Been thinking of getting a tablet so went into Currys today to have a look. love the screen on the GTab but found it was very laggy swipping through home screens? compared it to the Xoom next to it and that was smooth as silk?
I even reset the GTab to see if that would help but no change and if i put a live wallpaper on it got even worse? i tried all 3 they had on display and all the same, i did notice though they all had touchwiz installed?
I really like the GTab but was put off by this experience, can someone tell me if this is normal?
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Been thinking of getting a tablet so went into Currys today to have a look. love the screen on the GTab but found it was very laggy swipping through home screens? compared it to the Xoom next to it and that was smooth as silk?
I even reset the GTab to see if that would help but no change and if i put a live wallpaper on it got even worse? i tried all 3 they had on display and all the same, i did notice though they all had touchwiz installed?
I really like the GTab but was put off by this experience, can someone tell me if this is normal?
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Looking at Touchwiz update reviews on Youtube, it seems extremely laggy compared to my Xoom. Strangely all say it's really smooth after the Touchwiz update. I don't know, either they have never used a Xoom (Android 3.2) or I'm just seeing things.
But i couldn't resist and ordered the GT10.1 anyway, i guess i will find out soon enough...
I've had both the Xoom and the Tab.
Probably less than .0001% of my time is spent swipping through screens. A HUGE percentage of my time is spent holding the tablet. The reason I took the XOOM back is because my left hand ached (I'm right handed) at the end of the day holding the Xoom. It's heavy, deceptively heavy.
At the end of the day my left hand doesn't ache with the Tab.
Simple rule of thumb: Determine what you will do with the device most of your day and evaluate how it performs on that. Don't use fluff as a decision criteria.
With the latest update (TouchWiz) I have 0 lag. They need to get those display models updated to give potential buyers a REAL look at the current speed. I love my tab!!
Don't forget that, in a lot of videos, there are a bunch of widgets on every homescreen. That slows things down a lot. Moreover, with something like apps organizer, you really only need one homescreen. Lastly, the touchwiz update does help a lot - especially if you do the + button then go to the more tab thing.
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With the OTA excess widgets removed, and non-live wallpapers in-use seems pretty smooth for me.
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I was hoping that this is why it seems to be lagging so much.
I dont know about the xoom but having recently shifted from the asus transformer, i can tell you that the samsung tab lags in comparison. No offense intended but I personally find that even the stock rom i had with asus performed better than the finest custom roms over here ( even with fresh install with no apps installed). This is because both the xoom and tf are using very light and stock roms while samsung added a lot of bloatware with the touchwiz. Also i tend to believe the white theme adopted in touchwizz literally slows down the whole experience.
HOWEVER, inspite of tht, i do believe that the samsung tab is a premium quality device and outweighs the other tabs because of its weight and size.
Xoom: fast but very heavy
TF: fast but a bit heavy and too wide for a tablet. ( you cannot even type at ease using swift key)
Bear in mind that this is something that you ll be holding your hand for hours maybe.... So in the end size and weight might matter more than speed depending what you intend to do with it
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thanks for the replies they all help, was just a little put off by the fact that 3 demo machines were really laggy and stuttery.
TabGuy your right, i would hardly ever swipe between screens in normal use but its just the fact that that before you buy something you try it out and if something doesnt seem to be how you expect a premium device to work then that puts dought in your mind.
Its alot of money for me (as i am sure it is for others too) to be spending out on a device and i just want to make sure i get the right tab
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thanks for the replies they all help, was just a little put off by the fact that 3 demo machines were really laggy and stuttery.
TabGuy your right, i would hardly ever swipe between screens in normal use but its just the fact that that before you buy something you try it out and if something doesnt seem to be how you expect a premium device to work then that puts dought in your mind.
Its alot of money for me (as i am sure it is for others too) to be spending out on a device and i just want to make sure i get the right tab
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My tf died yesterday but i popped into currys tiday and got a white one having used the tf from day one i can say i much prefer the tab and havent noticed any lag at all yet. I had the tf on prime rom and oc kernel and it was great also but the tab for me wins out however as not to be flamed the tf is also a good unit esp if u want the dock sdcard etc
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think im gonna go for it, was going for the Xoom as currys have reduced the price to under £400 if you buy online but the GTab was calling my name lol.
wanted the SD card option really but have read about the new Seagate Go Flex satalite HDD which will solve all storage space problems which opens the door to the GTab
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What do you think between the Xoom and the Flyer?
One thing that is actually putting me off the Flyer is the 7" instead of 10"
I am thinking I want a wifi only one for home use - but for home use only I'd want something a little bigger than an oversized phone... any thoughts?
http://www.digitalversus.com/four-tablets-compared-ipad-galaxy-tab-10-1-flyer-xoom-news-18059.html
Since you'll be using it primarily at home, and you didn't mention the need for stylus input, I'd say the XOOM is probably a better choice for you.
Personally, however, I'd get the Flyer for its portability and inking capability.
I don't really have a need for a stylus - I think it's a brilliant addition - and if I had kids (also ones that could be trusted on a tablet ) I think it would be good so they could draw pics and stuff without any mess
Is there any mention of a keyboard add-on for the Flyer (wireless) I think I saw one for Xoom which'd be more of an interest for me as I'd be thinking of replacing my primary laptop with a tablet for most day-to-day stuff if it works well
Of course ultimately it all depends on the price of a wifi-only edition!
I think you summed up the screen size issue pretty well:
- 10" is home use. I have an iPad and it works really well for that. It is really something you can use all around the house with ease and enable you to check the internet in a nice chair, on the coach, etc. But I would not take the iPad in public transport - on a plane yes - and it is not a laptop replacement as some tend to pretend it is - maybe in 3-4 years when it'll be powerful enough and the resolution decent (but then again a mouse OS is much better for working)...
- 7" is for on the go. You can slide the 7" in a pocket, it's lighter, easier to hold in one hand and is a much better size to do things than a smartphone. It's perfect to watch a video, surf the web without having to pinch and zoom all the time, read a book, etc.
I have an iPad, so I don't need the Xoom; I'm more interested by the Flyer because I can take it around with me.
I like the stylus idea if it works. I've seen many videos, but all they show is someone scribbling large ribbons of colour on screen. If you can't write with the stylus; take notes, do some sketches, it is a useless addition. I can't see a lot of potential for a stylus though, especially for 10"; someone sends you a document, you're in a cab, you scribble some notes for feedback and you send it back. Way better than trying to do that over the phone...
Last thing for me is Honeycomb. The Flyer has to be upgraded to Honeycomb - thanks for XDA - as it is very likely that none of the apps produced for Honeycomb will be tablet specific: it would be a shame to have a tablet and not be able to access specific apps developped for that format...
10 inch is great for home use but a pain for everything else. I bought a Galaxy tab to take with me when I leave the house and my ipad stays at home. I got really tired of carrying around the ipad.
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I thought HTC already said that the Flyer will get an official update to Honeycomb at some point?
The XOOm is you want primary home use. The specs are also far superior, dual core etc. But if i were you, i'd choose Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 over the XOOM. some reviews havemt said the XOOm isnt amzing... Also motorola have a bad phone reputation.
If by specs you mean CPU then yes however the Xoom is kinda like a truck with a highly tuned formula one engine. Plenty of power but its all lost in the drivetrain.
In other words, processing power is useless if you have nothing to take advantage of it. I have kicked around with various kernels and hacks on many devices and got some amazing Quadrant benchmark results but in the end, its just for self satisfaction. In normal use it makes little difference.
IMO some of the killer features of the Flyer are:
- Pocketable size
- Guaranteed dev community support
- Timescribe (especially the "pickup where you left off" calendar feature for recurring appointments
- Its a HTC
Lets face it. HTC are still terrible at marketing. The things that make senseUI and their devices great are all of the little things which make using them a great overall experience. You'll never get buyers remorse buying HTC because you always get more than was advertised.
How can you even compare the Xoom and Flyer? To me you might as well be comparing a pda and an XPS laptop. I think they are 2 different classes of device. Pprtability vs multimedia/home use.
I refuse to choose. The way i see it, i would normally spend $1200 on Descent laptop. Why not buy a Flyer and Xoom (or Asus Transformer) for about $1400?
Basically. ... I want BOTH!!!!!
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Right! I'd like to know if you can write while you have your hand resting on the screen. That goes for the XOOM, too. I want something close to "natural", and when I write, I have my hand and all sorts of fingers dragging around on the sheet.
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Right! I'd like to know if you can write while you have your hand resting on the screen. That goes for the XOOM, too. I want something close to "natural", and when I write, I have my hand and all sorts of fingers dragging around on the sheet.
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It does have the ability to detect your hand vs the stylus. From what has been published so far,it looks like it works extremely well. Will have to wait till I get my hands on one ( ) to see if it is really as good as it looks.
It is quite expensive to buy tab so if I decide to buy it I would like to get the best there is for my money.
So please share your experience, are you happy about it? Are there any major problems or bugs which you experienced? Is stock ROM good? Is it worth rooting? Basically whatever you think it's worth mentioning before I buy it.
and also is it possible to plug USB keyboard?
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Yes
I have had it for a week now and yes, I would say it was worth it. My only disappointment was that it does not have 2G / 3G voice capabilities. So I still have to carry a regular cell phone. But I have used the data side with Skype and it works great. I am hoping someone on XDA will hack the dialler functionality soon!
Value is a personal thing, very subjective.
The fact that you're asking about plugging in a keyboard indicates the desire to use the tablet for more than content consumption (videos, music, simple web browsing, reading). Not sure if this would be your first tablet but if you're looking to do any type of serious work on one tread carefully.
I got my Verizon LTE version fully understanding that I'd use it purely as a content consumption device. As such I'm VERY satisfied with it. I have no expectations to do any work related stuff on it other than read and respond to emails as the kind of work I do can't be done on a tablet anyhow.
Things I like to do with it include web browsing, watching downloaded TV shows (EZTV.it downloads), watching my bluray rips (be warned, tegra 2 chipset has specific limitations on codec/encoding settings so don't expect all types of 1080p encodes to work) reading news, browsing youtube and listening to streaming music.
My tablet came with Honeycomb 3.1 and that was LAGGY out of the box. Changing to ADW Launcher EX helped a lot but going to the leaked 3.2 ROM and putting on a different kernel is what helped the most so to answer your question - hated stock, rooted . . love being on non-stock rom and kernels.
Thank you guys. Reason why I'm asking is that my laptop died yesterday and I need mobility of a laptop around the house but I don't like them, they are often poorly build, battery is not doing well and it is expensive to change and many more reasons. So I think it's time to end that nonsense and buy desktop PC for all kind of work and tablet for entertainment, Web surfing, Ebay communication. However I do like to write long emails and I'm not a fun of touchable keyboard, that is why I'm asking is it possible to plug regular one.
I never had tablet before, but I have now two Android devices and I am aware about some limitations, that is why I will by desktop PC as well. Waiting for more opinions. Thanks.
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played with it 30 min at shop today, wasn't impressed, seem like a good device but it did not dropped my jaw with performance so I decided to w8 few months and I will try to get cheaper from Ebay, bought desktop PC today anyway
Biggest reason why I decided not to buy it is that stock ROM did not impressed me so I will w8 for cheaper opportunity and root it and get custom ROM
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if you have patience to wait for transformer prime, don't go for this tab.
Two suggestions:
1) don't judge a tablet just by its specs and performance (it's like a car: just because it has a great engine doesn't mean it's fast, and certainly doesn't mean the seats are comfortable....). A light and easy to hold tablet is worth way more than a fast tablet with many ports and sharp edges (take my word, I tried 6 tablets before I found the GT10.1.). (Just to be clear, the GT10.1 is and will be the fastest tablet you can get until the Transformer Prime is launched).
2) don't judge a tablet by the stock ROM performance. If you know enough to find XDA, you should know that stock ROM and custom ROM are night and day... Keep this in mind for new tablets (it will be a few months before the Transformer Prime ROMs mature).
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Thank you guys. Reason why I'm asking is that my laptop died yesterday and I need mobility of a laptop around the house but I don't like them, they are often poorly build, battery is not doing well and it is expensive to change and many more reasons. So I think it's time to end that nonsense and buy desktop PC for all kind of work and tablet for entertainment, Web surfing, Ebay communication. However I do like to write long emails and I'm not a fun of touchable keyboard, that is why I'm asking is it possible to plug regular one.
I never had tablet before, but I have now two Android devices and I am aware about some limitations, that is why I will by desktop PC as well. Waiting for more opinions. Thanks.
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I own all three device types; four if you count my phone and my experience is this: my Tab used to be my wife's tab. Until she broke the screen, but she gave it to me because using it gave her RSI in her shoulder... the kind you need a fysiotherapist to look at and massage out. Holding it in front of you (lifting it) for extended periods time isn't recommended; you need to rest it on your lap or desk once in a while.
My experience with the tablet so far is that it's good for checking your email, your facebook/twitter/g+, browsing and the occasional game (Apparatus is really good on the Tab). However, if you're going to do more typing than 5 or 6 lines (long emails), you're better of with something that has a keyboard, like your desktop. Not only is it faster, it is way more comfortable. I wouldn't use my Tab to post this.
If you're planning on plugging a keyboard into a tablet, in other words: trying to make a tablet into a laptop, in my book you are doing it wrong and you would've been much better off buying a simple laptop. IMHO a tablet is not a laptop replacement. However, I do think it is possible using an OTG usb plug to use a keyboard with the Tab if you really want to; most likely you will need to run a custom 3.2 ROM. A mate of mine with a Transformer had loads of problems with the external keyboard on 3.1.
So what does it add to my desktop/laptop/phone I already have you may ask? Well, I'm gonna try and see if it works as an electronic notepad. My desk is littered with sheets of A5 paper filled with scribbles of meetings and ideas. I've ordered a Dagi P507 stylus (should be accurate with a capacitive screen) and I hope that it will work reasonably well in combination with handwriting recognition.
Also it just looks sexy on the coffee table.
So it's great for occasional use (look up imdb during a movie), but it's just not very good at "normal" productivity. IMHO it's a nice-to-have: I would not buy one if I didn't already have a laptop and a desktop.
If you use a custom Rom and one of the nice kernels this tablet performes well. There are some Keyboards availablefor example
amazon.com/GSAstore-Bluetooth-Keyboard-Designed-Samasung/dp/B005MEHB1K
Thanks for all the opinions guys, I will anyway w8 till price goes down, I am kind of sceptical about rooting and losing warranty on device worth 400 pounds. I already felt worried about this with my HTC sensation which was much cheaper. If the price will drop to about 300 our if I can get it fairly cheap second hand then I will buy it so I guess I will w8 with it.
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This is a normal usage test I was doing on both the tablets I got for early xmas gifts
Since I don't need two, I was trying to decide which one to keep.
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Transformer Prime is running on normal mode, full brightness (super ips mode off).
Both tablets are running the same version of GO Launcher EX and the same live wallpaper.
The Prime shipped with non-working GPS, a piece of dust inside the screen right above the docking port. It also has screen bleed that is very noticeable during boot screen and is some-what noticeable during normal use (its right above dock port on the status bar.).
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HP Touchpad is running full brightness.
The Touchpad has very minor screen bleed which is barley noticeable during boot screen and not noticeable at all during use.
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I recorded my experience on video.
http://youtu.be/-DGnI4Lx91M
Good show. Looks like $99 was a better deal so far... I'm sure once seven get their hands on the prime, she will sing. But HP isn't doing too bad for non native android running on it...
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think long term potential on the prime v. the touchpad especially when ICS and custom roms come out for the Prime..the Beast will be unleashed (quadcore to its full potential)
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Good luck finding a touchpad for 99 dollars :/
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Good luck finding a touchpad for 99 dollars :/
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That's the thing, the price comparison is rather disingenuous. If you managed to get one for that, it was an amazing deal and it'll be a long time before anything will beat it on value. But you can't go out to a store now and buy one, and that was never the intended price - a deal like that isn't likely to be coming around again any time soon.
It looks pretty competitive with the Prime on those tasks you showed, although there has to be some advantage running CM7 compared to the Prime's almost brand-new Honeycomb firmware; we'll have to see how the Prime develops with ICS and, hopefully, custom ROMs, as it surely has more power under the hood if it can bring that to bear.
Specific issues aside, I think a lot of the disappointment around this tablet is coming from those who already have a decent dual-core tablet (especially if it was bought at an unbelievably good price..!) and were expecting the Prime to be dramatically faster out of the box. It remains to be seen whether quad-core tablets will "age" slower than dual-core ones, as I've experienced on the desktop, but I consider the quad-core an investment in the future more than anything else. Quad-core SoCs will surely start to take over at the high-end in time, and then more optimisations will be made for them when they do. I wouldn't upgrade from this year's dual-cores to Tegra 3, though - those devices are still decent, and if you already have a good tablet it makes more sense to hang on to that at the moment and see what comes around next year.
Apples to Oranges. You're comparing an overclocked custom kernel, on a custom ROM (CM7...that is unmatched in speed by any and all stock ROMs out there), on a tablet bought at fire-sale prices...to the Prime purchased at full retail price, running a stock kernel/ROM, running an aftermarket launcher that's slower than pond water on the Prime (stock HC is light-years faster) and say the Prime doesn't measure up.
There is a serious issues of validity in your "experiment".
Edit: please don't try to take this as me blindingly defending the Prime. I'm just trying to keep invalid misinformation to be taken as "word of god" as it often happens on the internet.
seriously man, at this point im getting really sick of you, every thread you go in all you talk about is your damn touchpad and how crappy the prime is, if thats the case fine, sell the prime and keep your touchpad...but leave these forums and go troll in the touchpad one
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seriously man, at this point im getting really sick of you, every thread you go in all you talk about is your damn touchpad and how crappy the prime is, if thats the case fine, sell the prime and keep your touchpad...but leave these forums and go troll in the touchpad one
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Totally agree.
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i was not impressed with the primes hardware, software or screen. IMO my HP Touchpad runs better, good roms and screen colors are better.
selling it. dont become negative this is just my conclusion after testing each side by side. the primes price makes it not worth it to me considering the HP Touchpad does everything I would use the prime for but better and it was $300 cheaper.
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Just sell it and go to the Touchpad forums?
Look, I've got issues with my prime too. But we all know this comparison is a little bit sneaky. It's like taking an underpowered econo car that the dealership is trying to get rid of and throwing twin turbos on it - yup, it'll probably beat some high-powered coupes off the show room floor, and most of us might be happy with that. But deep down inside you know it's a pretty stupid comparison.
Just give the prime some time.
lol at this!
come on this is a blatant touchpad fan boy post.
having a CM7 custom ROM vs stock first revision of ROM on a tablet that's been out since last week.
lmao, so many people get butt hurt over it... (calm down, its just a side by side comparison of the two devices I have)
The bottom line is that the prime has 5 cores, the touchpad has 2 cores but according to setcpu its only using 1 of its cores.
And also the prime seems to be shipping with many nasty defects (for $499 you wouldn't expect that) where the touchpad didnt have any (except for a tiny amount of light bleed).
I decided to keep both devices. Touchpad for development and the prime for gaming (although right now it cannot play too many games, but im sure it will change in the future.).
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And also the prime seems to be shipping with many nasty defects (for $499 you wouldn't expect that) where the touchpad didnt have any (except for a tiny amount of light bleed).
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How do you know the Touchpad had very little issues? you bought it at $99, way late in the game. Ask the people who paid $499 for the 32GB when it first came out. Most of the original issues have been resolved over time. Search the web and see, the touchpad had many issues in its infancy. The Prime is in it's infancy but will grow up to be a great BIG BOY!
My Touchpad has many issues in both webOS and CM7.. CM7 alpha 3.5 was working fine but now it stutters and force closes a lot.. for the webOS.. the damn thing just keeps disconnecting from the my router at random times and the only way for me to get it working again is to reboot the Touchpad.. I got it for my son to play with but he's gotten frustrated with it and steals my Transformer to play with.
There are some issues and quirks I can live with. My son can do so as well. The Touchpad has issues that gets him too frustrated though and he's usually one to tell me anything can be fixed
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lmao, so many people get butt hurt over it... (calm down, its just a side by side comparison of the two devices I have)
The bottom line is that the prime has 5 cores, the touchpad has 2 cores but according to setcpu its only using 1 of its cores.
And also the prime seems to be shipping with many nasty defects (for $499 you wouldn't expect that) where the touchpad didnt have any (except for a tiny amount of light bleed).
I decided to keep both devices. Touchpad for development and the prime for gaming (although right now it cannot play too many games, but im sure it will change in the future.).
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Congratualtions, you successfully gimped the prime with go launcher.
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@OP how come my stock browser on prime is running fluid with just a settings mod and your touchcrap needs CM 7 with overclocked processor to achieve the same.
people are not but hurt you infantile.
your showing a highly custom ROM well into the devices launch when they had time to work on it verses a brand new tablet which has had zero time for devs to work on it.
Just sell your TP and then go with your touchpad....It's that plain and simple! Have a nice day and please stay out of the TP section
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Apples to Oranges. You're comparing an overclocked custom kernel, on a custom ROM (CM7...that is unmatched in speed by any and all stock ROMs out there), on a tablet bought at fire-sale prices...to the Prime purchased at full retail price, running a stock kernel/ROM, running an aftermarket launcher that's slower than pond water on the Prime (stock HC is light-years faster) and say the Prime doesn't measure up.
There is a serious issues of validity in your "experiment".
Edit: please don't try to take this as me blindingly defending the Prime. I'm just trying to keep invalid misinformation to be taken as "word of god" as it often happens on the internet.
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good points. plus I stopped watching his video after the opera mobile comparison. I counted down how long it took for each to first show something on page and then finish completely loading the page. his touchpad clearly showed it was the loser in that comparison. took almost double the time of prime to fully load that web page on his touchpad. prime was also faster on showing something from page on screen first. same with his Netflix comparison. I loved how he gave his touchpad a few seconds to load and start scrolling vs. the prime which he started scrolling immediately..lol. touchpad failed in that comparison also. even with him giving the touchpad a lil more time to load, prime still showed more on screen first and loaded movies up faster. the touchpad had a bunch of gray squares when first loaded and took longer to fully load all the movies on-screen. as far as his UI scrolling goes, looks to me that prime performed just fine. there where even instances on his touchoad where his taps or scrolls didn't immediately register and looked laggy. touchpad for 99 is a great deal, hands down. but its in no way competition to the prime, on any front.
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Prime touchpad blah blah blah... As far I can use the touchpad for all my task I want from a tablet and smooth. Who care about 5 core. I bet the ipad is best, because of the more than 10 cores lol.
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How do you know the Touchpad had very little issues? you bought it at $99, way late in the game. Ask the people who paid $499 for the 32GB when it first came out. Most of the original issues have been resolved over time. Search the web and see, the touchpad had many issues in its infancy. The Prime is in it's infancy but will grow up to be a great BIG BOY!
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Congratualtions, you successfully gimped the prime with go launcher.
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@OP how come my stock browser on prime is running fluid with just a settings mod and your touchcrap needs CM 7 with overclocked processor to achieve the same.
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people are not but hurt you infantile.
your showing a highly custom ROM well into the devices launch when they had time to work on it verses a brand new tablet which has had zero time for devs to work on it.
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Just sell your TP and then go with your touchpad....It's that plain and simple! Have a nice day and please stay out of the TP section
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all this is too funny. I will admit for only 99 that touchoad is a good device, it looks like. the comparisons to Prime though falls very short for several reasons.
Curious what your opinion is on changing a 11in MacBook Air for a Prime with the keyboard ?
I have a Galaxy Note 5.3 and a 10.1 Galaxy Tab, and have been a fan of galaxy series for a while so apple is not really my thing. However the browsing experience on the Macbook is amazing. I have Opera Mobile and the Go Browser on the galaxy note and i like those, however chrome on the macbook is pretty fast and does a great job. Plus the nice screen and comfortable keyboard, this makes it for a nice browsing device.
To enlighten the topic, i'll mention that i have already placed an order today for the Prime and should get it by the end of this week. Just wanted to get a feeling on the anticipation and hear your input on my question.
I have the dock and the prime and i love it the battery life is great experice is an all round great device i use it for notes videos i just got shadowgun for it but the only thing that my laptop can do is play games alot better and thats about it i think your gonna enjoy it. im not an apple person myself either
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Curious what your opinion is on changing a 11in MacBook Air for a Prime with the keyboard ?
I have a Galaxy Note 5.3 and a 10.1 Galaxy Tab, and have been a fan of galaxy series for a while so apple is not really my thing. However the browsing experience on the Macbook is amazing. I have Opera Mobile and the Go Browser on the galaxy note and i like those, however chrome on the macbook is pretty fast and does a great job. Plus the nice screen and comfortable keyboard, this makes it for a nice browsing device.
To enlighten the topic, i'll mention that i have already placed an order today for the Prime and should get it by the end of this week. Just wanted to get a feeling on the anticipation and hear your input on my question.
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Alright, first of all, you're going to hear a TON of *****ing on here about the Prime and plenty of people telling you not to get it. I ordered mine from HHGregg when they were $399. I got it on the 16th of January. I got my dock about a week ago. I have had one SMALL issue and that is it. I filled entire homescreen with apps and transition to and from that page was skippy. I put everything into folders and moved things around until it wasn't skippy anymore and no more issues. I have an Evo 3D and my wife has an Evo 4G so GPS is not anywhere near an important feature to me. I could care less if they completely removed it tomorrow. My wifi is on par with the Evo 3D and Evo 4G. I have very slight light leakage, which I even have on my Evo 3D. I just don't care. A brand new product will have some small issues and I totally expect some small issues here and there.
I'm not saying that these people don't have issues, I just expected them. My launch day iPhone 4, Motorola Atrix, Evo 3D and my Prime received on the 16th have all had some sort of issue. It should be expected of a BRAND NEW product. If you get one and it has an issue that you can't live with, exchange it.
I absolutely love my Prime and wouldn't trade it for anything else on the market. I use it everyday docked and not docked. I have even shown people at my work who have never even had a smartphone and they are now thinking about buying a Prime with the dock. I have been streaming Pandora, playing games and web browsing since about 9:00am and it is now 10:30pm here, my dock is at 82% battery and my Prime is at 73% battery. I love it, I don't have to charge my phone all day at work anymore because I use this now.
I even just typed all of that from my dock. It took a little while for me to get used to the finger travel and trackpad sensitivity but it doesn't bother me at all now. I'm sure if you're coming from an Air that finger travel won't be too much different.
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Really appreciate your input. I don't care that much about GPS and WiFi is always within 1ft. I expect issues with it, but i also anticipate ICS will give a boost by the time i discover ALL the flaws.
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Really appreciate your input. I don't care that much about GPS and WiFi is always within 1ft. I expect issues with it, but i also anticipate ICS will give a boost by the time i discover ALL the flaws.
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No problem. My wifi is always within ten feet or so, except at work and even then I don't notice any issues. ICS is nice. I like it a lot. I don't mind sense on my phone now that I have ICS on the prime. A lot of people said I wouldn't use the tablet as much because the OS is so similar to my phone but I find myself using my phone a ton less now.
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As an owner of both it, could be done but it will depend on what you use the MacBook air for. For browsing, checking the web, etc... the prime will replace the air fine. You will lose out on a lot of other features though. Polaris office is not a replacement for office for Mac, neither are any of the other office apps I have tried to date. Light editing is fine but try and do work on a moderately complex document and it shows its limits.
Audio work is also not going to be done on android either. Finally I find network access (mounting shares and such) is easier on there Mac.
On the other hand I have a number of small apps that make administration actually easier to do from the prime than the air. Opinions will vary and again a lot will depend on what you are using the Mac for.
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I use Mac OS X 10.7 and Windows 7 a lot. And we all know Android and iOS aren't that great for productivity.
What I did was downloaded Splashtop HD (the one we already have does not use the dock's trackpad correctly) and have my server running whatever OS I need (Hackintosh).
I get an awesome OS and with zero lag on my Prime but I get its portability and battery life too.
I did a lot of programming right on the Prime on Mac OS X and everything works great. I should mention that when I am at my campus, it is pretty laggy because of the slow wireless network there.
Here is my opinion-
First of all i have always been a windows owner but used plenty of macs when i was in high school.
But the the big difference is web browser as you said. On a mac/pc the web browsers work just how they should, no layout flaws and it seems a lot faster. This being said i do believe the android browsing community will start seeing a lot more tablet optimized websites, or just realizing you are using a tablet and not a phone and sending you directly to the mobile site(of course you can change the user agent).
If i had the choice, in my current situation i would ditch the macbook and get the atp. Sure the web browsing might not be right at the moment but the mouse prevents most inaccurate clicks. Also you can customize everything! This is not a knock on apple but thats just what I want-customization. The docks keyboard takes getting used to but that wasn't a big problem for me.
Not sure about apples battery life but i love my primes battery life.
My current stats are(with the dock):
Unplugged from wall:3 days 14 hours 12 mins
Prime(not charging from dock):11 hours 51 mins
Battery left: 12% dock 85% prime
I'd say this is with moderate usage brightness at in the middle. and i am rooted.
GO for the prime imo
Hope this helps
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Alright, first of all, you're going to hear a TON of *****ing on here about the Prime and plenty of people telling you not to get it. I ordered mine from HHGregg when they were $399. I got it on the 16th of January. I got my dock about a week ago. I have had one SMALL issue and that is it. I filled entire homescreen with apps and transition to and from that page was skippy. I put everything into folders and moved things around until it wasn't skippy anymore and no more issues. I have an Evo 3D and my wife has an Evo 4G so GPS is not anywhere near an important feature to me. I could care less if they completely removed it tomorrow. My wifi is on par with the Evo 3D and Evo 4G. I have very slight light leakage, which I even have on my Evo 3D. I just don't care. A brand new product will have some small issues and I totally expect some small issues here and there.
I'm not saying that these people don't have issues, I just expected them. My launch day iPhone 4, Motorola Atrix, Evo 3D and my Prime received on the 16th have all had some sort of issue. It should be expected of a BRAND NEW product. If you get one and it has an issue that you can't live with, exchange it.
I absolutely love my Prime and wouldn't trade it for anything else on the market. I use it everyday docked and not docked. I have even shown people at my work who have never even had a smartphone and they are now thinking about buying a Prime with the dock. I have been streaming Pandora, playing games and web browsing since about 9:00am and it is now 10:30pm here, my dock is at 82% battery and my Prime is at 73% battery. I love it, I don't have to charge my phone all day at work anymore because I use this now.
I even just typed all of that from my dock. It took a little while for me to get used to the finger travel and trackpad sensitivity but it doesn't bother me at all now. I'm sure if you're coming from an Air that finger travel won't be too much different.
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Aside from this fanboy post. I had about 2 primes. All had significant problems. Buyer beware
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Aside from this fanboy post. I had about 2 primes. All had significant problems. Buyer beware
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What kind of problems? I really don't understand why so many people on this forum have faulty Prime's. Mine has no issues other than a faulty GPS but I don't care. My previous TF101 had a ton of issues but it seems quality control improved for the new one.
Where did you get yours and when?
I was actually deciding between the two recently and really it comes down to what you plan to use it for.
Really sit down and figure that out and the choice will be clear. For me, I have an old laptop that I use for word processing or excel and it's generally rather light.
So all I wanted was a portable machine that browses, does email, fun gaming, high battery life and video/audio out capability. That pretty much makes the prime the winner for me.
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I got the prime, loved it. It is sleek, fast, excellent quality. However, I ended up switching to a MacBook air 13"/4/128. For ~$400 more than the prime + dock, I get almost the same portability, worse battery life (5-7 hrs), but way more usefulness.
Even general 'entertainment' stuff, like watching streaming flash is better on the air since you can switch between programs and have the stream running in the background.
The one downside is that you can't use the air in tablet mode, so reading in bed is a no-go. Air + cheap tablet (playbook etc) might be a much more useful combo than just a prime. The prime is an excellent tablet, but a less than average laptop. Just prioritize your purchases based on this.
Buying new, I'd pick the Prime, probably even at the same price point. If I already had the Mac, I'd only upgrade if the battery life or tablet capability was.
For me, the battery life versus e.g. my Eee PC 1015, was.
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I just went whole-hog from an 11" MacBook Air to the prime plus dock in preparation for beginning graduate school later this month. Thoughts:
You notice the added weight because of the smaller physical size. That's *notice* not *suffer from*.
I plan on writing and reading with it. It has any one of a number of ways to write or take notes, and the kindle and google books apps are both loaded and ready. I have yet to see how many of my textbooks I can get through those options; either way, I'm pretty well covered, I think.
The complete lack of Java (not javascript, Java itself) in a browser is a downfall. I am going to deal with this by using RDP and my work computer, which is a windows machine, because it presents a better security system from out in the field. Splashtop is not encrypted at all, which probably means it'll run faster if I connect to my Mac while I'm at home, but I wouldn't expect it to be a good solution over two VPN connections (work computer to work server, work server to prime). Other browser-related issues come up every now and then, some of which you can get around by using the native browser's "request desktop site" option, but I had to go through native, firefox, dolphinHD, and finally Opera before I found a browser that would work with my university's trouble ticket system. That's almost 100% likely to be the university's fault for implementing a bad system, but whatever... I can't change that.
I am getting used to switching apps the android way and copy/paste in ice cream sandwich. It really isn't taking very long at all. Once I exchange my dock for one that's not bent, I think I'll be really happy with the point and click interface asus has come up with. I tried the gesture mode and it wasn't very intuitive, but I didn't try it for very long. I will say the only thing I really miss about pointing and gesturing is that I got used to the gestures for forward and back and expect them to work for everything on the tablet. Most of what I did with the MBA was web-based, so using forward/back gestures made a lot of sense. Now they're gone and I'm struggling a little to remember to use the keys.
Battery life is definitely a hell of a lot better than the Air. Mine had something like 140 battery cycles on it and was down to about 4 hours max, give or take, at minimum brightness. I definitely can get two nights of internet out of just the tablet itself, but with the keyboard dock, I think a whole day of library research isn't out of the question. The one thing I don't like is the length of the charger cabling and the seemingly frail construction of the sync plug.
I was initially worried about the sound output from the prime versus what I had in the MBA, and I can tell you the volume level I get is more than enough for what I watch, especially considering you can hold the tablet a lot closer to your head. The only problem I have is that if you rest it against stuff in horizontal mode, either your blanket and sheets will muffle the speaker a little bit or the power button will be pressed every once in a while. Minor problems, really.
I'm happy so far, just under a week into owning it!
I own both..
I own both and I would never be able to trade my MBA for TP.
Do not get me wrong. First of all I exclusively use Android phones and tablets and I am fairly anti-apple, but as much as I love my transformer prime, if it was my only computing option I think I would go nuts.
MBA is better for so many technical situations but the main thing that it crushes the TP in is web-browsing, ergonomics, backlit keyboard, multi tasking - I feel like I could make the list very long if I took the time.
The transformer prime excels in that it is Android which is cool and customizable, it has great battery life when docked, it plays games better (although I wish there were more available).
Essentially I love my TP but if I could only have one, I do not think you can replace a full fledged laptop with the TP yet.
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Aside from this fanboy post. I had about 2 primes. All had significant problems. Buyer beware
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Ok, I don't know how this is a "fanboy" post but whatever. All I did was say that issues with launch devices are expected and stated my experiences but if you want to take that as a "Fanboy" post, that's cool. I consider a "fanboy" post, the ones that iPhone/iPad users post that say:
iPhone user) "My iPhone is the best phone in the world"
Android user) "Really, why do you say that?"
iPhone user) "Because it's an iPhone and has more apps plus wifis and I got the one with bigger GeeBees!"
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Ok, I don't know how this is a "fanboy" post but whatever. All I did was say that issues with launch devices are expected and stated my experiences but if you want to take that as a "Fanboy" post, that's cool. I consider a "fanboy" post, the ones that iPhone/iPad users post that say:
iPhone user) "My iPhone is the best phone in the world"
Android user) "Really, why do you say that?"
iPhone user) "Because it's an iPhone and has more apps plus wifis and I got the one with bigger GeeBees!"
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I love my prime, but I must admit I do think that it merits some of the criticism it is getting. The last update vastly improved things for me, but I was 30 seconds away from returning it and I AM an android fanboy.
I got my prime a couple of days ago as much as i love it, its going to be returned because wifi is too weak. I will buy another one in hope it will be flawless but its annoying having to return it and wait again. Gps is also non existent but that isn't important to me.
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I got my prime a couple of days ago as much as i love it, its going to be returned because wifi is too weak. I will buy another one in hope it will be flawless but its annoying having to return it and wait again. Gps is also non existent but that isn't important to me.
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That's another good point. Although I find the Wifi as acceptable since latest update, the antenna still doesn't get near the speeds my MBA does.
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Essentially I love my TP but if I could only have one, I do not think you can replace a full fledged laptop with the TP yet.
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Completely agree with the majority of posts on here.. TP isn't strong enough as a laptop replacement. But it's perfectly fine when used to complement another device.
The best productivity aspect of the TP is the battery life!
If you've got WiFi you can RDP/Splashtop/Citrix to another OS for the productivity software.
If you're without WiFi you can write notes in evernote, do some light editing, save stuff in dropbox, etc etc and have it all sync up later.
As long as you're able (and willing) to adjust your work flow to make the most of the tools at your disposal you'll be fine.
Okay picked my tablet up two days.
1. Light bleeding in the right and lest lower corners (landscape mode)
2. Lag while scrolling in apps well choppynes. apps I know work fine they don't do it on my galaxy note 2 or my galaxy s2.
3. Extreme heat and frame rate drops during games.
Could the lag issue be the cause of my tablet being on 4.2 so they aren't tuned for it? Would you guys be willing to test out apps I'm having issues with? I am rooted and have twrp installed I purchased my tablet from Walmart not sure if that matters don't know if they use inferior parts. Now would I return it keep I mean I mister have the best and when my 3 year old phone runs better on alpha there is a problem. Are there roms to make it run better? I wish it ran better than it does i mean its such a beautiful tablet. what do you guys think? should i keep it or return it and pick up an asus tf700
It depends on the apps, I don't mind testing them.
Many/all of your questions have Been addressed, so I'd suggest browsing around for more information. But I feel like testing handwriting recognition so here we go.
It depends on the ROM you install and how much of a performance gain you expect to get. I only got my tablet back today, prior to sending it in I was running AKOP with kt's kernel and it ran great, but I wouldn't discount other ROMs I simply haven't installed them yet.
It's difficult to compare the tablet to phones because it's pushing so many damn pixels, so its harder on the internals to keep up with a much smaller device with way less pixels. That said, IMHO your expectations of the Nexus 10 are going to frustrate you beyond belief with the TF700. All the build quality issues were worse in my experience, and stock performance is alright until you open a Web browser or try to download something.
The tablet is the same no matter where you buy it, they're all made by Samsung.
Throw a ROM and kernel on it and see how you feel about it. I own a Note II and I've been very happy with the Nexus 10's performance running a display like what it's got sitting on the front.
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It depends on the apps, I don't mind testing them.
Many/all of your questions have Been addressed, so I'd suggest browsing around for more information. But I feel like testing handwriting recognition so here we go.
It depends on the ROM you install and how much of a performance gain you expect to get. I only got my tablet back today, prior to sending it in I was running AKOP with kt's kernel and it ran great, but I wouldn't discount other ROMs I simply haven't installed them yet.
It's difficult to compare the tablet to phones because it's pushing so many damn pixels, so its harder on the internals to keep up with a much smaller device with way less pixels. That said, IMHO your expectations of the Nexus 10 are going to frustrate you beyond belief with the TF700. All the build quality issues were worse in my experience, and stock performance is alright until you open a Web browser or try to download something.
The tablet is the same no matter where you buy it, they're all made by Samsung.
Throw a ROM and kernel on it and see how you feel about it
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Thanks for your response i have done a little reading nothing on the laggy scrolling and for gaming its hit and miss ass is the light bleeding. So im trying to figure out if its worth keeping or just sending back, If you don't mind my asking why did you send yours in what was wrong with it? I am afraid to flash because if i don't like it then i can't return the tablet since the custom binary with have a counter. ugh. for the apps with choppy scrolling theres facebook and then residentevil.net mobile you have to search apps for it its in the play store then select dlc at the bottom. My phone scrolls just fine through that app but not the tablet with i don't know if its because my tablet is a newer version of android or what.
And your thing for the tf700 i wasn't understanding what you were saying, were you saying its worse than the nexus?
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Thanks for your response i have done a little reading nothing on the laggy scrolling and for gaming its hit and miss ass is the light bleeding. So im trying to figure out if its worth keeping or just sending back, If you don't mind my asking why did you send yours in what was wrong with it? I am afraid to flash because if i don't like it then i can't return the tablet since the custom binary with have a counter. ugh. for the apps with choppy scrolling theres facebook and then residentevil.net mobile you have to search apps for it its in the play store then select dlc at the bottom. My phone scrolls just fine through that app but not the tablet with i don't know if its because my tablet is a newer version of android or what.
And your thing for the tf700 i wasn't understanding what you were saying, were you saying its worse than the nexus?
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I sent mine back for Backlight bleed and Multi-Touch issues. More detailed information on that here.
I personally don't really use either of those apps, but i'll give it a whirl. The residentevil app could be a variety of issues, app related. Facebook on the other hand hasn't had a real great track record of making the fastest app, so it might be working well on your phone because it's just pushing it though. However thats all speculation, and not really a valid "answer". I'll be happy to test them out though.
The TF700 is something I could rant about for a long time, but basically it's slow when web browsing and downloading large files because of the internal memory ASUS decided to throw at it (for whatever reason) is slow and basically causes the tablet stop for short periods (a second or less, but annoying because they are so frequent). The 7 I went though also had light bleed worse than the N10 before I sent it back, screen lifting, and in one the power button just disappeared. Thanks to the Infinity, I still can't do returns at Best Buy for about another month.
So your no longer on a nexus 10? Also the xda premium
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No I've still got it, just received it back from Samsung's repair center.
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Just in general my tablet is running slowly and sluggish in apps. It runs just fine in the settings menu and while scrolling through my app drawer
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