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Does any have an opinion as so the speed between the 1.2 GHz dual-core Qualcomm Snapdragon APQ8060 va tegra 2.
Seems like all the major players are using tegra 2 but the hp touchpad sports 1.2 GHz dual-core Qualcomm Snapdragon APQ8060.
Is one chip more costly then the other?
My guess is that the tegra 2 is cheaper thats why the mainstream tablets are using it. But I could be wrong.
Any input?
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Does any have an opinion as so the speed between the 1.2 GHz dual-core Qualcomm Snapdragon APQ8060 va tegra 2.
Seems like all the major players are using tegra 2 but the hp touchpad sports 1.2 GHz dual-core Qualcomm Snapdragon APQ8060.
Is one chip more costly then the other?
My guess is that the tegra 2 is cheaper thats why the mainstream tablets are using it. But I could be wrong.
Any input?
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Most of the Honeycomb tablets use Tegra 2 because Honeycomb was primarily built for Tegra 2 much the same way ICS was built primarily for omap 4.
As far as speed goes, with identical clock speed the GPU in the APQ8060 (Adreno 220) is twice as fast as the one in Tegra, while Tegra has a slightly faster CPU. They average out to be even.
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i will tell you something graphic drivers in android are big problem and google cant do anything about it as the number of devices are too many,i mean to say they cant optimize it as it is in the control of oems and there is the problem as most oems dont have great developers you get scrap drivers on the chipset, you can see tegra drivers on 1 and 2 are not so great, i have notion ink and touchpad alpha 3 the flash videos in touchpad alpha are great with no stuttering but in notion ink there is so much stuttering while playing.coz tegra is new where is qualcomm has been around for longtime and they know much better than nvidia in optimizing their drivers.this is where apple is much better than google as they have a single chipset to optimize and no oems to worry about so their products come with optimized drivers and work great.i wish there was a way oems could collaborate on their drivers with google so it would work great for android in terms of the os delivery for all
Why is this in development for :s
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Why is this in development for :s
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A very simple example: Tegra 2 can't play 1080 video, Qualcomm APQ8060 can play flawlessly
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Thank you for this.....
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A very simple example: Tegra 2 can't play 1080 video, Qualcomm APQ8060 can play flawlessly
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There is a guy who thinks he knows more about tablets than most ppl. He's very annoying with the information that he does have. I came across an HP TouchPad and loaded the CM9 Nightly build and was talking about the difference between a device that had the Tigra 2. He was trying to tell me that the Tigra 2 was better but I couldn't find a difference. So now I can go back and show him what I've never even noticed (except for the fact that I think my video is better) seeing as there is a lack of games that are working on ICS 4.0.4 I'm not able to show him anything that looks good. I cant get any HD games working.
If you can let me know what the most compatible game packages I should be looking for with the HP Touch 32 GB please let me know. I've tried just about everything even the Samsung Galaxy II. I get all the way to the game and it just closes.
adreno 220 GPU its 2x more powerful than tegra 2 GPU,
and if you overclocked the touchpad CPU at 1.8ghz will be 50‰ more faster
I've over clocked to 1.5Ghz and she's smooth as a whistle. I'm noticing that none none of the HD games r working is there an update as to when that maybe fixed ? Or am I just using the wrong install files... I've got some HD games for some of my other devices I would love to pay them on this new system :beer:
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I've over clocked to 1.5Ghz and she's smooth as a whistle. I'm noticing that none none of the HD games r working is there an update as to when that maybe fixed ? Or am I just using the wrong install files... I've got some HD games for some of my other devices I would love to pay them on this new system :beer:
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what custom rom use?
because on my touchpad i can play every new and old hd games
I'm using the nightly build 4.0.4 CM9.
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OK the latest update.... I'm not sure what happened or why the games were not working. However after restarting the system (after installing the game) it worked... not sure why.... thanks to everyone for all your help and hard work... I'm wondering when the expected fix for the camera will be out. It will be nice to use Skype on this :beer:
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CPU wise tegra is better just for the fact that they are using a9 cores and the s3 snapdragon uses scorpion cores which are more closely related to the a8. S3 snapdragon @ 1.5 ghz is less than or equal to an a9 based processor running @ 1 GHz.
GPU goes to the snapdragon as its a lot more powerful GPU than the geforce GPU in the tegra... however there is much much more high end games that are tuned in to work with the tegra GPU so in real world performance its about a wash. Do you prefer performance or compatibility.
The one spot that the snapdragon processor shines is battery life. Going back to the s3 running @ 1.5 GHz and the a9 based SoC running @ 1 GHz you'll actually see better battery life from the s3 as the cores are more power efficient, but in the end your not really going to notice the difference unless you plan on playing 1080p videos which is a little bit pointless seeing as our screen isn't even 720p and 1080p video takes up a lot of space.
Long story short its pretty much a wash barring the 1080p video.
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is there a way to fake a tegra device¿ with the latest nightlys and chainfire i got mothing to work!
or is chainfire working on cm9/
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is there a way to fake a tegra device¿ with the latest nightlys and chainfire i got mothing to work!
or is chainfire working on cm9/
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I don't use chain fire. I'm just using the adreno drivers. Also to spoof as another device u will have to edit your build props. Make sure u do a full backup and backup your build.props
You can use rom toolbox.
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I don't use chain fire. I'm just using the adreno drivers. Also to spoof as another device u will have to edit your build props. Make sure u do a full backup and backup your build.props
You can use rom toolbox.
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This is a useful step by step guide from Reverend Kyle .
http://www.reverendkyle.com/index.php/articles/107-how-to-edit-the-build-prop-file-in-android .
Build.prop Editor (available in play store) is a great way to edit your build.prop. it automatically stores a backup every time you edit as well.
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is there a way to fake a tegra device¿ with the latest nightlys and chainfire i got mothing to work!
or is chainfire working on cm9/
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You can spoof a tegra 2 GPU but not a tegra 3 GPU with chain fire.
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do ihave just to spoof the build or do i have also to install chainfire.?
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do ihave just to spoof the build or do i have also to install chainfire.?
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If your spoofing the GPU then you will need chainfire. If your just doing what I'm doing and simply spoofing the market to games built for the adreno GPU then just edit your build.props
I'm spoofing the market to think I'm a galaxy s2 or Motorola Xoom. They both have the same CPU. Galaxy S2 uses the Tegra 2 signature and the Motorola Xoom uses the Adreno signature. Both of these spoofs do not require me to have the chainfire program. I did install the adreno drivers linked to the original install post.
I'm thinking I going to start to play around with the chainfire GPU spoof options more for game download compatibility. As far as downloading and installing a Tegra 2 game, you will need to spoof the GPU for the download (unless you manually find the correct apk) and the install will also need the GPU spoof. Once the install is done then disable the GPU spoof. Then run the game with your Galaxy spoof or your Xoom spoof.
Please note that I've spoofed my build.props and have not changed it since. I'm currently showing my device as a Motorola Xoom. I'm able to play all the games. Only every now and than do I change it for the game install. Then i put it back and I have no issues. HD games and all.
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I'm curious as to the importance of CPU vs GPU in our phones. The two big processors from MWC were Qualcomm's S4 and Nvidia's Tegra 3. From my research, it seems like the S4 has a better CPU but Tegra 3 wins in graphical processing.
Is the speed of android usually limited by CPU or GPU?
Which one would be more important in apps like web browser and games?
Is it worth it to wait for Cortex A15 processors this fall, or is that much speed just overkill?
I'd saymthe CPU is more important, since there's phones out there that don't have a GPU and because pre-honeycomb, the GPU was mostly used for minor rendering and inside games.
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The gpu is a graphics proccesor unit, it is that which processes the graphic information displayed on the screen, having one of these takes the responsibility away from the CPU leaving it to do the other things it needs to do.
Having a gpu on a phone I don't think is really that nessasary yet as we are not doing anything that intensive with our phones graphicaly, who's doing cadcam or 3D rendering or graphic animation or anything else like that on a phone? However as time goes on and phones get used more and more then a gpu will be a must...
just look at the PC world say 20. Years ago we were using Hercules 2 tone graphics cards, then 4 tone cga wow then 16 tone ega then omg 256 colour vga. Then started the 3d era when a really fantastic gpu was a must in stepped the voodoo 3d graphics.....
Anyway I could go on for hours I think u might get the idea..
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I'd say both: CPU and GPU are equally important, to allow for super smooth UI experience AND some decent gaming.
So now we have Tegra 3 (A9 + nice GPU) and Qualcomm S4 Krait (A15 + average GPU), both being great.
If you want to wait, there will be Tegra 4 coming out next year, S4 Pro (quadcore + more powerful GPU) and not forget the TI OMAP5.
I usually go buy whatever there is best at the moment and I enjoy new hardware while waiting for new stuff to come out. The waiting for better stuff will never end as new devices are coming out every few months, so up to you how often do you want to upgrade.
I need your suggestions. Can any one please make me understand the which is the best processor from Exynos 4212 Quad, NVDIA tegra 3, Snapdragon 4 dual and why?
Please tell me. That will be very helpful to me
From benchmarks, the Exynos CPU was quite a bit better than the other two, and the Mali GPU in the S3 also out-performed the others as far as I can remember. Search for some benchmarks comparing them to find out for yourself.
It should go this way:
Processing power: Exynos 4412 Quad > Qualcom S4 Krait > Nvidia Tegra 3 Quad
GPU power: Mali400 GPU > Adreno 225 >= ULP GeForce
But i read somewhere that S4 Krait CPU which is based on ARM Cortex A15 chips could offer more power without consuming as much energy than the two Quad core beasts.
My first thought when I heard about Nvidias 4+1 CPU was, how can it decide when to switch from single to quad core?? This sounds to me like a prototype for a constantly lagging device.
But I'm not as deep in this matter as to make a qualified statement.
It is just a feeling, since neither Intel ,AMD, Qualcomm or Samsung build their CPUs like this.
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Coming off a Tegra 2 device and patiently waiting this Verizon version of this phone all I can say is Tegra is terrible. At least on my phone it was, heating up on simple tasks like browsing homescreen.
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My first thought when I heard about Nvidias 4+1 CPU was, how can it decide when to switch from single to quad core?? This sounds to me like a prototype for a constantly lagging device.
But I'm not as deep in this matter as to make a qualified statement.
It is just a feeling, since neither Intel ,AMD, Qualcomm or Samsung build their CPUs like this.
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It actually works very well, the standby time on this phone is the best I've ever seen. It's needed though, because this chip is thirsty. Whether that's down to poor drivers or the design I don't know. Maybe a bit of both. Anyway I like Tegra 3, it IS very fast and you have those Tegra 3 games. Just look at Dark Meadow, the graphics are amazing and it runs smooth as hell.
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I can't imagine how this ever will work without occasional lags.
How does the task scheduler on a tegra 3 predict when to activate the 4 cores ?
Starting an app and wait whether it will need more power will lead to a lag, when it maxes out the single core.
It's not 4+1 but rather 1+4.
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I can't imagine how this ever will work without occasional lags.
How does the task scheduler on a tegra 3 predict when to activate the 4 cores ?
Starting an app and wait whether it will need more power will lead to a lag, when it maxes out the single core.
It's not 4+1 but rather 1+4.
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I have no idea how it works, as the fifth core is handled directly by the soc and not the system. Maybe someone more knowledgeable than me can shed some light on this. I haven't encountered any noticeable lags compared to my SII though.
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Finally the search tool works, anyways thanks for clearing my doubts between the differences of the two quad cores.
Hey guys, bit of a noob question here but nevertheless i shall ask it anyway
So as we know the samsung galaxy s3 has a quad core processor which churns out 1.4ghz which is rather fast!
But ive only seen the overclocking abilities for it to run at 1.7ghz max? Why is this? the galaxy note can run at 1.9ghz via dual core.
my question is this, why cant is run at over 2ghz? i mean 1.4 is enough but id like to say "my phone can run the same speed as my laptop"
Sorry for the noob-ish question but if anyone would reply, it would be great
Jack.
I've yet see a phone that can open the http://www.theverge.com/ at a decent speed.
I overcloceked to 1.6Mhz and still didn't make any difference.
Why would you want to run at 2.0Mhz?
Running at that speed would juts increase battery usage and overheat the CPU.
Ah right, yeah it even took my computer like 10seconds to load that site!
why wouldnt you want a phone to run at over 2ghz? admittedly your right about the overheat and battery life
For that exact reason...heat and battery life. What more reason would you need. For most instances its unnecessary. Isn't saying its quad core enough...
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It will be faster wait for jellybean its optimized for more cores
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The same applies to pc chips, more cores mean more heat. It's why many current dual and quad core chips are faster than the newer hex and 8 core chips. Less cores means more room for heat tolerances.
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The same applies to pc chips, more cores mean more heat. It's why many current dual and quad core chips are faster than the newer hex and 8 core chips. Less cores means more room for heat tolerances.
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The reason dual and quad cores are faster is because of the limitation of software and how multithreaded it can be (and there will be a point of diminishing returns which will be a lot sooner for basic programs).
I have a dual core 3ghz pc and my new pc is just 2.8ghz quad i7.... My old pc must be much faster!
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I've yet see a phone that can open the http://www.theverge.com/ at a decent speed.
I overcloceked to 1.6Mhz and still didn't make any difference.
Why would you want to run at 2.0Mhz?
Running at that speed would juts increase battery usage and overheat the CPU.
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It seems the SGS3 can open and scroll through http://www.theverge.com/ very fast, I've just tested it.
Is it not fast enough on yours?
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Hey guys, bit of a noob question here but nevertheless i shall ask it anyway
So as we know the samsung galaxy s3 has a quad core processor which churns out 1.4ghz which is rather fast!
But ive only seen the overclocking abilities for it to run at 1.7ghz max? Why is this? the galaxy note can run at 1.9ghz via dual core.
my question is this, why cant is run at over 2ghz? i mean 1.4 is enough but id like to say "my phone can run the same speed as my laptop"
Sorry for the noob-ish question but if anyone would reply, it would be great
Jack.
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I have a dual core 3ghz pc and my new pc is just 2.8ghz quad i7.... My old pc must be much faster!
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I lol'd. 1.7ghz quad is leaps and bounds better than 1.9ghz dual. 1.7 and 1.9 ghz isn't that big of a leap, but 2 cores versus 4 cores is pretty significant. Jelly Bean improves multi-core processors so the SGS3 International version is going to be even more sick-nasty (in a good way) once that rolls out.
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I lol'd. 1.7ghz quad is leaps and bounds better than 1.9ghz dual. 1.7 and 1.9 ghz isn't that big of a leap, but 2 cores versus 4 cores is pretty significant. Jelly Bean improves multi-core processors so the SGS3 International version is going to be even more sick-nasty (in a good way) once that rolls out.
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Exactly
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It will be faster wait for jellybean its optimized for more cores
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No it isn't. Not anymore than ICS.
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I dont know why u compairing a desktop pc to galaxy s3. A pc will win hands down but I have a fairly upto date pc. And since got this phone i never really use it unless doing video editing. This phone is great and is as good as a standarded laptop If not better. This speed is brilliant to, maybe jelly bean will make a great phone greater. And another thing apps for this phone weather it be media or web browsing etc isn't really pushing this phone to the limit. So give it a while might see a bigger improvement.
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There is more to CPU performance than the clock frequency, core efficiency is the key here.
E.g. Intel P4 processor -v- Intel 'Conroe' Processors.
The newer Conroe processors were smashing the granny out of the older P4 processor despite the significant lower clock speed. Does that mean the newer processors are inferior? No, it just means each clock cycle handles more instructions.
If you want willy waving rights about how awesome your phone is go buy an iPhone and check if theres an app for that.
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It will be faster wait for jellybean its optimized for more cores
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No it isn't. Not anymore than ICS.
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Android 4.1 Jelly Bean
In "Project Butter," Google has worked to improve graphical performance and touch responsiveness. On the graphics side, Android is now v-synced at 60 frames a second, with triple-buffered graphics. The result is that scrolling, paging, and animations are all smoother and consistent.
To make touch feel better, Google is making it anticipatory, so that the touch data applications receive corresponds to where fingers will be the next time the screen is redrawn. This means that apps won't have to be one step behind where the user's fingers actually are. Jelly Bean will also immediately ramp CPUs to their full speed whenever touch interaction is detected. This avoids lag caused by slower processing when the CPUs are in low power modes.
For developers, the Jelly Bean SDK will include a new profiling tool, systrace, that provides a clear visualization of their applications' use of the CPU, GPU, and other system components, so that bottlenecks can be more readily identified and resolved.
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Nothing specifically says "Jelly Bean is optimized for multi-core processors". That said, that entire article shows that Jelly Bean was brought about with processors in mind. You really think Google is going to make an OS that will "ramp CPUs to their full speed whenever touch interaction is detected," and "include a new profiling tool" that shows applications "use of the CPU" but not make sure it's going to be optimized for dual and quad-core devices? Also, keep this in mind:
Jelly Bean Lite
Jelly Bean Lite: Android OS definitely works efficiently on high-end dual-core phones. However, when it comes to lower end devices, the performance, reportedly, becomes very poor. Many users have also urged Google to release a lighter version of Android OS for midrange and lower end smartphones to rid themselves of the problem of performance of OS.
Rumors are already rife that Google will release a lighter version (Jelly Bean Lite) for smartphones with limited CPU and storage.
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I'd say you're probably wrong about Jelly Bean not being optimized for multi-core devices.
What really matters to the average person is that in real life use the S3 really isn't that much faster than S2, so until we get an OS optimised for those extra cores all we really gonna have is the "My processor's bigger than your processor" bragging rights.
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What really matters to the average person is that in real life use the S3 really isn't that much faster than S2, so until we get an OS optimised for those extra cores all we really gonna have is the "My processor's bigger than your processor" bragging rights.
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Benchmark scores do show that it's a decent difference in the S2 versus the S3, though overall I would have to agree with you. But Jelly Bean will definitely be closer to the mark than Ice Cream Sandwich in terms of CPU optimization. That's my personal opinion based on my above comment of course.
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why wouldnt you want a phone to run at over 2ghz? admittedly your right about the overheat and battery life
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Because I paid a lot for this phone and don't want it to break.
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I wonder why we take the matter with Overcloacken so important. as far as I know there are no games or apps which support the 4 cores. we should wait. I'm curious
Friends, I was eager to get the One X+ , and I love flashing new roms etc.. so I wanted to ask, since it has a Tegra 3, and tegra 3 is not as open as Qcomm and omap , how do you think the development would be once htc asus etc. who are using the tegra3 chips stops updating future android versions..will it be developmental friendly for a longer run?
If tegra does not release sources etc. wouldn't it be an issue later on? Please do advice. thanks!
If i remember correctly on the original one x, the tegra drivers were constantly being updated every month or so and it was always included in the latest kernels. With the new JB update the tegra 3 gpu has been updated to a vastly improved driver resulting in a 10-15% speed increase, development is pretty good with the tegra 3 gpu. Its not that the gpu isn`t powerful, but the reason why people get game lags is either due to scaling or the game being unoptimized for tegra. Scaling issues is due to the gpu clock being in sync with the cpu clock, for example temple run will lag because it does not recquire much cpu and thus the gpu will remain idle yet shadowgun thd will not because the cpu and gpu will scale up to max clock. The gpu can be decoupled with the renovate gaming boost app which is probably one of the best tegra developments ever made, hope i helped.
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If i remember correctly on the original one x, the tegra drivers were constantly being updated every month or so and it was always included in the latest kernels. With the new JB update the tegra 3 gpu has been updated to a vastly improved driver resulting in a 10-15% speed increase, development is pretty good with the tegra 3 gpu. Its not that the gpu isn`t powerful, but the reason why people get game lags is either due to scaling or the game being unoptimized for tegra. Scaling issues is due to the gpu clock being in sync with the cpu clock, for example temple run will lag because it does not recquire much cpu and thus the gpu will remain idle yet shadowgun thd will not because the cpu and gpu will scale up to max clock. The gpu can be decoupled with the renovate gaming boost app which is probably one of the best tegra developments ever made, hope i helped.
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Thanks for the info mate. appreciate it ! so even with the next releases of android, if nexus 7 or htc doesnt update them ( or updates them late ), will developers find it easy to upbring aosp and sense based roms easily?
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Thanks for the info mate. appreciate it ! so even with the next releases of android, if nexus 7 or htc doesnt update them ( or updates them late ), will developers find it easy to upbring aosp and sense based roms easily?
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most of the development for the tegra chipset is within the kernel and provided that the one x+ receives similar treatement to the original one x which it should given that the hardware is almost identical, developers should be able to easliy update drivers as well as creating custom configs and tweaks for the tegra gpu.
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most of the development for the tegra chipset is within the kernel and provided that the one x+ receives similar treatement to the original one x which it should given that the hardware is almost identical, developers should be able to easliy update drivers as well as creating custom configs and tweaks for the tegra gpu.
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Thanks for the info. Im trying to collect as much info. as possible before getting a new device, since Samsung Galaxy exynos platform has been creating major issues with development with new android versions, I want to make sure that the next device I go for has a strong developmental platform.
So , if the one x or one x+ does not receive a 5.0 android upgrade from htc, would it get difficult with the closed nature of tegra for developers on xda to bring future versions to this device?
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most of the development for the tegra chipset is within the kernel and provided that the one x+ receives similar treatement to the original one x which it should given that the hardware is almost identical, developers should be able to easliy update drivers as well as creating custom configs and tweaks for the tegra gpu.
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not all is the same in the onex+ the tegra 3 cpu is ap37 and in the normal one x it's ap33 i think ...not 100% indentical but the most can be done by devs if the sources are also out for the right kernel