Started along my Android journey 2 weeks ago by selling my.iPhone 4 and buying a Motorola milestone 2 phone and now a HTC flyer 3g.
sorta got used to the hardware buttons on the flyer. will HC remove their functionality completely or is it likely to come back at some stage? does anyone know why they have been removed?
thanks
Hardware buttons are not able to be used in hc by Google's design. Will have to stick with GB or wait till ICS if you want them back.
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thanks for the answer. what noticeable benefits with HC? I I might stay with GB as I really like the hardware buttons
Just flashed hc and really like so far, the os is much better for tablets, can also use the pen everywhere!
There is a bottom bar instead of hw buttons, and this is fine in portrait mode (which is best for flyer generally), but is more noticable in landscape. I haven't watched any vids yet to know how it affects those
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Not likely they will be back in HC since they are redundant with the on screen system bar which cannot be removed. Use it for a few days and you will forget the hard buttons were even there.
Hardware buttons are removed from Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich) as well so I doubt they will be back. Not sure if it is possible for a Developer to make them work on a custom ROM or not. I have been trying ICS on my Evo and my buttons work.
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Hardware buttons are removed from Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich) as well so I doubt they will be back. Not sure if it is possible for a Developer to make them work on a custom ROM or not. I have been trying ICS on my Evo and my buttons work.
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I'm pretty sure that if the hardware buttons are on the device they will be used in ICS instead of the on screen buttons. Why waste screen space with the on screen buttons when you have them built in?
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Gumby63 said:
I'm pretty sure that if the hardware buttons are on the device they will be used in ICS instead of the on screen buttons. Why waste screen space with the on screen buttons when you have them built in?
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I guess what I meant to say was they are starting to move away from hardware buttons altogether.
I think ICS has built-in calls to hide the soft-buttons, HC does not. You won;t be seeing a full working ICS for the Flyer anytime soon though. Not until HTC releases a working ROM or a ICS on a HTC device that is close enough to port.
If HC on the Flyer does not use the capacitive buttons, it is not worth it for me losing about 10% of the display in landscape mode. I will not update and thanks for letting me know! Flyer works great already and a 7" tablet IMO is small enough without losing space.
As far as ICS, it has already been pointed out that OEMs can choose to use the capacitive buttons, if a device has them. Imagine the uproar from people with small phone displays if losing space to a nav bar.
Nexus does this, but has a bigger display, so the actual usable display size minus the fixed nav bar is a tad under 4.3". The buttons are only hidden in ICS during some types of video playback, but apparently nothing else. The bar is always there- just like HC.
Added: Since capacitive buttons can be used, I would expect them to be around longer, since cheaper to put capacitive buttons, rather than bigger displays: Also better on battery life.
You do not have to lose the space and get much more back in return
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I'm trying to understand the negative view on the Honeycomb bar. It replaces the system bar, which we have at the top of the screen now, so we don't loose much, right? Perhaps a few more pixels, but...that's it, right?
I do like the hardware buttons, but its not like we're going from no status bar to a huge one; we're going from a smaller one to a slightly larger one with more functionality.
Or am I missing something?
Your not missing anything people are making something out of nearly nothing and are ignoring the drastic user interface improvements. The only time I use honeybar to remove honeycomb bar is if watching videos. Now if I wanted to use my flyer as a phone. That is a different story
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Not seeing how it is something out of nothing, since you lose more than 10% of display space in landscape mode- it is taken by the nav bar. The same one on my Thrive, except it is a 10" display, so not as bad.
Before updating, check out the Acer 7" and see if you like it. I found it cramp and appreciate the extra display space on the Flyer with GB. ICS can use the capacitive buttons and not use the nav bar, but HC can not.
All up to choice. I choose to not have a smaller display on an already small 7" tablet, since the Flyer already has nav buttons. Eveybody else can knock themselves out and enjoy HC Added: As far as rooting to get a work around, my Flyer works great as is, so not risking the root process- Flyer rocks.
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NookFan said:
I'm trying to understand the negative view on the Honeycomb bar. It replaces the system bar, which we have at the top of the screen now, so we don't loose much, right? Perhaps a few more pixels, but...that's it, right?
I do like the hardware buttons, but its not like we're going from no status bar to a huge one; we're going from a smaller one to a slightly larger one with more functionality.
Or am I missing something?
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I wish that were the case than you are right- no problem. Thing is the bars in GB go away when playing a game, surfing (if you choose to) or watching a movie. The bar does NOT go away with HC. The buttons darken, but the big bar is still there and over 10% of the display is gone for good.
Incorrect if you use honeybar
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NookFan said:
I'm trying to understand the negative view on the Honeycomb bar. It replaces the system bar, which we have at the top of the screen now, so we don't loose much, right? Perhaps a few more pixels, but...that's it, right?
I do like the hardware buttons, but its not like we're going from no status bar to a huge one; we're going from a smaller one to a slightly larger one with more functionality.
Or am I missing something?
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This is the reason..
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Incorrect if you use honeybar
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But need to be rooted to use it. If simple like the Incredible, Droid 3 and Razr, no problem, but the process seems too risky when the Flyer already performs great for me. No need to rock the boat and no need to lose display space to a nav bar.
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I guess when full-screen is no longer really full-screen, I get it. Thanks for the info. I am looking forward to Honeycomb, though...
I might as well whine in here too....
I really really really want at least one hardware (physical) button on the front of device. I don't get it why all manufacturers decided that there is no real need for it. Take the damn ipad for example: that thing is easy to turn on with the front button. I used to have old android phone with Green and Red phone buttons and it was so comfortable to turn on the phone using them. When I upgraded to Galaxy S, man I have missed those... got used to power button with time because device is small. With flyer and other tablets it is a bit different story. It lays on my desk and I have to use two hands to turn on the damn thing. One hand to hold the device, another to push the power button. It is a small thing, but it is quite uncomfortable.
Back to the topic... For those in doubt.. HC upgrade is worth it. You're not loosing much, but overall HC is better IMHO.
Does anybody know a good task manager/killer for HC that maybe integrates with multitasking preview (I know that I'm not supposed to use it... blah...blah...blah...)?
You can use any of the 10 or so task killers on the market, they will all work just as poorly as any for HC. As you have pointed out, not needed and will adversely affect your performance / battery if you try to automate it.
If your device is on the desk, plugged in, just set the display to never time out and you never need to turn it back on....
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I know I read that kernel sources are not yet released for this to happen, is that still the case ? I really miss my buttons on the view, I`m cool with everything else, but I keep pressing it.
Ok I guess I have to be a bit more clear I'm reffering to HC on view and how the disabled hardware buttons and I was told we need kernel source in order to do this
Yes, if you visit http://htcdev.com/devcenter/downloads
You will see that only kernels for Gingerbread are released.
So no go on the buttons ? Life is so much easier with them
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yozh said:
So no go on the buttons ? Life is so much easier with them
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That's one reason I'm not going to apply the Honeycomb update to my Flyer. I like the touch buttons on the bezel and those would be lost if I apply the Honeycomb update. Gingerbread is running very well, I will just keep it at that for now.
HW buttons are the main reason why i went back to GB, you also lose screen real estate with HC. But the pen works everywhere on HC. But the main thing is you lose 1/2 inch of screen space for HC buttons.
Yeah HC is not bad and ability to use pen everywhere is great. But I do want the buttons back
Honestly I really don't mind the buttons being missing. I think its cool that HTC put 2 sets of them, and pretty much made they completly invisible when you aren't using them, but honeycomb doesn't need them so why should they be there?
Cor-master said:
Honestly I really don't mind the buttons being missing. I think its cool that HTC put 2 sets of them, and pretty much made they completly invisible when you aren't using them, but honeycomb doesn't need them so why should they be there?
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Yeah it needs it. It would be much better with out the bar !
The bar is a bit annoying. I really figured google had come up with a way for the bar to not display when the whole screen was needed. Guess not. Fail.
Really its not hard to fix it either. Simply just make the bar appear when you hit the volume rocker. Hopefully ICS fixed this.
You can have the HW buttons on HC if you are rooted and are using a rom that alows you so. I hate the new bar, but it's a price i'm willing to pay to have the pen working everywhere.
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You can have the HW buttons on HC if you are rooted and are using a rom that alows you so. I hate the new bar, but it's a price i'm willing to pay to have the pen working everywhere.
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Not on the view yet, sadly. HTC still hasn't released the honeycomb source (unless they did this weekend, and no one mentioned it yet)
Ok firstly, a little intro. I have been using this forums for awhile, but i hardly post, kinda new to tablets, only had a fake one before that ran 2.2 Froyo. Anyway, i got the flyer for just less than 5 months or so and when i bought it, it already had Honeycomb 3.2 on.
I never really got to test GB or anything, im currently running LeeDroids HC rom. After browsing around the forums i keep seeing threads like "Honeycomb sucks" etc etc, can any1 tell me why specifically? Is GB Smoother? what about pen usage etc. Please no random answers that don't have a basis.
Ok and finally, just a random Q, LeeDroid's rom enabled GSM calls for the flyer, agen, noob at tablets so the only way i found to make a call is to save the contact first and then dial it, How do i load prepaid data and airtime onto the tablet without switching sims with my phone?
Any help would be appreciated thanks.
You should have a dialer when selecting phone or you can get the dialer widget
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Thanks for the reply, but in my Phone app, i can type a number, but i only have an option to save it, once i save it i can make a call from there, however this doesn't work with service numbers that contain * or # . I tried downloading a dialer app, this one has a phone button, but wen i use it, it says telephone not supported on this device.
Inside Leedroid hc v4.3.0 the is a default dialer widget that workers for me
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Ok firstly, a little intro. I have been using this forums for awhile, but i hardly post, kinda new to tablets, only had a fake one before that ran 2.2 Froyo. Anyway, i got the flyer for just less than 5 months or so and when i bought it, it already had Honeycomb 3.2 on.
I never really got to test GB or anything, im currently running LeeDroids HC rom. After browsing around the forums i keep seeing threads like "Honeycomb sucks" etc etc, can any1 tell me why specifically? Is GB Smoother? what about pen usage etc. Please no random answers that don't have a basis.
Ok and finally, just a random Q, LeeDroid's rom enabled GSM calls for the flyer, agen, noob at tablets so the only way i found to make a call is to save the contact first and then dial it, How do i load prepaid data and airtime onto the tablet without switching sims with my phone?
Any help would be appreciated thanks.
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GB seems to be a bit better on resources and is smoother than HC (at least on mine). HC has a different interface which some find to be better for a tablet (I do) and has more support for pen functions (most the really good pen apps won't run on GB). There are numerous users who have trouble with GPS when using an HC rom.
That is about all I can say without stating opinions supporting either side.
Well, my phone GPS seems to be better than the flyer's so im ok with that, thanks for the response, appreciate it. Looks like il stay on honeycomb, just installed CoolHoney 3d, its smoother than normal, not as smooth as ICS tho. Thanks again.
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Well, my phone GPS seems to be better than the flyer's so im ok with that, thanks for the response, appreciate it. Looks like il stay on honeycomb, just installed CoolHoney 3d, its smoother than normal, not as smooth as ICS tho. Thanks again.
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I'm using the CoolHoney 3D, as well. It is a keeper.
Flyer hc vs gb
First off i had both GB and HC on my flyer and i can tell you there is a big difference between them. Since your flyer came with HC you wouldn't know that GB allowed you to have more screens than the 5 that you now control. In other instances While on GB my battery literally lasted a whole week on one charge. For some reason HC caused me to continue to charge my flyer [i was doing the same hing that i was while on GB]. GB runs smooth for a phone update, but doesn't seem like it's for tablets. HC {in my case} allowed me to download a lot more apps then i could with GB.I don't know how it is for you but HC causes a significant drop in Wifi capability on my Flyer and was laggy most of the time. A good thing about HC is that it allows you to use the scribe to it's fullest by using it as a stylus in apps {for example some games allow you to use the scribe like you would a mouse},can use it to turn your flyer to a notebook {with the right apps of course {quill, lecture notes, notes}.
i hope this helps.
I've usen GB and HC, too, but switched back to GB (caused a whole day of work ). I have to say, that I am using just Original-ROMs, because I use it for taking notes at the University.
Pros GB:
-The smallest Pen in the PDF-App is much thinner than in HC
-Working Buttons (Home, Menu, Back)
-Green design (sounds stupid, but I like green much more than the blue design of Anroid 3+)
Pros HC:
-Bigger Homescreens
-System-wide Pen support
Really want to try GB, but few things first
Does the pen ONLY work in HTC Notes app?
ima kinda confused at this, i know honeycomb lets you use it in games and stuff, but what about apps like papyrus? It asks if you have a HTC flyer pen, you can enable and disable it.
According to your post, i take it that quill and lecture notes doesn't work in GB with the pen, although i do find myself using the stock notes app more, mainly because of the combination of typing and writing, which i want. Also what about Polaris office? It allows you to use your pen... well in HC, what about GB?
Does the pen ONLY work in HTC Notes app?
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No, it works in Notes, PDF-Viewer, eBook-Viewer, the Album. And if you tap on the screen in another App, it makes a screenshot, on which you can draw something.
(Last option is disengageable.)
ima kinda confused at this, i know honeycomb lets you use it in games and stuff, but what about apps like papyrus? It asks if you have a HTC flyer pen, you can enable and disable it.
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Do you mean "Papyrus Ex"? I've tried it right now: Nothing. It asks for a path, but not for a pen. I haven't found an App, which allows Scribe-Support on GB, I belive its a HC-Only Feature.
I love the Stock Notes App. Do you have an Evernote-Account? If not, give it a try. The only thing that I am missing is a checkered background. That whould be great!
Polaris Office is preinstalled, but the pen just takes a picture.
Its probably not what you think.
Battery is superb.
The screen, OMG its nice.
Phone is smooth as butter, despite heavy Sense.
Build quality is great.
However, so many games that I truly enjoy and have purchased do not work. The legacy menu button on so many apps eats screen real estate, and it is ridiculous.
I am aware that these aren't really the phone's fault entirely, but if the phone isn't a big seller, developers are going to drag their feet. That means we see fixes in months and in smartphone years, that's ancient.
So while I believe software will catch up, it will be later when 1080p becomes more mainstream. By that time, I am looking for another phone. So why do I want to suffer with incompatibilities?
Please don't tell me to sideload my stuff; I am getting incompatibility messages on launch as well.
As for the legacy menu, this is a two-fold problem.
1. Developers are lazy and not updating to Android standards like they should.
2. There is an abundance of false legacy menus.
The first issue needs to be fixed by app devs, period. The second one baffles me. I have a Galaxy Nexus. Not one of my apps has a legacy menu in it because if they did I wouldn't use it. Yet, my phone doesn't have a menu key either.
However, I am getting legacy menus, even in some games. What is worse, these menus don't work, or they replicate a clickable menu in the game. Why??? My Galaxy Nexus didn't have that issue. I can't even enjoy the screen to its full potential with legacy menus. I am aware I can mod this myself, but that isn't the point.
I know they are small nitpicks, but I think the screen in all its awesomeness might kill it for me as well with incompatibilities. I am not naive enough to believe that these will be cleared up any time soon.
The little black bar on the bottom doesn't bother me at all. I barely notice it. Just another one of those "opinions will vary" things.
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adrynalyne said:
The second one baffles me. I have a Galaxy Nexus. Not one of my apps has a legacy menu in it because if they did I wouldn't use it. Yet, my phone doesn't have a menu key either.
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The fact that this exists is kind of odd. When the One X(s) launched they had the same set up and it was even more annoying having less screen real estate to work with. HTC fixed it in the 4.0.3>4.0.4 update a couple of months ago. Basically, the recent apps capacitive button became a toggle. You were given three options:
1) As-is; launch recent apps
2) Long-press=recent apps, short-press=settings
3) Long-press=settings; short-press=recent apps
Check out the Teg3 One X dev forum. You should be able to find a solution you can port there.
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Here's what the menu looks like...
Ironically, HTC removed that option for the DNA.
It finally pushed me overboard. The app compatibility, that is. I returned the DNA. I got tired of playing Russian roulette with app purchases and wondering if I was going to run into a problem.
adrynalyne said:
Ironically, HTC removed that option for the DNA.
It finally pushed me overboard. The app compatibility, that is. I returned the DNA.
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VZW seems to enjoy butchering their devices from stock. There's a ton "enhancements" they made to the N2 that really don't make any sense. S-Planner is one of the coolest and most functional S-Pen enabled apps and they removed it and have Google Calendar set as the default. They also made the Wi-Fi notification toggle in to a Wi-Fi monitor so you have to go in to settings manually to turn Wi-Fi off and on. The N2 has a call and MMS blocking tool that they disabled also. Odd.
I agree about the menu button; it would have been better if it only took a small screen estate on either corners at the bottom instead.
As for compatibility issue, I have not yet came across that problem...well probably because I do not play any games. I'm sure many apps will start to optimize for the 1080p resolution, now that we have it on the phone.
I have been using Samsung Fascinate ever since it came out...even with the minimal level of developer support before it boomed with tons of roms, I had no problem using it for all of my essential needs. People usually assume that outdated devices are incapable of handling most tasks, but I think a single core is enough to cover a smartphone's functionalities. I bought the DNA because its spec somewhat overkills the current smartphone standards to the extent where it will be enough for another three or five years.
Technology will only continue to advance without ever having a "Peak", so I wouldn't stress over playing the waiting game for the next new thing to come out. Well, that's just me of course
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I'm sure many apps will start to optimize for the 1080p resolution, now that we have it on the phone.
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Now that a 1080P phone has hit the market you can expect the spec wars to continue. The rumored SGS4 is supposed to have a 1080P display as well as an unannounced LG phone. People with the N10 are having the same issue. So it'll get resolved in time it's a matter of whether you're willing to wait.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Smartphones-1080p-Screen-Retina-Display-HD,18639.html
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Now that a 1080P phone has hit the market you can expect the spec wars to continue. The rumored SGS4 is supposed to have a 1080P display as well as an unannounced LG phone. People with the N10 are having the same issue. So it'll get resolved in time it's a matter of whether you're willing to wait.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Smartphones-1080p-Screen-Retina-Display-HD,18639.html
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The only issue is that those 1080p phones won't hit the mainstream market until April-May timeframe. This even further emphasizes the fact that DNA is the phone from the future... As an early adopter, I'm loving it!
Sorry to hear you returned the phone, it was great having you in this forum. Enjoy your alternative phone choice!
I am also disappointed with game incompatibility, but keeping the DNA as I don't play that much. My son was upset about angry birds star wars turning up as a black screen though.
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cowisland said:
Sorry to hear you returned the phone, it was great having you in this forum. Enjoy your alternative phone choice!
I am also disappointed with game incompatibility, but keeping the DNA as I don't play that much. My son was upset about angry birds star wars turning up as a black screen though.
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Thank you for the kind words.
I really hope the device takes off. It has a ton of untapped potential.
I don't really game so I haven't come across any applications that don't work on this device. My two primary applications, however, are Facebook and Twitter...and the menu bar at the bottom is just a straight up pain in the ass. I don't understand why they couldn't either 1) add capacitive menu button or 2) do the menu buttons like the Galaxy S3/Note 2 etc. It just seems like an awful design decision to me, and I'm surprised more reviews didn't pick up on it.
It's things like this that lends to consumers thinking that Android lacks the 'polish' of iOS. I know it's not Android's fault by design, but the average consumer doesn't tend to care about AOSP vs. Sense, etc.
HTC completely changing sense on every update is baffling. They are so terrified of their market loss that it appears they have zero confidence.
And what happened to the button remap mod in 4.1? Gone.
I think this may be my last HTC phone if they don't get their **** together
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Thank you for the kind words.
I really hope the device takes off. It has a ton of untapped potential.
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You are definitely one of the most refreshing people that post here. I hope to see you around from time to time
Definitely admire your choice. I feel like the DNA is the better phone for me, but then again, I don't do any gaming. And the Note 2, with its screen size, S pen, memory and massive battery make it a good choice for you my friend. I wish I could own both.
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sorry to hear you returned it. When I seen your name on these forums I was excited because I always loved your work. I understand though
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Its probably not what you think.
Battery is superb.
The screen, OMG its nice.
Phone is smooth as butter, despite heavy Sense.
Build quality is great.
However, so many games that I truly enjoy and have purchased do not work. The legacy menu button on so many apps eats screen real estate, and it is ridiculous.
I am aware that these aren't really the phone's fault entirely, but if the phone isn't a big seller, developers are going to drag their feet. That means we see fixes in months and in smartphone years, that's ancient.
So while I believe software will catch up, it will be later when 1080p becomes more mainstream. By that time, I am looking for another phone. So why do I want to suffer with incompatibilities?
Please don't tell me to sideload my stuff; I am getting incompatibility messages on launch as well.
As for the legacy menu, this is a two-fold problem.
1. Developers are lazy and not updating to Android standards like they should.
2. There is an abundance of false legacy menus.
The first issue needs to be fixed by app devs, period. The second one baffles me. I have a Galaxy Nexus. Not one of my apps has a legacy menu in it because if they did I wouldn't use it. Yet, my phone doesn't have a menu key either.
However, I am getting legacy menus, even in some games. What is worse, these menus don't work, or they replicate a clickable menu in the game. Why??? My Galaxy Nexus didn't have that issue. I can't even enjoy the screen to its full potential with legacy menus. I am aware I can mod this myself, but that isn't the point.
I know they are small nitpicks, but I think the screen in all its awesomeness might kill it for me as well with incompatibilities. I am not naive enough to believe that these will be cleared up any time soon.
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You are definitely one of the most refreshing people that post here. I hope to see you around from time to time
Definitely admire your choice. I feel like the DNA is the better phone for me, but then again, I don't do any gaming. And the Note 2, with its screen size, S pen, memory and massive battery make it a good choice for you my friend. I wish I could own both.
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I think he's holding out for the next group of super phones.
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Its probably not what you think.
Battery is superb.
The screen, OMG its nice.
Phone is smooth as butter, despite heavy Sense.
Build quality is great.
However, so many games that I truly enjoy and have purchased do not work. The legacy menu button on so many apps eats screen real estate, and it is ridiculous.
I know they are small nitpicks, but I think the screen in all its awesomeness might kill it for me as well with incompatibilities. I am not naive enough to believe that these will be cleared up any time soon.
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Wow, this post was spot on! I'm an android newbie and DNA is my fist phone without the menu button. So all this time I'm seeing these 3 dots at the bottom taking up precious real estate and I JUST signed up in this forum so that I could ask what is it and how to remove it. I'm glad I found this thread cause I've about reached the point where I'm ready to return this phone back!!
Let me ask you this, do you think it will better? Also in the end I didn't get it, is it the apps fault or is it HTC sense that's at fault for not letting us have a choice. Also one final question, are there any other mods that allow you to change the setting, making the recent apps button act like a settings buttion?
and lastly THANK you for sharing my frustration! At least I know I'm not alone or crazy for being so annoyed that I'm losing at least .3 of an inch. What's the point of advertizing that it's a 5" phone then?!
this phone will get better with time .. it hasn't been out that long , nor has the unlock... The devs are starting to rip it apart , and then the fun starts
My HTC DNA
Damented said:
sorry to hear you returned it. When I seen your name on these forums I was excited because I always loved your work. I understand though
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I don't believe he returned it yet.
Yeah I use to run your kernels on the Dinc adrynalyne
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Wow, this post was spot on! I'm an android newbie and DNA is my fist phone without the menu button. So all this time I'm seeing these 3 dots at the bottom taking up precious real estate and I JUST signed up in this forum so that I could ask what is it and how to remove it. I'm glad I found this thread cause I've about reached the point where I'm ready to return this phone back!!
Let me ask you this, do you think it will better? Also in the end I didn't get it, is it the apps fault or is it HTC sense that's at fault for not letting us have a choice. Also one final question, are there any other mods that allow you to change the setting, making the recent apps button act like a settings buttion?
and lastly THANK you for sharing my frustration! At least I know I'm not alone or crazy for being so annoyed that I'm losing at least .3 of an inch. What's the point of advertizing that it's a 5" phone then?!
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Note: it can be fixed through root and mods. HTC may patch it as well eventually.
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this phone will get better with time .. it hasn't been out that long , nor has the unlock... The devs are starting to rip it apart , and then the fun starts
My HTC DNA
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Oh I know. The menu thing was fixable. It was the app compatibility that made me decide.
Now I understand that I'm in a DNA forum, but am trying to get some responses from people who have made the switch. I love the amount of Roms and customization that I have with my s3. I can get 4 hours of screen time easy.
I'm just trying to see what in comparison to the S3 I'll be getting. I know the resolution is better and the quad vs. Dual processor etc.
Just trying to see what you all liked better after making the switch.
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Now I understand that I'm in a DNA forum, but am trying to get some responses from people who have made the switch. I love the amount of Roms and customization that I have with my s3. I can get 4 hours of screen time easy.
I'm just trying to see what in comparison to the S3 I'll be getting. I know the resolution is better and the quad vs. Dual processor etc.
Just trying to see what you all liked better after making the switch.
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battery, definitely better on dna. I'm at 65% right now with over 2 hours of screen on time. And this is with full brightness watching yt and playing games.
as you mentioned the screen and processor are better, and this definitely shows. I rarely see a loading screen and games look amazing and can run maxed out no problem
touchwiz vs sense. This is really for you to decide, sense is more polished, professional looking, and customizable on stock, but you loose features of touchwiz
But honestly, it is a decision for you to make. I recommend checking out some comparison videos on youtube
To be honest the battery was scaring me. I had a rezound and that thing was horrible. I don't use touchwiz cause I'm running aokp. I love flashing new ROMs and am scared there aren't going to be many since HTC likes to lock their phones down. I've never been a big fan of sense. I guess I could just install another launcher.
How about the size comparison. I know the specs are almost the same with the DNA a tad thicker.
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To be honest the battery was scaring me. I had a rezound and that thing was horrible. I don't use touchwiz cause I'm running aokp. I love flashing new ROMs and am scared there aren't going to be many since HTC likes to lock their phones down. I've never been a big fan of sense. I guess I could just install another launcher.
How about the size comparison. I know the specs are almost the same with the DNA a tad thicker.
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although the dna is thicker on paper, it feels thinner because of how it is curved
ive had both.
s3 has more options. more roms. easier to unlock.
screen is fancier on the dna.
battery and sd card are up to you. i dont use much space or have ever switched out batteries so im ok.
hugest things for me right now are sense. it does NOT have as many options. it is NOT as polished, imo. its cluttered and illogical compared to the s3. youll see!
for example, no toggles in the status bar. and no options in the settings for it.
HUGEST gripe and a deal breaker if i cant easily root this thing soon (which is another problem. theyre still using adb.) its that the menu key doesnt bring up the menu. it brings up the latest apps. and you cant reroute it. its not in the settings. seriously wtf were they thinking?
and it gets worse. not only does it not work and you cant change it, but to allow you to use the menu in apps, what do they do? THEY PUT HUGE BAR on the screen!!!
its kinda like seeing a really really hot girl who has as all this style and all...and then you realize shes utterly crazy. or its like getting a porche and they take out the steering wheel and replace it with an atari 2600 joystick!
if i cant root this and thus fix this crap fast im taking it back.
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ive had both.
s3 has more options. more roms. easier to unlock.
screen is fancier on the dna.
battery and sd card are up to you. i dont use much space or have ever switched out batteries so im ok.
hugest things for me right now are sense. it does NOT have as many options. it is NOT as polished, imo. its cluttered and illogical compared to the s3. youll see!
for example, no toggles in the status bar. and no options in the settings for it.
HUGEST gripe and a deal breaker if i cant easily root this thing soon (which is another problem. theyre still using adb.) its that the menu key doesnt bring up the menu. it brings up the latest apps. and you cant reroute it. its not in the settings. seriously wtf were they thinking?
and it gets worse. not only does it not work and you cant change it, but to allow you to use the menu in apps, what do they do? THEY PUT HUGE BAR on the screen!!!
its kinda like seeing a really really hot girl who has as all this style and all...and then you realize shes utterly crazy. or its like getting a porche and they take out the steering wheel and replace it with an atari 2600 joystick!
if i cant root this and thus fix this crap fast im taking it back.
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rooting the dna is not hard, if it's to much of a pain to use adb return it and get a iphone. everything you pointed out is nit-picking.
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ive had both.
s3 has more options. more roms. easier to unlock.
screen is fancier on the dna.
battery and sd card are up to you. i dont use much space or have ever switched out batteries so im ok.
hugest things for me right now are sense. it does NOT have as many options. it is NOT as polished, imo. its cluttered and illogical compared to the s3. youll see!
for example, no toggles in the status bar. and no options in the settings for it.
HUGEST gripe and a deal breaker if i cant easily root this thing soon (which is another problem. theyre still using adb.) its that the menu key doesnt bring up the menu. it brings up the latest apps. and you cant reroute it. its not in the settings. seriously wtf were they thinking?
and it gets worse. not only does it not work and you cant change it, but to allow you to use the menu in apps, what do they do? THEY PUT HUGE BAR on the screen!!!
its kinda like seeing a really really hot girl who has as all this style and all...and then you realize shes utterly crazy. or its like getting a porche and they take out the steering wheel and replace it with an atari 2600 joystick!
if i cant root this and thus fix this crap fast im taking it back.
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1. If you don't know how to use adb you shouldn't even bother with rooting. Just watch the "how to" video at the same time as you're unlocking it. It's pretty damn simple.
2. The menu button you speak of is easily fixed if you root and put a custom rom on your phone. All of the current roms allow you to reroute the recent button to menu/recents, which would get rid of the menu bar on the screen.
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hugest things for me right now are sense. it does NOT have as many options. it is NOT as polished, imo. its cluttered and illogical compared to the s3. youll see!
for example, no toggles in the status bar. and no options in the settings for it.
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that is really the only example. Other than that sense is far more polished and professional, touchwiz looks cartoonish
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HUGEST gripe and a deal breaker if i cant easily root this thing soon (which is another problem. theyre still using adb.)
if i cant root this and thus fix this crap fast im taking it back.
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you can root the dna, and its not too hard either. If youre scared of using adb then go get an iphone
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the menu key doesnt bring up the menu. it brings up the latest apps. and you cant reroute it. its not in the settings. seriously wtf were they thinking?
and it gets worse. not only does it not work and you cant change it, but to allow you to use the menu in apps, what do they do? THEY PUT HUGE BAR on the screen!!!
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thats not a menu button. As per android conventions there is a back, home, and recent apps button(I have no clue what samsung was thinking with their devices with their weird layout). Is it annoying that they took out the option to remap it, sure, but thats what rooting is for. And that black bar only shows up in apps that arent up to ics conventions, so yea, not that big of a deal in the first place.
and that 'hugh' bar, yea thats not htc's doing, its googles
Just so you guys know let's lay some facts out here
1 adb should be a skill before rooting phones like stated above you shouldn't be messing with a phone until you're comfortable with fastboot and adb
2. Verizon dictated the specs not HTC....god knows why Verizon didn't want a remap option available ....
3. My friend has the DNA and my father has the s3... If you're looking for aosp based roms samsung may be you're choice ....I have the one xl and cm10 runs beautifully on it but it's a tad behind other devices....sense grows on you after a while you'll see
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Was going to add that the DNA' s screen is amazing though the s3 is still an amazing.device which I'd take any day
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Now I understand that I'm in a DNA forum, but am trying to get some responses from people who have made the switch. I love the amount of Roms and customization that I have with my s3. I can get 4 hours of screen time easy.
I'm just trying to see what in comparison to the S3 I'll be getting. I know the resolution is better and the quad vs. Dual processor etc.
Just trying to see what you all liked better after making the switch.
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You spend so much time looking at your phone's screen, shouldnt you enjoy every second of it
but the batter is a good 30% lower then GS3
cheers
Thanks for all the replies. I really do like my Samsung. And since I'm a crack flasher I'll prolly just keep this. I love to try out new software and I'm really hooked on cm10 which I don't think is going to be available on the DNA.
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I have S3 to compare. International version. The battery life is just a bit better on DNA. The screen, no need to say. Voice quality - HTC is much louder, clear speaker. Network reception quality is better on HTC. Both phones work on GSM. S3 running stock JB, DNA is running ROM. Design, for me DNA is much better designed. Plus, wireless charger is very useful on work desk.
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I am able to upgrade from the Rezound to either of these phones (or anything else for that matter). I am up in the air about it. The Galaxy S3 has a big community from what I can see. The only thing that scares me about the DNA is whether the community will be there. The Rezound community is always bickering at each other and every time I turn around, we loose another developer. I rarely even look at the forum any more because there isn't much going on there. When I had my OG Droid Incredible, the community was just flat out kicking ass.
I am going to watch this thread and see if it can help me make up my mind. I may just wait to see what comes out later. Thanks for any more input (and I do realize I'm on a DNA thread).
in my opinion, if you have an s3, i wouldnt make the switch.
the DNA is sweet dont get me wrong, but theres something that still leaves me missing my s3. Sure its only a dual core, but that thing screams. The screen is better on the dna. Not by a ton, but it is better. However, I still prefer the contrast and saturation from super amoled displays. the DNA has superior radios as well. Holds a signal much stronger than the s3. Also, yes, the dev community on the s3 is HUGE as it is a cross carrier phone. I miss that as well. I hate the way sense looks and cant wait to slap an aosp rom on this thing.
I miss the speaker volume from the s3, and Im not a big fan of sense. I actually find that my battery lasted longer on my s3 than it did on this phone.
The power button and charger door flap piss me off as well.
Now dont get me wrong, the DNA is a AWESOME device and Im only nitpicking here. And I will be keeping it. The build quality is superb. But to me, the DNA is not worth the upgrade from the s3 unless you catch a super good deal on one. I managed to get one brand new on Craigslist for 450. I went from a gs3>ip5>DNA, so I just traded my ip5 straight up for a DNA. There are pros and cons to each phone, my advice would be to try them both in store
I went from gs3 to DNA and my biggest worry was battery life,which with identical use between devices has been unfounded. Where I really noticed the difference in the screens was in direct sunlight. The gs3s was hard to see and the DNAs is surprisingly clear. Hopefully a dev community grows here but we've already got some kernel devs. And some stock romsso we are off to a good start. Sweep2wake is awesome. sense does suck (as does touchwhiz imo)
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I personally would wait for a bigger upgrade. I don't see much to be excited about on the DNA if you already have the s3 which is a fantastic phone in itself. I love my DNA, but for you that isn't much of an upgrade IMO.
Thanks for all the responses!! I'm leaning towards keeping my s3. One of the big factors is dev support. There are so many ROMs and tweaks since its a cross carrier phone.
I might just keep looking on craigslist or online for a deal. Plus is just read that the galaxy s4 is dropping in march.
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I apologized if I ignore anything or repeat anything that's been said, but I couldn't make it through the first response.
The DNA is substantially worse in battery life when compared to the S3 during use. I could get 16-20 hours with moderate to heavy usage on the S3. The DNA will give me about 11-13 hours with the same usage. When not in use the DNA does at least hold up to the S3, but surprisingly I've only gone down 13% in the last 6 and a half hours.
I've had the S3 for the past 2 months. I've had the DNA for half a week.
What I liked about the S3 was TouchWiz. Not the look of it, but the features. There are too many to list and most of them are useful. Unlocking/rooting is pretty simple once you understand how to use Odin, and you're good from there.
What I like about the DNA is the size. It's definitely just a large smartphone (compared to my Note 2 which is damn big and requires 2 hands for optimum use), and HTC did a great job keeping the rest of the phone tucked into the screen and keep it super thin. The screen looks fantastic. The software... junk. Sense has nothing to offer other than a style, one that I don't find appealing. I'm dying to get an AOSP based ROM on this thing, AOKP would be awesome. Due to VZW blocking it from being unlocked via HTC Dev by default, rooting it is a long process and if ADB is new to you then you'll have a difficult time. Compared to the S3, there's barely any ROM options.
If I had to pick between the two, I'd have a tough time but I'd probably lean towards the DNA based on the large, nice screen, small size (for it's large screen). If battery is more important, there's a good change the S3 will be better. If size doesn't matter and you've got the extra $100, get the Note 2. Won't regret it.
As for the upgrade being worth it? Not unless you're dead-set on getting a new phone.
My TabZ is running quite smoothly now but I'm very itchy to up it
Just wandering what are the main pros of 4.2.2 specific to the Xperia Tab Z?
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My problem is the phablet UI.
I bought the Tablet Z to have a full 10.1" Tablet experience and not a phablet/smartphone experience.
I might try the update, since I created a FTF file of 4.1.2 there is always a way back right?
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My problem is the phablet UI.
I bought the Tablet Z to have a full 10.1" Tablet experience and not a phablet/smartphone experience.
I might try the update, since I created a FTF file of 4.1.2 there is always a way back right?
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Yep with Flashtool
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nex86 said:
My problem is the phablet UI.
I bought the Tablet Z to have a full 10.1" Tablet experience and not a phablet/smartphone experience.
I might try the update, since I created a FTF file of 4.1.2 there is always a way back right?
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I agree they turn the "Tablet" into a "Phone"
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The update is a bit okay with me. it has toggles in the notification bars for shortcut unlike the old one. Sony just unified the android 4.2.2 experience. hopefully there will be no new bugs comes with the new update.
It makes little sense to update. 4.1.2 works great, while 4.2.2 only brings ****ty phablet UI, removes SmallApps shortcut and seems to impact streaming negatively.
Not looking forward to the loss of additional pixel rows to the second new phablet bar at the top. However I'm definitely not planning to stay at a specific ancient version longer than I have to so I might as well get used to it. If it annoys me too much I'll go scout for unofficial UI patches or roms to remove it.
But why do you want to go away from the so-called "ancient" version?
It does all what one wants, and it does it fast and stable!
Or what do you miss? (Only thing I can understand is when LTE version users want to update because they finally get the exFAT support... although with some research there are other possibilities to get files >4GB on the microSD...)
Sometimes people dismiss something only because it's supposed as "old". I think this is - at least in this case - BS.
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But why do you want to go away from the so-called "ancient" version?
It does all what one wants, and it does it fast and stable!
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But it doesn't, IMHO. It may do all *you* want it to do, sure. But different people have different priorities and desires.
The old version is not receiving any (official) security patches and the new versions are introducing stuff I personally look forward to. Stuff like a modular lockscreen, multiuser functions and later on the priceless possibility to revoke individual app permissions in 4.3+.
No doubt it'll introduce as many new bugs and break old stuff. Everyone has to evaluate for himself if the good outweighs the bad. And if the balance just can't be met, there may still be other ways forward in the form of customized ROMs.
Some people will definitely make the wrong decision at first, realize it and go back. Thankfully they can, with some effort.
I'm not saying that staying at an old version is a bad thing. If you see the full picture of what you're missing (or not missing!) then it's a legit decision to make for yourself.
I am just wondering ... why have they decided to put the navigation buttons in the worst possible place? ...placing them in the middle instead of near the corners means I have to stretch my thumb a lot to press the Back button when using my tablet in landscape mode (which is 99% of the time).
The same happened at the notification bar at the top.
It just seems like they decided to just have one UI, and then just didn't care that the new UI seems very unwieldy to people with a large tablet. And the is coming from a guy with pretty long fingers.
I am not thinking that turning my tablet into a mobile is the way forward. Quite disappointed with that part of the new update, and I just know it will annoy the heck out of me.
It's a google thing .. From 4.2.2 there is no tablet UI
It's a shame about The UI. But I guess it's something you need to get used to. Can't seem to See The logic in that decision. It forces user to operate their tablet one handed. Not terribly well for 10" tabs. Unless it is one as light as XTZ.
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Because the Tablet Z is so light, I just hold it in my left hand and use my right hand for screen touches & typing. So for me having buttons in the middle of the bottom bar is easier and more consistent with my phone.
If you use a launcher like Nova you can hide the top status/notification bar and use gestures to show it (as I do).
In addition to this, now that I'm on CM 10.2 I'm using Pie, so I have no visible navigation bar as well.
Guys, the problem with the >=4.2 layout is not how you can reach best for the soft keys.
The problem is the incredible waste of screen estate by having two bars and one of them (the fatter one at that) being mostly just black with 3 tiny buttons in the middle.
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It's a google thing .. From 4.2.2 there is no tablet UI
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While it may be a AOSP thing that doesn't mean it has to be a Sony thing, each OEM makes their own version of Android and can change pretty much any thing they want to about it. This is just them being lazy with it and not wanting to go through the trouble to change the nav bar to the version we have in 4.1.2.
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While it may be a AOSP thing that doesn't mean it has to be a Sony thing, each OEM makes their own version of Android and can change pretty much any thing they want to about it. This is just them being lazy with it and not wanting to go through the trouble to change the nav bar to the version we have in 4.1.2.
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I have to agree with this. Seems to be pure laziness from Sony's side to not make use of the tablet's extra space.
Does anyone know if there is ROM out there that "fixes" the issue?
For me, holding the tablet in one hand is a no-go. Even though it is light, I would not want to handle it like my phone. It gets heavy after a while. I hold it like a book, at the edges in landscape mode. Now I (almost) can't reach the navigation buttons.
Also I have the 4G version, and the navigation pane can't even properly show the line with the service provider's name.
If they wanted to be lazy, they could just have gone full Google-experience. This seems just half-assed.