "do not compete" clause expires.
Dock, stylus, expansion slots ... CES may be ? Something that is free of Google's idiotic restrictions ...
Good luck waiting for dock and/or charger for N10
I just have one question:
You said USB charging on the Infinity was better. I had the Infinity for a while before I got my N10, and I could never actually get it to charge via USB. I'm still curious as how to actually get it to work.
I am wondering how you can even compare things that are clearly OS version and app dependent ??
Flash / Browser , yada yada yada ...
4.2 does not support flash end of story, you have to sideload or use something non-stock, it if you want flash to work.
So when you get 4.2.1 STOCK AOSP on the Infinity then you could actually make a fair comparison.
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Folks,
give the OP some slack here. I can see how someone coming from TF700 would not see the N10 as a quantum leap.
Let me tell you a little secret ... I ordered the N10 about an hr after it went up for sale ... cancelled the order 20 mins later ... just could not think of why it would be so much better compared to the ... drum roll ... the TF101 I have ( I have 2 in the household ).
I am still hoping and praying that Sammy will release what was known as P10 , after the contractually obligated "do not compete" clause expires.
Dock, stylus, expansion slots ... CES may be ? Something that is free of Google's idiotic restrictions ...
Good luck waiting for dock and/or charger for N10
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It makes sense to compare a tablet you own to the N10, but to go as far as saying there's another tablet that's factually better than the Nexus 10 with the points the OP claimed are anything but him having buyers remorse and trolling.
The reason I'm not going from the Galaxy Nexus to the Nexus 4 is because it's not a large enough gap in technology to warrant buying a new phone. The OP bought the N10 expecting it to project holograms and provide time travel and was disappointed it didn't so says that an inferior device is better than said device. It makes no sense. If it's not the upgrade you expected, don't blast the device. It's better than any of the tablets he mentioned albeit not a substantial upgrade.
I'm not going around the Nexus 4 forums saying the Galaxy Nexus is better because the upgrades are minimal compared to what I already own.
It's just irrelevant and ignorant to say such things with little to no context other than self-absorbed remorse.
This thread should be closed. It's pointless and disappointing.
I still can't figure it out. Unless build materials and weight is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than performance and battery life, which he admitted was superior on the Nexus 10, it doesn't make any sense.
His other issues are easily fixed through the play store or side load.
I wish the OP and and pierrekid would just cut out the BS politics and just come out and say I love Asus or I hate Google/Samsung build materials. Honesty is something that is sorely missing in today's society. Can't say I blame them though, sometimes you have to flat out lie to get ahead.
I myself have owned both a prime and an infinity, and back when I owned them, prayed daily that Google would release a 10inch tablet to the market. When they announced it, I knew I would give away my ASUS counterparts in a heartbeat no matter what. The prime/infinity had such lagginess, even with custom roms, you could tell the I/O suffered immensely
I couldn't be happier with my N10. It's a f*ck*in monster, and the screen res blows away the infinity. Put em up side by side...you can tell a difference.
I would never go back to ASUS again. I can't even believe this is a discussion. There were so many unhappy asus owners, and hell...there still are this very day!
God bless Google and doing the Nexus 4, 7 and 10. They are an ARMY!
Buttons that are centered, can easily be solved in the near future with a custom rom. Not to mention anything else you have as a pet peeve
How would anyone prefer the Asus tablet when it is confirmed it has a poor hardware memory which causes slowdowns and freezes?
Maybe you haven't heard about the I/O problems with Asus tablets...
No way a tablet with memory hardware problems is better than the nexus 10.
Agreed
Had 2 Asus Tf700 and I return both them back..
Too much problem
1-Bluetooth lag
2-It couldn't handle a lot media files
3-Dead trigger was crashing on my device all the time,called Madfinger and they know what to the me.
4-Stupid Asus want to follow Apple footsteps, only one speaker....
Etc.....
The only good thing about the TF700 is the aluminum body.
Glad Google come out with this device..
PS:And don't have to wait for an update when it is released...
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I agree with the OP, the nexus 10 is my 3rd tablet(the other 2 are the trasformer tf300 and the Infinity). Both tf300 and the Infinity play somewhat fine with Blu ray movies in MKV format. Hoping for better smoothness and performance in videos with the Nexus 10, i was disappointing to find out the Infinity did better than the Nexus 10 in video playback(using mxplayer pro)
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I agree with the OP, the nexus 10 is my 3rd tablet(the other 2 are the trasformer tf300 and the Infinity). Both tf300 and the Infinity play somewhat fine with Blu ray movies in MKV format. Hoping for better smoothness and performance in videos with the Nexus 10, i was disappointing to find out the Infinity did better than the Nexus 10 in video playback(using mxplayer pro)
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Media playback will improve once media players are updated to support the N10's GPU. I've had to use software rending 5 out of 10 times with the videos I've watched.
The idea of this thread is ridiculous to me. This tablet has been exactly what I hoped it to be. I can actually still use my tablet while updating apps. I can open more than one webpage without immense stuttering (even complex ones), and I can switch between them without waiting an unbearably long time (thank you, 2GB of ram). I can switch between apps with very minimal delay (that is nicely covered up by a system animation). In short - I can use my tablet without it getting in the way.
I guess I can add to that the fact that the build quality on mine seems stellar, and light bleed is virtually non-existent. I love the material on the back. And I haven't had any issues with resets.
This is the tablet that I can just use without getting frustrated. I may eventually want to install a custom rom and theme it (something I have done to every device I have owned in the last 6 years). Heck, this seems like a perfect candidate for one of the "prettier" themes. But right now, I'm just enjoying using it.
Most things you mentioned can be fixed. Use boat browser and install flash on it manually, its really fast and flash works with no problems.
I don't like the stock Nav bar too and use Lmt instead, gives me the full 10 inch real estate and is convenient to use.
This tablet is awesome and I have used tons of tablet in the past, Plus its a nexus device and there is already tons of development in the forums in addition to the up to date android os
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Really looking for a good decently large android tablet. I like vanilla android a lot and specs seem really good for the Nexus 9. Looking at the reviews though it doesn't look so great (bad volume and power buttons, light leaks in the screen, lagging applications, etc.). For those of you that own it what do you think, would you recommend it?
I love my Nexus 9 and would strongly recommend it. I've had zero issues with it.
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I love my Nexus 9 and would strongly recommend it. I've had zero issues with it.
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I love it too! Just got it yesterday and have zero issues. Love how fast it is. Total bliss.
primary question, what will you primarily use it for, media, web, reading, gaming (high end or low end) .
I personally use mine as a jack of all trades with very little gaming. ( my wife on the other hand would need the nvidia shield for her gaming obsession )
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love my nexus 9
I've had almost every tablet out there. I have a habit of buying them as they are released and I have to say that this one is my favorite. The combo of lollipop and the tablet makes it feel like it's completely unique. Fast as hell, beautiful and it feels good as an ereader / comic reader without being too big.
Love this tablet.
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No.
di11igaf said:
No.
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Why?
USBhost said:
Why?
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For ME, I don't want to be aggravated or pissed when using a tablet, which is exactly what the nexus 9 does. I've owned about every nexus device ever made, and this one is the worst (and best) user experience all in one. Mainly-
1) screen flicker. Every day. Always comes back after a reboot.
2) lag. I've had single core devices lag less than this thing. Literally. I know why its its lagging, and right now its unfixable.
3) after using a nexus 6 today, I am absolutely 100% convinced the n9 should have had 3 gigs of ram. This is the worst as this is something that wont be fixed until the NEXT nexus tablet comes out. The nexus 6 in a 24 hour period didn't hit low or critical ram states at all. Not one second. The 9 lives in these states. I had 5 chrome tabs open on the n6, while switching back and forth between all kinds of **** including games, and a page NEVER refreshed. It was wonderful, and made me realize the main thing I use the n9 for completely SUCKS compared to a phone. If anything, a tablet should be better at these things, not worse.
4) screen flicker
5 lag.
TheAppleAndroidGuy said:
Really looking for a good decently large android tablet. I like vanilla android a lot and specs seem really good for the Nexus 9. Looking at the reviews though it doesn't look so great (bad volume and power buttons, light leaks in the screen, lagging applications, etc.). For those of you that own it what do you think, would you recommend it?
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I do recommend it but wait another month so you'd have a better chance of getting the newer revision which seem to have less issues with the buttons and lightbleed.
di11igaf said:
For ME, I don't want to be aggravated or pissed when using a tablet, which is exactly what the nexus 9 does. I've owned about every nexus device ever made, and this one is the worst (and best) user experience all in one. Mainly-
1) screen flicker. Every day. Always comes back after a reboot.
2) lag. I've had single core devices lag less than this thing. Literally. I know why its its lagging, and right now its unfixable.
3) after using a nexus 6 today, I am absolutely 100% convinced the n9 should have had 3 gigs of ram. This is the worst as this is something that wont be fixed until the NEXT nexus tablet comes out. The nexus 6 in a 24 hour period didn't hit low or critical ram states at all. Not one second. The 9 lives in these states. I had 5 chrome tabs open on the n6, while switching back and forth between all kinds of **** including games, and a page NEVER refreshed. It was wonderful, and made me realize the main thing I use the n9 for completely SUCKS compared to a phone. If anything, a tablet should be better at these things, not worse.
4) screen flicker
5 lag.
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What do you do to get lag??
I get no lag here
I bet you will say because it only has 2g of ram
Thats why it lags
I say no thats not it
Like you said you multi task a lot
And thats has to be the only way to get lag.
True 2g of ram is small
And true it should have had 3 or even 4g of ram
I agree on you on that
i even have some screen flicker too but it is rare
Even on 1 brightness
But you say that you get lag on everything
Man i just cant believe it i cant
USBhost said:
What do you do to get lag??
I get no lag here
I bet you will say because it only has 2g of ram
Thats why it lags
I say no thats not it
Like you said you multi task a lot
And thats has to be the only way to get lag.
True 2g of ram is small
And true it should have had 3 or even 4g of ram
I agree on you on that
i even have some screen flicker too but it is rare
Even on 1 brightness
But you say that you get lag on everything
Man i just cant believe it i cant
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I don't get lag on everything. That's not what I'm saying, and which is why I also say its the best and worst experience on a tablet.
I don't really multitask a lot, no more than average I'd say. I literally use this tablet for a few things, web browsing, youtube, very light gaming. My multitasking involves switching between youtube and chrome, and rarely a light game.
What I am saying though is it does lag MORE than most devices I have. After a fresh reboot, even in safe mode so there is 0 third party apps running after a while this tablet gets hit with serious bouts of massive lag and stutter. I've always heard about android lag, blah blah, and always basically thought people were full of **** or being too picky because really I've never had a device that lagged or whatever. Ya an occasional hiccup with previous devices, but rarely and never too bad. Not with the 9. Its consistent after a few hours use..
Maybe since you are actively developing, you're rebooting often. When I was compiling kernels and aosp builds, I flashed multiple times a day, which I'm assuming you may be as well as fast as you're kernel is being updated. Chances are if you don't have these bouts of lag, that's why. Like you said you can't believe my device lags a lot, I can't believe the opposite. If after a few hours my tablet is starting to lag while in safe mode, I find it VERY hard to believe most people aren't seeing ANY lag. Maybe what I'm considering lag you aren't. I'm calling lag ui choppiness/stutters/unresponsive for multiple seconds after pressing something.
I know lag is not hardware- Denver seems to be beastly. Software?- parts maybe, but lollipop does not have these 'lag' periods on my nexus 4, nexus 5, or either of my two nexus 7 2013's. I personally don't think its a coincidence that my nexus 9 is the only one that spends its time in low and critical memory, and its the only one to lag. Add to that it ONLY seems to lag bad while in these states. With all this said, what else is causing lag? Especially when it happens in safe mode- so third party apps are out of the question they are not the main cause. Something causes this lag, maybe its not lack of ram, but it sure seems that way so far- if memory leaks were fixed , maybe this will become a non issue. System ui and android system shouldn't be consuming 300mb a piece, which is what they will swell to after a few days.
On top of this, there is a reason google is using zram on this device and no other nexus, and its not because they're are testing it out or whatever else I've heard. They knew 2 gigs probably wasn't quite enough. Why else would they do this?
I just took this screen shot- this is actually better than usual. I'm curious if you don't have lag what this screen looks like for you, set to 24 hour period?
di11igaf said:
I don't get lag on everything. That's not what I'm saying, and which is why I also say its the best and worst experience on a tablet.
I don't really multitask a lot, no more than average I'd say. I literally use this tablet for a few things, web browsing, youtube, very light gaming. My multitasking involves switching between youtube and chrome, and rarely a light game.
What I am saying though is it does lag MORE than most devices I have. After a fresh reboot, even in safe mode so there is 0 third party apps running after a while this tablet gets hit with serious bouts of massive lag and stutter. I've always heard about android lag, blah blah, and always basically thought people were full of **** or being too picky because really I've never had a device that lagged or whatever. Ya an occasional hiccup with previous devices, but rarely and never too bad. Not with the 9. Its consistent after a few hours use..
Maybe since you are actively developing, you're rebooting often. When I was compiling kernels and aosp builds, I flashed multiple times a day, which I'm assuming you may be as well as fast as you're kernel is being updated. Chances are if you don't have these bouts of lag, that's why. Like you said you can't believe my device lags a lot, I can't believe the opposite. If after a few hours my tablet is starting to lag while in safe mode, I find it VERY hard to believe most people aren't seeing ANY lag. Maybe what I'm considering lag you aren't. I'm calling lag ui choppiness/stutters/unresponsive for multiple seconds after pressing something.
I know lag is not hardware- Denver seems to be beastly. Software?- parts maybe, but lollipop does not have these 'lag' periods on my nexus 4, nexus 5, or either of my two nexus 7 2013's. I personally don't think its a coincidence that my nexus 9 is the only one that spends its time in low and critical memory, and its the only one to lag. Add to that it ONLY seems to lag bad while in these states. With all this said, what else is causing lag? Especially when it happens in safe mode- so third party apps are out of the question they are not the main cause. Something causes this lag, maybe its not lack of ram, but it sure seems that way so far- if memory leaks were fixed , maybe this will become a non issue. System ui and android system shouldn't be consuming 300mb a piece, which is what they will swell to after a few days.
On top of this, there is a reason google is using zram on this device and no other nexus, and its not because they're are testing it out or whatever else I've heard. They knew 2 gigs probably wasn't quite enough. Why else would they do this?
I just took this screen shot- this is actually better than usual. I'm curious if you don't have lag what this screen looks like for you, set to 24 hour period?
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O ok ty for verifying
Also how do you get to that screen
Edit: found it
di11igaf said:
I don't get lag on everything. That's not what I'm saying, and which is why I also say its the best and worst experience on a tablet.
I don't really multitask a lot, no more than average I'd say. I literally use this tablet for a few things, web browsing, youtube, very light gaming. My multitasking involves switching between youtube and chrome, and rarely a light game.
What I am saying though is it does lag MORE than most devices I have. After a fresh reboot, even in safe mode so there is 0 third party apps running after a while this tablet gets hit with serious bouts of massive lag and stutter. I've always heard about android lag, blah blah, and always basically thought people were full of **** or being too picky because really I've never had a device that lagged or whatever. Ya an occasional hiccup with previous devices, but rarely and never too bad. Not with the 9. Its consistent after a few hours use..
Maybe since you are actively developing, you're rebooting often. When I was compiling kernels and aosp builds, I flashed multiple times a day, which I'm assuming you may be as well as fast as you're kernel is being updated. Chances are if you don't have these bouts of lag, that's why. Like you said you can't believe my device lags a lot, I can't believe the opposite. If after a few hours my tablet is starting to lag while in safe mode, I find it VERY hard to believe most people aren't seeing ANY lag. Maybe what I'm considering lag you aren't. I'm calling lag ui choppiness/stutters/unresponsive for multiple seconds after pressing something.
I know lag is not hardware- Denver seems to be beastly. Software?- parts maybe, but lollipop does not have these 'lag' periods on my nexus 4, nexus 5, or either of my two nexus 7 2013's. I personally don't think its a coincidence that my nexus 9 is the only one that spends its time in low and critical memory, and its the only one to lag. Add to that it ONLY seems to lag bad while in these states. With all this said, what else is causing lag? Especially when it happens in safe mode- so third party apps are out of the question they are not the main cause. Something causes this lag, maybe its not lack of ram, but it sure seems that way so far- if memory leaks were fixed , maybe this will become a non issue. System ui and android system shouldn't be consuming 300mb a piece, which is what they will swell to after a few days.
On top of this, there is a reason google is using zram on this device and no other nexus, and its not because they're are testing it out or whatever else I've heard. They knew 2 gigs probably wasn't quite enough. Why else would they do this?
I just took this screen shot- this is actually better than usual. I'm curious if you don't have lag what this screen looks like for you, set to 24 hour period?
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Do you think this is fixable at all in updates, if so, why/how?
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Do you think this is fixable at all in updates, if so, why/how?
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I hope so. I do like everything about it, besides said issues. Form factor, performance is good and smooth as butter a lot of the time, but when its bad its really bad IMO. It seems like there are big memory leaks with lollipop in general, and they seem to be worse on the nexus 9. Hopefully if they are fixed it will help with my(and other people's) issues.
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If you must have a pure android experience. Then it's a no Brainer. This is the tablet for you. And it's future proof.. meaning that the 64 bit processor is going to kick the **** out of the competition (once app developers take advantage of it ).
The galaxy tab series is also really good. But unfortunately. it has touchwiz. but that can be corrected with a custom ROM.
So far I'm pleased with my nexus 9.
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Hello
I'm thinking of getting the Nexus 9 as well. Plus, it's going to be my first tablet ever. Because of the prices I can only afford the 16GB model (white). Do you think this will be enough space? I know after the first use of the tablet there are only ~ 9GB left, but I think of only using it for creating and editing documents, watching movies (not that much), surfing, ... just basic stuff.
To "upgrade" the storage I read that the Nexus 9 is supporting USB OTG so in case I run out of space, I can simply plug in a stick for additional space, can't I?
Is there anything I have to look for before purchasing? I'll try out the tablet in a local electronic store, I'm aware of light bleeding and the problems of the back of the tablet. But is there anything more?
It would be nice if you can tell me something about your experiences!
Thanks in advance
.vermilion said:
Hello
I'm thinking of getting the Nexus 9 as well. Plus, it's going to be my first tablet ever. Because of the prices I can only afford the 16GB model (white). Do you think this will be enough space? I know after the first use of the tablet there are only ~ 9GB left, but I think of only using it for creating and editing documents, watching movies (not that much), surfing, ... just basic stuff.
To "upgrade" the storage I read that the Nexus 9 is supporting USB OTG so in case I run out of space, I can simply plug in a stick for additional space, can't I?
Is there anything I have to look for before purchasing? I'll try out the tablet in a local electronic store, I'm aware of light bleeding and the problems of the back of the tablet. But is there anything more?
It would be nice if you can tell me something about your experiences!
Thanks in advance
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It will have 11.5 free for the 16gb one
Otg is fine and awesome
USBhost said:
It will have 11.5 free for the 16gb one
Otg is fine and awesome
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That sounds great so far!
I read that there are 11,5GB free but only ~ 9GB "for use". Can you confirm that? But anyways, I'm not going to use it for huge amounts of music and pictures so I guess (and hope, haha ) that it'll be enough space available.