My TabZ is running quite smoothly now but I'm very itchy to up it
Just wandering what are the main pros of 4.2.2 specific to the Xperia Tab Z?
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My problem is the phablet UI.
I bought the Tablet Z to have a full 10.1" Tablet experience and not a phablet/smartphone experience.
I might try the update, since I created a FTF file of 4.1.2 there is always a way back right?
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My problem is the phablet UI.
I bought the Tablet Z to have a full 10.1" Tablet experience and not a phablet/smartphone experience.
I might try the update, since I created a FTF file of 4.1.2 there is always a way back right?
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Yep with Flashtool
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nex86 said:
My problem is the phablet UI.
I bought the Tablet Z to have a full 10.1" Tablet experience and not a phablet/smartphone experience.
I might try the update, since I created a FTF file of 4.1.2 there is always a way back right?
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I agree they turn the "Tablet" into a "Phone"
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The update is a bit okay with me. it has toggles in the notification bars for shortcut unlike the old one. Sony just unified the android 4.2.2 experience. hopefully there will be no new bugs comes with the new update.
It makes little sense to update. 4.1.2 works great, while 4.2.2 only brings ****ty phablet UI, removes SmallApps shortcut and seems to impact streaming negatively.
Not looking forward to the loss of additional pixel rows to the second new phablet bar at the top. However I'm definitely not planning to stay at a specific ancient version longer than I have to so I might as well get used to it. If it annoys me too much I'll go scout for unofficial UI patches or roms to remove it.
But why do you want to go away from the so-called "ancient" version?
It does all what one wants, and it does it fast and stable!
Or what do you miss? (Only thing I can understand is when LTE version users want to update because they finally get the exFAT support... although with some research there are other possibilities to get files >4GB on the microSD...)
Sometimes people dismiss something only because it's supposed as "old". I think this is - at least in this case - BS.
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But why do you want to go away from the so-called "ancient" version?
It does all what one wants, and it does it fast and stable!
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But it doesn't, IMHO. It may do all *you* want it to do, sure. But different people have different priorities and desires.
The old version is not receiving any (official) security patches and the new versions are introducing stuff I personally look forward to. Stuff like a modular lockscreen, multiuser functions and later on the priceless possibility to revoke individual app permissions in 4.3+.
No doubt it'll introduce as many new bugs and break old stuff. Everyone has to evaluate for himself if the good outweighs the bad. And if the balance just can't be met, there may still be other ways forward in the form of customized ROMs.
Some people will definitely make the wrong decision at first, realize it and go back. Thankfully they can, with some effort.
I'm not saying that staying at an old version is a bad thing. If you see the full picture of what you're missing (or not missing!) then it's a legit decision to make for yourself.
I am just wondering ... why have they decided to put the navigation buttons in the worst possible place? ...placing them in the middle instead of near the corners means I have to stretch my thumb a lot to press the Back button when using my tablet in landscape mode (which is 99% of the time).
The same happened at the notification bar at the top.
It just seems like they decided to just have one UI, and then just didn't care that the new UI seems very unwieldy to people with a large tablet. And the is coming from a guy with pretty long fingers.
I am not thinking that turning my tablet into a mobile is the way forward. Quite disappointed with that part of the new update, and I just know it will annoy the heck out of me.
It's a google thing .. From 4.2.2 there is no tablet UI
It's a shame about The UI. But I guess it's something you need to get used to. Can't seem to See The logic in that decision. It forces user to operate their tablet one handed. Not terribly well for 10" tabs. Unless it is one as light as XTZ.
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Because the Tablet Z is so light, I just hold it in my left hand and use my right hand for screen touches & typing. So for me having buttons in the middle of the bottom bar is easier and more consistent with my phone.
If you use a launcher like Nova you can hide the top status/notification bar and use gestures to show it (as I do).
In addition to this, now that I'm on CM 10.2 I'm using Pie, so I have no visible navigation bar as well.
Guys, the problem with the >=4.2 layout is not how you can reach best for the soft keys.
The problem is the incredible waste of screen estate by having two bars and one of them (the fatter one at that) being mostly just black with 3 tiny buttons in the middle.
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It's a google thing .. From 4.2.2 there is no tablet UI
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While it may be a AOSP thing that doesn't mean it has to be a Sony thing, each OEM makes their own version of Android and can change pretty much any thing they want to about it. This is just them being lazy with it and not wanting to go through the trouble to change the nav bar to the version we have in 4.1.2.
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While it may be a AOSP thing that doesn't mean it has to be a Sony thing, each OEM makes their own version of Android and can change pretty much any thing they want to about it. This is just them being lazy with it and not wanting to go through the trouble to change the nav bar to the version we have in 4.1.2.
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I have to agree with this. Seems to be pure laziness from Sony's side to not make use of the tablet's extra space.
Does anyone know if there is ROM out there that "fixes" the issue?
For me, holding the tablet in one hand is a no-go. Even though it is light, I would not want to handle it like my phone. It gets heavy after a while. I hold it like a book, at the edges in landscape mode. Now I (almost) can't reach the navigation buttons.
Also I have the 4G version, and the navigation pane can't even properly show the line with the service provider's name.
If they wanted to be lazy, they could just have gone full Google-experience. This seems just half-assed.
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Started along my Android journey 2 weeks ago by selling my.iPhone 4 and buying a Motorola milestone 2 phone and now a HTC flyer 3g.
sorta got used to the hardware buttons on the flyer. will HC remove their functionality completely or is it likely to come back at some stage? does anyone know why they have been removed?
thanks
Hardware buttons are not able to be used in hc by Google's design. Will have to stick with GB or wait till ICS if you want them back.
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thanks for the answer. what noticeable benefits with HC? I I might stay with GB as I really like the hardware buttons
Just flashed hc and really like so far, the os is much better for tablets, can also use the pen everywhere!
There is a bottom bar instead of hw buttons, and this is fine in portrait mode (which is best for flyer generally), but is more noticable in landscape. I haven't watched any vids yet to know how it affects those
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Not likely they will be back in HC since they are redundant with the on screen system bar which cannot be removed. Use it for a few days and you will forget the hard buttons were even there.
Hardware buttons are removed from Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich) as well so I doubt they will be back. Not sure if it is possible for a Developer to make them work on a custom ROM or not. I have been trying ICS on my Evo and my buttons work.
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Hardware buttons are removed from Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich) as well so I doubt they will be back. Not sure if it is possible for a Developer to make them work on a custom ROM or not. I have been trying ICS on my Evo and my buttons work.
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I'm pretty sure that if the hardware buttons are on the device they will be used in ICS instead of the on screen buttons. Why waste screen space with the on screen buttons when you have them built in?
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Gumby63 said:
I'm pretty sure that if the hardware buttons are on the device they will be used in ICS instead of the on screen buttons. Why waste screen space with the on screen buttons when you have them built in?
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I guess what I meant to say was they are starting to move away from hardware buttons altogether.
I think ICS has built-in calls to hide the soft-buttons, HC does not. You won;t be seeing a full working ICS for the Flyer anytime soon though. Not until HTC releases a working ROM or a ICS on a HTC device that is close enough to port.
If HC on the Flyer does not use the capacitive buttons, it is not worth it for me losing about 10% of the display in landscape mode. I will not update and thanks for letting me know! Flyer works great already and a 7" tablet IMO is small enough without losing space.
As far as ICS, it has already been pointed out that OEMs can choose to use the capacitive buttons, if a device has them. Imagine the uproar from people with small phone displays if losing space to a nav bar.
Nexus does this, but has a bigger display, so the actual usable display size minus the fixed nav bar is a tad under 4.3". The buttons are only hidden in ICS during some types of video playback, but apparently nothing else. The bar is always there- just like HC.
Added: Since capacitive buttons can be used, I would expect them to be around longer, since cheaper to put capacitive buttons, rather than bigger displays: Also better on battery life.
You do not have to lose the space and get much more back in return
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I'm trying to understand the negative view on the Honeycomb bar. It replaces the system bar, which we have at the top of the screen now, so we don't loose much, right? Perhaps a few more pixels, but...that's it, right?
I do like the hardware buttons, but its not like we're going from no status bar to a huge one; we're going from a smaller one to a slightly larger one with more functionality.
Or am I missing something?
Your not missing anything people are making something out of nearly nothing and are ignoring the drastic user interface improvements. The only time I use honeybar to remove honeycomb bar is if watching videos. Now if I wanted to use my flyer as a phone. That is a different story
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Not seeing how it is something out of nothing, since you lose more than 10% of display space in landscape mode- it is taken by the nav bar. The same one on my Thrive, except it is a 10" display, so not as bad.
Before updating, check out the Acer 7" and see if you like it. I found it cramp and appreciate the extra display space on the Flyer with GB. ICS can use the capacitive buttons and not use the nav bar, but HC can not.
All up to choice. I choose to not have a smaller display on an already small 7" tablet, since the Flyer already has nav buttons. Eveybody else can knock themselves out and enjoy HC Added: As far as rooting to get a work around, my Flyer works great as is, so not risking the root process- Flyer rocks.
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NookFan said:
I'm trying to understand the negative view on the Honeycomb bar. It replaces the system bar, which we have at the top of the screen now, so we don't loose much, right? Perhaps a few more pixels, but...that's it, right?
I do like the hardware buttons, but its not like we're going from no status bar to a huge one; we're going from a smaller one to a slightly larger one with more functionality.
Or am I missing something?
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I wish that were the case than you are right- no problem. Thing is the bars in GB go away when playing a game, surfing (if you choose to) or watching a movie. The bar does NOT go away with HC. The buttons darken, but the big bar is still there and over 10% of the display is gone for good.
Incorrect if you use honeybar
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NookFan said:
I'm trying to understand the negative view on the Honeycomb bar. It replaces the system bar, which we have at the top of the screen now, so we don't loose much, right? Perhaps a few more pixels, but...that's it, right?
I do like the hardware buttons, but its not like we're going from no status bar to a huge one; we're going from a smaller one to a slightly larger one with more functionality.
Or am I missing something?
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This is the reason..
mcord11758 said:
Incorrect if you use honeybar
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But need to be rooted to use it. If simple like the Incredible, Droid 3 and Razr, no problem, but the process seems too risky when the Flyer already performs great for me. No need to rock the boat and no need to lose display space to a nav bar.
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I guess when full-screen is no longer really full-screen, I get it. Thanks for the info. I am looking forward to Honeycomb, though...
I might as well whine in here too....
I really really really want at least one hardware (physical) button on the front of device. I don't get it why all manufacturers decided that there is no real need for it. Take the damn ipad for example: that thing is easy to turn on with the front button. I used to have old android phone with Green and Red phone buttons and it was so comfortable to turn on the phone using them. When I upgraded to Galaxy S, man I have missed those... got used to power button with time because device is small. With flyer and other tablets it is a bit different story. It lays on my desk and I have to use two hands to turn on the damn thing. One hand to hold the device, another to push the power button. It is a small thing, but it is quite uncomfortable.
Back to the topic... For those in doubt.. HC upgrade is worth it. You're not loosing much, but overall HC is better IMHO.
Does anybody know a good task manager/killer for HC that maybe integrates with multitasking preview (I know that I'm not supposed to use it... blah...blah...blah...)?
You can use any of the 10 or so task killers on the market, they will all work just as poorly as any for HC. As you have pointed out, not needed and will adversely affect your performance / battery if you try to automate it.
If your device is on the desk, plugged in, just set the display to never time out and you never need to turn it back on....
I've been searching around on the subject for the last few days, in hopes of finding the answer...but I'm still not clear. Is it possible to load the tablet version of GMail on the Note, without switching to a new ROM? I'm running the basic stock ICS, and rooted. I'm really enjoying the stability and S-pen gestures working 100%, but would like to have the tablet version of GMail without switching the DPI, or changing ROM's. I'm pretty sure this isn't possible from what I've read so far, but figured I would ask the question before I gave up completely.
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AFAIK, the tablet versions of any app only apply when the correct DPI is detected. If you are on stock DPI of 320 then I don't think it would work. You'll need custom DPI control via a supported ROM/kernel to achieve this. But I might be wrong.
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Ditch stock ICS and try paranoid android. You will get tablet style apps and a host of other features stock android could only dream of. Seriously using stock ICS with all the great ROMs floating around is like being at a feast and only eating bread.
I'm interested to know the same thing
johnrippa said:
Ditch stock ICS and try paranoid android. You will get tablet style apps and a host of other features stock android could only dream of. Seriously using stock ICS with all the great ROMs floating around is like being at a feast and only eating bread.
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I've tried all the other ROM's, albeit a while back, and lost all S-Pen gestures. Maybe this has been solved since then, I haven't been tracking the threads, but I need that functionality. I use my device a huge percentage of the time on my job-sites for taking pictures. I'm wearing work gloves, so using the S-pen is a great way to do this without taking your gloves on and off all day long. For some unknown reason Samsung made the S-Pen not able to hit the home, back, menu buttons and opted for a silly gesture system to achieve this. I'm stuck with no way to go back, use home, or menu on other ROMs with-out taking off my gloves, or the rare-used hit the button with the tip of my nose trick .
This is the first device I've left pretty much stock, and I have to say it's pretty awesome not constantly checking threads and flashing nightlies in hope of this bug or that bug being fixed. Everything is working rock-solid right now with no FC's, no reboots and all S-Pen functionality. I do understand all the great ROM's are out there and I might switch back to them at some point...but for now I need the gestures.
Another thing I was getting on the other ROMs was some pretty erratic s-pen behavior like activating screen taps when I was over an inch away from the screen, and being overall less accurate then when on stock. I'm hoping the Galaxy Note2 will come with an S-Pen calibrating app, that will be able to be ported over the original Note.
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AFAIK, the tablet versions of any app only apply when the correct DPI is detected. If you are on stock DPI of 320 then I don't think it would work. You'll need custom DPI control via a supported ROM/kernel to achieve this. But I might be wrong.
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I wonder is there is a way to 'mock' your dpi. I'll think I'll check into that today, might be possible.
Anyword on this yet? I'll love to use tablet apps on my note 2.
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Just change the dpi of gmail and it will turn them to dual panel. Try 220 or 240.
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charlieb620 said:
Just change the dpi of gmail and it will turn them to dual panel. Try 220 or 240.
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Ok so how do we change the dpi?
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With this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2083890
Its probably not what you think.
Battery is superb.
The screen, OMG its nice.
Phone is smooth as butter, despite heavy Sense.
Build quality is great.
However, so many games that I truly enjoy and have purchased do not work. The legacy menu button on so many apps eats screen real estate, and it is ridiculous.
I am aware that these aren't really the phone's fault entirely, but if the phone isn't a big seller, developers are going to drag their feet. That means we see fixes in months and in smartphone years, that's ancient.
So while I believe software will catch up, it will be later when 1080p becomes more mainstream. By that time, I am looking for another phone. So why do I want to suffer with incompatibilities?
Please don't tell me to sideload my stuff; I am getting incompatibility messages on launch as well.
As for the legacy menu, this is a two-fold problem.
1. Developers are lazy and not updating to Android standards like they should.
2. There is an abundance of false legacy menus.
The first issue needs to be fixed by app devs, period. The second one baffles me. I have a Galaxy Nexus. Not one of my apps has a legacy menu in it because if they did I wouldn't use it. Yet, my phone doesn't have a menu key either.
However, I am getting legacy menus, even in some games. What is worse, these menus don't work, or they replicate a clickable menu in the game. Why??? My Galaxy Nexus didn't have that issue. I can't even enjoy the screen to its full potential with legacy menus. I am aware I can mod this myself, but that isn't the point.
I know they are small nitpicks, but I think the screen in all its awesomeness might kill it for me as well with incompatibilities. I am not naive enough to believe that these will be cleared up any time soon.
The little black bar on the bottom doesn't bother me at all. I barely notice it. Just another one of those "opinions will vary" things.
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adrynalyne said:
The second one baffles me. I have a Galaxy Nexus. Not one of my apps has a legacy menu in it because if they did I wouldn't use it. Yet, my phone doesn't have a menu key either.
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The fact that this exists is kind of odd. When the One X(s) launched they had the same set up and it was even more annoying having less screen real estate to work with. HTC fixed it in the 4.0.3>4.0.4 update a couple of months ago. Basically, the recent apps capacitive button became a toggle. You were given three options:
1) As-is; launch recent apps
2) Long-press=recent apps, short-press=settings
3) Long-press=settings; short-press=recent apps
Check out the Teg3 One X dev forum. You should be able to find a solution you can port there.
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Here's what the menu looks like...
Ironically, HTC removed that option for the DNA.
It finally pushed me overboard. The app compatibility, that is. I returned the DNA. I got tired of playing Russian roulette with app purchases and wondering if I was going to run into a problem.
adrynalyne said:
Ironically, HTC removed that option for the DNA.
It finally pushed me overboard. The app compatibility, that is. I returned the DNA.
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VZW seems to enjoy butchering their devices from stock. There's a ton "enhancements" they made to the N2 that really don't make any sense. S-Planner is one of the coolest and most functional S-Pen enabled apps and they removed it and have Google Calendar set as the default. They also made the Wi-Fi notification toggle in to a Wi-Fi monitor so you have to go in to settings manually to turn Wi-Fi off and on. The N2 has a call and MMS blocking tool that they disabled also. Odd.
I agree about the menu button; it would have been better if it only took a small screen estate on either corners at the bottom instead.
As for compatibility issue, I have not yet came across that problem...well probably because I do not play any games. I'm sure many apps will start to optimize for the 1080p resolution, now that we have it on the phone.
I have been using Samsung Fascinate ever since it came out...even with the minimal level of developer support before it boomed with tons of roms, I had no problem using it for all of my essential needs. People usually assume that outdated devices are incapable of handling most tasks, but I think a single core is enough to cover a smartphone's functionalities. I bought the DNA because its spec somewhat overkills the current smartphone standards to the extent where it will be enough for another three or five years.
Technology will only continue to advance without ever having a "Peak", so I wouldn't stress over playing the waiting game for the next new thing to come out. Well, that's just me of course
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I'm sure many apps will start to optimize for the 1080p resolution, now that we have it on the phone.
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Now that a 1080P phone has hit the market you can expect the spec wars to continue. The rumored SGS4 is supposed to have a 1080P display as well as an unannounced LG phone. People with the N10 are having the same issue. So it'll get resolved in time it's a matter of whether you're willing to wait.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Smartphones-1080p-Screen-Retina-Display-HD,18639.html
BarryH_GEG said:
Now that a 1080P phone has hit the market you can expect the spec wars to continue. The rumored SGS4 is supposed to have a 1080P display as well as an unannounced LG phone. People with the N10 are having the same issue. So it'll get resolved in time it's a matter of whether you're willing to wait.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Smartphones-1080p-Screen-Retina-Display-HD,18639.html
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The only issue is that those 1080p phones won't hit the mainstream market until April-May timeframe. This even further emphasizes the fact that DNA is the phone from the future... As an early adopter, I'm loving it!
Sorry to hear you returned the phone, it was great having you in this forum. Enjoy your alternative phone choice!
I am also disappointed with game incompatibility, but keeping the DNA as I don't play that much. My son was upset about angry birds star wars turning up as a black screen though.
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cowisland said:
Sorry to hear you returned the phone, it was great having you in this forum. Enjoy your alternative phone choice!
I am also disappointed with game incompatibility, but keeping the DNA as I don't play that much. My son was upset about angry birds star wars turning up as a black screen though.
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Thank you for the kind words.
I really hope the device takes off. It has a ton of untapped potential.
I don't really game so I haven't come across any applications that don't work on this device. My two primary applications, however, are Facebook and Twitter...and the menu bar at the bottom is just a straight up pain in the ass. I don't understand why they couldn't either 1) add capacitive menu button or 2) do the menu buttons like the Galaxy S3/Note 2 etc. It just seems like an awful design decision to me, and I'm surprised more reviews didn't pick up on it.
It's things like this that lends to consumers thinking that Android lacks the 'polish' of iOS. I know it's not Android's fault by design, but the average consumer doesn't tend to care about AOSP vs. Sense, etc.
HTC completely changing sense on every update is baffling. They are so terrified of their market loss that it appears they have zero confidence.
And what happened to the button remap mod in 4.1? Gone.
I think this may be my last HTC phone if they don't get their **** together
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adrynalyne said:
Thank you for the kind words.
I really hope the device takes off. It has a ton of untapped potential.
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You are definitely one of the most refreshing people that post here. I hope to see you around from time to time
Definitely admire your choice. I feel like the DNA is the better phone for me, but then again, I don't do any gaming. And the Note 2, with its screen size, S pen, memory and massive battery make it a good choice for you my friend. I wish I could own both.
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sorry to hear you returned it. When I seen your name on these forums I was excited because I always loved your work. I understand though
adrynalyne said:
Its probably not what you think.
Battery is superb.
The screen, OMG its nice.
Phone is smooth as butter, despite heavy Sense.
Build quality is great.
However, so many games that I truly enjoy and have purchased do not work. The legacy menu button on so many apps eats screen real estate, and it is ridiculous.
I am aware that these aren't really the phone's fault entirely, but if the phone isn't a big seller, developers are going to drag their feet. That means we see fixes in months and in smartphone years, that's ancient.
So while I believe software will catch up, it will be later when 1080p becomes more mainstream. By that time, I am looking for another phone. So why do I want to suffer with incompatibilities?
Please don't tell me to sideload my stuff; I am getting incompatibility messages on launch as well.
As for the legacy menu, this is a two-fold problem.
1. Developers are lazy and not updating to Android standards like they should.
2. There is an abundance of false legacy menus.
The first issue needs to be fixed by app devs, period. The second one baffles me. I have a Galaxy Nexus. Not one of my apps has a legacy menu in it because if they did I wouldn't use it. Yet, my phone doesn't have a menu key either.
However, I am getting legacy menus, even in some games. What is worse, these menus don't work, or they replicate a clickable menu in the game. Why??? My Galaxy Nexus didn't have that issue. I can't even enjoy the screen to its full potential with legacy menus. I am aware I can mod this myself, but that isn't the point.
I know they are small nitpicks, but I think the screen in all its awesomeness might kill it for me as well with incompatibilities. I am not naive enough to believe that these will be cleared up any time soon.
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You are definitely one of the most refreshing people that post here. I hope to see you around from time to time
Definitely admire your choice. I feel like the DNA is the better phone for me, but then again, I don't do any gaming. And the Note 2, with its screen size, S pen, memory and massive battery make it a good choice for you my friend. I wish I could own both.
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I think he's holding out for the next group of super phones.
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Its probably not what you think.
Battery is superb.
The screen, OMG its nice.
Phone is smooth as butter, despite heavy Sense.
Build quality is great.
However, so many games that I truly enjoy and have purchased do not work. The legacy menu button on so many apps eats screen real estate, and it is ridiculous.
I know they are small nitpicks, but I think the screen in all its awesomeness might kill it for me as well with incompatibilities. I am not naive enough to believe that these will be cleared up any time soon.
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Wow, this post was spot on! I'm an android newbie and DNA is my fist phone without the menu button. So all this time I'm seeing these 3 dots at the bottom taking up precious real estate and I JUST signed up in this forum so that I could ask what is it and how to remove it. I'm glad I found this thread cause I've about reached the point where I'm ready to return this phone back!!
Let me ask you this, do you think it will better? Also in the end I didn't get it, is it the apps fault or is it HTC sense that's at fault for not letting us have a choice. Also one final question, are there any other mods that allow you to change the setting, making the recent apps button act like a settings buttion?
and lastly THANK you for sharing my frustration! At least I know I'm not alone or crazy for being so annoyed that I'm losing at least .3 of an inch. What's the point of advertizing that it's a 5" phone then?!
this phone will get better with time .. it hasn't been out that long , nor has the unlock... The devs are starting to rip it apart , and then the fun starts
My HTC DNA
Damented said:
sorry to hear you returned it. When I seen your name on these forums I was excited because I always loved your work. I understand though
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I don't believe he returned it yet.
Yeah I use to run your kernels on the Dinc adrynalyne
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latebeat said:
Wow, this post was spot on! I'm an android newbie and DNA is my fist phone without the menu button. So all this time I'm seeing these 3 dots at the bottom taking up precious real estate and I JUST signed up in this forum so that I could ask what is it and how to remove it. I'm glad I found this thread cause I've about reached the point where I'm ready to return this phone back!!
Let me ask you this, do you think it will better? Also in the end I didn't get it, is it the apps fault or is it HTC sense that's at fault for not letting us have a choice. Also one final question, are there any other mods that allow you to change the setting, making the recent apps button act like a settings buttion?
and lastly THANK you for sharing my frustration! At least I know I'm not alone or crazy for being so annoyed that I'm losing at least .3 of an inch. What's the point of advertizing that it's a 5" phone then?!
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Note: it can be fixed through root and mods. HTC may patch it as well eventually.
robertmoore208 said:
this phone will get better with time .. it hasn't been out that long , nor has the unlock... The devs are starting to rip it apart , and then the fun starts
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Oh I know. The menu thing was fixable. It was the app compatibility that made me decide.
Nobody likes to wait. For anything, really. But especially us phone geeks when it comes to the newest software. It's like pure torture, and it leads to crack flashing and endless tweaking of our devices. Oh the hours lost trying to find the perfect combination of the latest cutting edge Android version and the function we want. There's always an annoying bug like severe battery drain, GPS failure, or poorly calibrated colors & audio. And while we again WAIT for another update to fix it, we flash away. Complaining the entire time about how we have to wait for another update.
But I've come to realize something. I already love my phone. Stock, right out of the box. It works perfectly. Everything I need, with no time wasted on trying to make it "better". Why should I care what number is after the decimal in my Android version? I don't. Because I'd rather wait until they make sure my phone experience won't diminish, that it will only improve when I update it. Maybe it's HTC that made me feel like this with the One. Maybe all the top tier phones are so good now, it doesn't matter if it's a Nexus. Or vanilla Android at all for that matter.
All I know is right now, my phone is perfect. And I'd hate to ruin that just because of a little decimal change in my software bragging rights. I'll wait. Take your time HTC, take your time T-Mobile.
Not to troll here or flame.... But really?
I stopped reading after the title...
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ingenious247 said:
Nobody likes to wait. For anything, really. But especially us phone geeks when it comes to the newest software. It's like pure torture, and it leads to crack flashing and endless tweaking of our devices. Oh the hours lost trying to find the perfect combination of the latest cutting edge Android version and the function we want. There's always an annoying bug like severe battery drain, GPS failure, or poorly calibrated colors & audio. And while we again WAIT for another update to fix it, we flash away. Complaining the entire time about how we have to wait for another update.
But I've come to realize something. I already love my phone. Stock, right out of the box. It works perfectly. Everything I need, with no time wasted on trying to make it "better". Why should I care what number is after the decimal in my Android version? I don't. Because I'd rather wait until they make sure my phone experience won't diminish, that it will only improve when I update it. Maybe it's HTC that made me feel like this with the One. Maybe all the top tier phones are so good now, it doesn't matter if it's a Nexus. Or vanilla Android at all for that matter.
All I know is right now, my phone is perfect. And I'd hate to ruin that just because of a little decimal change in my software bragging rights. I'll wait. Take your time HTC, take your time T-Mobile.
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The new ltd update brought me back to stock for improved reception. The only thing I really miss is the hold home as menu button. I understand your point, although I do wish they would stop being lazy and just bring it over.
woostar88 said:
Not to troll here or flame.... But really?
I stopped reading after the title...
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Sorry thought a fresh perspective might be nice. Instead of another thread complaining about not having 4.2.2
Thanks for contributing
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See I just want my sense to have my nice 2 finger pull-down menu from 4.2.2 and WiFi calling. Be nice if they would just add in a bigger app drawer and home screen.
I don't know why you wouldn't like the new updates/ including improved battery life and usability... Also, Wifi calling is only one that I miss the most... other than that, everything else is far superior in terms of speed, battery, and well... everything else.
I agree with what your saying in regards to Roms. I quit using them a while ago and have had a much better and more consistent experience with my stock phone.
As far as the carriers go.....that's all fine and good except that Google releases updates that work immediately so it's clear that you can get updates to work from day 1. That makes me questions the motives behind carriers's relentless "testing" which, as we all know, is their way of getting people to buy new phones.
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I agree with what your saying in regards to Roms. I quit using them a while ago and have had a much better and more consistent experience with my stock phone.
As far as the carriers go.....that's all fine and good except that Google releases updates that work immediately so it's clear that you can get updates to work from day 1. That makes me questions the motives behind carriers's relentless "testing" which, as we all know, is their way of getting people to buy new phones.
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Google also doesn't have to deal with tens of thousands of paying customers threatening to end their business relationship when there's bugs/issues like the carriers do. They have to be more careful releasing updates
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i just want 4.2.2. i came from a nexus 4, so i'm so use to pulling down the notification bar with two fingers and accessing the little toggles right then and there. or pulling down my notification bar with one finger and being able to expand some notifications like emails so i can see more then one at a time.
ingenious247 said:
Nobody likes to wait. For anything, really. But especially us phone geeks when it comes to the newest software. It's like pure torture, and it leads to crack flashing and endless tweaking of our devices. Oh the hours lost trying to find the perfect combination of the latest cutting edge Android version and the function we want. There's always an annoying bug like severe battery drain, GPS failure, or poorly calibrated colors & audio. And while we again WAIT for another update to fix it, we flash away. Complaining the entire time about how we have to wait for another update.
But I've come to realize something. I already love my phone. Stock, right out of the box. It works perfectly. Everything I need, with no time wasted on trying to make it "better". Why should I care what number is after the decimal in my Android version? I don't. Because I'd rather wait until they make sure my phone experience won't diminish, that it will only improve when I update it. Maybe it's HTC that made me feel like this with the One. Maybe all the top tier phones are so good now, it doesn't matter if it's a Nexus. Or vanilla Android at all for that matter.
All I know is right now, my phone is perfect. And I'd hate to ruin that just because of a little decimal change in my software bragging rights. I'll wait. Take your time HTC, take your time T-Mobile.
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Really dude?
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Just remove the stupid 3 dot menu and I'll stop complaining. Really though I would prefer a first party eqs than the one I'm using now. And no I don't want to mess with rooting or roms as work email doesn't work with root.
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s10shane said:
i just want 4.2.2. i came from a nexus 4, so i'm so use to pulling down the notification bar with two fingers and accessing the little toggles right then and there. or pulling down my notification bar with one finger and being able to expand some notifications like emails so i can see more then one at a time.
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I had the Nexus as well. Those are small trade offs for the features of this phone. Besides it's coming lol
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I feel like I can wait but why did htc chose no notification toggles is weird because all the other top phones got that but it's ok they are ugly phones lol
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I had the Nexus as well. Those are small trade offs for the features of this phone. Besides it's coming lol
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yeah that is true. but i can wait. im in no hurry. this phone is fantastic the way it is now. :highfive:
Have to say I agree with op. I have come hmback to complete stock 2 times. Infused a few roms and there was just something about them that wasn't working just right. Tried 4.3 and it was blah . Missed out on the stock features I'm staying stock also.
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I returned to stock myself but I wouldn't say I actually enjoy the slow updates. I just don't enjoy custom ROM's as much as I used to. I prefer the genuine stability of what comes from the factory. Although, there are some features (a few actually) that I can't wait to receive with the 4.2 update.
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Funny XDA & all these One owners staying stock. Me too! This is my first truly problem free smartphone as in nothing, none, not one issue(other then the black menu bar) but I know it days are limited so I can wait. But they finally got a phone so right that even XDA members are going stock that's an accomplishment
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I ordered the Z Ultra GPe from Expansys for 334.99 w/ free shipping. It's being delivered tomorrow. I didn't do much research on the difference between the GPe and the Sony version. From what I'm seeing now, most people are saying the Sony version is the way to go. I've been using a Nexus 4 since it was released and I've been completely happy with it. I'm not really into rooting/flashing/custom ROMs anymore. The white c6806 is 349.99 with a free SD card and shipping at B&H Photo. I thought about ordering that and just sending the GPe back to Expansys without ever opening it. Am I really going to be missing much from the Sony version aside from the color (I would have preferred white but I'll have a case on it anyway)? I know there are some Sony apps and such that people find useful on the Sony version. Is that about it?
If you are happy with the nexus then you will like the gpe
You will be happy when the GPE gets the KitKat Lollipop before the Xperia series. Well have to wait for Z3, Z2 and Z1 to get em then the Ultra. I use to have the nexus 5 and I got so use to quick updates and I assume you would have the same itch.
I'm also a recently new GPE owner coming from the N4. Same deal on Expansys, btw :good:
I've been quite happy with it, overall. Definitely no regrets, but as a self-proclaimed flashaholic, I must admit that I'm a bit disappointed in the lack of development on the GPE. Then again, I've always been a big fan of AOSP. Nexus, GPE, or otherwise - I always find myself using a stock-ish ROM. That said, if you liked stock Android on the Nexus 4, you'll feel right at home with the GPE. If you're not intending to root or flash custom ROMs, the GPE is probably the better choice in your case, IMO.
Bloodflame said:
I'm also a recently new GPE owner coming from the N4. Same deal on Expansys, btw :good:
I've been quite happy with it, overall. Definitely no regrets, but as a self-proclaimed flashaholic, I must admit that I'm a bit disappointed in the lack of development on the GPE. Then again, I've always been a big fan of AOSP. Nexus, GPE, or otherwise - I always find myself using a stock-ish ROM. That said, if you liked stock Android on the Nexus 4, you'll feel right at home with the GPE. If you're not intending to root or flash custom ROMs, the GPE is probably the better choice in your case, IMO.
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I've had it two days now and I'm really happy with it. Its exactly what I wanted. A bigger, faster nexus 4 with more storage. Great deal too. I'm glad I didn't second guess myself. I'm not really into flashing much anymore and I love stock android so it worked out.
big_aug said:
I've had it two days now and I'm really happy with it. Its exactly what I wanted. A bigger, faster nexus 4 with more storage. Great deal too. I'm glad I didn't second guess myself. I'm not really into flashing much anymore and I love stock android so it worked out.
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Rooting is a pretty simple chore, which would allow the use of xposed modules. If you haven't looked into them you may be surprised at the amount of customization it will allow.
adfurgerson said:
Rooting is a pretty simple chore, which would allow the use of xposed modules. If you haven't looked into them you may be surprised at the amount of customization it will allow.
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I'm not familiar with xposed. I haven't rooted anything since my Nexus One. What general benefits am I going to gain if you don't mind answering?
big_aug said:
I'm not familiar with xposed. I haven't rooted anything since my Nexus One. What general benefits am I going to gain if you don't mind answering?
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There are tons of "modules" that work with xposed "framework", some that I use are.
1. Advanced power menu- gives reboot options plus screenshot from power button.
2. Xperia/AOSP NAVBAR BUTTONS- allows up to four soft buttons with custom icons and ability to reorder them.
3.NlpUnbounce- sets longer interval for location services scanning.
4.Gravity Box- change battery icon and use center clock with day of week ( has way more functions but that's what I use)
Others I have tried are.
1. Tabletkat - gives tablet UI.
2. Xblast-tweaks and customizing.
That doesn't even scratch the surface of what is available.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/modules
Edit... Have a look at the index sticky thread at top of forum for an idea of what it has to offer.
Edit #2.... From my experience uninstalled framework reverts everything to stock allowing you to take ota updates then reinstalling after rooting will bring back your setup.
I have the non-gpe version and am always thinking that it could perform a little faster if i could just turn ART (android run time) on for better compiled applications. However the sony version just doesnt have that option. I personally dont care about ANY of the custom Sony apps except their keyboard with number keys row and found the camera apps fun overlays very amusing but stopped using them.. im very close to flashing the device and took stock of what i will be losing and for me it would be those two things. I just want to get rid of some of the lag that im experiencing or perhaps i need to wait for android L to arrive.
The xperia KB can be installed I believe or I use the hacker's KB