Tired of waiting....
Stupid Verizon.
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Tired of waiting....
Stupid Verizon.
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Plus one. At least give us a competing product. I feel like I'm renting my phone from them, the way they exert control over their customers is unreal.
I doubt it will ever be enabled. They will be using ISIS believe.
We may have to wait til we get AOSP based roms. I've tried multiple things to get wallet to work. Not going to lie, this is one reason I bough this phone was to use google wallet.
bb12489 said:
We may have to wait til we get AOSP based roms. I've tried multiple things to get wallet to work. Not going to lie, this is one reason I bough this phone was to use google wallet.
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You bought a phone that doesn't support google wallet to run google wallet?
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You bought a phone that doesn't support google wallet to run google wallet?
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I'm guessing he didn't know it wouldn't be supported beforehand. Probably just saw that it had nfc capabilities and assumed it would be.
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I'm guessing he didn't know it wouldn't be supported beforehand. Probably just saw that it had nfc capabilities and assumed it would be.
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Verizon has been vocal about not supporting wallet on their devices. Heck, I think sprint is the only one of the big 4 that actually allows it.
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Verizon has been vocal about not supporting wallet on their devices. Heck, I think sprint is the only one of the big 4 that actually allows it.
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Oh I know. They're trying to push isis.
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I am afraid they will never be available.
greenyoga said:
I am afraid they will never be available.
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I would say it's not going to be too long before Google waps them upside the head with a suit. Verizon said no NFC mobile payment system, then releases Isis in certain markets claiming Isis uses a "secure element" and Google Wallet does not.
My guess is that Google will have a petition for injunction with the court shortly and VZW will be forced to share the requirements that allowed Isis to be used, then GW will be changed and when VZW refuses to allow it to be used again, Google will have a field day with VZW in the legal system.
One could only hope Google sues them.
It feels like I bought an Apple with all the stuff I can and can't do.
I made a topic on the Verizon website. Let's see what they come up with. Please feel free to post. Voice your opinions:
https://community.verizonwireless.com/thread/791536
I was a big Google wallet user when I had my nexus. Verizon is NOT blocking Google wallet. The problem is somewhat complex, but simplisticly speaking, to make it work, Google needs help from Verizon to use the secure element, Google can't do it on there own. Verizon will NOT help and the reason isn't totally clear, as originally Verizon said they couldn't help Google because they had a CONTRACT with Isis, and could not violate the contract. They have since not been hiding behind that reason, but with the threat of Isis sueing them, Google wallet is hands off.
The good news (or better anyway) that just because Verizon won't help, developers can. With other Verizon phones, ROMS have in fact supported it and make it work.
Earlier I said complex issue, and the complexity is that to PROPERLYmake wallet work and be A SECURE system with all the versions of android etc is not easy.
Google could easily make it work, but it can't be a success if it isn't safe and secure and would be a theft target in this form.
So our hope to see it work on this phone, is left up to the development community.
Last thing to think about is if the secure element gets changed, it will have to be dealt with again, and the developers are again the only hope for Google wallet.
Hope that clears some of it up.
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I was a big Google wallet user when I had my nexus. Verizon is NOT blocking Google wallet. The problem is somewhat complex, but simplisticly speaking, to make it work, Google needs help from Verizon to use the secure element, Google can't do it on there own. Verizon will NOT help and the reason isn't totally clear, as originally Verizon said they couldn't help Google because they had a CONTRACT with Isis, and could not violate the contract. They have since not been hiding behind that reason, but with the threat of Isis sueing them, Google wallet is hands off.
The good news (or better anyway) that just because Verizon won't help, developers can. With other Verizon phones, ROMS have in fact supported it and make it work.
Earlier I said complex issue, and the complexity is that to PROPERLYmake wallet work and be A SECURE system with all the versions of android etc is not easy.
Google could easily make it work, but it can't be a success if it isn't safe and secure and would be a theft target in this form.
So our hope to see it work on this phone, is left up to the development community.
Last thing to think about is if the secure element gets changed, it will have to be dealt with again, and the developers are again the only hope for Google wallet.
Hope that clears some of it up.
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sorry to tell you sir but you are wrong. verizon has always requested that this app is blocked with google and the software they approve per device. plus the nexus did not work unless you side loaded the app
Spider210 said:
sorry to tell you sir but you are wrong. verizon has always requested that this app is blocked with google and the software they approve per device. plus the nexus did not work unless you side loaded the app
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Not sure which part I am wrong in, however you are correct in the fact that they requested the app not be available in Google because they did not support it. That is why I said this is complex, but if that is what you call blocking then I guess (in its rawest form) you are correct and consider it blocked on the surface, however if you side loaded it it did work, and was not blocked from working. (just maybe a definition of blocked) is our arguement. I have a nexus too and Google wallet works perfect everytime not blocked.
The big question regardless of this, is then for the DNA users as follows: you can go to playstore and download Google wallet and no matter what you do, it does not work? Why you ask? Is Verizon blocking it? Depending on your definition of blocked then the answer is maybe? I say they are not blocking it from working on the network. Is it fair to say they are blocking it by not supporting it?
Not to make this any more unclear, but there is apparently discussion as to whether the nfc specs for the DNA can commuicate properly for Google wallet anyway. I wouldn't put it past Verizon to cripple the hardware.
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I don't think we will ever have Google wallet. This is a response from DSB9938, reply 84 on his system write kernel.
Besides the fact that this is not a Wallet thread, our phone has no secure element.
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Google wallet in its current form needs secure element. So unless Google changes that... we are SOL
The reason we can get it on the store is because Verizon lost a case in court and was forced to allow it, so now this is their plan b.
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Howdy, folks.
I'm in a position where I might need to deploy a couple dozen or more Android handsets to field sales reps with specific software preinstalled.
My problem is how to secure either the individual applications in question such as my POS and payment gateway software which have confidential business information such as account numbers, passwords, item, pricing, description, or other data from being changed.
Is there an Android app that would enable me to prevent users from viewing or manipulating various programs or config files or from installing unauthorized applications from the Android Market or sideloads? Or, perhaps there's an app that just locks down the entire phone, disabling any installation, deletion or manipulation of applications?
I think y'all know what I need. Let me know if I'm not clear.
Thanks in advance!
Wow. I'm surprised nobody has a solution for this. So there's nobody out there supporting Android in a corporate environment that has to protect custom apps or keep certain data or settings from prying eyes?
Really, really? Nobody out there has had to lock down Android phones for corporate deployment?
The best bet would be to talk to the provider/manufacturer directly. Our handheld mobil devices (intermec) were purpose built and more restricted than most.
Hard to find answers for locking down your phones here, as most people are probably here to get around manufacturers restrictions.
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The best bet would be to talk to the provider/manufacturer directly. Our handheld mobil devices (intermec) were purpose built and more restricted than most.
Hard to find answers for locking down your phones here, as most people are probably here to get around manufacturers restrictions.
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This isn't the sort of project that a manufacturer would be interested in, or I could afford to work on with them. It'd be only a couple dozen or so handsets, which is not volume enough for any OEM to bother with.
As to where I'm asking, ****... I figured this'd be the BEST place, 'cause y'all know how to get around everything so any recommendations would be pretty airtight.
I know theres pleanty of apps that will allow you to lock certain apps so they cant be opened unless you enter a password. I dont think this is does all of what youre asking but i think its the best thing youll find.
Locking down acess to certain settings within your POS app would have to be something that is an included feature of the app. Im pretty sure a third party app woulldnt be able to do it.
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This isn't the sort of project that a manufacturer would be interested in, or I could afford to work on with them. It'd be only a couple dozen or so handsets, which is not volume enough for any OEM to bother with.
As to where I'm asking, ****... I figured this'd be the BEST place, 'cause y'all know how to get around everything so any recommendations would be pretty airtight.
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Just trying to help out. Next poster is right though, pos software should have its own security built in.
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I'm no dev, but maybe root, uninstall vending apk(market), install app locker, unroot, and maybe go with at&t...their phone won't allow installing non market apps(I think). A dev might even be able to make a rom that will restrict usb to charge only...that seems like a good start.
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Lots off "App Protectors" in the Market
http://news.yahoo.com/smartphone-spying-204933867.html
This sucks but it does not suprise me. Should be a law suit.
Hopefully this will be deemed illegal. I've not looked at Motorola's and Google's user agreements closely but if it isn't in there I sure as hell didn't agree to this.
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Verizon and Rogers don’t use Carrier IQ, Vodafone and O2 “don’t collect info”
"and they’re now joined by iPhone users who discovered pieces of Carrier IQ code in all current models."
I've read that installing a custom ROM would get rid of this (if it had it at all). I installed the app that checks to see if it's installed on your phone and it wasn't on mine. Not that I don't trust Verizon (but I don't trust Verizon). I can't post links yet, but google Carrier IQ and look for "Carrier IQ: How To Find It..." article at techcrunch.com. That has the link to the app that will check your phone to see if you have. But like Alan Wolfe posted, Verizon "says" they don't install it, but still handy to check friend's phones.
Yea Vz did say there not using Carrier IQ, I don't trust them either.
I would not put it past them to use some other way to spy on it's user's.
The app is right here on XDA and Developer is one of are own.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/carrier-iq-sues-treve/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17612559&postcount=110
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Yea Vz did say there not using Carrier IQ, I don't trust them either.
I would not put it past them to use some other way to spy on it's user's.
The app is right here on XDA and Developer is one of are own.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/carrier-iq-sues-treve/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17612559&postcount=110
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Thanks for posting those links....I would've if I could've
Supercurio posted a CARRIER IQ detection app in the market. Seems like verizon has not been lying to us.
I would longer to think that verizon its watching us some other way though. Maybe they have their own proprietary way of doing so?
I wouldn't doubt VZW has stuff on our phones or are trying to get stuff on our phones. Who knows, maybe moto is in on it too. Its a game between users and carriers, going back and forth, they make it, we root it, they patch the root, we find another way and get bl unlocked, they patch both, we start again. In my mind its almost fun haha
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IDMA.DROID.X2
I agree with the fun factor. But for me the
fun end's when they start spying and stealing
my personal information. What's the point of
having password's, firewall's , anti-virus etc.
When they (meaning Moto,Google,Verizon,
Comcast, Micro$oft,AOL,Apple and on & on)
have full access to everything on your phone,
PC.
And it's bad enough they have access to all
this but to store and build data base's that they
sell or get compromised is totally unacceptable.
But that's just My opinion I could be wrong
Probably why our bootloaders are locked. Something in the kernel? </tinfoilhat>
Yeah, its a little far over the line, but the rooting and bootloaders is kinda fun. But VZW doesn't use caller IQ or what ever it is. So until we find out for sure VZW/moto is or isn't spying on us, I don't really care. I'm not mad about the latest spying thing because it doesn't effect me. I still wouldnt put it past them though.
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The harassing of TrevE by CIQ is every bit as disgusting as their product deployment.
Not on me, Verizon doesnt have carrier IQ
Okay after reading through the forums, it appears that for the time being while we can install Google wallet, it is useless. I have also read that the VZW Isis payments are area specific for now. So my question is are there any other alternative apps that we can use to do the same thing? Thanks!
My thought, after having looked around, is there is nothing else like gw, ATM. That may change, but for now, nothing. Isis might be ok, but I think we are probably years away from that getting fully ramped up. Think about it this way, Verizon has yet to even roll it out, them, merchants have to agree to use it and pay their fees, and have to feel like it will generate enough revenue to be worth the cost of new hardware and fees associated with the service. Google got in on an already existing technology, where Verizon's Isis, I think, is totally new. Just my thoughts anyway, I might be way off.
But the upside...we got root in two days, you think these devs are done????? No way. I think several would pony up a bounty for it. It'll come.
bpopilek said:
Okay after reading through the forums, it appears that for the time being while we can install Google wallet, it is useless. I have also read that the VZW Isis payments are area specific for now. So my question is are there any other alternative apps that we can use to do the same thing? Thanks!
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So this morning I was checking around the news sites and I saw the iPhone now gets Google Wallet and we do not, I was pissed.
I just decided to install Google Wallet....it worked....I signed right in. I am currently running CleanROM 1.6.5. In the past when I tried to install it I always got a message saying "blah blah blah blah, you shall not pass". It is possible Scott did something to the CleanROM but I believe I tried it once before.
Can anyone else please confirm?
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So this morning I was checking around the news sites and I saw the iPhone now gets Google Wallet and we do not, I was pissed.
I just decided to install Google Wallet....it worked....I signed right in. I am currently running CleanROM 1.6.5. In the past when I tried to install it I always got a message saying "blah blah blah blah, you shall not pass". It is possible Scott did something to the CleanROM but I believe I tried it once before.
Can anyone else please confirm?
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Use this link here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=
Follow the directions and profit
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Obsidian_soul said:
Use this link here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=
Follow the directions and profit
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Link does not work
Just go to the market and down load google wallet its free and we do get it
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It came out for Android just before the iOS version (hours). Note, that Google did not fix the code to access the secure element so NFC payments (tap-to-pay) are disabled for Verizon, AT&T and T-Mobile users.
I think you should have posted this in the "Verizon Samsung Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting" section. This is more of a question then "general, tips & tricks, etc.".
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Use this link here
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Here is a working link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=42029814
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I've been getting crappy performance with google wallet v2 NFC
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I've been getting crappy performance with google wallet v2 NFC
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Use v1 for right now
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Its not Google that needs to fix any code. Its ATT, T-Mobile and Verizon that have to allow the app to work correctly. They block the app from working correctly to promote their own app. Old news.
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Its not Google that needs to fix any code. Its ATT, T-Mobile and Verizon that have to allow the app to work correctly. They block the app from working correctly to promote their own app. Old news.
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Actually, that's incorrect, and widely know, although normally incorrectly reported.
Google must update wallet to access the secure element on these phones in order for it to tap to pay. They're welcome to do so, as Verizon has stated many times.
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Actually, that's incorrect, and widely know, although normally incorrectly reported.
Google must update wallet to access the secure element on these phones in order for it to tap to pay. They're welcome to do so, as Verizon has stated many times.
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Unfortunately you are incorrect, the tap to pay works fine on Sprint and it works fine when you change your build prop to a non big 3 phone during the set up. This is how the old mod works in conjunction with the xposed framework that removes the root check and region check. Verizon has deliberately blocked access to promote Isis which is their version of Google wallet.
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Sorry, that's incorrect. You're also discounting the fact that the Sprint phone is a different phone, and that the minute you alter the Verizon/Att phones they're no longer bound by the carrier rules.
Again, the simple fact is, all Google has to do is alter wallet to access the secure element, as is required. This a long debated issue, and widely misunderstood. It's google, not the carriers, period.
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Sorry, that's incorrect. You're also discounting the fact that the Sprint phone is a different phone, and that the minute you alter the Verizon/Att phones they're no longer bound by the carrier rules.
Again, the simple fact is, all Google has to do is alter wallet to access the secure element, as is required. This a long debated issue, and widely misunderstood. It's google, not the carriers, period.
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Sorry, that's incorrect. You're also discounting the fact that the Sprint phone is a different phone, and that the minute you alter the Verizon/Att phones they're no longer bound by the carrier rules.
Again, the simple fact is, all Google has to do is alter wallet to access the secure element, as is required. This a long debated issue, and widely misunderstood. It's google, not the carriers, period.
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I hate to do this but you are in fact wrong. The phones are very very close to being the same. Only main differences have to do with radios, Freq's and such. The problem has been confirmed to be on Verizon's end. The Wallet apps are the same and work the same on all devices. Its what the carriers allow that is the problem. Wallet on ATT and Verizon access the SE fine, but its blocked from doing anything at that point. Obviously there is a work around but this does not involve the code in the app being fixed.
Why would Google block these 2 carriers considering they are larger than Sprint? More people using the service is a good thing. Wallet was blocked on the S3 and Note 2 on Verizon and Google had nothing to do with that either. It IS on the carriers end. They have their own service that they want to push instead. Therefore the block is in place.
Background info:
Using Safestrap, I downloaded the Google Play OS onto rom slot 4. (slot 1 is my primary OS)
I followed this procedure (using the non touchwiz links) yet couldn't get tap and pay to work. Is it a wallet problem (with the new update) or a user problem (because I suck and have only had a few experiences flashing zips/roms) Thanks for a reply!
John
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http://www.droid-life.com/2013/10/2...:+DroidLife+(Droid+Life)&utm_content=Facebook
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Just a company who thought they could add Google play without permission. Google will shoot down their request and people will have to sideload like we do on gg
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...you're on XDA. And you're worried about play store access.
I reiterate...
...you're on XDA? And worried about play store access?
I'll make something that roots the device and sideloads the app store and google services all in one button. Don't worry your pretty little head. If that's the only thing they get wrong, then it's still the best device to date.
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...you're on XDA. And you're worried about play store access.
I reiterate...
...you're on XDA? And worried about play store access?
I'll make something that roots the device and sideloads the app store and google services all in one button. Don't worry your pretty little head. If that's the only thing they get wrong, then it's still the best device to date.
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That's not my point! They lied to the consumer and cannot be trusted as a whole. They have been funded on kickstarter based on a lie, not just a small lie, but a giant fraudulent, refund my $ you bastards sized lie.
Root or no root, they sold it as a Google Play store accessible device. And it isn't!
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That's not my point! They lied to the consumer and cannot be trusted as a whole. They have been funded on kickstarter based on a lie, not just a small lie, but a giant fraudulent, refund my $ you bastards sized lie.
Root or no root, they sold it as a Google Play store accessible device. And it isn't!
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They're still working on it, actually, and my understanding is that no 240x240 screen sized device will be capable of supporting it under android 4.3, so they may have it out when they update to 4.3, pending Google's say-so.
So a device that does not have certification for a version of Android that doesn't even exist yet is a fraud?
As far as it not coming on the Android 4.2.2 version, that was public knowledge back in early September.
Oh BTW
"While all efforts are made to ensure timely completion of software functions, software development too can have unforseeable delays which may result in software functions being delivered in an update after a product has shipped."
On the Omate KS page since Aug 21st 2013
Hell. At least they updated you about it vs threatening folks publicly when ever anybody brought up any real issues.
BAWWWWWWWWWW QQ more. This isn't new knowledge and you're an idiot for thinking a company is a fraud because they hit a hiccup they didn't count on when bringing their product to the US.
This is XDA. You're complaining in the wrong place.
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That's not my point! They lied to the consumer and cannot be trusted as a whole. They have been funded on kickstarter based on a lie, not just a small lie, but a giant fraudulent, refund my $ you bastards sized lie.
Root or no root, they sold it as a Google Play store accessible device. And it isn't!
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Are you serious?!? Name at least one crowdfunding campaign that treated their backers with as much respect, which had as many detailed updates, which had stayed on schedule, which has worked so hard around the globe? They came up front about Play store hiccup and even offered an alternative of another on-line store until they will resolve licensing issue with Google (which btw they are working on actively).
I don't understand everyone defending this "upfront" action they decided to take after a Google exec put the kabash on the Play store on this device last week. But I work for a manufacturer of medical devices and if we advertise something to be in our product it has to be there or we would get our assess sued into bankruptcy. My point was that they should have never advertised the device as a Google Play store capable device if they didn't have all their ducks in a row. Business wise, it's unethical and in other markets even criminal.
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Probably because we aren't assholes.
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Probably because we aren't assholes.
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No need for name calling man. I'm just trying to wrap my head around this situation.
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I wasn't calling you one. I will say none of your posts indicated you were trying to understand this so much as belittling those who don't agree with you.
If you want to discuss it, let's discuss it. Don't patronize people.
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I wasn't calling you one. I will say none of your posts indicated you were trying to understand this so much as belittling those who don't agree with you.
If you want to discuss it, let's discuss it. Don't patronize people.
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I certainly was not trying to belittle anyone in the XDA universe.
But the solution of sideloading the Play Store apk is unsettling to me. I own an OUYA and was an early adopter of one of the first Android tablets, the Viewsonic G-book. I have also been rooting and roming since the DROID 1. While ROMS and sideloading is great, it's just unstable and in some situations becomes a full-time job of keeping up with updates and fixes.
I love messing with my devices as much as anyone else here, but for once I'd like to just buy an Android device that I didn't feel the need to have to change in someway, and spending upwards to $300 on an Android device in 2013 with its fair amount of promises should deliver on them.
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I agree with you completely and feel the same way but we need to draw the line here at calling it fraud.
I'm comfortable enough with side loading that it isn't an issue but the developer model is what is being discussed. November 30th is a long ways away in shipping terms and until they definitively say no I just think it's better not to get up in arms about it. Let them do their thing. Believe me when I say that if they screw this up they will sink.
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I don't understand everyone defending this "upfront" action they decided to take after a Google exec put the kabash on the Play store on this device last week.
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ORLY. AGAIN, the play store (Google Services) issue was a matter of public knowledge for over a month.
kevinb77 said:
My point was that they should have never advertised the device as a Google Play store capable device if they didn't have all their ducks in a row. Business wise, it's unethical and in other markets even criminal.
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Should they have removed the mention of Play Store being included back in early Sept? In my opinion yes. The release that recently came out should have also been done back then as well. "unethical"? Maybe. Criminal? No. The disclaimer that was a the bottom of their KS since day one covers their ass. Period, end of story, thanks for playing.
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I agree with you completely and feel the same way but we need to draw the line here at calling it fraud.
I'm comfortable enough with side loading that it isn't an issue but the developer model is what is being discussed. November 30th is a long ways away in shipping terms and until that definitively say no I just think it's better not to get up in arms about it. Let them do their thing. Believe me when I say that if they screw this up they will sink.
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All the KS units are in the clear. The pre-orders may be another matter.
In my book, the campaign of AI Watch is fraudulent. Regarding Omate, I have a pretty good feeling that even if they would have published this disclaimer while campaign was active - they still would have gotten as much supporters/backers because for a lot of the people not including Google play store is not a show stopper. With a ways around it (sideloading), and alternative store, and active updates about working with Google to resolve this officially, I still say they built a strong community trust.
Btw, with Google planning to release their own smartwatch and probably a pressure from tanking Gear, something tells me there are political reasons for Google to continue delaying their decision. Just my conspiracy theory
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In my book, the campaign of AI Watch is fraudulent.
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At least Omate have admitted that Google Play support won't be there out the box, unlike AI Smartwatch, which is in the same position. They are still giving the impression it comes with Play store.
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I think its really funny how people are complaining so much about it. i mean i am disappointed my self as its part of why i've pre ordered the 8gb 1gb omate truesmart but it wasn't the main reason the main reason is because its the best smart watch there is so far. I'm no programmer but I can still install apps etc so it wont be too hard for people to install them, them self's once someone provides us with them to install.
as for no smart watches coming with play store i have the omate prototype on my wrist right now (re-branded as simvalley aw-414.go) and it has play store built into the rom. i know because i factory reset it and it was still there. that being said i hope they make an update for the one I'm wearing right now as it has some terrible bugs on the ui that make it not so good for using some apps show multiple copy's of their icons and you can not remove any of them without uninstalling said apps, after you put so many apps on it some start to vanish and can only be seen if you search for them, it looks like they tried hybrid the app drawer and the home screens as their is no home screens so no widgets or only showing apps you want to see. it also has folders but their useless as you can only put 3 apps in them. it becomes useless if i install a different launcher to fix the other issues. do you think omate firmware would work on it ? because the firmware thats on it says omate_hw2.0_20130923.1 and the model number says omate too.
if someone releases firmware for it that works properly it would be not so bad and very similar to the lower spec omate internals wise? as it seems to be reasonable for its specs if you ignore those software bugs that should have been fixed before release.
NachTSS said:
I think its really funny how people are complaining so much about it. i mean i am disappointed my self as its part of why i've pre ordered the 8gb 1gb omate truesmart but it wasn't the main reason the main reason is because its the best smart watch there is so far. I'm no programmer but I can still install apps etc so it wont be too hard for people to install them, them self's once someone provides us with them to install.
as for no smart watches coming with play store i have the omate prototype on my wrist right now (re-branded as simvalley aw-414.go) and it has play store built into the rom. i know because i factory reset it and it was still there. that being said i hope they make an update for the one I'm wearing right now as it has some terrible bugs on the ui that make it not so good for using some apps show multiple copy's of their icons and you can not remove any of them without uninstalling said apps, after you put so many apps on it some start to vanish and can only be seen if you search for them, it looks like they tried hybrid the app drawer and the home screens as their is no home screens so no widgets or only showing apps you want to see. it also has folders but their useless as you can only put 3 apps in them. it becomes useless if i install a different launcher to fix the other issues. do you think omate firmware would work on it ? because the firmware thats on it says omate_hw2.0_20130923.1 and the model number says omate too.
if someone releases firmware for it that works properly it would be not so bad and very similar to the lower spec omate internals wise? as it seems to be reasonable for its specs if you ignore those software bugs that should have been fixed before release.
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I'm sure if it doesn't work right out of the box, we can make you a rom from the Omate that will work quite easily.
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I'm sure if it doesn't work right out of the box, we can make you a rom from the Omate that will work quite easily.
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It does not sadly. I mean its still useable but the issues it does have make it not very good to use so it really needs a rom that works properly.
the rom thats on it is custom build version: OMATE_HW2.0_20130923.115849 and the model number is listed as OMATE.
but yeah I'd be really grateful if someone does make a custom rom for it that works properly and tells me which google play store version to install and were to get the apk etc, I'm also guessing they would need to make a rooting app for it too so it could be flashed tho right?