http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/02/ubuntu-for-smartphones/
I would really like to see this for our phones. I'd be down 110%, I love change, and even if I use it once a week, this looks like it's a pretty legit experience!
Looks interesting but not very intuitive. In other words, I don't see it as efficient as Android.
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one that doesn't like gestures to control my entire phone experience. Gestures are too inaccurate and too easy to accidentally use for my taste. I like buttons, whether they are physical or on-screen, and I would rather switch to iOS then use Ubuntu for phones.
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Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one that doesn't like gestures to control my entire phone experience. Gestures are too inaccurate and too easy to accidentally use for my taste. I like buttons, whether they are physical or on-screen, and I would rather switch to iOS then use Ubuntu for phones.
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Even with the ability to use the phone as a full fledged desktop? I mean... that's lightyears ahead of Android or iOS. I agree the UI on the phone seems a clunky though.
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Even with the ability to use the phone as a full fledged desktop? I mean... that's lightyears ahead of Android or iOS. I agree the UI on the phone seems a clunky though.
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I don't need a full fledged OS on my phone. Its cool for sure but.... what real world applications does it have? I already have a laptop for when I need a computer on the go. Android does just about everything I need it to do on my phone and tablet...and does it very well.
If this supports wine I would love this. I have always wanted to be able to use some of my widows software to hook up to OBD2 software without having to carry a computer.
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Looks interesting but not very intuitive. In other words, I don't see it as efficient as Android.
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I see it as a gateway to running more powerful software on our devices. Our hardware is getting pretty powerful.
Depending on how it functions it could be a nice duel setup
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Controlling the entire phone through swipe gestures is meh. I like buttons, and buttons are loads faster than swiping through tons of crap. If I want to go 10 apps back on my phone, I hit the multitask button and hit the app. If I want to go 10 apps back on Ubuntu I gotta go through 10 different swipes.
The desktop OS part is pretty cool though. Being able to fire up an entire Ubuntu workspace from your phone could be pretty handy. Maybe that will lead to some more Asus Padfone type phones or similar things to Moto's lapdock. Plus it's damn beautify.
I think is pretty cool looking but I liked ubuntu . I would rather mess with windows phone os
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If this supports wine I would love this. I have always wanted to be able to use some of my widows software to hook up to OBD2 software without having to carry a computer.
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There are android apps for interfacing with OBD2. I use torque.
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There are android apps for interfacing with OBD2. I use torque.
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But I use Auto Ingenuity and have the increased covarge where i can do KOEO , KOER and Injector off. I also work on big mining equipment that have software to hook up to there drive systems which would be pretty sweet to do .
Looks very interesting! Excited to use a full Linux OS on smartphones. Anyone else wonder what the future will hold?
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Even with the ability to use the phone as a full fledged desktop? I mean... that's lightyears ahead of Android or iOS. I agree the UI on the phone seems a clunky though.
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Can't think of anything useful Ubuntu would add or can really do that our phones can't...
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Can't think of anything useful Ubuntu would add or can really do that our phones can't...
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It would allow me to make themes on my phone and not have to use my computer. That would be very useful for me.
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It would allow me to make themes on my phone and not have to use my computer. That would be very useful for me.
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Until you throw your hands up in frustration when you realize the phone is too gimped without a real keyboard and mouse.
It would probably take you 2-3x as long as normal.
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anyone else here notice a lag in the keyboard typing especially on browser, say like replying in a forum...plus the accuracy does not seem to be very good.
Same here! It was fine for a while after I disabled the ripple effect. But starts slowing down again. Its one of the main reasons I keep getting back to android. WebOS has nice interface.
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Yea but until wifi issues are fixed (unless I didn't read enough) on cm7 I may hold off bbefore putting android on it. Web os is sweet but its plain left out when it comes to apps. I feel ripped off actually lol.
There's an android app called sign my pad its awesome and may be what my wife needs for her work.
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Yea but until wifi issues are fixed (unless I didn't read enough) on cm7 I may hold off bbefore putting android on it. Web os is sweet but its plain left out when it comes to apps. I feel ripped off actually lol.
There's an android app called sign my pad its awesome and may be what my wife needs for her work.
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Wi fi is not perfect on cm7 but is working well enough to not have to use web os. You are missing out since Android is working great even in an alpha stage. There is no reason to not give it a try since there is no risk in doing so.
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No problems on WebOS keyboard; I kind of like it better than the stock android keyboards.
As for CM7 Android, it's definitely still an alpha product; it is great if you don't have any problems, but if you do, you are just out of luck. I had no problems with Alpha 2 with Xron's great package 1.37, but alpha 3 with Xron's 3.3 package gives me wifi nightmares. I've seen a few posts with problems like mine - the wifi has to be re-enabled after every boot - also, my wifi drops the connection after 3 or 4 minutes. Kills me because otherwise it is so great. I'd recommend trying it - maybe you'll be like most people and won't have any of the wifi problems.
iirc the breif reading i did so far its a dual boot? so i dont really lose webos at all and can boot into either OS?
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iirc the breif reading i did so far its a dual boot? so i dont really lose webos at all and can boot into either OS?
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Correct. You do not lose web os if you install cm7. That is the beauty of the touchpad. Two operating systems available in one tablet. You have a choice on which to use on demand.
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One of the things I like about the webOS keyboard is the accuracy of it, but there is indeed some lag when typing in some forms.
Also, Shift + Enter actually works on the webOS keyboard unlike all Android soft keyboards it's useful for the facebook site or entering a new line
And the webOS browser renders full pages better than most Android browsers as well
I've noticed that android keyboard works ligtyears better for me and typing and zero lag.
Typing seems good for me on WebOS. Sometimes taps seem a little off, but I'm not sure if it's me or not. Anywho, you may want to check out some of the patches in preware. There are some to address scrolling speed and you can disable the ripple effect on clicks.
Personally, I really like WebOS and haven't bothered with the CM7 alpha's yet (I do have two other Android devices in the house though -- one a Nook running CM7, so I know what's out there).
Have you guys heard of this? http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
It runs Ubuntu on Android and it displays it on a monitor as a full blown desktop, while simultaneously running Android on the phone so that you still have full access to the dialer, messages etc...
Kewl!
Yeah, It was talked about here for a little bit:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1509790
I thought it would be a hot topic but it kinda just faded away. lol. I think that would be awesome. But our locked bootloaders probably wouldnt let us do it.
Our phone meets all the minimum requirements form the website. It is just a matter of it releasing I believe. THis is exciting news! I would love to be able to run this one my phone.
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Our phone meets all the minimum requirements form the website. It is just a matter of it releasing I believe. THis is exciting news! I would love to be able to run this one my phone.
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You dont think our kernel would need to be modified? I hope you're right. Also, it looks like they are pushing it more towards phone manufacturers and cell carriers to make it pre loaded on phones. But I hope they release it as a separate thing to anyone wanting it.
From what I understand they are working on phones that meet these specs. Our device does. I am guessing that they would have to update the kernal or at least be able to modify it a little bit to include this. I am excited to see what happens though. It would be ashame to have such a powerful device and not be able to use this.
There is an ubuntu installer ap on the market but haven't tried it
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If it's a virtual environment, I don't see why the kernel would be an issue. I'm assuming it's just like the way I run Windows as a VM inside Linux.
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I have tried the debian verison of the ubuntu installer and it runs but was difficult to use if using the gui command line was fine though
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Iincludes easter eggs, videos to show to people to show off screen, certain apps, anything.
I found out I can make calls
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I found out I can make calls
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Really?!? That's awesome! Do I need root?
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wpsantennas said:
Really?!? That's awesome! Do I need root?
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Nah, it works on stock. I think its a bonus feature for having battery life
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Nah, it works on stock. I think its a bonus feature for having battery life
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Wtf my doesnt do this
"The depressing thing about tennis is that no matter how good I get, I'll never be as good as a wall."
adrynalyne said:
I found out I can make calls
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Glad to see you got one.
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hajabooja said:
Glad to see you got one.
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It remains to be seen whether I keep it or not though.
...it can be a great ping pong paddle
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It remains to be seen whether I keep it or not though.
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i think you mean "it remains to be seen whether i can keep away from it or not though."
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i think you mean "it remains to be seen whether i can keep away from it or not though."
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Possibly
It's very very light....I forget I have it in my pocket sometimes, and its apparently really water resistant. I spilled on myself, while it was in my pocket T_T
Just got mine today and I already lrn'd2root
Not only does mine make calls.... but people can actually dial a special number and call me!!!
Most people don't seem to be all that impressed by it, but these are non tech lovers. They look at it and are like "oh. . . it's pretty". I don't think there is anything I could show them on the screen that would impress them much.
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It remains to be seen whether I keep it or not though.
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Keep it adryn!!!! pu pu please! we need all the dev love we can get!!! I for one will appreciate havign you around. But should you leave please drop a hint as to where you'll be headed
some cool things I have found out,
it may be old news for you, and some were mentioned in tech blog space before
1. during my call, i turned the phone face down and it automatically turn to speaker. which was mentioned by engadget and ac, but see it working and give convenience, it is a good fun.
2. go to settings->apps-> all, I can actually disable quite a number of pre-installed bloats, without root or any other hacks. this is awesome. for example, amazon, viewnidi, vz navigator, vz backup plus all those bs, i can disable them, without worrying that if it will fc later or cause trouble =).
oh, disabling those stuff can give me much lower memory usage, and improve battery life because many of them are running at the background.
Guess what Titanium Backup uses to freeze apps by default on Android 4.x. It just uses that Disable feature as far as I can tell.
A few times when I've pulled my phone out friends have mostly just commented on the size, but I don't go on about it with non-tech people usually. I try not to be too showy.
As for cool stuff to do with it, it's really kind of gotten me in to digging in and finding mods to do to it on my own. I haven't really done that so much on my previous phones; only relied on pre-done mods, like I got the recent apps button to turn in to a menu button a good bit before anyone on the thread seemed to get it working, although a lot of the issues probably have to do with people using plain notepad, when better luck would probably be had with a "programmer's" notepad that'd probably load and save with UNIX style newlines.
Also, it gives quite a phone-bulge.
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Guess what Titanium Backup uses to freeze apps by default on Android 4.x. It just uses that Disable feature as far as I can tell.
A few times when I've pulled my phone out friends have mostly just commented on the size, but I don't go on about it with non-tech people usually. I try not to be too showy.
As for cool stuff to do with it, it's really kind of gotten me in to digging in and finding mods to do to it on my own. I haven't really done that so much on my previous phones; only relied on pre-done mods, like I got the recent apps button to turn in to a menu button a good bit before anyone on the thread seemed to get it working, although a lot of the issues probably have to do with people using plain notepad, when better luck would probably be had with a "programmer's" notepad that'd probably load and save with UNIX style newlines.
Also, it gives quite a phone-bulge.
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Certain apps/processes can't be disabled in stock Android, but TiBu let's me freeze them.
Honestly Youtube has to be the most impressive thing you can show anyone... the HD quality over 4g is simply great and then they try to load the same video on their apple crap and it looks like 8 bit mario... just make sure its a newer video from within the last year or so or the quality will be horrid.
mainly because everyone has that app and can compare side by side... and be like wow
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Certain apps/processes can't be disabled in stock Android, but TiBu let's me freeze them.
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That's when you may run into problem.
Having root access and do stuff like that, will give unexpected drags in some apps which will affect your battery life or other functions.
For example if some functions or apps are providing system level service to others, and unfortunately if some applications uses them.. and you frozed them... then it is totally depending on the app developers' handling in such case.
either kept polling , or throwing exceptions, FCs etc.
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It remains to be seen whether I keep it or not though.
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Them sound like fightin words
My TabZ is running quite smoothly now but I'm very itchy to up it
Just wandering what are the main pros of 4.2.2 specific to the Xperia Tab Z?
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My problem is the phablet UI.
I bought the Tablet Z to have a full 10.1" Tablet experience and not a phablet/smartphone experience.
I might try the update, since I created a FTF file of 4.1.2 there is always a way back right?
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My problem is the phablet UI.
I bought the Tablet Z to have a full 10.1" Tablet experience and not a phablet/smartphone experience.
I might try the update, since I created a FTF file of 4.1.2 there is always a way back right?
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Yep with Flashtool
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My problem is the phablet UI.
I bought the Tablet Z to have a full 10.1" Tablet experience and not a phablet/smartphone experience.
I might try the update, since I created a FTF file of 4.1.2 there is always a way back right?
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I agree they turn the "Tablet" into a "Phone"
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The update is a bit okay with me. it has toggles in the notification bars for shortcut unlike the old one. Sony just unified the android 4.2.2 experience. hopefully there will be no new bugs comes with the new update.
It makes little sense to update. 4.1.2 works great, while 4.2.2 only brings ****ty phablet UI, removes SmallApps shortcut and seems to impact streaming negatively.
Not looking forward to the loss of additional pixel rows to the second new phablet bar at the top. However I'm definitely not planning to stay at a specific ancient version longer than I have to so I might as well get used to it. If it annoys me too much I'll go scout for unofficial UI patches or roms to remove it.
But why do you want to go away from the so-called "ancient" version?
It does all what one wants, and it does it fast and stable!
Or what do you miss? (Only thing I can understand is when LTE version users want to update because they finally get the exFAT support... although with some research there are other possibilities to get files >4GB on the microSD...)
Sometimes people dismiss something only because it's supposed as "old". I think this is - at least in this case - BS.
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But why do you want to go away from the so-called "ancient" version?
It does all what one wants, and it does it fast and stable!
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But it doesn't, IMHO. It may do all *you* want it to do, sure. But different people have different priorities and desires.
The old version is not receiving any (official) security patches and the new versions are introducing stuff I personally look forward to. Stuff like a modular lockscreen, multiuser functions and later on the priceless possibility to revoke individual app permissions in 4.3+.
No doubt it'll introduce as many new bugs and break old stuff. Everyone has to evaluate for himself if the good outweighs the bad. And if the balance just can't be met, there may still be other ways forward in the form of customized ROMs.
Some people will definitely make the wrong decision at first, realize it and go back. Thankfully they can, with some effort.
I'm not saying that staying at an old version is a bad thing. If you see the full picture of what you're missing (or not missing!) then it's a legit decision to make for yourself.
I am just wondering ... why have they decided to put the navigation buttons in the worst possible place? ...placing them in the middle instead of near the corners means I have to stretch my thumb a lot to press the Back button when using my tablet in landscape mode (which is 99% of the time).
The same happened at the notification bar at the top.
It just seems like they decided to just have one UI, and then just didn't care that the new UI seems very unwieldy to people with a large tablet. And the is coming from a guy with pretty long fingers.
I am not thinking that turning my tablet into a mobile is the way forward. Quite disappointed with that part of the new update, and I just know it will annoy the heck out of me.
It's a google thing .. From 4.2.2 there is no tablet UI
It's a shame about The UI. But I guess it's something you need to get used to. Can't seem to See The logic in that decision. It forces user to operate their tablet one handed. Not terribly well for 10" tabs. Unless it is one as light as XTZ.
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Because the Tablet Z is so light, I just hold it in my left hand and use my right hand for screen touches & typing. So for me having buttons in the middle of the bottom bar is easier and more consistent with my phone.
If you use a launcher like Nova you can hide the top status/notification bar and use gestures to show it (as I do).
In addition to this, now that I'm on CM 10.2 I'm using Pie, so I have no visible navigation bar as well.
Guys, the problem with the >=4.2 layout is not how you can reach best for the soft keys.
The problem is the incredible waste of screen estate by having two bars and one of them (the fatter one at that) being mostly just black with 3 tiny buttons in the middle.
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It's a google thing .. From 4.2.2 there is no tablet UI
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While it may be a AOSP thing that doesn't mean it has to be a Sony thing, each OEM makes their own version of Android and can change pretty much any thing they want to about it. This is just them being lazy with it and not wanting to go through the trouble to change the nav bar to the version we have in 4.1.2.
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While it may be a AOSP thing that doesn't mean it has to be a Sony thing, each OEM makes their own version of Android and can change pretty much any thing they want to about it. This is just them being lazy with it and not wanting to go through the trouble to change the nav bar to the version we have in 4.1.2.
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I have to agree with this. Seems to be pure laziness from Sony's side to not make use of the tablet's extra space.
Does anyone know if there is ROM out there that "fixes" the issue?
For me, holding the tablet in one hand is a no-go. Even though it is light, I would not want to handle it like my phone. It gets heavy after a while. I hold it like a book, at the edges in landscape mode. Now I (almost) can't reach the navigation buttons.
Also I have the 4G version, and the navigation pane can't even properly show the line with the service provider's name.
If they wanted to be lazy, they could just have gone full Google-experience. This seems just half-assed.
Is it me or can i do MORE with Microsoft launcher on my Note 9 than i can with this device?
I cannot find any launcher settings/features. I have dev mode on as well....and i got nothing.....
Is it me or am i missing something?
It appears as if this is using a modified version of Launcher for foldable phones, which does appear to lack a lot of customization features from the traditional Launcher.
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It appears as if this is using a modified version of Launcher for foldable phones, which does appear to lack a lot of customization features from the traditional Launcher.
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i'm sure someone will figure something out because this is kinda a bummer....those bars on the bottom are BRUTAL.....
This launcher needs help ASAP! The icons alone are brutal and there is zero customization to the launcher. I really like the Pixel launcher which has some but not a ton of customization and the normal M/S launcher is decent, I would be happy with that level but here is nothing currently going on here.
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How about some simple stuff like double tap to wake the screen since there isn't an AOD?
And why is the notification shade so narrow in comparison to the screen width??
I personally hate the pull down anywhere on the homescreen to search feature, I want to turn it off.
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I personally hate the pull down anywhere on the homescreen to search feature, I want to turn it off.
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I hate that too.... making more lags when is already pretty laggy
I found a little bit of settings but i can't disable many things i want..... example pull down laggy search menu
Press that Microsoft Launcher setting icon
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I found a little bit of settings but i can't disable many things i want..... example pull down laggy search menu
Press that Microsoft Launcher setting icon
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Oh nice. yeah still limited. thinking its cause the OS cannot handle the extra features right now...most reviewers said the device wasn't even usebale prior to this day 1 patch....they got on the 5th...so id imagine.... we got a ways out or until someone brilliant creates a fork.
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Oh nice. yeah still limited. thinking its cause the OS cannot handle the extra features right now...most reviewers said the device wasn't even usebale prior to this day 1 patch....they got on the 5th...so id imagine.... we got a ways out or until someone brilliant creates a fork.
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I'm playing games and i see device actually running any game on super high settings exactly the same as Snap865!
So the kernel in very good shape.
I just don't understand where this micro lags coming from.... launcher!!!?? Rom? or maybe it is a kernel.
I'm happy that Microsoft didn't lock the bootloader.... so we have access to open a hood.
Don't know if I will be able to wait so long.
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I'm playing games and i see device actually running any game on super high settings exactly the same as Snap865!
So the kernel in very good shape.
I just don't understand where this micro lags coming from.... launcher!!!?? Rom? or maybe it is a kernel.
I'm happy that Microsoft didn't lock the bootloader.... so we have access to open a hood.
Don't know if I will be able to wait so long.
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I think its the launcher. I installed lawnchair and it seemed overall snappier. Went back to microsoft launcher though because other launchers act wonky when switching between postures.
avetny said:
I'm playing games and i see device actually running any game on super high settings exactly the same as Snap865!
So the kernel in very good shape.
I just don't understand where this micro lags coming from.... launcher!!!?? Rom? or maybe it is a kernel.
I'm happy that Microsoft didn't lock the bootloader.... so we have access to open a hood.
Don't know if I will be able to wait so long.
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Yeah I get what you mean I been back n forth between this and the fold2
Supposedly an update per month on the duo is what was said.... Let's see how well that pans out.
The studders are really odd.
What would you move to from this?
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Yeah I get what you mean I been back n forth between this and the fold2
Supposedly an update per month on the duo is what was said.... Let's see how well that pans out.
The studders are really odd.
What would you move to from this?
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I came from Sony Xperia 1 Mark II (latest flagship)
Yeah It was Note20Ultra or Fold2 but im gonna hold out and see what the deal is with a new launcher setup for this thing hopefully sooner than later.
I fear that Microsoft held onto all the cards and didnt let 3rd parties in on the goods to develop ahead as they want everything to be theirs on the front end for a long as possible....issue is....its not holding water and i think they gotta act fast.... Lets see what aftermarket comes up with now.
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Yeah It was Note20Ultra or Fold2 but im gonna hold out and see what the deal is with a new launcher setup for this thing hopefully sooner than later.
I fear that Microsoft held onto all the cards and didnt let 3rd parties in on the goods to develop ahead as they want everything to be theirs on the front end for a long as possible....issue is....its not holding water and i think they gotta act fast.... Lets see what aftermarket comes up with now.
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Except that goes against what Microsoft actually did, releasing the API's and an emulator image for the duo a few months ago.
Right now, Android 10 is kind of hacked together to handle a lot of the dual screen features, but android 11 has those API's built in, so hopefully 11 will help out with a lot of the bugs we are seeing.
so when i try to install Nova, it runs as a layer on top of stock MS launcher.. like i can see both lauchers with their icons..really weird!
At this point unless a launcher developer goes to the trouble to make their product compatible with the Duo it will be M/S or nothing. I'm hoping their next software drop will help a number of the the launcher issues.
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so when i try to install Nova, it runs as a layer on top of stock MS launcher.. like i can see both lauchers with their icons..really weird!
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Both launchers leave "remnants" of themselves when you switch defaults. The way I got around it was to force-stop the Microsoft Launcher and make sure Nova Launcher was the default. This actually works pretty well. The problem is that Nova Launcher isn't optimized for this environment, and things get weird. So back to Microsoft Launcher I went.
Saw the post about lawnchair. And doing adb to disable... May try that