UPDATE: Stock ATRIX is SLOW AS HELL.
Read my latest posts! I've since FACTORY RESET+Fully wiped!
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Hi there, I'm running Android 2.3.4 (4.5.91) Atrix (rooted) and have extremely slow write speeds. I have seen other users with other newer phones on Android 4.1.1 that seem to steer towards TRIM not being used. They have since fixed this in Android 4.1.2 according to the post, but doesn't help me with an Atrix . I tried to fix my phone with: several apps on the market like forever gone that write and fill your drive up then erase. I tried to use mount -o remount,discard - but discard is not allowed with this phone. I've tried deleting files on my internal and moved a TON of my apps to sdcard (Still internal storage just /sdcard/* because I'm using no actual SDCard) and still the problem exists. I've tried changing my schedulers and buffer with them to no avail. I've tried using the PDSFIX someone else posted here, and that didn't work either. Tried clearing dalvik / app cache entirely, no change either.
Kind of at a stand-still here as I don't want to factory restore my phone to fix a bug. If I'm going to be factory restoring it and spending an entire day doing so, I'd rather just get a new phone and start over where a problem clearly exists over time with the old phone, and I'll end up having to re-do it over and over, and there STILL isn't a guarantee that it will fix when i factory restore! So.. I need help! If there's ANYTHING you guys can think of that I might be able to do to get my phone back to "working" I would appreciate it! Even updating apps from market or opening an app normally that will use write speed at all, will hang and mostly offer to force close/wait.
APP Storage (Assuming /data?)
1.3GB Used - 665MB Free.
Internal Storage (assuming /sdcard?)
7.5GB used - 3.2GB Free.
Using Androbench:
/data (ext3)
SEQ RD: 16.65MB/s
SEQ WR: 0.22MB/s
RND RD: 1123 IOPS
RND WR: 33 IOPS
Buffer: No
/sdcard (vfat)
SEQ RD: 20.72MB/s
SEQ WR: 2.36MB/s
RND RD: 1145 IOPS
RND WR: 65.78 IOPS
As you can see: /sdcard is getting SEQ 2.5MB/s write and RND WR of a bit lower around 0.8MB/s which is clearly higher than /data.
I've read just about every thread on slow speeds here and most deal with a physical SDCard which I do not have one installed.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/fstrim/?source=dlp
I found a source for fstrim.c but I need to compile it on my phone which costs 3$? I'm afraid it would be a wasted purchase if it didn't work. As far as I know ext3 does not support "discard" option so you need to CRON job fstrim -v / (I have seen this as a solution for others)
Does discard option work with vfat? Or it seems maybe TRIM is the issue here. If I could find a compiled version I could use ON my phone to test, that would be awesome. I tried searching everywhere for an APP to do TRIM commands on your filesystem but came up empty handed.
UPDATE: Looks like TRIM doesn't work on Android 2.3.4. Looks like I'll be getting rid of my phone instead of fixing it, as it's impossible to fix apparently. Does not support -discard or TRIM, and have no feasible way to fix. I kind of liked the Atrix but it seems I will not be buying another Motorola product. Stay away from the ATRIX, it's JUNK.
Just saw they offer 100$ if you upgrade from Atrix 1 to Atrix HD but there are far better phones on the market now to even bother. WHY? Motorola, you need to take your head out of your ass.
Have you tried ROM Manager? It has a setting for boosting SD read/write (increase value from 128 to 2048 or 4096.) Hmm.. I dunno what I'm talking aboutz.
If you are that frustrated and will buy a new phone anyways, why not factory reset your phone and get it done and over with? At least there's a small chance you can fix your problem in Atrix as a principle.. And give you a reason to give in to the nagging innards about buying a shiny new Galaxy Note2 :cyclops: Atrix is still a nice back-up phone...
doqmyk said:
Have you tried ROM Manager? It has a setting for boosting SD read/write (increase value from 128 to 2048 or 4096.) Hmm.. I dunno what I'm talking aboutz.
If you are that frustrated and will buy a new phone anyways, why not factory reset your phone and get it done and over with? At least there's a small chance you can fix your problem in Atrix as a principle.. And give you a reason to give in to the nagging innards about buying a shiny new Galaxy Note2 :cyclops: Atrix is still a nice back-up phone...
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I installed that and didn't see the option. I have titanium backup and titanium media sync but I'm afraid a recovery would be at .5MB/s write and that could take many hours, haha.. umm I guess the reason I haven't factory restored is because this problem will reoccur without a solution. This is only logical. Simply factory restoring my phone every time I fill it up with anything or take long video,etc is not a solution to anything.
Whoops, sorry, my bad, not ROM Manager.. but ROM Toolbox Pro.
On the 1st page of ROM Toolbox Pro, swipe downwards, and presto! SD speed up option
Maybe if you reset it once, AND reinstall the ROM, (after wiping Dalvik and data with the toilet paper..) the problem might go away. Most probably a ROM corruption or app afficted error.
Doesn't hurt to try, especially after purchasing a shiny brand new Note 2..
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doqmyk said:
Whoops, sorry, my bad, not ROM Manager.. but ROM Toolbox Pro.
On the 1st page of ROM Toolbox Pro, swipe downwards, and presto! SD speed up option
Maybe if you reset it once, AND reinstall the ROM, (after wiping Dalvik and data with the toilet paper..) the problem might go away. Most probably a ROM corruption or app afficted error.
Doesn't hurt to try, especially after purchasing a shiny brand new Note 2..
Sent from my MB860 using xda premium
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Tried setting the cache to all the different settings, nothing changed really. If anything, it got worse so I uninstalled, heh.. I've been uninstalling any apps I can think of but nothing is working.
I'm really trying to figure out the damn problem so I don't HAVE to upgrade my phone... I'd rather not waste my 2-yr upgrade on a 300$ upgrade now when there are new devices coming out in a few months :\
Thanks for the help though. Going to mess around with it a bit more I guess.
UPDATE: I wiped my phone COMPLETELY. Unlocked bootloader, and tested, nothing. Same speeds, SLOWER if anything!?!?!?!?
I updated to the newer version 4.5.141 and..
moto-fastboot erase system
moto-fastboot erase boot
moto-fastboot erase webtop
moto-fastboot -w (wipe data)
Used CWM to format /cache
Soo. Wat now? hah..
If you have fully wiped and reset it, it would most probably be a hardware fault, no longer a ROM or setting problem. Probably your NAND has worn out (overused?) or has factory defect that became apparent only recently. You can try using CWM (advanced) to convert ext3 to ext4 the /cache, /data, etc, and see if it helps in any little way or if any. If no effect, and If it's still usable, then just use it as a secondary or back-up phone.
(epinter's CM10.1 ROM would be nice for that..)
or you can just trade it in for a new phone.. Good luck..
doqmyk said:
If you have fully wiped and reset it, it would most probably be a hardware fault, no longer a ROM or setting problem. Probably your NAND has worn out (overused?) or has factory defect that became apparent only recently. You can try using CWM (advanced) to convert ext3 to ext4 the /cache, /data, etc, and see if it helps in any little way or if any. If no effect, and If it's still usable, then just use it as a secondary or back-up phone.
(epinter's CM10.1 ROM would be nice for that..)
or you can just trade it in for a new phone.. Good luck..
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Interesting, my mother has the same phone and got it a bit after mine, her stats:
SEQ RD: 17MB/s
SEQ WR: 2.68MB/s
RND RD: 4MB/s 1027IOPS
RND WR: 0.16MB/s 42IOPS
So. It looks like Motorola designed these NAND chips to fail after a year or two causing the need to upgrade the phone to a new model.. I can't come up with any other solution other than they used cheap as hell hardware?
dosmac said:
Interesting, my mother has the same phone and got it a bit after mine, her stats:
SEQ RD: 17MB/s
SEQ WR: 2.68MB/s
RND RD: 4MB/s 1027IOPS
RND WR: 0.16MB/s 42IOPS
So. It looks like Motorola designed these NAND chips to fail after a year or two causing the need to upgrade the phone to a new model.. I can't come up with any other solution other than they used cheap as hell hardware?
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I have read your posts and I'm wondering how the phone feels when you're using it? (as opposed to looking at the stats)? I must admit you got me confused with all attention to write speeds ect.
As you've rooted/unlocked the bootloader what would you think about installing a custom rom? Something like CM7.2
It shouldn't take long. You've already got Titanium backup so you can back up your apps that you downloaded (not system apps) and install them after you have installed your new rom. It really shouldn't take long.
There is also a zip file called 'ram fix' which I've put here which might help after you've installed CM7.2 (it was designed for CM9/10 but there's no harm in trying it out)
You could also install a kernel which overclocks your CPU speed, thus making your phone faster.
If you decide to go down this route you'll need to do the following:
download CM 7.2/Gapps/Ramfix/Faux 1.3 overclock kernel and install on internal sd card
back up apps using titanium back up (do not back up system apps)
go into recovery and select 'mounts and storage'
format the following: system,data,osh,cache,preinstall
go back to main recovery menu and select 'install from sd card'
select 'choose zip from internal sd card'
select the CM7.2 zip that you have put on there (it will be at the bottom)
select Gapps zip and install
restart phone and go through start up procedure'
After Gapps has installed go back into recovery and repeat steps to get to install the ramfix zip and overclocking zip
restart phone
reinstall Titanium and reinsatll your apps of choice.
and hey presto... you'll have a new shiny fast Atrix :good:
barry_ said:
I have read your posts and I'm wondering how the phone feels when you're using it? (as opposed to looking at the stats)? I must admit you got me confused with all attention to write speeds ect.
As you've rooted/unlocked the bootloader what would you think about installing a custom rom? Something like CM7.2
It shouldn't take long. You've already got Titanium backup so you can back up your apps that you downloaded (not system apps) and install them after you have installed your new rom. It really shouldn't take long.
There is also a zip file called 'ram fix' which I've put here which might help after you've installed CM7.2 (it was designed for CM9/10 but there's no harm in trying it out)
You could also install a kernel which overclocks your CPU speed, thus making your phone faster.
If you decide to go down this route you'll need to do the following:
download CM 7.2/Gapps/Ramfix/Faux 1.3 overclock kernel and install on internal sd card
back up apps using titanium back up (do not back up system apps)
go into recovery and select 'mounts and storage'
format the following: system,data,osh,cache,preinstall
go back to main recovery menu and select 'install from sd card'
select 'choose zip from internal sd card'
select the CM7.2 zip that you have put on there (it will be at the bottom)
select Gapps zip and install
restart phone and go through start up procedure'
After Gapps has installed go back into recovery and repeat steps to get to install the ramfix zip and overclocking zip
restart phone
reinstall Titanium and reinsatll your apps of choice.
and hey presto... you'll have a new shiny fast Atrix :good:
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Considering doing this, not even sure if I can restore my Atrix back to stock and relock the bootloader. I unlocked it thinking CWM and this restore would be the fix.. heh.. nope.
The phone is basically usable as long as you're not...doing anything. Opening apps takes forever, a reboot takes 5-6minutes about. To update an app, everything on the phone comes to a GRINDING halt until the app completely updates, that is if market doesnt force close first. I have to keep hitting "wait" at least 2-3 times until a small app updates. If its a 20MB app, it's frozen for 3minutes+ just updating one app. Anything that writes/reads from my internal memory is deathly slow. I'll have to try CM7 mod maybe Neutrino?
Is it even possible to turn in this phone to Moto for the 100$ rebate and blowing my 2-yr upgrade on a ATRIX HD? It seems more effective to just go and get a Galaxy Note II with 399$ than it does to get a Atrix HD, quadcore vs dualcore? I wanted to wait until Tegra 4 came to market, but I don't know how long that will be.. I'm left with a mediocre phone that is stock (i've not re-added my apps yet with titanium backup). Not sure where to go next with this. I'm hoping I can import my apps to Jellybean from Gingerbread with Titanium Backup!! Thank you for all the help. I appreciate it!
I have the same problem. Currently running CM 10 from epinter.
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OP, did you ever find a solution to this problem?
I'm facing the same issue with my atrix (stock Gingerbread 2.3.4, not rooted, free app storage: 1.24Gb, free internal: 9.91Gb):
Sequential Read: 10.67 MB/s
Sequential Write: 0.28 MB/s
Random Read: 1.48 MB/s
Random Write: 0.02 MB/s
Both of you, have you tried "sd speed increase" app from play store? I recall doing this recomendation, with examples in another post. It can greatly increase reading/writing speed for sd card an internal storage as well
ndsLux was
Note that (alpha) 3.1.10 kernel always had slow sd write. Only now people starting to discuss that (see epinter's 10.1 dev thread and/or kernel 3.1 one, I didn't remember which one it was, but krystianp is aware of that).
As of cm7, I never had this issue. Copying files via usb for instance was fast and smooth. Same for epinter's 10.1 with old kernel. With kernel 3.1, it 's slow as hell. Yet to be fixed, perhaps?
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I tried flashing the Rom yesterday and was successful. The issues I had revolve around restoring my apps. I used My Backup Root for stock to Froyo, but this time it seemed as though the apps were on the phone and the card, which cause an error stating that I didn't have enough memory. What should I have done to restore the apps to preserve the memory? I also received force close error for SetCPU, SlideIt (which I love), and a few others.
Also, what is the benefit of partitioning my sd card and does doing so erase it's current contents?
Lastly, are the nightlies a full rom or just part that needs to be flashed? If found some on CMs website, but not here.?
Yes, I'm a NOOB.
kabell4 said:
I tried flashing the Rom yesterday and was successful. The issues I had revolve around restoring my apps. I used My Backup Root for stock to Froyo, but this time it seemed as though the apps were on the phone and the card, which cause an error stating that I didn't have enough memory. What should I have done to restore the apps to preserve the memory? I also received force close error for SetCPU, SlideIt (which I love), and a few others.
Also, what is the benefit of partitioning my sd card and does doing so erase it's current contents?
Lastly, are the nightlies a full rom or just part that needs to be flashed? If found some on CMs website, but not here.?
Yes, I'm a NOOB.
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Regarding your nightly question, they are full ROMs...the difference between them is the code that was committed within the previous 24 hours. Of course that also means that, in theory, some of the nightlies could be 100% the same...anyway, the nightlies can be a beautiful thing or a disasterous thing...usually if there's an issue with a nightly it is quickly found by those who flash each nightly and it is brought up around 3.2 million times and it is typically fixed by the next nightly.
Partitioning usually does mean a wipe of data on the SD. Careful!
When I upgraded to a 32GB flash from the stock 2GB from my Aria, I backed up the entire contents and restored on the new one. Apparently there is volume information stored somewhere (not sure where) and the phone couldn't recognize the card and asked me to partition it.
Because I had a backup, I decided to do so, but instead of partitioning for the entire size of the chip, it partitioned only 2GB!
So I had to stick it into a reader and repartition it manually and then selectively restore music, etc back on the card.
After that it worked just fine. So short version: yes it does.
kabell4 said:
I tried flashing the Rom yesterday and was successful. The issues I had revolve around restoring my apps. I used My Backup Root for stock to Froyo, but this time it seemed as though the apps were on the phone and the card, which cause an error stating that I didn't have enough memory. What should I have done to restore the apps to preserve the memory? I also received force close error for SetCPU, SlideIt (which I love), and a few others.
Also, what is the benefit of partitioning my sd card and does doing so erase it's current contents?
Lastly, are the nightlies a full rom or just part that needs to be flashed? If found some on CMs website, but not here.?
Yes, I'm a NOOB.
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You will need to creaate an sd-ext partition to fix the issue of installing (larger) apps with CM7.
The best way would be through ROM Manager.
wifi
Installed the RC2 and can't connect to a hidden SSID wifi network.
That is a known issue with the wifi driver on cm7 thus far. Not sure if it will be corrected though. Anyone else know if it is in the works?
"Do you mind if I turn up the AC?"
I believe if you flash to nightly 14 all will be good, not 100% sure though.
TheFurnace said:
That is a known issue with the wifi driver on cm7 thus far. Not sure if it will be corrected though. Anyone else know if it is in the works?
"Do you mind if I turn up the AC?"
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As far as I know there are no plans to change it. But then again we weren't supposed to get fm radio working either...
Sent from my cm7 Aria using XDA App
Too true. Never know what is coming down the pipeline!
"Do you mind if I turn up the AC?"
stellarhopper said:
You will need to creaate an sd-ext partition to fix the issue of installing (larger) apps with CM7.
The best way would be through ROM Manager.
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Great input from everyone. Thanks! Following up on the sd-card partitioning... I have a new 8g card and want to more to CM7. If I partition it, what happens when I restore the backed up app using My Backup Root? And, what is the best partition configuration, why, and what info get store in each section (ext)?
Thanks...
kabell4 said:
Great input from everyone. Thanks! Following up on the sd-card partitioning... I have a new 8g card and want to more to CM7. If I partition it, what happens when I restore the backed up app using My Backup Root? And, what is the best partition configuration, why, and what info get store in each section (ext)?
Thanks...
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The easiest way to partition is using your ROM manager.
Just select the max size for SD-EXT (I think it would got to 512MB), and none for swap.
I'm not sure if this would have any effect on your backup - I myself started out from scratch and got my apps from the market even though I had made an Astro backup...
You will store all your stuff - music, pictures etc in the normal partition. The SD-EXT will be automatically handled by the phone.
Tried flashing Nightly 22 on my Aria from 17. I spent a lot of time customizing 17. Is there a way to keep all of the old home screens? Also, GPS lock isn't working for me. Using MyBackup Root for Apps, but it seems to duplicate the apps?
kabell4 said:
Tried flashing Nightly 22 on my Aria from 17. I spent a lot of time customizing 17. Is there a way to keep all of the old home screens? Also, GPS lock isn't working for me. Using MyBackup Root for Apps, but it seems to duplicate the apps?
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You should be able to flash each new nightly without losing any of your settings/customizations/homescreens and apps.
While upgrading from ROM manager, just check the backup option, don't check wipe data and cache.
I can confirm this works transitioning from 14 to 22 because I just did it yesterday night
As for the GPS problem, thats a known issue - the workaround is to make a nandroid backup of your current cm7, then do a complete phone reset, then do a nandroid restore of cm6 or 6.1 (hope you have one), do another factory reset, and restore your cm7 from the backup you took in the 1st step
stellarhopper said:
You should be able to flash each new nightly without losing any of your settings/customizations/homescreens and apps.
While upgrading from ROM manager, just check the backup option, don't check wipe data and cache.
I can confirm this works transitioning from 14 to 22 because I just did it yesterday night
As for the GPS problem, thats a known issue - the workaround is to make a nandroid backup of your current cm7, then do a complete phone reset, then do a nandroid restore of cm6 or 6.1 (hope you have one), do another factory reset, and restore your cm7 from the backup you took in the 1st step
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first of all, i would never suggest using rom manager for things such as that. historically it has only caused problems and has been more of an inconvenience than anything. second of all, when you boot into CWM and do it the right way, don't wipe data, it's suggested but not necessary that you wipe cache and dalvik, then flash the rom and you'll be good.
Thanks to both of you. Big help and not deleting the data did the trick. Looks like I'm good to go and GPS is working well again. Is there a way to ensure I don't have duplicate apps taking up space on the card and phone? I'm getting errors on moving some apps to the sd card.
kabell4 said:
Thanks to both of you. Big help and not deleting the data did the trick. Looks like I'm good to go and GPS is working well again. Is there a way to ensure I don't have duplicate apps taking up space on the card and phone? I'm getting errors on moving some apps to the sd card.
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Not all apps can be moved to the FAT32 partition on the SD card. Widgets also, won't work properly if moved to the SD FAT32.
If you need more memory, look into (read up) partitioning your sd card with a ext3 partition and installing S2E or Dark Tremor a2sd (DT a2sd).
zervic said:
first of all, i would never suggest using rom manager for things such as that. historically it has only caused problems and has been more of an inconvenience than anything. second of all, when you boot into CWM and do it the right way, don't wipe data, it's suggested but not necessary that you wipe cache and dalvik, then flash the rom and you'll be good.
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Oh, I had no idea about that, thanks for the info.
I've been using ROM manager without any problems so far, apart from one lately, that when I reboot to recovery, I always get an error screen - exclamation mark in triangle...but I just pull the battery and reboot into recovery manually and it starts whatever command I had given it (backup/new rom) automatically...
Ok, I give (well sort of) stuck at 3 birds screen for gingerbread roms.
Need one of the better brains on this one. I'm not sure if solvable without one of the big guys having one of these troublesome woot tablets.
Story up till now.
I have a G tablet, I have had one since November 2010. (black friday sears).
On my tablet I have never had any issues installing any rom/kernel and it at least booting (ones designed for gtablet)
I impressed work with them so much that during the Woot sale a few weeks back, the university bought 11 of these tablet for other techs.
So I stepped up and decided to flash them all (since tap n tap doesn't support several things such as WPA2 enterprise).
Now on the first 2 tablets I got ahold of they would not load any gingerbread rom on this forum, not vegan experementals, not either one of the asops, nor cm7 .... etc..
But they will run TNT lite and vegan 1 5b11.....
One of the units came to me with fc issues out of the box... that one loaded and ran gingerbread just fine..... (vegan experementals + pershot kernal + gapps)
The one my step father purchased from woot runs gingerbread asop + pershot + gapps fine as well
Got to work today tried a few things on another one of these tablets and it gets stuck at the veiwsonic 3 birds screen.
So these are all the methods broken down by tablet.
Tablet 1 -
Boot to stock
Mount tablet as usb
extract CW internal to device
mount usb
Reboot recovery
Reboot CW recovery
Copy over GB Asop
Copy over gapps
Flash said above
stuck at "viewsonic" screen
Ok...
Partition memory 2048/0
mount
Copy over gb asop, gb experementals, gapps
Try all of them...
Viewsonic screen..
ok
partition
mount
Copy over vegan 5.1 5.11 and pershot kernal
flash
Bingo we have vegan tab....
Hmmm..
2nd tablet
Ok lets try this again
Boot to stock
Mount tablet as usb
extract CW internal to device
mount usb
Reboot recovery
Reboot CW recovery
Copy over GB experementals
flash
stuck at viewsonc screen
partition 2048/0
mount
copy over experementals
flash
stuck at viewsonic
copy over vegan 5.1 / 5.11
flash (no kernal this time)
bingo we have froyo .... still no gb
Tablet 3- Troubled begginings
Set time zone - Force crash here....
Copy over micro sd and extract to micro sd card
Flash CW
lets try again
Copy over asop + gapps + pershot
Bam reboot and were in---- ran perfectly.
So I go... AHHA.. Must be micro SD is the key...
Tablet 4 ---
Bring over same micro sd card with me.
Use it to install CW
Install asop +gapps+pershot
froze at "Viewsonic"
WTF....
hmmmmm
Repartiton 2048/0
stuck
repartition 4096/0
stuck
repartition 4096/32
stuck
etc...
Repartitioned 2048/0
Installed vegan 5.1 / 5.11
bingo we have a live tab....
So I really don't know what is causing this. any thoughts on any of it would be greatly appreciated.
Only thought is hardware revision.. *shrug*
Did you do the stock OTA update before flashing any roms?
Pnuts said:
Did you do the stock OTA update before flashing any roms?
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On tablet 4 I did.
I got cm7 on my woot gtab finally.
I repartitioned to 4096/256.
NVFlash
booted in to stock > plugged in to pc > usb transferred cm .8
installed cm .8
booted back to stock > usb transferred rom + gapps
boot recovery > formated boot,system,cache,data and wipe davlik cache
mount system & data
install rom then gapps
mount system ( it unmounts after rom install, cache was still mounted)
“wipe data/factory reset”
reboot
on mine- it took 30-60 secs to go from viewsonic screen to the cm boot animation and 1-2 mins it loaded up
bill1253 said:
I got cm7 on my woot gtab finally.
I repartitioned to 4096/256.
NVFlash
booted in to stock > plugged in to pc > usb transferred cm .8
installed cm .8
booted back to stock > usb transferred rom + gapps
boot recovery > formated boot,system,cache,data and wipe davlik cache
mount system & data
install rom then gapps
mount system ( it unmounts after rom install, cache was still mounted)
“wipe data/factory reset”
reboot
on mine- it took 30-60 secs to go from viewsonic screen to the cm boot animation and 1-2 mins it loaded up
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I'll have to give this a try.
bill1253 said:
mount system ( it unmounts after rom install, cache was still mounted)
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Hmmm.... May have something on this line. Have to check it out.
Gentlemen -- and others reading this thread:
Please don't get people started re-partitioning the way you have just posted!!!???!!!
I can't pull the reason off the top of my head -- but the 2048 and 0 has been the
standard since last November. I do remember that it will foul things up.
If you want to experiment with it, fine. But if you keep posting and pushing it you
may start another round of problems for folks that don't need problems.
IMHO.
Rev
EDIT, HERE'S THE ANSWER: The 2048 figure has been set for a long time because other values
(particularly 4096) caused issues with the Market. Wouldn't allow downloads.
The second value is a cache and the the understanding is that Android doesn't use it, so
it's just a waste of space.
Android is not well-documented, but that is the wisdom behind 2048/0.
bc
I would agree with butchconner. I am not a developer, but I am a UNIX systems administrator.
In the "old days" when RAM was hideously expensive ($7,000 for 16MB of RAM), we used a rule of thumb that swap should be 1-2.5 times the physical RAM. Disk was cheaper than RAM, hence virtual memory.
Now, memory generally exceeds requirements. I can understand why one would want not to have your swap go to flash nvram, since nvram is slow and has limited write cycles. But, letting the system swap to nvram _and_ to less swap than you have memory for just seems counter productive.
I partitioned mine to 2048/0 and it runs great.
My Archos 70 has only 256MB RAM, and I could see a benefit from 256mb - 512mb of configured swap space, as it appears memory constrained in 256MB RAM.
Hope this helps.
butchconner said:
Gentlemen -- and others reading this thread:
Please don't get people started re-partitioning the way you have just posted!!!???!!!
I can't pull the reason off the top of my head -- but the 2048 and 0 has been the
standard since last November. I do remember that it will foul things up.
If you want to experiment with it, fine. But if you keep posting and pushing it you
may start another round of problems for folks that don't need problems.
IMHO.
Rev
EDIT, HERE'S THE ANSWER: The 2048 figure has been set for a long time because other values
(particularly 4096) caused issues with the Market. Wouldn't allow downloads.
The second value is a cache and the the understanding is that Android doesn't use it, so
it's just a waste of space.
Android is not well-documented, but that is the wisdom behind 2048/0.
bc
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fine and good and all, but red hering all the same. still can't get gingerbread to work on a large majoity of the woot tablet i have come across.
That's the best I can offer. Sorry I can't help you.
Please remember that Gingerbread is not out for the
G-Tablet and what you are using is experimental.
It may not be perfect!
Good Luck.
Rev
butchconner said:
That's the best I can offer. Sorry I can't help you.
Please remember that Gingerbread is not out for the
G-Tablet and what you are using is experimental.
It may not be perfect!
Good Luck.
Rev
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Yea I don't think this has to do with experimental some of the bootloaders or something are fowled up on some tabs why does it work on some and not others?
My coworker and I both bought the tabs at the same time and his flash ginger no problem and mine sticks at the birds.
My Woot tablet works great, no problem with Gingerbread. I DID let it do the OTA update before I started hacking - not sure if that made a difference.
chadness said:
My Woot tablet works great, no problem with Gingerbread. I DID let it do the OTA update before I started hacking - not sure if that made a difference.
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Wish that it did. I tried this on both tablet 4 and tablet 5 (last night) with no effect.
I rolled tablet 3 to stock 3588 from roebeet's recovery mod
Only thing I haven't tried is skipping CW all together and do it all from update.zip s .
May give that a shot today.
It's alive!
bill1253 said:
I got cm7 on my woot gtab finally.
I repartitioned to 4096/256.
NVFlash
booted in to stock > plugged in to pc > usb transferred cm .8
installed cm .8
booted back to stock > usb transferred rom + gapps
boot recovery > formated boot,system,cache,data and wipe davlik cache
mount system & data
install rom then gapps
mount system ( it unmounts after rom install, cache was still mounted)
“wipe data/factory reset”
reboot
on mine- it took 30-60 secs to go from viewsonic screen to the cm boot animation and 1-2 mins it loaded up
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I skipped the repartition (left it at default), but I was actually able to boot into a Gingerbread ROM! I followed your instructions to the T.
An additional note for the NVFlash, I followed roebeet's instructions to do a restore via NVFlash, although, I did not update to 3588 (it said it was already up-to-date?): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=861950
Thanks!
EDIT: the Tap UI version that is installed from the NVFlash I performed is 2638. I have completed the steps above again with a different ROM (CM7) and it worked like a champ again.
Do NOT partition to anything other than 2048 and 0. You WILL have market problems otherwise. If you load a Gingerbread rom and it stops at the birds you must nvflash to stock and then you will okay. I have walked about 20 people through this in the last 2 weeks and it works everytime. Something is different in the partitioning on these newer tabs and Gingerbread dont like it. It's not the bootloader and not clockwork
Yeah, I left it at 2048/0; you actually shouldn't have to repartition it with the default settings anyway. I haven't had a problem and haven't needed to repartition it when going between Gingerbread ROMs.
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Do NOT partition to anything other than 2048 and 0. You WILL have market problems otherwise. If you load a Gingerbread rom and it stops at the birds you must nvflash to stock and then you will okay. I have walked about 20 people through this in the last 2 weeks and it works everytime. Something is different in the partitioning on these newer tabs and Gingerbread dont like it. It's not the bootloader and not clockwork
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Any chance you could walk me through it? I'm not quite sure what I'm doing wrong otherwise.
You can join irc but the first thing that will be asked is do you have the drivers installed and can you see the tab from a pc.
Freenode channel #tegratab
can som one tell me how i can dual boot my photon4g
lucky.79 said:
can som one tell me how i can dual boot my photon4g
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You can't, yet.
This uses a method called 2ndinit myself and peetr_ have been looking into using this option.
mof9336 said:
This uses a method called 2ndinit myself and peetr_ have been looking into using this option.
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so we can have one androidOS in the internal storage and another android OS in the external storage?? that's really really cool! Would photon 4g be the first phone to have more than 1 OS installed?
rituel said:
so we can have one androidOS in the internal storage and another android OS in the external storage?? that's really really cool! Would photon 4g be the first phone to have more than 1 OS installed?
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Check my post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1652411
I have used suggestions from Atrix thread and they worked fine. I have tried two or three times and each time I got some issues. I was copying stock 2.3.4 ROM onto SD card. One time USB ports were not working - no charging, no connection to computer with the cable. Next time there was problem with Play Market. I have tried different steps to reset its settings to no avail. It was giving error related to storage unavailability while downloading anything. I have removed Play Market completely, then somehow install it back, but the issue was not resolved. Now I think maybe it's a permissions issue.
Also device was really slow while running OS on sd-card (I have 32GB Transcend Class 10). It's fun to try but I don't see any practical use for it.
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Check my post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1652411
I have used suggestions from Atrix thread and they worked fine. I have tried two or three times and each time I got some issues. I was copying stock 2.3.4 ROM onto SD card. One time USB ports were not working - no charging, no connection to computer with the cable. Next time there was problem with Play Market. I have tried different steps to reset its settings to no avail. It was giving error related to storage unavailability while downloading anything. I have removed Play Market completely, then somehow install it back, but the issue was not resolved. Now I think maybe it's a permissions issue.
Also device was really slow while running OS on sd-card (I have 32GB Transcend Class 10). It's fun to try but I don't see any practical use for it.
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hey can you write a detailed guide with instructions on how you got dual boot working on photon 4g please !? I cant afford to make mistakes and bork my phone >.>
And like you said as long as i can charge my phone and connect to my computer with one of the operating system its not a problem. But having dual boot will be really helpfull means I can check out more than one Rom simultaneously.
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hey can you write a detailed guide with instructions on how you got dual boot working on photon 4g please !? I cant afford to make mistakes and bork my phone >.>
And like you said as long as i can charge my phone and connect to my computer with one of the operating system its not a problem. But having dual boot will be really helpfull means I can check out more than one Rom simultaneously.
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The instructions I followed from Atrix page are very detailed. Link is here
It takes time to have a thread where most of the common questions answered. I think it is useless effort to start similar topic here, in addition - I don't have necessary time, knowledge and wish for this.
Anyway, if you do something wrong - you should always have full backup - then you risk nothing. Remember that if you got soft-bricked and recovery doesn't work, you can always use RSD lite to load stock 198_7 ROM, unlock, write new recovery and restore from initial backup.
The only difference between Atrix and Photon, (relative to this task) that you should keep in mind is the partition sizes. Partition table by LAKSHMAN in Play Market (or any other partition tool) can show you your partition sizes. I didn't guess to use these tools when I followed the instructions. Add up some 10 GB to each partition, just in case. When you partition your SD card, you should create partitions of the following size:
system - 420 MiB (stock ROM system partition size 408 MiB)
cache - 645 MiB (my current cache size on stock ROM is 610 MiB)
data - 2.6 MiB
I would also recommend to use script manager to launch scripts that will replace boot image from one to another. In other words, it will control where you will boot next time.
Note that Windows 7 is going mad about SD card with several partitions - sometimes you can see a single ntfs partition, sometimes it shows the ext3 partition, offering to reformat it.
bloodhound_ said:
The instructions I followed from Atrix page are very detailed. Link is here
It takes time to have a thread where most of the common questions answered. I think it is useless effort to start similar topic here, in addition - I don't have necessary time, knowledge and wish for this.
Anyway, if you do something wrong - you should always have full backup - then you risk nothing. Remember that if you got soft-bricked and recovery doesn't work, you can always use RSD lite to load stock 198_7 ROM, unlock, write new recovery and restore from initial backup.
The only difference between Atrix and Photon, (relative to this task) that you should keep in mind is the partition sizes. Partition table by LAKSHMAN in Play Market (or any other partition tool) can show you your partition sizes. I didn't guess to use these tools when I followed the instructions. Add up some 10 GB to each partition, just in case. When you partition your SD card, you should create partitions of the following size:
system - 420 GB (stock ROM system partition size 408 GB)
cache - 645 GB (my current cache size on stock ROM is 610 GB)
data - 2.6 GB
I would also recommend to use script manager to launch scripts that will replace boot image from one to another. In other words, it will control where you will boot next time.
Note that Windows 7 is going mad about SD card with several partitions - sometimes you can see a single ntfs partition, sometimes it shows the ext3 partition, offering to reformat it.
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@PosterBoy : is this GB really?????? Man give some space to breathe..... lol
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@PosterBoy : is this GB really?????? Man give some space to breathe..... lol
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no im sure he miss typed he meant MB like he says in his post in the other thread. ok thanks man ill play around with it a bit so you're sure the phone wont be hard bricked right? I'm a very careful person I'm pretty confident I wont make mistakes all i want to know is everything every instruction given there is detailed enough and that nothing is omitted from it(meaning i dont have to do anything different except the partition sizes you mentioned here)
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no im sure he miss typed he meant MB like he says in his post in the other thread. ok thanks man ill play around with it a bit so you're sure the phone wont be hard bricked right? I'm a very careful person I'm pretty confident I wont make mistakes all i want to know is everything every instruction given there is detailed enough and that nothing is omitted from it(meaning i dont have to do anything different except the partition sizes you mentioned here)
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Yes, everything else from that topic applies. Be careful when you use dd. If you specify wrong drive names you might be in trouble (this will require loading sbf with RSD lite to fix partitions, I guess).
The longest part is to extract boot.img, edit the configuration file there and pack the whole thing back to andorid .img format. It requires you to install Android SDK with some tools that might not work straight away.
Hi All,
im trying to revive my old atrix (now have a HTC OneX as my main phone). The problem with my atrix is that every app on it is randomly popping up with a Force Close Or Wait message, this is completely random and if i click wait the app i was waiting to load normally appears.
my first theory was that there was a problem with the install so I did a hard rest, the problem continued,
second thaught was that the rom it self was damaged some how, So i followed a guide and installed Cyanogen Mod 7 with clockwork recovery, this all went well, but after booting into Cyanogen im still getting the force close issues (although it happens a lot less)
here is a list of the problems:-
1. Force close or wait messages randomly for any app it feels like including system process's
2. the camera no longer works, im assuming this is a hardware issue.
3. when updating apps the download speed is super slow sometimes it will just stop for an hour or 2 (even when on my home Fibre connection)
so what do we think? im open to suggestion and pulling this thing apart as it is basically a spare phone,
what should i do?
Cheers
Dazzler
I would try a factory reset first, if that doesn't work, the install a custom rom o reinstall the one you have
Sorry i should have put a TLDR:
TLDR - I have hard reset and installed a new ROM the problem is still there.
Cheers
Dazzler
is there anyway to test the hardware on an android phone?
I have my suspicions that the problem could be a fault with the internal storage or RAM... but it would be nice to have a way to test it.
the weird thing is that although apps take ages to load and come up with the not responding (force close or wait screen) if I press wait 9 times out of ten the app will appear right after that message and work fine....
any one have any ideas?
Cheers
Daz
Well now i have a situation, my lovely HTC OneX has died....
so im back to using my old Atrix 4g full time, this force close issue is driving me nuts, from what i can tell every application is slow and likes to attempt a force close 2 or 3 times before it becomes usable.
I have tried a full reset, clearing caches and re flashing, still got the same problem.
does anyone know of a tool to test the internal memory of a phone? is there anyway to do a full format as such? a complete clear and start again??
any help appreciated
Thanks
Dazzler
dazzler22 said:
Well now i have a situation, my lovely HTC OneX has died....
so im back to using my old Atrix 4g full time, this force close issue is driving me nuts, from what i can tell every application is slow and likes to attempt a force close 2 or 3 times before it becomes usable.
I have tried a full reset, clearing caches and re flashing, still got the same problem.
does anyone know of a tool to test the internal memory of a phone? is there anyway to do a full format as such? a complete clear and start again??
any help appreciated
Thanks
Dazzler
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you can flash an .141 full sbf and start over (unlock bootloader, flash recovery, flash custom rom) to see if that's the problem.
Another way is to format everything via cwm recovery (mounts and storage -> format /data /cache /webtop /preinstall /system) and try a custom rom freshly downloaded and with md5 checksum, to avoid download corrupted issue.
andresrivas said:
you can flash an .141 full sbf and start over (unlock bootloader, flash recovery, flash custom rom) to see if that's the problem.
Another way is to format everything via cwm recovery (mounts and storage -> format /data /cache /webtop /preinstall /system) and try a custom rom freshly downloaded and with md5 checksum, to avoid download corrupted issue.
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Thanks for the reply,
I dont have webtop listed in the mounts and storage, Im just downloading a new rom, once i have got that on the sd card, i boot into clockwork format the above and then install rom from sd card.
will give it a go!
also what is format /emmc? is that the internal storage? im assuming this is a big no no?
Cheers
Daz
dazzler22 said:
Thanks for the reply,
I dont have webtop listed in the mounts and storage, Im just downloading a new rom, once i have got that on the sd card, i boot into clockwork format the above and then install rom from sd card.
will give it a go!
also what is format /emmc? is that the internal storage? im assuming this is a big no no?
Cheers
Daz
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I don't recall (and also don't have my phone at hand) if it's called /webtop, /osh or /vendor.. Any of those will go.
yup, /emmc is what the roms see as the internal storage, don't do it unless you want to start fresh
great thanks, will give that a go!
ok so i did a clean slate install with a full format of everything and a new rom (CM9 unofficial one)
it is working better but im still getting force closes, I think my guess of something inside failing is prob about right, hopefully HTC will fix my OneX quickly....
Cheers
Darren
Glad to know that it is working, but sad to know it's getting to it's end
Hi,
sorry to disturb you but I do have some little "problems" with my HTC ONE AT&T.
I bought this phone, simunlocked already, and with revone I put it SOFF and than I "converted" it to international version of it (thinking that keeping the AT&T versionI coudn't install internatinal rom...I understood I was wrong but anyway I'm from Europe so I like to have international CID).
Few strange things happened (I'm not sure if it's normal or not).
The first one is that it seems that my phone is loosing memory, it's supposed to have 32 Gb but, as you can see from the attachment, it has just 25.5 Gb, is that normal (I do use a really slim rom, just 150 Mb, but anyway it's the same with any rom I install)...is it normal? Is it possible to format ALL and restore all the memory to an initial state (where there shall be at least 30-31 Gb avaialble I think)??
The second is that sometimes, after installing a rom, exiting the aroma installer, the screen become black instead of getting me back to the recovery (actually it seems it brings me back to the recovery but the screen goes off and no way to turn it on...so force reboot and than everything works fine....but sometimes reinstalling the same rom over and over it works fine, it bring me back to recovery and I can normally reboot the system), is it normal?
Than during the boot it says that this is a test device and so on (a sentence written under the HTC logo), is there a way to remove it? I thought I could do it with revone (I thought it was the tempered flag) but I tried the following thing and isn't removing it even if it says succesfully: Re-run revone to remove TAMPERED from your HBOOT screen: ./revone -t (but maybe it's another thing).
So is there a way to remove that sentence?
Thanks,
Massimiliano
Storage size is normal to show 25.59... As android system uses the rest that you don't see
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TopoX84 said:
Storage size is normal to show 25.59... As android system uses the rest that you don't see
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Is there a way to check if some part of the memory is lost/full from previous rom and it wasn't clean well??
I'm using this rom http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=50698141 it's realy minimal, without NOTHING, even the play store was missing...how can it use 7 Gb of memory?
m.zambonelli said:
Is there a way to check if some part of the memory is lost/full from previous rom and it wasn't clean well??
I'm using this rom http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=50698141 it's realy minimal, without NOTHING, even the play store was missing...how can it use 7 Gb of memory?
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Just go into settings and select storage. It tells you what is being used and by what.. Memory is used like a hard drive and it is formatted so the system can use it properly. That being said on 32GB you loose about 2GB to the formatting. Then the system and everything else on he phone uses it. There is also a swap file of several GB that is used when the 2GB of RAM is too full. There are also a couple of cache that use that memory as well. What you are seeing is typical storage usage of most phones running on Android. You loose around 7 to 10 GB to the system.
m.zambonelli said:
Is there a way to check if some part of the memory is lost/full from previous rom and it wasn't clean well??
I'm using this rom http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=50698141 it's realy minimal, without NOTHING, even the play store was missing...how can it use 7 Gb of memory?
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Well is like installing Linux on a computer.. The easy setup sets different partitions that the system is going to use for multiple purposes hence losing some GB in the process to be able to perform as required.
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Solarenemy68 said:
Just go into settings and select storage. It tells you what is being used and by what.. Memory is used like a hard drive and it is formatted so the system can use it properly. That being said on 32GB you loose about 2GB to the formatting. Then the system and everything else on he phone uses it. There is also a swap file of several GB that is used when the 2GB of RAM is too full. There are also a couple of cache that use that memory as well. What you are seeing is typical storage usage of most phones running on Android. You loose around 7 to 10 GB to the system.
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Ok I do understand that but as you can see from the screenshot attached in Setting-Storage it says Total Space 25.59Gb, available 24 and something.
I would like to see/understand/access the remaining 6/7 Gb that are not showed there!
I've the feelings that the memory is decreasing every time I'm installing a rom, I also formatted EVERYTHING. loosing the operating system (than I had to push a rom in the memory) but still is like that!
Any suggestion or idea on how to see what is inside those 7 Gb "missing" from the total space?
Any way to format them?
It's not missing, open a terminal window and execute df command - that will list partitions. Data is 25.6GB, system 1.8GB, cache 600MB, etc. All 32GB are there, but are partitioned for different aspects of the OS, you can't change that.
cschmitt said:
It's not missing, open a terminal window and execute df command - that will list partitions. Data is 25.6GB, system 1.8GB, cache 600MB, etc. All 32GB are there, but are partitioned for different aspects of the OS, you can't change that.
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Thank you so much for your answer, I'm slowly understanding how this is working
I am than wondering if it's possible that multiple install of things (updating hboot, recovery, different rom and so on) can leave some "dirty" file or folder meaning that some not necessary files are still there taking space for nothing.
This is my df results, can you check if, for your opinion, everything is fine or if there is some folder too big as it shall be?
Another question is if it's possible to just delete ALL the 32Gb, removing all the partition and stuff and then in some way restore it to a "default" (I don't know what I'm actually saying, I hope you understood what I mean...mainly like in any windows pc you can just remove all the partition, format all and reinstall the OS from zero).
Thanks a lot,
Massimiliano
p.s. I'm including the screenshot of my df result
m.zambonelli said:
Thank you so much for your answer, I'm slowly understanding how this is working
I am than wondering if it's possible that multiple install of things (updating hboot, recovery, different rom and so on) can leave some "dirty" file or folder meaning that some not necessary files are still there taking space for nothing.
This is my df results, can you check if, for your opinion, everything is fine or if there is some folder too big as it shall be?
Another question is if it's possible to just delete ALL the 32Gb, removing all the partition and stuff
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It looks normal, you can't delete all of the partitions it would brick the phone. Flashing roms doesn't leave old files, because the install wipes the system first.
m.zambonelli said:
Thank you so much for your answer, I'm slowly understanding how this is working
I am than wondering if it's possible that multiple install of things (updating hboot, recovery, different rom and so on) can leave some "dirty" file or folder meaning that some not necessary files are still there taking space for nothing.
This is my df results, can you check if, for your opinion, everything is fine or if there is some folder too big as it shall be?
Another question is if it's possible to just delete ALL the 32Gb, removing all the partition and stuff and then in some way restore it to a "default" (I don't know what I'm actually saying, I hope you understood what I mean...mainly like in any windows pc you can just remove all the partition, format all and reinstall the OS from zero).
Thanks a lot,
Massimiliano
p.s. I'm including the screenshot of my df result
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I don't want to sound like an ass but what you have is normal so you are going to have to live with it. There is no way to get more memory cleared up unless you have absolutely nothing but the ROM running and nothing else downloaded and installed. Everyone who has the 32GB version of this phone has the same amount of memory as you. Some have less as they have installed other apps. added music, movies, and pictures.
The ONLY way you could get more memory is to get the 64GB version of this phone. I knew it did not have a card slot so I took that into account and bought the 64GB version so I would have plenty of space for anything I wanted.
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It looks normal, you can't delete all of the partitions it would brick the phone. Flashing roms doesn't leave old files, because the install wipes the system first.
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Ok, Thanks
Solarenemy68 said:
I don't want to sound like an ass but what you have is normal so you are going to have to live with it. There is no way to get more memory cleared up unless you have absolutely nothing but the ROM running and nothing else downloaded and installed. Everyone who has the 32GB version of this phone has the same amount of memory as you. Some have less as they have installed other apps. added music, movies, and pictures.
The ONLY way you could get more memory is to get the 64GB version of this phone. I knew it did not have a card slot so I took that into account and bought the 64GB version so I would have plenty of space for anything I wanted.
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If I knew that 32 Gb meant 25 I would consider to buy the 64 Gb too ... but other than te space I just wanted to understand IF it was normal that, after just flashed a really basic clean rom (just 156 mb of rom) it was normal to have just 25 Gb free (no other additional apps, no photo and so on) ... it's normal, ok, I'll be happy with that and next phone I'll consider a 64Gb version of it.
Thanks everyone for the reply