I was ready to pull the trigger on the N10, but I've been reading some horrible reviews about battery life and charging and random reboots. I'm now reconsidering the TF700.
My thought is that the reboots I've read about can be fixed by just getting on a custom ROM, which I'm sure the review writers were not on. But the seemingly low quality of the build makes me nervous.
So I guess the question now is: N10 or TF700? Or maybe something else?
I had a tf700 and I put it up for sale two seconds after I turned on the Nexus 10. the Nexus 10 is hands down the best 10in android tablet!
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I was ready to pull the trigger on the N10, but I've been reading some horrible reviews about battery life and charging and random reboots. I'm now reconsidering the TF700.
My thought is that the reboots I've read about can be fixed by just getting on a custom ROM, which I'm sure the review writers were not on. But the seemingly low quality of the build makes me nervous.
So I guess the question now is: N10 or TF700? Or maybe something else?
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Need more information. What are you primarily using it for? Both can do everything, but each does a few things slightly better/different.
Here's an older thread full of ex-TF700 owners sharing their experiences compared to the N10. Rather than repeat, I'll just drop a link...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2066330
Since my post in that thread was made before I owned my Nexus 10, I'll add that the N10 feels much more solid compared to the Transformer in spite of the flex, the rubber just feels like it could handle whatever life throws at it better than the metal of the transformer. CM10.1 does indeed fix the reboots. The battery life seems slightly better to me than the Infinity without the dock.
IMO the only plus the TF700 has are its SD card slot and dock.
Sold my TF300T the moment the nexus 10 was released and haven't regretted it for a second.
Find the nexus 10 community (growing by the day thanks to Google getting better with stock), the look and feel a lot better. Add AOSP and it wins hands down.
Was a little concerned about not having micro sd support but after having the device for a couple months don't even notice.
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I was ready to pull the trigger on the N10, but I've been reading some horrible reviews about battery life and charging and random reboots. I'm now reconsidering the TF700.
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The N10 is still very new and some of the non-h/w related issues should be resolved over time. As for the TF700 you'd be trading one set of issues for another. There are ample threads here, on the Note 10.1, and TF700 forums talking about the TF700 in comparison. You owe it to yourself to read them before making a decision. Since neither device is "perfect" the choice comes down to one using the latest tech at the beginning of its life or year-old tech at the end of its life. The former is much more likely to get ongoing support; especially since it's a Nexus device.
I have a TF300t running clean Rom inheritance and it runs great. Even the stock Rom with the newest update runs great. Plus you can get a 32gb unit for $330 no shipping, no tax and save some coin. Add a 64gb micro sd and have 96gb storage for under $400. Very easy to root or unlock too!
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I have a TF300t running clean Rom inheritance and it runs great. Even the stock Rom with the newest update runs great. Plus you can get a 32gb unit for $330 no shipping, no tax and save some coin. Add a 64gb micro sd and have 96gb storage for under $400. Very easy to root or unlock too!
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And you voided your warranty, are using what little RAM of the 1GB available is left to cache your browser data, and still don't have 5GHz Wi-Fi support, channel bonding, Glonass for location services, or a FHD display. And by the time you add the cost of SquareTrade to replace the voided warranty and the cost of the SD card to bypass Asus' crappy NAND it cost the same or more as a N10. To each their own.
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I have a TF300t running clean Rom inheritance and it runs great. Even the stock Rom with the newest update runs great. Plus you can get a 32gb unit for $330 no shipping, no tax and save some coin. Add a 64gb micro sd and have 96gb storage for under $400. Very easy to root or unlock too!
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I had a TF300T for a while and I liked it but I would pay the additional money and get the N10, best tablet I have ever used. We use tablets at work so I have used an iPad 2, iPad 3, Galaxy Tab 10.1, Asus TF300T, Nexus 7 at work and the Nexus 10 I bought personally.
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I was ready to pull the trigger on the N10, but I've been reading some horrible reviews about battery life and charging and random reboots. I'm now reconsidering the TF700.
My thought is that the reboots I've read about can be fixed by just getting on a custom ROM, which I'm sure the review writers were not on. But the seemingly low quality of the build makes me nervous.
So I guess the question now is: N10 or TF700? Or maybe something else?
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The TF700 may have the advantage of having less issues, since it's an older platform which has had the benefit of time to iron out the wrinkles. However, it has inferior hardware and won't be supported as well or as long as the N10. There's nothing low quality about the N10 build.
I currently have a lot of issues with my N10, but man is it beautiful. Everything from the hardware to the software. Yes, there are lots of annoying little bugs, but as a whole only a few show-stoppers and will hopefully get them fixed. Certainly if you have no problems with installing ROMs, you won't have to wait as long. Also, many of the real show-stopper issues have to do with having multiple accounts - a new feature in 4.2. So if you're the only user (which will be true in the TF700) then you won't have many of the issues.
Having said all of this, there are definitely a few really nice benefits of going with the TF700. It's older/slower hardware, but again, if you don't mind ROMs then you don't care about updates and you get a beautiful dock design with a physical keyboard and a much better battery life. Having a physical keyboard also has a benefit of not wasting real-estate when a keyboard is required. Using a software keyboard sucks for lots of typing: long-winded emails, posts and documents .
By the way, what do you mainly want to do with the tablet? That may push you into a certain direction. If the TF700 came with the N10 specs and N10 software/support (or lack there of, right now )... I'd be all over the TF700.
Not sure if this helps
Having owned two tf201's, and two tf700's I can tell you performance wise, and just about every other way, the nexus 10 is far superior.
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I've had a tf201 and now a tf700. I also had the n10 for 2 weeks. The only reason I kept the Tf700 is I got the dock + tablet for about $500 and love the keyboard on it. Performance wise, even with cleanrom and clemsey kernel it doesnt beat the performance and smoothness of the n10. If you dont need a keyboard go for the n10. I'm reconsidering buy it again and just getting a separate bluetooth keyboard. I'm just waiting for CES to be over just in case a better tablet comes out thats better than the n10 with keyboard.
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i bought both the tf700 and the N10 to compare. all i can say is that tegra 3 is a couple of generations behind the nexus's a15 processor. i saw lots of lag, sluggish behavior and lots of FC even on stock on the tf700. the N10 is very smooth and if you turn down the animations in dev mode, you dont see the studders people talk about. the only reason one would pick the tf700 would be due to the screen and optional keyboard. The screen is just farrrr superior than the N10. even though the N10 has a higher PPI and Res, asus's ips screen is just super vivid and lifelike. N10 is number 1 android tablet and will be for a while, until they release some tegra 4/ snapdragon 800 devices
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i bought both the tf700 and the N10 to compare. all i can say is that tegra 3 is a couple of generations behind the nexus's a15 processor. i saw lots of lag, sluggish behavior and lots of FC even on stock on the tf700. the N10 is very smooth and if you turn down the animations in dev mode, you dont see the studders people talk about. the only reason one would pick the tf700 would be due to the screen and optional keyboard. The screen is just farrrr superior than the N10. even though the N10 has a higher PPI and Res, asus's ips screen is just super vivid and lifelike. N10 is number 1 android tablet and will be for a while, until they release some tegra 4/ snapdragon 800 devices
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It could have lagged due to bad I/O.
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Having owned two tf201's, and two tf700's I can tell you performance wise, and just about every other way, the nexus 10 is far superior.
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Which is why ive got a tf700 for sale if anyone wants it!!
I had a TF201. It was NOTHING but problems. Stay away from everything Asus. They're terrible. I sold mine for an N10 and am very happy.
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I had a TF201. It was NOTHING but problems. Stay away from everything Asus. They're terrible. I sold mine for an N10 and am very happy.
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Actually their nexus 7 has lots of good views
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The N10 is in another league than the TF700. I've had both.
Sold the tf700 after a few months of usage. The N10 has been pretty much awesome, and its way smoother.
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For playing games with more enjoyment, I would like to suggest the TF 700, for experiencing the latest Android version, then get the Nexus 10.
As a user of TF700 and struggling a lot with it I have been keeping my close eye on the Nexus 10. If I didn't unlock my TF700 about 3months ago and this way voiding the warranty and at the same time making it harder to sell I would have probably done it already.
But then something magical happened with the new CM10.1 kernel and now this tablet really is super smooth. I still do think that Tegra 3 is no match for A15 by any means but this is still very snappy now.
Also I am a bit worried about some people complaining about the battery life of the Nexus 10. With TF700 it is so great to basically have 2 batteries with the dock. Also because I am using the tablet a lot at work I actually do need the dock to write reports.
Yet I do like the idea of having a pure Nexus device.
I am just wondering that because we are here at Nexus 10 site does people here always praise their current device even if there are a lot of problems. I am tempted to try but I am worried that it will end up in a similar disastrous start which I had with TF700.
Oh and the reason why I am still reading here is that I have these 2 white dots on my screen of TF700 and because unlocking can't return it anymore..and they are driving me crazy..
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I'm seriously thinking in selling my prime to get a Nexus 7. So far I know that for 250 bucks you get:
No rear camera
No Hepatic feedback
No Micro SD Card Slot
A smaller device
Possibility of connect a Keyboard Dock.
I think I would be totally ok with that except maybe for the rear camera (I think that its more useful in a 7 inch device than in a 10')
So now my question for everyone who switched from the Prime to N7 is, are you missing something from the prime? something from the above list maybe?
Regards
I wouldn't ever trade my prime for a n7 I guess I prefer the larger screen. Just install jb and it run pretty damn nice. Of course it imho
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I wouldn't ever trade my prime for a n7 I guess I prefer the larger screen. Just install jb and it run pretty damn nice. Of course it imho
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Really? even the know I/O issues are fixed with the JB preview builds?
I have both. which both of them working great also. when I'm using the nexus 7 I don't miss those things you mentioned. but I would never ever ever sell my prime just to buy a nexus 7. mines perform too well for that. nexus 7 is a great experience out the box. but my nexus 7 doesn't have the power like my prime has with its custom rom & kernel. prime is too versatile with the keyboard dock and everything else.
they compliment each other very well. I plan on keeping both. prime stays indoors. nexus 7 used indoors or outdoors. I would recommend getting a Nexus 7 asap as its an amazing 7in. tablet. I'm sticking with both of them.
they really can't even be compared to each other. compare it to other 7in. or 7.7in. on the market. then you will see the nexus 7 is hands down the best out there. Quite a few major tech sites are toting the nexus 7 as the best Android tablet released so far, period.
I have both too, and they are different , with different use cases. The n7 is far more portable but way less versatile. I was planning on choosing between them, but will probably keep both.
Thanks for your answers guys, unfortunately I don´t have the possibilities of having both, at least not now, maybe I will have to wait a little bit more.
Anyway I'm happy with my prime but the Nexus experience that I have with my Gnex is what makes me want to test the N7.
Best Regards.
I have both and I haven't used my prime since Wednesday when I received my n7. Haptic feedback is pointless. Never took a picture with my prime. My prime is unlocked and rooted with every tweak and mod out there and it doesn't perform anywhere near ad well as the n7. The only thing better about the prime is the screen it only for the purpose of Netflix.
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I had both the prime and the n7 both are great devices but due to the size difference you can't really compare the two. I sold the nexus today as I prefer my galaxy tab 7.7 the Samsung has a better screen and even though they are close in size the 7.7 seems quite a but bigger and did I mention it has a much better screen !
I wouldn't be able to live with a N7. It's a cool piece of hardware, and a great deal, but it's basically a toy. The prime doesn't really compare to most tablets because it's still the only tablet on the market that can replace a laptop, so it appeals to a different group of people (me included) then other tablets do. It's got a big screen, expandable storage in both the tablet and the dock, best battery life for any tablet, and the keyboard is great for school work. So no, as cool as a nexus 7 is, I don't want to spend 250$ on something that is only good for watching 16GB worth of movies or casual gaming.
I had both. I just returned the nexus 7 as it was too small and too fat. I love how slim the prime is but jelly bean was awesome (although the phablet mode wasn't).
So the answer for me was the prime but I knew I wanted jb so I finally unlocked and installed team eos JB rom and I couldn't be happier. Lag is gone, and the device is just awesome again. Go prime.
I have both and they are different use cases. The Nexus 7 is pointing out how clunky some of the software issues I am having with the Prime are though. The Nexus works how I would like my Prime to (no crashes of Google apps like Gmail, no force closes, being able to charge it past 62% etc.). Because of the glitches with the Prime software implementation I am finding myself using the Nexus 7 a lot more but if they could be resolved the Prime would be my go to productivity tablet.
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I'm seriously thinking in selling my prime to get a Nexus 7. So far I know that for 250 bucks you get:
No rear camera
No Hepatic feedback
No Micro SD Card Slot
A smaller device
I think I would be totally ok with that except maybe for the rear camera (I think that its more useful in a 7 inch device than in a 10')
So now my question for everyone who switched from the Prime to N7 is, are you missing something from the prime? something from the above list maybe?
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I think you left out one thing you give up with the N7 - and it's a big one, at least for me. That is the keyboard dock. If you don't have and/or don't want the dock then it won't matter to you. But for me, the dock is one of the main reasons for selecting the Prime in the first place. I absolutely cannot do any decent typing on any on-screen keyboard no matter how good it is. They just don't work for me personally. Add to that the ability to connect USB devices; I use memory sticks, an external track ball and a usb wired ethernet adapter - sometimes all at the same time connected through a usb 2.0 hub. In addition to the 32 GB micro-sd card in the prime itself, I have an additional 64 GB SDXC card in the dock - so it has as much storage as my laptop's SSD (though in three different places and the 64 GB only when in the dock).
For remote administration tasks, I've got VPN and a remote desktop client. That allows me to remote into Windows servers and have the keyboard and mouse that make all the difference when using it that way.
As far as all the issues people are reporting - I just have not seen them. Perhaps it's because I have a later production unit (C3 serial number)? Or perhaps because I got mine just as the .28 update came out and did a complete wipe and clean install of .28 - without ever having used whatever version was already on there from the factory (I didn't even look). So mine has not been though the multiple update on top of update process like the older ones have. I have also never really used the built in browser - which seems to be the source of a lot of the complaints. I went directly to Chrome and keep Dolphin around for times when the need for Flash arises.
I also don't quite understand all the people who seem to be constantly switching devices. To paraphrase "..I had a prime, then an N7 and now I'm going with a Samsung...". Constantly buying and selling devices has got to be an incredibly expensive proposition with a significant loss of $$ ever time you sell.
Based on all of the above, here is my recommendation - given that the guts of the two are basically the same and the Prime will soon be updated to 4.1 - making the software much the same too: If you prefer a 7 " screen over 10.1 and don't need or want the dock, go with the N7. If you prefer the 10.1 inch screen and want the dock and already have a prime - then keep it. If you want a 10.1 inch screen and don't currently have anything, wait for the TF700.
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I had both. I just returned the nexus 7 as it was too small and too fat. I love how slim the prime is but jelly bean was awesome (although the phablet mode wasn't).
So the answer for me was the prime but I knew I wanted jb so I finally unlocked and installed team eos JB rom and I couldn't be happier. Lag is gone, and the device is just awesome again. Go prime.
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I am glad to hear that because I have both also and N7 make the prime feel like a laggy piece of crap.
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As far as all the issues people are reporting - I just have not seen them. Perhaps it's because I have a later production unit (C3 serial number)? Or perhaps because I got mine just as the .28 update came out and did a complete wipe and clean install of .28 - without ever having used whatever version was already on there from the factory (I didn't even look). So mine has not been though the multiple update on top of update process like the older ones have.
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That's my case, too - I got my C3-serial Prime shortly after .28 came out, so I upgraded first thing, before installing anything. I, too, have not had major systemic problems. I get some ANRs in the stock browser, but I generally know which websites cause that and avoid them. And like you, the dock is a major factor about the Prime; frankly, I cannot recall the last time I took it out of the dock, except to show people that it can be done.
So I guess I can afford to be patient and wait for Jellybean...
Thank you all for the answers, that really help.
I think I will keep the Prime for while, unless I can get a good deal selling it which I don't think will happen. I'm starting to see a subset of problems that have been reported for prime now in the N7 forum, Problems such as poor WiFi, ANR's, random reboots, etc, Except for some ANR's in the prime never had other issue and my unit is one of the first, so I think i was a lucky one without problems and take risk with an ASUS device again.. not sure I want to be there.
I don't have the dock, not really something that I think I need you, but is a good point, in fact I will edit the OP.
and for unlocking the Prime, the only reason why I have not do that yet is because is an irreversible process and I though that if for some reason I have to sell the prime that could be a decisions factor for a potential customer, but know I think will just do it and test the JB builds.
I use the rear camera way more than I expected to. And both the uSD and dock are must haves, so the N7 doesn't have much draw for me. My prime is unlocked and running a custom rom so it is fast and stable to boot. JB will just make it even better I'm sure but honestly I could wait quite a while for JB since I'm pretty satisfied.
I also got both, and there is no comparing them really. An analogous OP would be something like:
"For those that already switched to the Toyota Prius from the Toyota Sequoia, do you miss something?"
Since everyone has different use scenarios, I suppose this totally hinges on what you did with your prime. Personally, I have a hard time with the no hdmi/mhl thing. I really like to be able to hook up whatever tablet I have for some quick computing on a larger screen or just for a quick movie. A close second in features that I miss when I only have the nexus is the rear cam... never realized how nice the cam on the back of the prime was.
I have both, and I agree that the dock is a huge plus both in battery life and use. However the software is "snappy" on the N7 so I am looking forward to JB on the prime. I really do not think I could pick one, but if I had to for someone else I would say it depends on what you use it for.
Will also go for both. Hopefully my N7 will arrive this week. In my opinion 10inch are more for the table while 7 is more comfortable for relaxing, games and outside usage.
I own both the Nexus 7 and the TFP. To be honest, I use the Nexus 7 more; the 7" format does a better job of serving my particular use case -- reading long-form text, versus content generation or extensive multimedia (movies). From my thoughts on another thread:
So basically I think it comes down more to the form factor (7" device) than the device itself. I think a 7" device is best for reading books, saved websites (ReadItLater/Pocket, Instapaper), and content aggregators (Currents, Flipboard) -- basically text. It's small, super light, and convenient to throw in my bag, whereas I think twice before bringing my 10" Transformer Prime around. The 10" screen is best for actual website surfing, movies, photos, and content generation (drawing, word processing, etc.).
That said, the Nexus 7 is the best 7" device you can get today. It's very light and easy to hold one-handed, and though it's not razor thin, it's a competent thickness. The build quality is very good -- feels solid and the material on the back feels very high quality (fake leather ish). The screen is nice and sharp (especially from 2' feet away, normal reading distance) with good off-angle viewing, though I wish the maximum brightness was higher. Finally, the Jelly Bean version of Android OS is quite competent -- movement, swipes and touch responses are fast and responsive (though unoptimized apps may still stutter, but that's not Google's problem). In fact, the Nexus 7 is much faster and smoother (and less glitchy) than my ASUS Transformer Prime. It's a nice device.
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Hey guys,
I currently have a nexus 7. I bought it on Tuesday, and I'm loving it so far.
I also pre-ordered one through Google Play the day after I/O and just received that one yesterday.
My question is, should I return them both and just get the TF700T instead? Has anyone had any experience in either devices? I love the little form factor of the Nexus, but seeing as I am in college, the TF700T + dock would seem to make more sense. Does the 10.1" form factor really make that big of a difference on portability? What about weight?
I own an old HP touchpad, but it has a cracked screen + needs to be restored to factory defaults (issues with that, SD mount problems after updating CM9) and I'll probably sell the thing.
What do you guys reccomend? I use my tablet for web browsing, gaming, catching up on tech news and an occasional youtube video/netflix movie. In college I could use it instead of my laptop for most work that doesn't involve programming or running any cisco software (unless I use remote desktop or something)
I also use a Galaxy Nexus for a still pretty large mobile web experience, should I get the TF700T? Also, I couldn't find it anywhere else but tigerdirect or amazon with a markup.
ANY tips would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
That's hard to answer really. In my opinion, there's a huge difference between the 7 inch and 10 inch tablets. The 10 inch is about twice the size of your nexus 7. Yes, it weighs more too. I use my prime as my primary device, but I don't do any programming. You have to really think about what you're going to use it for. The 7 is perfect for reading and web browsing (most sights), but the 10 is more like a small laptop.
I would not trade my prime for a nexus 7, but the smaller screen doesn't fit what I want. I think a 10 inch device can be your primary, but I don't think the 7 could.
i would take the tf700t over the nexus 7 and it will be updated to jelly bean soon.
My consideration is you need 2 hands to operate nexus 7 anyway, so why don't use a bigger screen instead ... so i'm sticking with my prime.
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Best solution, since you have 2 nexus 7. Return 1. Have a 700 & nexus 7. I have prime+dock & nexus 7. they compliment each other well.
They really can't be compared. 700 more powerful & has bigger high quality screen. but nexus 7 is a powerful little device also. Its no slouch. 7in. Form factor is far more portable.
How exactly does this post belong in this section of the forum? As you might see I am not a heavy poster but I follow the forum very closely. Can you please post on the correct device post, instead of just choosing the most popular in the hope to get more replies.
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How exactly does this post belong in this section of the forum? As you might see I am not a heavy poster but I follow the forum very closely. Can you please post on the correct device post, instead of just choosing the most popular in the hope to get more replies.
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I'm sorry but I did not see a dedicated forum for the TF700T. So where was I supposed to put it, the Nexus 7 forums? Almost everyone there would have said to get the Nexus 7 based on price alone. I feel like the owners of the TF700T would have a better judgement on the subject, having spent a good amount of cash on their tablet.
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Best solution, since you have 2 nexus 7. Return 1. Have a 700 & nexus 7. I have prime+dock & nexus 7. they compliment each other well.
They really can't be compared. 700 more powerful & has bigger high quality screen. but nexus 7 is a powerful little device also. Its no slouch. 7in. Form factor is far more portable.
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technically I have 3 N7's. I have the 2 I have for myself, and I told my mom to get one. So I could use hers when she's not using it if I want to be able to have a 7 inch tablet. But there's no way I am going to keep 2 N7's and a TF700T in my house, kind of a waste of money for someone like me (part time retail salesman and full time college kid).
I think I might just return the N7's and get the TF700T. Where should I order it from?
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technically I have 3 N7's. I have the 2 I have for myself, and I told my mom to get one. So I could use hers when she's not using it if I want to be able to have a 7 inch tablet. But there's no way I am going to keep 2 N7's and a TF700T in my house, kind of a waste of money for someone like me (part time retail salesman and full time college kid).
I think I might just return the N7's and get the TF700T. Where should I order it from?
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Well it's been a very long time (30 years) since I was a "college kid", but I would have thought that the TF700 with the keyboard dock would be a lot more versatile than the N7. And, though the N7 is more portable - carrying around a TF700 + dock won't be difficult. I currently carry around my TF201 and dock in a case and it's still roughly only 3 pounds.
I'd get rid of N7 and take TF700. Actually I bought TF700 already 7 inches and lack of microSD is a deal killer.
You can order TF700 from Amazon or bhphotovideo.com
I'd take one TF700 over two N7's any day.
N7 is just a downsized version of the 300 sans mem expansion whereas the 700 is a step above it. No comparison there.
How is this thread allowed here? Just the other day an N7 thread discussing all of the defects and problems w/ the N7 was removed since it wasn't related to the Prime, but this one is okay? If anything, at least yesterday's thread compared the N7's defects w/ the Prime's defects. This thread literally has nothing to do with the Prime.
Anyway, to answer your question, I'd have to say neither, unless you feel like dealing with a company that practices poor design and has zero quality control:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1781237
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1770919
However, if you insist on one of these two devices, I'd go with the N7. The hardware may be falling apart (i.e., read about the display defects in the threads above), but at least the software is rock solid since it's done by Google and not Asus.
does the Nexus 7 suffer from the poor I/O performance that the Prime does?
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does the Nexus 7 suffer from the poor I/O performance that the Prime does?
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no. on rl sqlite benchmark I scored 33 secs. overall on I/O performance(I posted the screenshot in another thread). that put my nexus 7 at the top of the list. other nexus 7 owners have scored similar also. prime issue is likely software/driver wise still.
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does the Nexus 7 suffer from the poor I/O performance that the Prime does?
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I own the Transformer Prime, and just purchased a Nexus 7 for my daughter (11 years old)
If I/O performance refers to how long it takes to transfer data between my PC and the tablet, I'd say they both perform pretty much the same.
I've copied movies to both devices, and it does take a few minutes. However, they're between 700MB and 1.2GB in size, so I'm not that surprised or bothered about the slow transfer.
Haven't done any scientific tests, but based on general use, I don't find transferring data/files to the Nexus7 noticeably faster then when I transfer to my Transformer Prime (and I usually use AirDroid, so I transfer wirelessly, which I'm sure is slower then via cable)
Nexus7 is a fantastic device, and my daughter loves it! I wasn't willing to spend $500 for her, and I also felt the smaller size was a better fit.
She does lose a front camera, and microSD slot. She still has a camera for Skype, which she uses a lot, and the tablet has a beautiful display, and is buttery smooth!
It's an amazing device for the price! (not letting my Prime go, however)
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I own the Transformer Prime, and just purchased a Nexus 7 for my daughter (11 years old)
If I/O performance refers to how long it takes to transfer data between my PC and the tablet, I'd say they both perform pretty much the same.
I've copied movies to both devices, and it does take a few minutes. However, they're between 700MB and 1.2GB in size, so I'm not that surprised or bothered about the slow transfer.
Haven't done any scientific tests, but based on general use, I don't find transferring data/files to the Nexus7 noticeably faster then when I transfer to my Transformer Prime (and I usually use AirDroid, so I transfer wirelessly, which I'm sure is slower then via cable)
Nexus7 is a fantastic device, and my daughter loves it! I wasn't willing to spend $500 for her, and I also felt the smaller size was a better fit.
She does lose a front camera, and microSD slot. She still has a camera for Skype, which she uses a lot, and the tablet has a beautiful display, and is buttery smooth!
It's an amazing device for the price! (not letting my Prime go, however)
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I based what I said off of benchmark scoring(from me n others in nexus 7 forum) and playstore downloads and installs. The apps download & install on nexus 7 alot faster than on prime. Plus the lag is nowhere to be seen on nexus 7 during the download/install of apps/games, unlike the prime. I can have all that going on in background of nexus 7 while doing other things and nothing will freeze up or lag.
Speed transfer from prime or nexus to a pc will be nerfed from it using MTP mode. If mounted as a USB mass storage device, like how it was on older android builds, those transfer speeds would be alot faster.(from what I've heard and read up here in xda)
I cant let my prime go either. But MY nexus 7 has definitely been stealing attention away from my prime. I used my prime earlier but had to put it up and take my nexus 7 off the charger. I'm really liking this 7in. Form factor. Far more portable and easier/lighter to hold. Not too small either(Im 6'5 with big hands so typing on Nexus 7 with thumb keyboard is seamless).
Ditch em now and get one again later
If either are a 16 GB Nexus 7, sell them on eBay and get more than retail for them (or at least equal to retail, assuming they are in pristine condition).
Take money and buy TF700 with dock.
When fervor for Nexus 7 comes down, go buy another one to fill your 7" tablet needs. You may or may not want to get one after you have a TF700. I have the TF201 and I'm trying to tell myself why I don't need a 7" tablet. I think I just want to **** with Jelly Bean. Hell I still might just up and buy an 8 GB just for the hell of it and gift it to my dad when the newness wears off.
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If either are a 16 GB Nexus 7, sell them on eBay and get more than retail for them (or at least equal to retail, assuming they are in pristine condition).
Take money and buy TF700 with dock.
When fervor for Nexus 7 comes down, go buy another one to fill your 7" tablet needs. You may or may not want to get one after you have a TF700. I have the TF201 and I'm trying to tell myself why I don't need a 7" tablet. I think I just want to **** with Jelly Bean. Hell I still might just up and buy an 8 GB just for the hell of it and gift it to my dad when the newness wears off.
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this. I already decided I'm going to get the TF700T. And I've put them on both Ebay and craigslist, no bites so far but hopefully someone buys them. If not I'll just return them within my 2 week time frame.
I'm going to try the TF700T. I read ALL about Asus's quality control issues, and if I can deal with the I/O issues, I'll keep the TF700T. if not, I'll return it and get a galaxy note 10.1 when they come out
Anyone else keeping tabs on the Nexus 7 forums? Asus' crappy quality control is killing many of their users too. There are multiple people who have done multiple exchanges and keep getting units with separated glass (the primary issue), lines of dead pixels, unresponsive touch screens, and blown speakers. I predict this is the last Nexus device we'll see made by Asus. Persistent perfection! Ha.
So since many folks have gotten rid of the Prime, what tablet did you replace it with?
The obvious # 1 choice; Infinity.
- They fixed the gps, wifi, micro sd slot. But there is still audio lag with bluetooth. They didn't fix the slow i/o...still using the slowest possible flash memory. And Asus also didn't increase the battery capacity, with the increase in resolution and clock speed....battery life is too poor.
# 2: Acer Iconia A700.
- High resolution screen, low everything. Low clock speed, low brightness screen, laggy performance.
# 3: Huawei MediaPad 10 FHD
- Hi resolution screen, super fast Quad-core 1.5 GHz K3 cpu. Release date unknown.
# 4: Lenovo IdeaTap K2
- High resolution screen, tegra 3, shown at CES...release date unknown.
# 5: Galaxy Note 10.1
- Exynos 4 quad core cpu, faster than tegra performance. Actual stereo speakers, 2 gb ram, digitizer pen, same smoothness as on Galaxy 3 phone. But a lower resolution screen.
# 6: iPad 3:
- Great mix of hardware and software....but a boring OS.
# 7: MS Surface and Variants
-Upcoming Win 8 tablets, performance on these tablets seem great so far, no price yet.
So what tablet have replaced Prime with, or are waiting to buy?
Hmmm. I still have my prime and love it with wookie ICS. Had to downgrade from JB still not refined enough for me. Im really digging the note though. I have the AT&T note in tablet mode and think its the best phone ever haha. Might have to pass the prime along to my kid once that comes out.
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I got the infinity but only because bestbuy exchanged my prime
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Hmmm. I still have my prime and love it with wookie ICS. Had to downgrade from JB still not refined enough for me. Im really digging the note though. I have the AT&T note in tablet mode and think its the best phone ever haha. Might have to pass the prime along to my kid once that comes out.
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With a heavy heart, I went for the iPad 3. But I couldn't settle with it. I'm too much into the Google ecosystem and I much prefer Android as an OS. iOS is fine mostly, but the walled garden is too full of strangling ivy...
Off to Best Buy tomorrow to get the Infinity, and off to Apple to return my iPad.
Eagerly awaiting the Note 10.1 - have the Samsung Series 9 Slate (Windows)
I sketch and draw, so the wacom pen is pretty much a sell right there.
And it has a working GPS - with Glonass support.
And integrated CIR which makes it a remote control too.
I've long had a kind of dislike for Samsung because they have a mutual 'non-competition' agreement between Samsung USA and Samsung Canada, which would be ok - except that Samsung Canada brings in a teeeeeny subset of the products you guys in the US get.
On the other hand, recently they've been widening the range of products, and they just opened their first Samsung store in North America in Vancouver of all places. So, it would be hypocritical not to give Samsung a fair chance.
I rather like my Samsung Nexus phone - and I have a Samsung Series 9 Slate (the reference design for Windows 8) which is quite good as well... so I expect the Note 10.1 to be a solid device.
I'd really like to keep on with the Transformer line - but unfortunately, nothing Asus has done has made me feel they've earned my loyalty or even my trust. Time to move on.
I will try galaxy note first, if its not going to be good enough then I will get iPad, I know I hate iOS, but at least it WORKS really good.
I replaced it with iPad 3. Happy.
I guess we're still waiting for a good android tablet. I like the dock - maybe with the MS devices coming out, we'll see a few more of these come along (it's not the same, but it seems MS is pushing that type of form factor more).
Nexus 7.
Got the Nexus 7 till I see a worthy 10 in tablet. Nexus 10 would be fantastic.
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Nexus 7, if you are comfortable with the form factor this N7 performance is far away from the prime.
I'm skeptical that the N7's performance improvement isn't largely software related. I would expect ASUS to leverage a significant amount of the transformer's design/components for yet another tablet rather than designing one from the ground up. I can't imagine them using blazing fast memory for example.
I went with the iPad 2. I'm hearing bad things about the iPad 3. Most people that has one wish they had kept their iPad 2. I liked my prime but it wasn't for ready for the prime time.
After exchanging my prime for the Verizon iPad 4G LTE I couldn't be happier. Although I love android, I prefer iOS on a tablet. However I'll never get an iPhone. Galaxy nexus ftw
Glad I cancelled my Prime pre-order after Asus took out the GPS from the spec. Now I have the Infinity which is faster, higher res and working GPS/Wifi. To those who upgraded for free from Best Buy, congrats and enjoy your new toy.
Got myself the infinity and i absolutely love it. Definitely what the prime would have been in regards to software
I replaced my Prime with the Infinity even though I did not have the many issues with the Prime that others had. But since Best Buy was willing to do the exchange, I went for it. The Infinity is really nice, but awaiting the Microsoft Surface and the new Samsung Note Tab.
There is very little to do with the infinity. Not many roms, didnt unlock mine yet because not sure i want to keep it. If you watch a movie (before the battery dies) the screen is nice but overall not that impressed, my prime with all the problems had jellybean and was working good, now , i feel we are back at square one, at least for the time being as not much is being devloped.. The battery is not great, 5-6 with a very low screen and not doing very much. I think we were all spoiled with the prime.. lol.
For tablets not much else out there right now
Got an Infinity and am using my original keyboard dock. Love it. If there is a IPS+ display version of the Nexus 7 released I will be very tempted to get one to supplement the TF700T.
Gonna be a windows 8 tablet for me, just missing the full experience of windows on the tablet... Excellent for surfing the web, listening some music and watching youtube but that's about it for me.
Also noticed I hardly ever used the prime without the dock anymore so bought a netbook (Samsung 305U1A) for now. A bit bigger then the prime (and damn, I do miss the touch screen hehe) but have hardly touched the prime since.
Can't wait for a nice windows 8 tablet/netbook combo (removable keyboar dock, just because). Just hope the price will be doable.
Hey Everyone,
I have been pretty much decided on purchasing a Nexus 10 as my first entry in to the Tablet market. I planned on selling my Macbook and attempting to live with just a tablet, as to be honest, there isn't much I do on my Macbook nowadays that I could not achieve on a tablet. I wanted to wait until I could play with a Nexus 10 in a store prior to making a purchase just in case though. Obviously this will have to wait a little longer.
In the mean time, my brother just arrived for a visit from Australia and he has the Asus Transformer TF201. I had a play with this last night and have to say, I am very impressed. It has such a solid feel, looks premium and the keyboard dock which has extra battery and all the ports needed is quite fantastic. I hadn't seen one before and wondered what he was doing when he took the screen off what I thought was a small netbook! After having a play, I did some research and see the TF700 has a rather nice HD screen, a little more power and comes in the same lovely package. The only problem is, I can't see it available in the UK anywhere and from all my research, it seems it was due out a while back. It seems to be available at some places in Europe, for example you can get a French one, which would have a French keyboard, which I'm not too interested in. Otherwise, you can get from America on Ebay for around 420 pounds including delivery.
Has anyone got this TF700 and if so, what are your thoughts? How do you compare to the Nexus 10? Did you give up the TF700 for the Nexus 10? Or will you be staying put? It's small package and keyboard make it quite an ideal laptop replacement. I don't think it's quite as powerful as the Nexus 10 though.
I hope I posted this in the right place, if not, please tell me and I'll amend.
Cheers,
Mike
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Hey Everyone,
I have been pretty much decided on purchasing a Nexus 10 as my first entry in to the Tablet market. I planned on selling my Macbook and attempting to live with just a tablet, as to be honest, there isn't much I do on my Macbook nowadays that I could not achieve on a tablet. I wanted to wait until I could play with a Nexus 10 in a store prior to making a purchase just in case though. Obviously this will have to wait a little longer.
In the mean time, my brother just arrived for a visit from Australia and he has the Asus Transformer TF201. I had a play with this last night and have to say, I am very impressed. It has such a solid feel, looks premium and the keyboard dock which has extra battery and all the ports needed is quite fantastic. I hadn't seen one before and wondered what he was doing when he took the screen off what I thought was a small netbook! After having a play, I did some research and see the TF700 has a rather nice HD screen, a little more power and comes in the same lovely package. The only problem is, I can't see it available in the UK anywhere and from all my research, it seems it was due out a while back. It seems to be available at some places in Europe, for example you can get a French one, which would have a French keyboard, which I'm not too interested in. Otherwise, you can get from America on Ebay for around 420 pounds including delivery.
Has anyone got this TF700 and if so, what are your thoughts? How do you compare to the Nexus 10? Did you give up the TF700 for the Nexus 10? Or will you be staying put? It's small package and keyboard make it quite an ideal laptop replacement. I don't think it's quite as powerful as the Nexus 10 though.
I hope I posted this in the right place, if not, please tell me and I'll amend.
Cheers,
Mike
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Mike,
I've had both the Prime and the Infinity. Prime was plagued with light bleed issues and bad wifi reception so Asus traded mine for the TF700. It was nearly perfect for one dumb but vital mistake, the eMMc on which Asus decided to save some money (that is, they put a very poor and cheap one in it). Because of that, the devices lags in the browser and starts lagging when you have multiple apps open. By lag I don't mean it takes micro secs longer. The device would just lock up for a few seconds before continuing (slowly) and does that a few times.. There is a work-a-round which improves performance a bit called CleanROM. However, for that you have to unlock your device which you have to do via the Asus website and voids all your warranty. So I sold the Infinity to get the N10 as I was sick of it. I hope the N10 is better.
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The cheap emmc on all Asus tablets is a deal breaker. Untill they fix that I wouldn't recomend any asus tablet.
I am not confident about Transformer's storage performance. Check this simple video about boot speed. Obviously SoC plays a part, but I believe that the NAND also plays a vital role.
Just found some numbers. Check the Infinity numbers about Androbench storage test:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6073/the-google-nexus-7-review/6
Compare this against N10:
http://cdn.androidpolice.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/nexusae0_Screenshot_2012-11-07-12-09-06.png
Important are first 4 numbers (Sequential read/write and random read/write).
Seeing 2 votes for the Asus, any reasons why guys? Input would be greatly appreciated! Cheers.
I have both in my posession right now.
The infinity like others have said is almost a perfect tablet. It has everything. However the device is SLOW. As others have stated Asus cheaper out on the memory and using the device is a chore.
I will be keeping my nexus and returning my 700. The nexus is amazingly smooth, less light bleed than my Asus.
The only downfall is no micro SD on the nexus vs the Asus.
Edit: there are votes for the nexus, not the Asus. Everyone so far has been pro nexus
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Same here,nice display on tf700 but using it is a chore
As soon as my order is marked as shipped im putting it on ebay/craigslist
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I have both in my posession right now.
The infinity like others have said is almost a perfect tablet. It has everything. However the device is SLOW. As others have stated Asus cheaper out on the memory and using the device is a chore.
I will be keeping my nexus and returning my 700. The nexus is amazingly smooth, less light bleed than my Asus.
The only downfall is no micro SD on the nexus vs the Asus.
Edit: there are votes for the nexus, not the Asus. Everyone so far has been pro nexus
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When you say slow, do you mean in all operations? Or anything specific? I used the TF201 last night for a few hours of web browsing and general stuff and that seemed to be pretty good. It was running Jellybean too. Surely the TF700 must be a step up from this in performance which couldn't be that bad?
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When you say slow, do you mean in all operations? Or anything specific? I used the TF201 last night for a few hours of web browsing and general stuff and that seemed to be pretty good. It was running Jellybean too. Surely the TF700 must be a step up from this in performance which couldn't be that bad?
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There's nothing wrong with the tf700. It appeals to a lot of people that offers a lot of options. I owned a tf700 and enjoyed it for the 30 days AI had it. It was fast and JB was a nice welcome. I had rooted it and stayed locked and stocked. Only tweaks were installing Browser2ram for faster stock browser experience. Its true IO is an issue if you choose to stay locked. Available ram will dip close to 350 to 400mb available from its 1gig. Sometime as low as 100mb left due to having several widgets and or playing a high intensive game. So multitasking can be a challenge at times. If you unlock and install a custom rom like Cleanrom, you won't have any IO issues. It is definitely a step up from the Prime, I also owned that for 6months before I switched to the Infinity. Just returned my Note10.1 for the N10! Can't wait to get my hands on it!
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Wasn't intending to put the Asus down. It is a great tablet. The only thing that holds it back is the slow internal memory. To really bring out the full potential you have to unlock it (which voids the warranty sending your serial number to Asus). Install cleanrom and a kernel, and some have gone as far as buying a class 10 64gb micro SD and moving the data partition to that negating the internal memory.
I would keep my Asus if the internal wasn't so slow. Browsing Netflix, the market was just tedious. Installing apps took forever. I would much rather do things on. My phone than the Asus. Its a shame because that's the only flaw I found with the tablet.
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I cannot comment on ASUS's poor choice on the internal storage; but with a Galaxy Prevail I had, there was a mod that could transfer data to an external micro SD card. Upon doing this, I couldn't even use the device just due to how bad the lag was (the micro SD card I was using must of been a slower class). Switched back to internal, and all was well.
So using a slower flash controller can make the overall experience of a device very much worse.
My input is biased as I have not owned Nexus 10, and may not ever. Still debating.
But I have done extensive research about all the major tablet out there including Nexus 10, various windows 8 tablets, and owned Infinity myself for about 3 months or so. I sold it in anticipation of Nexus 10.
So here are some of things I can tell (nexus 10 part is just a speculation, and definitely guys own the device can tell you better)
Screen - Nexus 10
Infinity's screen was phenomenal when I jumped from iPad 2. Then I got Note 10.1, and just could not tolerate the lower resolution anymore so had to go back to Infinity. I am not sure if the Infinity to Nexus 10 gives the same degree of jump, but it is possible if you purely look at difference in number of pixel densities. Though one thing I can say is if you never used higher resolution screen, it's hard to know what you are missing. Because I saw new Ipad several times, but until owned Infinity myself and used for couples day I really did not appreciate the difference.
Battery Life - Infinity.
Charge time is faster, extra docking battery, and perhaps tablet itself already has better battery than the Nexus 10 according to paper.
Extra storage - Infinity
MicroSD. I am sure you can connect couple cables via microUSB and use them on Nexus 10 as well, but certainly not as convenient and visually not as good.
Build Quality - Likely Nexus 10
I have never exchanged any of my electronics before in my life. With infinity, I had to do it twice and seems like quite few complaints on the forum here. So when you get a good unit, it's great but there is chance you might have to go through couple exchange. As far as light bleed, some person posted on this forum that Nexus 10 has light bleed. That was actually worth if not the same to the worst light bleed I had on my 3 infinity tablet i.e. both have light bleed.
Dock station - Its really nice to have docking keyboard on infinity. People are hoping Pogo connector on Nexus 10 to support this, and personally I am dreaming the same. However, to be honest, I am not even certain that connector support such type of input.
Application Performance - Likely Nexus 10
Overall performance is likely stronger on Nexus 10, but so far reviews I have read across multiple sites sounds like not a complete ground breaking performance. Nexus 10 certainly has better GPU than Infinity, but supports way more pixels. CPU wise, perhaps it may be due to the fact the some benchmarks are not yet optimized for A15 architecture, but if you look at some benchmark like Antutu Infinity is superior. (Mainly because quad vs. dual core difference I believe). The other test is Sunspider, which is browser test. After the latest firmware update, Infinity's stock browser gives 900's score. Clearly above the Nexus 10, but nexus 10's score also likely to go up. However, there tests are generally just number and I don't think not true reflection of real experience by any mean.
As far as slow internal storage, it is true that Infinity uses inferior internal storage; however, whether you really notice this as major issue or not is depends on how you use your tablet. Initially, people complained this as a cause of slow browser page loading, near complete stall of system while application downloading. Also, relatively frequent application not responding errors. These have been alleviated by update; however, not eradicated. So wonder how Nexus 10 solved this.
Wifi Performance - Nexus 10
MiMo should give quite extra wifi performance.
Future proof - ?
Nexus 10 will definitely get quicker updates on OS. But ASUS is also very fast in fact it has been one of the fastest to get OS update among non nexus device. Though actual overall internal hardware is somewhat inferior to that of Nexus 10, Infinity drives less resolution so it may be relatively sufficient for what it has. If so, as developer supports more higher resolution applications on Android platform (to support Nexus 10), Infinity will also benefit at the same time. So my guess is unless Asus gives up, relative future proof are probably similar between the two.
Conclusion
In current stage of tablet market, I just don't see any tablet that is perfect or completely superior to other competitive device including Nexus 10, Infinity, and Galaxy Note 10.1. Personally, I want a tablet with high resolution screen, luxury of Infinity's dock, microSD, and Galaxy Note 10.1's stylus. WIth zero crash, 10 hours battery, less than 600g... Closest I see for potential right now (myself) is Windows surface Pro but even it lacks battery life, and weight factor. Maybe Samsung's next tablet (Galaxy Note 10.1 with high resolution screen)... I think you just need to list what is important for you and decide.
I had both the Prime and the Infinity. The main reason I returned them was because I read this forum. The Prime had its issues, but I did just fine with the router in my room, and outside the house I always used my phone as a hotspot so the wi-fi problems did not hit me hard. The GPS NEVER worked, but I said to myself, who cares, I have GPS on my phone. I ended up returning it because Best Buy let me (which I also found about here), and because after reading the forum I had the idea that it was the right thing to do, I did pay good money for the device.
As for the Infinity, it was perfect... to me, it was, but again, from reading the forums I had the urge to return it because it ticked me off that ASUS "overlooked" a glaring flaw AGAIN. But to be honest, I was fine with the performance.
I have the Nexus 10 and it is also a good device so no regrets. People are finding flaws on it already, like some flexing in the back. I have the flexing, it's very, very small, and it doesn't bother me at all, light bleed? I don't even know what that is and if I have it.
If you can try out the Infinity and don't feel like it's sluggish AND really loved the dock and expandable memory, get it. Not everyone is as picky with their devices. This is not meant as an insult to anyone here, I just feel like some here look for perfection more than I do. I can understand that because these devices are not cheap at all.
Usually, I tend to stick with what i have and learn to love it, unless it's just a really crappy device or it doesn't work at all.
I hope I have helped you a bit in making your decision.
FINAL EDIT: I forgot to say this, imo, the Infinity felt much more solidly built, the Aluminum just felt right.
Why does everyone keep attributing the lag they see on the transformer infinity to hardware issues? This argument has already been debunked due to the software optimization of cleanrom and c10 without overclocking... any issues that might be noticed on the infinity will be fixed with future updates. So please people, stop with the inaccurate assumptions. The infinity is an absolute beast and so is the N10. The deal breaker for me with the N10 is the battery and no sd card slot. Those are huge issues for me that CAN'T be corrected with updates. The battery is issue has been known since the first reviews came in.
Both devices are awesome, but i have to give the edge to the infinity...OP i would ask yourself these questions...
1. Is battery life important to you?
2. How good are both manufacturers with software updates?
3. Is external storage important to you?
4. Would you rather metal or plastic? Does it male a difference to you?
5. Is having the option of converting your tablet into a netbook appealing to you?
6. Is having Extra battery life through a keyboard dock appealing to you?
I would ask yourself these questions before making your decisions. Good luck!
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Why does everyone keep attributing the lag they see on the transformer infinity to hardware issues? This argument has already been debunked due to the software optimization of cleanrom and c10 without overclocking... any issues that might be noticed on the infinity will be fixed with future updates. So please people, stop with the inaccurate assumptions. The infinity is an absolute beast and so is the N10. The deal breaker for me with the N10 is the battery and no sd card slot. Those are huge issues for me that CAN'T be corrected with updates. The battery is issue has been known since the first reviews came in.
Both devices are awesome, but i have to give the edge to the infinity...
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It is hardware. The benchmarks shown the internal memory of the Asus to be extremely slow. The read/right in benchmarks is slow. I think 0.2 mb/s at times?
Cleanrom doesn't fix that...it just masks it somewhat. I've watched videos of cleanrom and yes it works great, but tweaking software only takes it so far.
Being forced to unlock and give up your warranty on a $500 device to mask the hardware is just not worth it IMO.
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It is hardware. The benchmarks shown the internal memory of the Asus to be extremely slow. The read/right in benchmarks is slow. I think 0.2 mb/s at times?
Cleanrom doesn't fix that...it just masks it somewhat. I've watched videos of cleanrom and yes it works great, but tweaking software only takes it so far.
Being forced to unlock and give up your warranty on a $500 device to mask the hardware is just not worth it IMO.
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Its not hardware, its software. And doesn't mask the i/o issues, it optimizes the software to make better use of the storage speeds. And I'm saying you don't have to unlock, I'm saying that the issues you might see ( which are almost non existent since the last update) CAN be corrected with updates, as made by example of cleanrom. Also looking around these boards, you guys are dealing with some pretty serious issues of your own...
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Its not hardware, its software. And doesn't mask the i/o issues, it optimizes the software to make better use of the storage speeds. And I'm saying you don't have to unlock, I'm saying that the issues you might see ( which are almost non existent since the last update) CAN be corrected with updates, as made by example of cleanrom. Also looking around these boards, you guys are dealing with some pretty serious issues of your own...
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Well I'm not trying to start an argument on the forums. I have both, all with the latest firmware and the N10 flies compared to my Asus. I was really, really trying to like the asus...but its just to sluggish for me. Everyone has their own opinions and needs from a device. Mine just lean more towards the nexus.
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Asus tablets are honestly terrible. Every single display model I have ever used from the transformer, prime, infinity, tf300 etc has all had either a poor wifi connection or ran like crap. Coincidence? Slight possibilty, but considering I go to a lot electronic stores, that doesn't instill me with much confidence.
I am actually shocked that Asus managed to make the Nexus 7 run well, it is plagued with hardware issues but at least it runs well.
Maybe their next crack at the infinity will be good but for now it sucks and the Nexus 10 seems quite awesome.
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Well I'm not trying to start an argument on the forums. I have both, all with the latest firmware and the N10 flies compared to my Asus. I was really, really trying to like the asus...but its just to sluggish for me. Everyone has their own opinions and needs from a device. Mine just lean more towards the nexus.
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Unless you have reset your infinity to factory and done a full clean update to the latest firmware, along with either keeping stock on both devices or having exactly the same apps installed, then making a point that one device is faster than the other is not accurate. I can show you a nexus 1 factory reset and that will "fly" faster than a galaxy nexus that hasn't been put through the same treatment, doesn't mean the nexus 1 is the better device.
Your right, it does come down to needs and personal opinions, just gotta make sure your making those decisions on accurate information my friend....
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Asus tablets are honestly terrible. Every single display model I have ever used from the transformer, prime, infinity, tf300 etc has all had either a poor wifi connection or ran like crap. Coincidence? Slight possibilty, but considering I go to a lot electronic stores, that doesn't instill me with much confidence.
I am actually shocked that Asus managed to make the Nexus 7 run well, it is plagued with hardware issues but at least it runs well.
Maybe their next crack at the infinity will be good but for now it sucks and the Nexus 10 seems quite awesome.
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Except for the horrible battery, poor graphics performance and no microSD slot...ya.... awesome...
Also I'm playing on my sisters N10 right now. I honestly see no difference besides the obvious UI. What i have noticed though is the battery. There is no way I could deal with this.... 30 percent after a little over an hour of mkv movie playing? That my friend is the definition of an inefficient battery to usage ratio.
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Unless you have reset your infinity to factory and done a full clean update to the latest firmware, along with either keeping stock on both devices or having exactly the same apps installed, then making a point that one device is faster than the other is not accurate. I can show you a nexus 1 factory reset and that will "fly" faster than a galaxy nexus that hasn't been put through the same treatment, doesn't mean the nexus 1 is the better device.
Your right, it does come down to needs and personal opinions, just gotta make sure your making those decisions on accurate information my friend....
Sadly I did do that first thing. No change. As I said I have both sitting in front of me so I have all the information I could possibly have haha
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Budget is around 400EUR.
- I like the Nexus 10 but it has this ridiclous high res screen which the processors struggles to power. 720p is fine for me!
- There's the TF300 and TF700, the wifi is probably better but the big question: does the tf300/700 have faster memory? If yes those are excellent!
- There's the samsung galaxy tab 2 10.1 but it doesnt have Tegra! I really like my Tegra games ... will it run them?
- There's the Nexus 7 which seems perfect except that it's just 7 inch. I like the idea of clean google os and updates though.
What would you do? I prefer 10inch but I guess I something a little smaller is ok. I like my Tegra games. I prefer a decent screen (IPS) but resolution doesn't matter.
It all comes down to this: I want a TF201 with better wifi and especially better memory.
I just want to be able to download torrents or doing a file transfer without the tablet becoming unusable for a few minutes.
I still really like my TF201, my dad wants a tablet so I tought I'd give him the TF201 and get me another one.
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Budget is around 400EUR.
- I like the Nexus 10 but it has this ridiclous high res screen which the processors struggles to power. 720p is fine for me!
- There's the TF300 and TF700, the wifi is probably better but the big question: does the tf300/700 have faster memory? If yes those are excellent!
- There's the samsung galaxy tab 2 10.1 but it doesnt have Tegra! I really like my Tegra games ... will it run them?
- There's the Nexus 7 which seems perfect except that it's just 7 inch. I like the idea of clean google os and updates though.
What would you do? I prefer 10inch but I guess I something a little smaller is ok. I like my Tegra games. I prefer a decent screen (IPS) but resolution doesn't matter.
It all comes down to this: I want a TF201 with better wifi and especially better memory.
I just want to be able to download torrents or doing a file transfer without the tablet becoming unusable for a few minutes.
I still really like my TF201, my dad wants a tablet so I tought I'd give him the TF201 and get me another one.
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While the wifi is a larger issue, i think you could easily resolve your memory concerns by just using link2SD on another prime
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While the wifi is a larger issue, i think you could easily resolve your memory concerns by just using link2SD on another prime
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They stick out too much and can accidently be pressed in and then i lose the sd. I have lost 2 already. I just notice: oops my sd is gone! I think just from carrying around, lying between other stuff etc... It's running androwook now with clemsys 1.6 kernel so as far as software goes I've already done the most important.
I'm leaning towards the nexus 10 because of the google support and lack of people complaining about sluggish performance. I'll lose tegra games but surely games must still look good on it i guess ... I really like my prime's build quality and feel. It's just great (as a tablet alone, with the dock it became kinda wobbly). Also dock connectors are bent. But just as a tablet it feels great. No scratches, great glass! It's just great, if just it would have better wifi and better i/o.
I can always swap my Nexus 10 (or whatever i choose) to my dad and take back my prime
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I can always swap my Nexus 10 (or whatever i choose) to my dad and take back my prime
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Ain't dads great .
Thom4s said:
They stick out too much and can accidently be pressed in and then i lose the sd. I have lost 2 already. I just notice: oops my sd is gone! I think just from carrying around, lying between other stuff etc... It's running androwook now with clemsys 1.6 kernel so as far as software goes I've already done the most important.
I'm leaning towards the nexus 10 because of the google support and lack of people complaining about sluggish performance. I'll lose tegra games but surely games must still look good on it i guess ... I really like my prime's build quality and feel. It's just great (as a tablet alone, with the dock it became kinda wobbly). Also dock connectors are bent. But just as a tablet it feels great. No scratches, great glass! It's just great, if just it would have better wifi and better i/o.
I can always swap my Nexus 10 (or whatever i choose) to my dad and take back my prime
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There is an app called Chainfire3D it was working well on my SGS2 running tegra games Im not sure if it would work on the Nexus 10 ...
I like nexus 10 but I would go for the TF700. Wide range of usage better battery life and you could expand the memoy, and you have a phisical keyborad. You would not have any of these on Nexus 10 but it is much cheaper..
I have just got my TF700 to replace my TF201 which was running on AndroWook.
I can say I am impressed so far with the TF700, no light bleed, the docking clamp feels sturdier and not as loose, the screen is much nicer and the colours seem a lot more vivid. The whole system seems to also run smoother, I have just downloaded loads of apps from google play and it didnt lock up at all when selecting the next app and clicking download & Install where as the TF201 would even on AndroWook. GPS works indoors to a certain extend and wireless has a much better range.
Overall I feel stock TF700 is much better than my rooted & ROM's TF201. IThe only hard decisiion I have at the moment is should I unlock, root and ROM or leave as is for time being
Going for the TF700 (tablet alone) might be a solution ... I keep the dock of my TF201 (afaik they are interchangable).
The nexus 10 is unavailable in belgium, only way to get it is to use a vpn and some cheating on credit card details AND a middle person shipping company to order it in another country. This is too crazy just for a tablet. It is not physically available in stores, only through google device store in select european country's :/
And apparantly a lot of stores discontinued the TF700 too :/ But i'm sure i'll find one somewhere.
Galaxy note 10.1
I like my tf201.
But at the time I take a look at my friend's new galaxy note 10.1, My eyes has caught by the great performance.
It provides a great overall performance such as an iDevice.
Since My tf201 need to be modified alot to get those flurent experience, galaxy note 10.1 is much way better
I've got a tf201 and a Galaxy SIII (same processor as Note 10.1), the SIII is really than the tf201 in all (maybe a 40% or more), internet browsing, playing games, etc. So the performance in the Note 10.1 will be also better.
Note 10.1 has opened bootloader, so you can install or modify whatever you want with depending if ASUS Tool wants to unlock your tablet.
Personally I am avoiding Tegra based tablets given the poor showing from the TF201. Granted it is better than it was but it's still far from perfect.
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For me i dont think there is anything worth upgrading to atm. All the other tablets are basically same generation as the Prime.
My next tablet should have:
-better or at least equal battery life as prime.
-full pen support which converts writing to printed text (like samsung note 10.1), in my current situation i prefer that over the keyboard addon.
-next gen cpu/gpu like tegra4 or equal and i guess 2gb ram.
-higher resolution (something like 1080p, nexus 10 is overkill imho)
-Frontfacing speakers
-as usual: fully rootable. Using a tablet without gesture control? Not going to happen.
- And of course: Better wifi/memory speeds, but i think thats a given no matter what you buy
-[e] oh and Micro USB charging! **** YOU proprietary charging bull****.
It looks only samsung is providing these things in a package atm I would rather buy something else to be honest, but i dont care about brands that much as long as they deliver.
I think if samsung ever brings another tab like the note 10.1 thats gonna be it. Although i'm still hoping ASUS, Sony or even Google does something comparable.
If you're on a budget, according to reviews, the latest effort from Asus is a sort of budget version of a fix of all the mistakes they've made with the transformer series. According to reviews they've fixed I/O speeds, GPS is apparently spot on, and Wifi is reportedly excellent. And in performance, the reviews all seem to show fast, fluid JB performance. I seriously sat there dumbfounded at how a device half the cost of the useless TF201 could perform that well.
Something to look at if - like you said - you're on a budget, and don't NEED super high pixel density, oh plus it has nice stereo speakers AND *drumroll please* micro-usb! Good bye ****ty bound-to-be-broken proprietary Asus charger!
http://www.gadgetgestures.com/asus-...ll-be-available-for-249-and-129-in-uk/8343392
If - to this day - the TF201 didn't sour my tablet experience and subsequently make me realize how little use I actually have for a tablet, I would've probably jumped at this as a replacement.
Used a Nexus 10 today and it was beautiful. I'd get that in a second if I was okay with ditching the keyboard dock with extra battery.
I'm not sour on Asus at this point, so I'd probably end up with a 700.
I'll pass on the Infinity since it still has the same bad i/o flaw.
turns out the tf201 and tf700 are still hugely expensive here in belgium. the tf201 still goes voor 599EUR (thats about $750), so i just kept it and my dad got a tf300 which is a much more reasonable 299EUR.
im sitting here with my laptop browsing on my neighbours public hotspot, works great, the tf201 cant even 'see' the network :/ wanted to use gps this week because my in car gps broke, even with the antenna addon it didnt get a fix after 5 minutes. i ended up using google maps on the laptop
so many flaws but it feels so great it looks awesome and gaming is perfect