UPDATE: Threat level reduced to zero
HTC has clarified saying they support the developer community and will not force them to stop as long as they don't claim to be HTC (via)
Original post
http://rootzwiki.com/news/_/article...ready-to-crack-down-on-sense-based-roms-r1348
"On the ROM front, HTC does not endorse or allow distribution of its ROMs by any third party. If you are aware of any third party sites providing ROMs that HTC should know about, please do let me know - it would be very helpful."
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could this mean the end of Sense ROMs for Rezound?
that's awful. i just wrote to my tech support buddies over at HTC to see if they've heard of this.
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Sounds like they are referring to leaks. Like the global ruu....
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On android police, there was an article about it. The owner of the site was using HTC logos, and the name. They got him for copyright infringement. Though, they did make him remove custom roms as well. This is the last thing HTC needs to do right now. If they try stopping development of custom roms, they are going to piss off their biggest supporters. Why do they keep shooting themselves in the foot? Wonder why Samsung is running away with all the marketshare....
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On android police, there was an article about it. The owner of the site was using HTC logos, and the name. They got him for copyright infringement. Though, they did make him remove custom roms as well. This is the last thing HTC needs to do right now. If they try stopping development of custom roms, they are going to piss off their biggest supporters. Why do they keep shooting themselves in the foot? Wonder why Samsung is running away with all the marketshare....
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And Sammy even hired the maker of cyogenmod.... And gave the community a phone as well...
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Wow! Well i was gonna go get a DNA tomorrow but after reading this i doubt i will ever buy a HTC device again. And the HTC M7 was looking pretty good to me... guess im switching over to Samsung soon!
Why do the companies I'm so loyal to always betray me in the end?
I can't defend HTC for this, as much as I like Sense 4.
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SirSigma said:
Why do the companies I'm so loyal to always betray me in the end?
I can't defend HTC for this, as much as I like Sense 4.
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Exactly how I feel man !
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Well this is the last htc device ill get. The direction the new phones have gone like the DROID dna no sd slot no removable battery and terrible battery life I'm done. Samsung has my money now since they support developers and make awesome devices. Cept the DROID charge was the worst phone ever which makes me hesitate on another samsung. I'll be getting a gs3 or gs4 for my next phone. Sense has some nice thing but it's unfriendly to developers and makes the phone run like crap.
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It would be nice to get XDAs opinion/position on this so we know what should be done
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HTC can even demand the xda handover the domain and close down.. after all they do have stuff on HTC roms. Xda also needs to realize that perhaps open.sourced in the future may only mean open to the phone makers only since in reality HTC does not really use android but really uses a closed fork of android called sense UI. It really is its on operating system that can.just run.google apps. HTC can.change.that to,run only its apps
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Like I said in the off-topic thread, I think there's more to this story than we're getting. And, like JeramyEggs pointed out, they were using HTC trademarks in an unauthorized way, and doing it as a site (not its users). It's hard to even make a comparison between what they were doing and what we do on xda.
HTC probably just feels like an idiot for saying things such as the Rezound cannot run a Sense 4 ROM when it clearly can. Or they could have the heads so far up their own asses that they think people will be porting Sense to phones made by other companies. Sites like the one listed should just move to China where they don't believe in intellectual property rights!
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I think the Government should keep their hands off and let the Market work. HTC needs to reach out to the dev community, however, they also need protect their properties.
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Based on the entirety of the situation, this seems to really be more about the name and trademarks. To the uninformed, it could very easily have looked like an HTC sanctioned website...HTC was in the name, and it was hosting HTC software. They were using HTC logos as well. Legally, HTC had to shutdown that site. Trademark law is very specific. If you don't defend your trademark, you lose it. I have no issue with trademark law because the provisions are fair, and a company's trademark, maybe even more so than their products, are central to their corporate identity. HTC did what they had to do. Maybe you think they should have "let it go" or been lenient, but doing so puts their trademarks at risk, which jeopardizes their company and business model.
I think we got off track here so I will ask my question.
Does anyone think the devs are gonna get their butts kicked by HTC
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I think we got off track here so I will ask my question.
Does anyone think the devs are gonna get their butts kicked by HTC
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No, the main reason they wanted him to take the RUU off the site. Because he had the code names and HTC said that people would see that as a pre released ruu and not post. They went as far as asking him to remove the custom roms because the site name had HTC and he used their trademark logo of the green HTC quietly brilliant.
if htc wanted all work to be removed. XDA would have a C & D letter by now.
there's also a open sense SDK, i dont think if they wanted all custom roms they would have released that kit. IMO
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I think that HTC should not try and **** down after market development die to the fact that it's the only reason they r still around
They provide little to no after purchase support and don't update software very well
It will prolly kill sales of they do AMD only windows phones will be their fallback
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R187J said:
I think that HTC should not try and **** down after market development die to the fact that it's the only reason they r still around
They provide little to no after purchase support and don't update software very well
It will prolly kill sales of they do AMD only windows phones will be their fallback
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I think all phone should be both gsm LTE WiMAX and support every band in the world so you can chose what carrier you want it on.
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So uh, how about HTC cracking down on sense based ROMs?
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I have a NS4G, and am switching from Sprint so I'll need a new phone. I'm looking into either the Amaze 4G, Sensation, or Galaxy S II. I want a phone that has a good developer community, as the two previous phones I had were fairly active in that regard.
I saw that the Amaze 4G Dev forum is looking like all the roms are Sense based. Is this an temporary thing or is the dev support just not there? (Or is the phone locked down enough to make it difficult?)
Anyway I would greatly appreciate some I put on this!
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Go for the sensation. I have a galaxy s two and the amaze and the dev community is almost non existent. Had a sensation and they got lots of stuff over there.
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Hello, I am new to the forum but do have the HTC Amaze 4G. While HTC does provide the tools for unlocking the bootloader, they do not allow for S-OFF (Security OFF). And it is because of this (for the most part) that developing for the HTC Amaze is limited ATM.
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I have a NS4G, and am switching from Sprint so I'll need a new phone. I'm looking into either the Amaze 4G, Sensation, or Galaxy S II. I want a phone that has a good developer community, as the two previous phones I had were fairly active in that regard.
I saw that the Amaze 4G Dev forum is looking like all the roms are Sense based. Is this an temporary thing or is the dev support just not there? (Or is the phone locked down enough to make it difficult?)
Anyway I would greatly appreciate some I put on this!
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the amaze is not for u then.
mrmylanman said:
I have a NS4G, and am switching from Sprint so I'll need a new phone. I'm looking into either the Amaze 4G, Sensation, or Galaxy S II. I want a phone that has a good developer community, as the two previous phones I had were fairly active in that regard.
I saw that the Amaze 4G Dev forum is looking like all the roms are Sense based. Is this an temporary thing or is the dev support just not there? (Or is the phone locked down enough to make it difficult?)
Anyway I would greatly appreciate some I put on this!
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Temp - hopefully.
Dev support - we only have one developer that actually has the phone. To top it off he's only 16 and still in high school.
We have the source but not the entire kernel source (thanks to HTC and their technicalities)
Still don't have s-off so we can't flash kernels via recovery thus makes flashing roms that much more difficult.
So if you want a good phone to use as a daily driver and don't care about tweaking and boosting... this is the phone for you!
If you immediately want fully working ICS, Sense 3.5, CM9, AOSP, etc then go with another device.
Do we see this happening in the future? If more developers were to pickup the device then maybe. But not anytime soon.
Bottom line if you want a device that has a HUGE selection of roms that you can do pretty much anything with... this isn't the phone for you. Not yet anyway.
Anyone know if there's any word on whether S-Off is coming? I thought I heard HTC announcing the days of S-On being forced are over.
I'd rather get the better phone. Hope that dev support comes.
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Agreed with Binary.
From what you've posted this doesn't sound like the phone that will suit you. However, in the long-run it could suit you better maybe?
I doubt this forum will ever pick up. Most people who wanted a phone like this bought the sensation, and this phone is not a big enough of an upgrade from that. So most will just wait till the next gen.
Thanks for the responses. I think I am going to go with the Amaze after all, and deal with Sense. Apparently it'll get ICS at some point regardless, which will be nice. I am pretty good with Linux so I might work on my own development if I get some free time (going back to college to finish up my bachelors degree so I'm not so sure about that part).
xsteven77x said:
I doubt this forum will ever pick up. Most people who wanted a phone like this bought the sensation, and this phone is not a big enough of an upgrade from that. So most will just wait till the next gen.
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I definitely agree. Everyone that I know that bought this phone after having the Sensation ended up having buyers remorse. The phones seem very similiar to eachother and we all expected them to be pretty much the same. However we later found out that they are nothing alike on the inside. Different partitions, different software, different securities, etc. This phone is actually kind of a PITA for developers despite how HTC claims to be "developer friendly" and all that other nonsense.
If you stick with the Amaze then try beast, its pretty damn close to AOSP, or at least as close as we can have for now
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I definitely agree. Everyone that I know that bought this phone after having the Sensation ended up having buyers remorse. The phones seem very similiar to eachother and we all expected them to be pretty much the same. However we later found out that they are nothing alike on the inside. Different partitions, different software, different securities, etc. This phone is actually kind of a PITA for developers despite how HTC claims to be "developer friendly" and all that other nonsense.
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This is the first phone where I had to use the htc unlocking method and am SHOCKED that is not as open as they made it out to be. Keeping s on? What the hell was the point then? I can see where it would benefit developers, but as far as supporting xda type communities, its an epic fail while giving us false hope in all those press releases how they "heard" the enthusiast community and wanted to be more open.
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i hated always have 150mb of RAM or lower, but your ns4g has 2xxmb less so you are probably used to it.
Yeah I have been less of an enthusiast lately since the dev community sorta dried up on the NS4G the past couple weeks.
Its fine. I have less free time now than I used to anyway
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well i think we will be getting aosp ics with the team of people im working with its just a matter of when
xboarder56 said:
well i think we will be getting aosp ics with the team of people im working with its just a matter of when
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as borat would say:
high five!!!! i like!!!
xboarder56 said:
well i think we will be getting aosp ics with the team of people im working with its just a matter of when
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqf1BmN4Dag&feature=related
Felinos11 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqf1BmN4Dag&feature=related
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hahaha
/10char
xboarder56 said:
well i think we will be getting aosp ics with the team of people im working with its just a matter of when
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Excellent news! I saw that almost all the active development threads are by you, you're keeping mighty busy it seems! Looks like a lot of work, that's really cool of you.
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Excellent news! I saw that almost all the active development threads are by you, you're keeping mighty busy it seems! Looks like a lot of work, that's really cool of you.
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That would be because he's the only developer that has the phone.
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Not sure how many people here are in the HTCElevate forum ran by HTC, but they recently introduced an Ideas section where HTC device owners can suggest ideas to help make their products more attractive. Someone posted an idea requesting HTC release an AOSP version of Android as an alternative to their power users who unlock their phones via HTCDev and prefer non-Sense ROMS. Maybe if we get enough "likes" for this idea, this could become a reality.
Go here and click "like" on this idea:
http://elevate.htc.com/index.html#dmlld0lkZWFEZXRhaWx8JTdCJTIycGFyYW1zJTIyJTNBJTVCMzA1MjIlNUQlN0Q%3D
or this one:
http://elevate.htc.com/index.html#dmlld0lkZWFEZXRhaWx8JTdCJTIycGFyYW1zJTIyJTNBJTVCMzA2MDglNUQlN0Q%3D
I'd be happy if they handed over the hardware binary so we could build AOSP ICS.
I saw the subject line of that email and it was the FIRST idea that popped into my head. Thanks for the links.
We want aosp !!!
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I liked it. At least its an outlet for HTC to hear from their customers.
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I would love it if it happened.
I doubt it'll happen but there's always hoping.
More people need to like these ideas.
I Am Marino said:
I doubt it'll happen but there's always hoping.
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Through protest we got an unlocked bootloader....so why not an aosp or the files to make one ourselves?
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We need RIL. Bug HTC and VZW for the kernel. #HTCUSA #VZW
Lets not, so we don't piss them off and ruin our chances.
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Lets not, so we don't piss them off and ruin our chances.
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Given that we have already received nothing from them, is there really anything to lose?
I mean, the only thing they can hold back is the ICS official ROM, but we already have that...
If they do release the official rom, they cannot legally hold back the kernel source. So, what can they do?
I seriously considered a few days ago what would happen if one of us kindly emailed HTC explaining everything and politely asking for the kernel source.
THEY CAN HAVE US ALL ARRESTED FOR INTERNETS HARASSMENT, CHARLES CARREON HAS FREE TIME NOW.
Actually, the only thing we can do is keep asking, hashtag it up gentlemen, but keep it CLASSY. Type like English is your first language. Though they do hate bad PR, totally going to put #HatesCustomers on the end.
It worked for allowing access to unlock the booloader.
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SirSigma said:
I seriously considered a few days ago what would happen if one of us kindly emailed HTC explaining everything and politely asking for the kernel source.
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Someone do this, please.
A2Aegis said:
Someone do this, please.
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Go right ahead
AshtonTS said:
Go right ahead
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Any advice what I should write?
VZW could give a **** less and bugging them will never result in anything positive development-wise; they will release on whatever schedule/circumstances suits them, customers be damned...but I'm all for pounding on HTC via social sites or other avenues, i.e. petitions, letters, etc.
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Any advice what I should write?
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Tell them how sense slows down the device and we want AOSP but that's only possible with source and you should probably tell them about all the drama that goes on around here because we don't have it, oh and all the devs leaving us
You nuts? You gotta at least tell them something they want to hear. Try something kind of like this:
To whom it may concern,
I am an aspiring Android developer and for years, I've absolutely loved Android devices from HTC. In fact, the Galaxy SIII, Nexus, and other competitor phones have zero appeal to me because I've always loved HTC. I don't feel comfortable with any other hardware manufacturer because I know I can always expect great design, ergonomics, and a manufacturer-designed user interface that makes sense (so much so that you guys even call it Sense).
My latest device is the HTC Rezound, but I upgraded before the One X and other devices were coming out because Verizon is the carrier in my area with the best signal quality. I love my Rezound because it reeks of the superb design and quality I can always expect from HTC. However, I like to develop on it as well, and I've recently hit a few snags because I lack the kernel source for the phone. So I ask as a loyal customer, could you please let me have it?
Thanks for taking the time to read this.
Your fan,
[NAME HERE]
Their not going to release a ICS kernel source when it hasn't even officially been rolled out yet in my opinion. Hopefully when it is released they drop the source quickly.
HTC Rezound
Lol i never got them to release the cdma desire froyo source after 7 months after the update. However that was even more of a red headed step child than this phone lol.
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Sirsigma and people like home are the reason companies are even willing to read what customers say, I've written to HTC about this myself already and everyone should do the same.
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con247 said:
Lol i never got them to release the cdma desire froyo source after 7 months after the update. However that was even more of a red headed step child than this phone lol.
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7 MONTHS?! That should be illegal. What the hell was stopping them?
As for our source, I doubt they are allowed by Verizon to release anything before OTA drops. Which will not happen until their new cash cow (Droid Incredible 4G) has had time to move plenty of units. So... probably no sooner than 2 weeks from now. That's if you're optimistic.
"...reeks of the superb design and quality..."
Perhaps not the best choice of words, lol.
But seriously, thanks for trying. This is too good a phone for HTC to let ignominiously die.
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con247 said:
Lol i never got them to release the cdma desire froyo source after 7 months after the update. However that was even more of a red headed step child than this phone lol.
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There Desire is code named Runnymede? I think I've seen a few GB ports for the DInc 2 and Nexus One floating around...
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WookieFan said:
There Desire is code named Runnymede? I think I've seen a few GB ports for the DInc 2 and Nexus One floating around...
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I think desire hd is runnymede. Not the original one
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Okay, I sent them an email. I hope we actually hear back about this.
HTC does a really bad job with sources, some of us already know that.
Some things you might want to know
1- the One X+ Can not flash a custom rom with its boot loader locked, unless of course there an S OFF method, but that's a low possibility. In other words HTC in some cases takes its time to release a boot loader unlock method. Usually they do a good job with this. What they suck at is giving Kernel sources. We won't see a custom kernel until December if the device was released in October
2- Its hard to do ports based of sense, so development could go for the worst with very little to no source and playing around with sense is not really a walk in the park
The one x+ looks like a good device. Hopefully T Mobile picks it up over here in the US soon.
Just giving a heads up.
As previous One X great Devs found a way to move on development, sure X+ will have a lot of dev!
It's not a big improvement against the One X (international) though, but after the new Nexus will be a LG, I will maybe even buy this device as my next phone and will do some stuff for it..
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Hopefully T Mobile picks it up over here in the US soon.
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Not so much.
"Wow, that didn't take long. Only hours after the HTC One X+ was unveiled officially, we now know where U.S. consumers will have the chance to get it from. AT&T just announced that it will be the exclusive U.S. carrier to offer the HTC One X+ this fall."
http://www.phonearena.com/news/HTC-...uad-core-Tegra-3-and-LTE-are-on-board_id35105
Torxx, are you sure it will be LG? Any sources?
slainbybeats said:
Torxx, are you sure it will be LG? Any sources?
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Simple google search solved the problem.
http://m.intomobile.com/2012/10/05/lg-optimus-nexus-announcement-pegged-late-october/
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slainbybeats said:
Torxx, are you sure it will be LG? Any sources?
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There's a whole series of them apparently. The HTC one looks the best. 1080p quad core s4 5 inch screen (12.7cm) and 2gb ram. Very similar specs to the lg one, but it'll have sense themes in the customization center and perhaps other interesting features.
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BarryH_GEG said:
Not so much.
"Wow, that didn't take long. Only hours after the HTC One X+ was unveiled officially, we now know where U.S. consumers will have the chance to get it from. AT&T just announced that it will be the exclusive U.S. carrier to offer the HTC One X+ this fall."
http://www.phonearena.com/news/HTC-...uad-core-Tegra-3-and-LTE-are-on-board_id35105
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That's a shame. I would've loved this phone.
xboxfanj said:
There's a whole series of them apparently. The HTC one looks the best. 1080p quad core s4 5 inch screen (12.7cm) and 2gb ram. Very similar specs to the lg one, but it'll have sense themes in the customization center and perhaps other interesting features.
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Source, please?
http://androidcommunity.com/htc-droid-incredible-x-rumored-to-be-googles-nexus-5-20120925/
http://www.pc-tablet.com/7693-andro...on-center-project-roadrunner-enhanced-google/
Wtf is happening with htc? Eclipze and me have htc amazes, and you can ask anyone that owns that phone, development is a pain
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Well the profits speak volumes. They're simply not retaining userbase.
torxx said:
It's not a big improvement against the One X (international) though, but after the new Nexus will be a LG, I will maybe even buy this device as my next phone and will do some stuff for it..
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LG is not that good name over on xda, as the support and software was crap. But most off times the hardware in Lg phones is damn nice and new tech so with google behind and no locked crap it might be a intressting phone.
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EclipzeRemix said:
HTC does a really bad job with sources, some of us already know that.
Some things you might want to know
1- the One X+ Can not flash a custom rom with its boot loader locked, unless of course there an S OFF method, but that's a low possibility. In other words HTC in some cases takes its time to release a boot loader unlock method. Usually they do a good job with this. What they suck at is giving Kernel sources. We won't see a custom kernel until December if the device was released in October
2- Its hard to do ports based of sense, so development could go for the worst with very little to no source and playing around with sense is not really a walk in the park
The one x+ looks like a good device. Hopefully T Mobile picks it up over here in the US soon.
Just giving a heads up.
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Lame.
lazarat said:
Lame.
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So is your thanks meter....
Just giving my 2 cents on the matter
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EclipzeRemix said:
HTC does a really bad job with sources, some of us already know that.
Some things you might want to know
1- the One X+ Can not flash a custom rom with its boot loader locked, unless of course there an S OFF method, but that's a low possibility. In other words HTC in some cases takes its time to release a boot loader unlock method. Usually they do a good job with this. What they suck at is giving Kernel sources. We won't see a custom kernel until December if the device was released in October
2- Its hard to do ports based of sense, so development could go for the worst with very little to no source and playing around with sense is not really a walk in the park
The one x+ looks like a good device. Hopefully T Mobile picks it up over here in the US soon.
Just giving a heads up.
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So you're saying for someone like me who buys phones to slap CyanogenMod on, I should expect poor results with the One X+? I will avoid then.
However, does sharing Tegra 3 with the Nexus 7 benefit the One series any? Did the One X get helped by the Nexus 7? I see this kinda like the SGS1 phones getting benefit from the Nexus S sharing SoC. The SGS2 is totally screwed as you know as it still lacks hwcomposer and stuff for CM10.
Yes I could get a Nexus, but sometimes I happen to like the design of non nexus phones more. The One X/X+ are truly sexy phones to me, and as long as they're decent to develop for I'd jump in.
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So you're saying for someone like me who buys phones to slap CyanogenMod on, I should expect poor results with the One X+? I will avoid then.
However, does sharing Tegra 3 with the Nexus 7 benefit the One series any? Did the One X get helped by the Nexus 7? I see this kinda like the SGS1 phones getting benefit from the Nexus S sharing SoC. The SGS2 is totally screwed as you know as it still lacks hwcomposer and stuff for CM10.
Yes I could get a Nexus, but sometimes I happen to like the design of non nexus phones more. The One X/X+ are truly sexy phones to me, and as long as they're decent to develop for I'd jump in.
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This could be possible but we are never sure, either way getting something like CM booting is only half the work, the real test is getting wifi, Bluetooth, GPS etc working without HTC releasing anything. The only way to get them working is work arounds. If you are a flashaholic that likes roms that are not based off stock then stay away.
If you like Sense then by all means get it
Yes totally screwed. Sammy can kiss my ***
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As someone who has an HTC flyer I must say, It saddens my to hear that HTC hardware isn't an option.
HTC has some aesthetically pleasing hardware and sense itself can be pretty nice. The tablet just feels great in your hands, and has a nice screen..
It absolutely sucks that HTC lets themselves get held back by poor sources.. I'm "ok" with my tablet not having the most up to date version constantly.. I didn't sign a contract for it.. but, I really don't want a phone that I'm locked into having for 2 years to be left out for no real good reason.
Still, I'd kill to see a smooth running JB rom that is factory quality on my flyer.
Thanks for the warning.
I have a Sensation and if it wasn't for CM this thing would have been in the garbage. I'm hoping to pick up one of these and I'm sure development work for it will eventually come around. It needs some time.
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After Sammy announced the S4 is coming out with the "vanilla" experience, the rumor mill started going crazy expecting htc to do the same, specially after one of their execs teweeted "wait".
Those rumors where quickly scuashed when another high up in the company tweeted that no htc was not planing a "vanilla" edition... However now the same guy (geek.com) that leaked that sammy was coming out with their has said that indeed htc is coming out with one as well.
So what do you guys think? And the big question would be, if they do come out with it, would we (T-mobile) guys be able to port it over and get OTA's directly from Google?
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Exactly what I came to this forum for. If they do release it, can I port it over to my T-Mobile HTC One.
Since the only device announced at I/O was the S4 vanilla edition, I decided waiting around for a Nexus wasn't worthy it. I have the Galaxy Nexus, but I never liked the plastic feel of it and the S4 feels the same way, just with way better specs.
I've always liked HTC devices going back to the Windows Mobile days.
obiaquino said:
After Sammy announced the S4 is coming out with the "vanilla" experience, the rumor mill started going crazy expecting htc to do the same, specially after one of their execs teweeted "wait".
Those rumors where quickly scuashed when another high up in the company tweeted that no htc was not planing a "vanilla" edition... However now the same guy (geek.com) that leaked that sammy was coming out with their has said that indeed htc is coming out with one as well.
So what do you guys think? And the big question would be, if they do come out with it, would we (T-mobile) guys be able to port it over and get OTA's directly from Google?
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I think it is true
http://www.androidcentral.com/google-edition-htc-one-coming-soon-vanilla-android
I cant wait I had the nexus 4 and the. Got the I5 for like a week then got the s4
And boy lagged I use my phone's intenively multi taking between navigation texting and browsing and calling all with in seconds of each other while working and both the I5 and s4 could handle it but the One handles it beautifully it's amazing and the building is so mmm
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Sorry lost train of thought I can wait to flash stock and see how much more smoothly it runs with 4.2 lol
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and we will never fully experience this because of S being ON
U can flash already as long as u unlock and flash recovery s on will stay on but ucan still flash roms
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yeah but its not the same thing thought
Hmm.....
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57...tion-its-real-and-coming-in-summer/?ttag=fbwp
it would be nice to be back on stock but i cant go with out the awesome camera features....
xtkxhom3r said:
it would be nice to be back on stock but i cant go with out the awesome camera features....
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Yeah, I worry about Google's direction to slap AOSP on pre-existing devices (S4/One so far). Sure they don't need to design, engineer and product their own phone (Nexus 4) so from an infrastructure standpoint it makes sense. But once you start porting AOSP to multiple models, it will inevitably slow software releases because Google will have to ensure compatibility with varying hardware. Also, features will be missing that will make people upset (custom camera software, beats, multi-screen, etc).
Sure they will run pure AOSP, but at what cost (feature-wise)? That has me concerned.
Unless HTC/Sammy/Moto? release their highly configured software apps (camera, etc) independently, the AOSP experience on these currently produced devices will leave a lot to be desired, IMO.
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Yeah, I worry about Google's direction to slap AOSP on pre-existing devices (S4/One so far). Sure they don't need to design, engineer and product their own phone (Nexus 4) so from an infrastructure standpoint it makes sense. But once you start porting AOSP to multiple models, it will inevitably slow software releases because Google will have to ensure compatibility with varying hardware. Also, features will be missing that will make people upset (custom camera software, beats, multi-screen, etc).
Sure they will run pure AOSP, but at what cost (feature-wise)? That has me concerned.
Unless HTC/Sammy/Moto? release their highly configured software apps (camera, etc) independently, the AOSP experience on these currently produced devices will leave a lot to be desired, IMO.
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Then don't buy one. More options are always better. IMO
I miss AOSP, but for once I feel there's features on the Sense ROM I don't want to give up. I think they did a really good job and for once I'm not pulling my hair out and needing to root the phone. (That's saying something!)
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-6452_7-57586864/htc-one-nexus-user-experience-confirmed/
It's a reality guys... Really hope that devs can port this for us Tmobile users...
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I miss AOSP, but for once I feel there's features on the Sense ROM I don't want to give up. I think they did a really good job and for once I'm not pulling my hair out and needing to root the phone. (That's saying something!)
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Same goes for me. I could live without the gallery (although nice), beats (there are plenty of EQ apps out there), blink feed, and many others. the one piece i could not go without is the camera software! Sequence shot alone is stellar, and some of the other zoe features are great as well.
That said i am keeping my fingers crossed that the fine devs here will be able to port the camera software to the stock rom when it hits. If that happens this phone would be absolutely perfect in my eyes!
obiaquino said:
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-6452_7-57586864/htc-one-nexus-user-experience-confirmed/
It's a reality guys... Really hope that devs can port this for us Tmobile users...
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Yes, especially since the announcement did not say it would have TMO radios. I think this is basically an ATT device, similar to the 32 Gb unlocked version.
We may not have to port....
obiaquino said:
After Sammy announced the S4 is coming out with the "vanilla" experience, the rumor mill started going crazy expecting htc to do the same, specially after one of their execs teweeted "wait".
Those rumors where quickly scuashed when another high up in the company tweeted that no htc was not planing a "vanilla" edition... However now the same guy (geek.com) that leaked that sammy was coming out with their has said that indeed htc is coming out with one as well.
So what do you guys think? And the big question would be, if they do come out with it, would we (T-mobile) guys be able to port it over and get OTA's directly from Google?
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Check this article out! Im really starting to like HTC after reading stuff like this, I really hope they deliver soon.
http://www.droid-life.com/2013/05/3...-owners-to-remove-sense-ui-from-their-device/
I just want a camera that's a camera. Zoe seems stupid to me as do filters.
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shabazz18 said:
I just want a camera that's a camera. Zoe seems stupid to me as do filters.
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Zoe isn't on by default.
However, I found some pretty good uses for it. It's better than using the "action" shot setting. It's literally like taking freeze frames from high definition video. I've finally been able to get decent pictures of my dog. It's hard to get her to stand still.
The camera was the main reason that I stayed on stock but the aokp camera is actually really good
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If you use vanilla before it boring but functional
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