Im just curious who used the exploit fix and who hasnt. I havent done this and am not really concerned about malicious apps as I stick to legit apps. Should I be concerned enough to patch?
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yankeesfan714 said:
Im just curious who used the exploit fix and who hasnt. I havent done this and am not really concerned about malicious apps as I stick to legit apps. Should I be concerned enough to patch?
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Honestly,
The exploit has not produced more than a handful of inquiries for our device over the past 8 months. and while I feel that it is at least important enough to mention, it's effects have been largely mute.
Also, our device does not contain this chipset. ours is the SGH-I717....And you have what device again ???
If you are getting software from trusted sources...(play store, XDA or a copy of playstore from friends etc.) you will likely never see an issue.
It seems when folks start pulling a curious piece of code from some way out source, they get burned. But if pulling normally, then your good.
You mentioned the SGH-I317 in your signature line. Is that a typo ? or do you in fact have an SGH-I317 ?
If yes, and there is such a device, I'm not familiar with it....and you would be in the wrong area, and in danger of flashing the wrong items. (instant brick)!!
Additionally, I use and really like "lookout mobile security premium", as my android security software. It has saved my flashing bad software twice now. and although the opinion surrounding the ability for the android platform to catch a virus is often misguided, I continue to use anti-virus software on every computer I own. In fact, my note actually uses 2 anti-virus software packages. ( call me crazy, but I've "NEVER" caught a virus on the android OS)
Stay with trusted code, and run an anti-virus app. And if stock, or using touchwiz roms, use an auto reset blocker app as well.
With that setup, you are really in pretty good shape....g
Our SGH-717 doesn't _have_ an Exynos chipset. Doesn't affect us.
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Our SGH-717 doesn't _have_ an Exynos chipset. Doesn't affect us.
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Guessing OP does not have an I717.....
I certainly hope he does "NOT" flash anything from this section, to his note variant device....g
Dammit. Wrong note forum. My bad
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Dammit. Wrong note forum. My bad
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No worries, i'm just glad you did'nt flash anything from this section...
Happy flashing....g
Yeah, the international note N7000 has that set.
I don't think you're bricked if you flash it - - it probably won't run the script.
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Anyone get the update text just now
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Anyone get the update text just now
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I did on the 9th
No I just got another message a few minutes ago
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No I just got another message a few minutes ago
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So you received 2 separate text messages on 2 totally different dates? Did they both say the same thing?
AT&T Free Msg: The Samsung Galaxy Note upgrade to Android 4.1 Jelly Bean is now available! This OS update supports enhanced performance and user interface plus other device improvements. To download, open this link from your PC (not your phone) and follow the prompts: samsung.com/us/attgalaxynote/update
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So you received 2 separate text messages on 2 totally different dates? Did they both say the same thing?
AT&T Free Msg: The Samsung Galaxy Note upgrade to Android 4.1 Jelly Bean is now available! This OS update supports enhanced performance and user interface plus other device improvements. To download, open this link from your PC (not your phone) and follow the prompts: samsung.com/us/attgalaxynote/update
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Yea that's what it said. From what Samsung told me it was error on the carrier side. But did give a hint that multi view is on the way. Guess the petition did some good
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Yea that's what it said. From what Samsung told me it was error on the carrier side. But did give a hint that multi view is on the way. Guess the petition did some good
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Um, no, it just means AT&T sent the message twice..
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Um, no, it just means AT&T sent the message twice..
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Not gonna argue that. Just saying that Samsung said multi view update is not available yet. Do I believe them NO. But that's what's they said
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Not gonna argue that. Just saying that Samsung said multi view update is not available yet. Do I believe them NO. But that's what's they said
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If we see it, I think it'll be a positive sign that the carriers listen to the voices of users wanting (demanding) updates and similar featuresets to other models of the same handset (not stripped down) but I'd be really surprised if we ever see another official update out of AT&T for the Note.
We're under contract for two years, IMO we should get good support and reasonable updates for those two years.
I still think if carriers didn't screw with the updates so much, they could get them out faster and cheaper, but I doubt that'll happen
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If we see it, I think it'll be a positive sign that the carriers listen to the voices of users wanting (demanding) updates and similar featuresets to other models of the same handset (not stripped down) but I'd be really surprised if we ever see another official update out of AT&T for the Note.
We're under contract for two years, IMO we should get good support and reasonable updates for those two years.
I still think if carriers didn't screw with the updates so much, they could get them out faster and cheaper, but I doubt that'll happen
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I totally agree
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khaytsus said:
If we see it, I think it'll be a positive sign that the carriers listen to the voices of users wanting (demanding) updates and similar featuresets to other models of the same handset (not stripped down) but I'd be really surprised if we ever see another official update out of AT&T for the Note.
We're under contract for two years, IMO we should get good support and reasonable updates for those two years.
I still think if carriers didn't screw with the updates so much, they could get them out faster and cheaper, but I doubt that'll happen
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But what about all that content AT&T offers? How would we LIVE without it? /sarcasm
I totally agree, I wish Google enforced an osap release for every device with manufacturers so we'd have the option of vanilla or a manufacturer custom rom. Like that would ever happen lol
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But what about all that content AT&T offers? How would we LIVE without it? /sarcasm
I totally agree, I wish Google enforced an osap release for every device with manufacturers so we'd have the option of vanilla or a manufacturer custom rom. Like that would ever happen lol
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Well it just happen. Google galaxy s4
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Well it just happen. Google galaxy s4
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true but not exactly what I meant. What I mean is say Samung goes to release say the Note 3, they write an ASOP rom, and then another that has all of the touchwiz, multiple windows and other cool samsung apps. When the phone hits the carrier, it will inevitably be laced with AT&T bloatware, but we'd still have the original ASOP from sammy to choose from. Now I know in this model there's no way a company like Samsung could maintain 2 ROMs for every phone, but I think many of us would prefer to go without touchwiz for a clean experience and true customizability that Android was meant to be.
Really though, if Google went to more of a modular design instead of encoding the hardware drivers within a kernel that would be the end all of that. Yes I do understand that kernal compilation with the drivers provides a speedier system, but heck our phones are packing a dual core and it's just linux and linux is quick by nature.
Just my thoughts.
any got touch working with note 3
or some 1 know how to do it
sdgd
any 1 made a port for galazy note 3
really like too try ubuntu touch
not a big android fan
still no news on any one that got it working on there note 3 ??
no news no proper port of MIUI , Color OS or Ubuntu Touch
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no news no proper port of MIUI , Color OS or Ubuntu Touch
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any new information?
really this device has not so much developers
sahil00150 said:
really this device has not so much developers
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I'm amazed that this is the case. I just upgraded from the original galaxy note (sgh-i717) to the new galaxy note 3 (sm-n9005). The original note had a ton of development and there seems to be only a little bit for the note3... is this device just generally unpopular or something?
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I'm amazed that this is the case. I just upgraded from the original galaxy note (sgh-i717) to the new galaxy note 3 (sm-n9005). The original note had a ton of development and there seems to be only a little bit for the note3... is this device just generally unpopular or something?
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Knox messed it all up
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Knox messed it all up
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knox be damned though, it doesn't technically effect anything but warranty status, which i always assume is just plain gone as soon as i've modified any portion of the firmware (rom flashing, rooting, etc.). shouldn't be any different except for the permanent lack of the actual knox functionality which i'll leave up to the individual to decide if missing that featureset is important to them or not, but I don't really see the actual knox functionality as being beneficial. - I do think it's bull**** that they don't allow SElinux containers without the knox flag being 0x0 though. it's linux / SElinux. it's free, open source, and shouldn't have anything to do with the hardware restrictions at all.
so yeah, flashing on anything with unlocked bootloader really isn't that different from flashing on previous notes, s3, etc. besides losing knox functionality. result: we need more developers!
further, there *SHOULD* be some way to rewrite the kernel so that it doesn't look for the knox flag in the first place (just by removing or disabling the few lines of code that checks for it). could be a simple matter of commenting out "if knox=0x1 then break" again, we need more devs.
Can you recommend an easy or at least convenient way to get started as a developer?
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Can you recommend an easy or at least convenient way to get started as a developer?
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There is lots of documentation on the Android site of how to grab the Android developer tools and get your feet wet, but if you're interested if recommend checking out android development for dummies as s great primer. You can probably borrow it from your local public library.
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I really hope there will be some development soon since that ubuntu 14.04 will be released in roughly a week
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I was doing some reading and came across this interesting article. I hope our devs can UN dm-verify our stock kernel.
It may make rooting future devices much more difficult. I wonder what bug crawled up Google's butt.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/google-taking-aim-at-device-modders-in-android-4-4-kitkat/
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There always seems to be work around on every new version but this looks like bad news. Read the whole thing. Scary stuff for locked bootloaders.
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So do we get the pitchforks out and commence advance on LGs social media, etc? To get them to churn out an official build, of course.
It's a great phone and I bought it knowing they might not be quick on the draw. Didn't consider that 4.4 might make all these ROMs all for naught. Still, I needed a faster phone and this certainly fits the bill!
At same time I did know that short of a GSM Nexus that I couldn't have guarantee of latest Android.
I'm stuck on Verizon until March 2013. I can then slap a GSM Sim in, hopefully. But I paid retail so it's not like I want to buy a new phone anytime soon.
Well. I have myself to blame. Again. But I am off contract in March and this will never happen to me again!
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I am hopeful that when 4.4 comes out our devs will be able find a way for us to upgrade from 4.2 to a custom rooted 4.4 with out any issues. I do think that even stock unrooted this phone is fantastic it is carrier iq that is killing me. I'm sure att will put it in 4.4 also. Even though it was the carriers idea LG allows it to happen so I blame them also.
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Are all G2s bootloader locked? Including the international D802? Or only the carrier branded ones?
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sacredsoul said:
Are all G2s bootloader locked? Including the international D802? Or only the carrier branded ones?
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LG to my knowledge locks the bootloader on all its devices regardless of carrier.
This is troubling. The reason I chose the G2 was because it was the closest thing to the Nexus 5 on Verizon and had good developer support. Hopefully our fantastic developers will figure out a solution.
From what I understand, unless we upgrade to the official 4.4 LG ROM, there is no chance of this happening. Is that correct ?
I guess I'm selling the g2 for the nexus 5
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This is rubbish man..
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From what I understand, unless we upgrade to the official 4.4 LG ROM, there is no chance of this happening. Is that correct ?
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That's my take on it. It is built into the 4.4 kernel. I wonder if this had anything to do with Google buying Motorola in August. Lock the phones way down for the carriers.
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If there will not be a 4.4 rom within 3 months guess it is a dirty shot for those who bought it and want to buy it like me
Looks like I'll be rolling with Nexus devices from now on. I guess it was bound to happen though, I'm sure OEM's wanted another security layer because of bootloader work a rounds. On the upside though, there will be less threads on device release days asking for root and ROM ETA's!
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the funny thing even though android are opensource, the phones and hardware are not. Thats where improvement is. If you create an abstraction layer, where due to propriatary stuff its closed and updateable by vendor. Another layer, the OS can go on top, thusly eliminating hardware dependancy as well as increasing updatability. OS and security issues can then more easily be adressed, without the now unduable vendor involvement needed in integrating the new OS with all the hardware specifics. Given the entropy rate of new phones coming out, its undoable. This last, as wel as commercial reasons is why updates and fixes for security holes dont come fast. As of yet.
Right now we see the true devs juggling various devices as the rate of entropy in new devices is higher then more true devs coming in. Devices not even picket up by community cause there are no devs for it. The breaking point has come.
A new design must be made for this momentum, a new standard
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The bootloader may be locked, but since custom recovery is available our kernel can be modified...so we should be okay...right?
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hhhmmmm not enjoying reading this thread
brucipher said:
The bootloader may be locked, but since custom recovery is available our kernel can be modified...so we should be okay...right?
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right. as long as you can flash custom kernels all this stuff should not be a problem.
it's about time to build some kitkat
KitKat has been out for like 5 days. Let's give the developers some time before everyone starts freaking out for no reason. They always find a way.
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The bootloader may be locked, but since custom recovery is available our kernel can be modified...so we should be okay...right?
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I think people who are already rooted will be ok , they will just need to avoid the official 4.4 until a custom rom is built. The bigger problem will be for new unrooted owners. I would imagine it being tricky to flash a custom kernel without the ability to root. I also agree in time the devs will figure something out.
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KitKat has been out for like 5 days. Let's give the developers some time before everyone starts freaking out for no reason. They always find a way.
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I think people who are already rooted will be ok , they will just need to avoid the official 4.4 until a custom rom is built. The bigger problem will be for new unrooted owners. I would imagine it being tricky to flash a custom kernel without the ability to root. I also agree in time the devs will figure something out.
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I just uninstalled recovery and was about to unroot and return to store, you guys gave me the slap in face I needed. Going to keep my badass phone now, thanks, drinks on me.
There's a leaked Samsung Android 4.4 schedule on the net and it points to January for the S4 and N3. Going by the title at the top of the screenshot/picture it's the international variant S4/N3. US will be even longer. I'm quite pissed about this as these are the flagship devices and should be upgraded MUCH sooner. Thoughts?
http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...xy-s-4-and-note-3-s-iii-and-note-ii-by-april/
Anybody complaining about non nexus devices not getting updates instantly have clearly not been paying attention the last 3 years. January is earlier than I would have predicted.
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Not sure how big of a deal KitKat really will be,...
I installed some of the newer files [Email, Calendar, QuickOffice] from here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2506623
To get some of the newer available apps, but moving to 4.4 washes away the hard work that Devs [Hashcode, beans, and Hyper] have already invested into 4.3.
I find Root and ROMs much more beneficial than the OS,....for now. De-bloating and customization is key!!
4.4 literally brings no new Ingenuity or function.
give me a break; give me a break; don't break me off a piece of that kit kat rom.
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4.4 literally brings no new Ingenuity or function.
give me a break; give me a break; don't break me off a piece of that kit kat rom.
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That's not entirely true, it does bring host card emulation to allow NFC devices without a secure element to use Google Wallet.
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We're men here. We always want the latest and greatest no matter what!
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Doesn't 4.4 officially have like emojis integrated through the entire system? I could have sworn that's what I could have sworn I read. If it's true, that's enough for me to want the update :thumbup:
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4.4 also allows you to record what your screen is doing natively. That is actually pretty awesome for helping give instructions on how to install etc.
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Maybe they will mess up and leave some sort of exploit in the kernel or something so we can start flashing kernels and recoveries on this thing. Im starting to miss AOSP after a few weeks without my Note 2.....
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Maybe they will mess up and leave some sort of exploit in the kernel or something so we can start flashing kernels and recoveries on this thing. Im starting to miss AOSP after a few weeks without my Note 2.....
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We are trying to get Eclipse for our Note 3. He has aosp features added into the TW. There's a thread in general section if you are interested should check it out.
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We are trying to get Eclipse for our Note 3. He has aosp features added into the TW. There's a thread in general section if you are interested should check it out.
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Still isn't the same as having a bootloader bypass or unlock to truly run aosp.. heck we'd already be on kit kat if we had this that's where i will donate my funds to.
shiftr182 said:
Maybe they will mess up and leave some sort of exploit in the kernel or something so we can start flashing kernels and recoveries on this thing. Im starting to miss AOSP after a few weeks without my Note 2.....
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Just flashed CM11 4.4 on my N2
kwkw480 said:
Still isn't the same as having a bootloader bypass or unlock to truly run aosp.. heck we'd already be on kit kat if we had this that's where i will donate my funds to.
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Oh I agree it's not the same.
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Maybe they will mess up and leave some sort of exploit in the kernel or something so we can start flashing kernels and recoveries on this thing. Im starting to miss AOSP after a few weeks without my Note 2.....
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Never buy a locked device expecting aosp. Always assume a locked bootloader will remain that way.
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4.4 literally brings no new Ingenuity or function.
give me a break; give me a break; don't break me off a piece of that kit kat rom.
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Are you kidding? ART is potentially huge. I'd rather Samsung skip over 4.3 and go straight to 4.4 for this reason.
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Never buy a locked device expecting aosp. Always assume a locked bootloader will remain that way.
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I really had to think about it when I chose to get the Note 3, but I figure the features on this phone are pretty amazing, and the way its looking is that phones will mostly be locked in the future. ATT is locking theirs, Verizon is locking theirs, Im sure the rest will follow. If two out of the four major US carriers are doing this, there is a good chance that someone will find a way around it. For the time being, we have Hashcode who has found away around the lock for the most part. We just need to get something like Loki or KEXEC working.
My other option was to keep a phone that has outdated resolution, software and hardware..... I had the Note 2 for a year and was ready to move on.
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Are you kidding? ART is potentially huge. I'd rather Samsung skip over 4.3 and go straight to 4.4 for this reason.
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That's going to be hard to do since we're already on 4.3
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That's going to be hard to do since we're already on 4.3
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That part was for my Note 2. :cyclops:
We have no one to blame but ourselves. We accept the fact that the US carriers bend us over the barrel and do what they want to us. We accept it everyday by using their services, paying their crazy stupid prices and by accepting their restrictive contracts. Anyone who expects a US Wireless Carrier to offer an update let alone a Samsung update within a reasonable time frame is simply crazy.
The only reason the HTC One is getting it so fast is . . . well they don't have many phones to actually update or are worth updating so they have to keep pushing updates out to stay relevant. Of course the HTC one didn't get 4.2.2 we got stuck with 4.1.2 until we got 4.3. Of course I gave up on my HTC One long ago.
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4.4 also allows you to record what your screen is doing natively. That is actually pretty awesome for helping give instructions on how to install etc.
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Screen recording requires a PC attachment.
First day with my edge plus and I'm wondering if there is a root method and any roms worth flashing. Thanks.
Nope. Won't be for a very long time
Doubt there will be one but I am a rootaholic and since I got this phone I haven't felt the need to want to root. Does everything I need well.
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Why is that? why are you guys saying there wont be root nor roms for a long time? not a popular phone? or is it too new in the market? did I choose the wrong phone if I wanted mods?
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Why is that? why are you guys saying there wont be root nor roms for a long time? not a popular phone? or is it too new in the market? did I choose the wrong phone if I wanted mods?
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You're completely off. You chose the wrong carrier to buy phones from in general
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You're completely off. You chose the wrong carrier to buy phones from in general
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I've been with Verizon for ten years, 5 different phones and never had any issues getting plenty of roms and kernels for any of my phones, ever.
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I've been with Verizon for ten years, 5 different phones and never had any issues getting plenty of roms and kernels for any of my phones, ever.
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No issues I bet. But probably a difficult process to get there. T-Mobile seems the best for modification, but anyhow, the s6 edge plus just has a hard lockdown because of Verizon making modification difficult, I looked at the T-Mobile variant forumns and they have a custom kernel and a few stock based modified roms
Hopefully is just a matter of time then. Thanks for the info. In the meantime I downloaded Package Disabler Pro and disabled a bunch of bloatware.
Well if you don't care about texting and talking, the tmobile variants do work with Verizon 4g. I've tested and it connects just fine.
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Nothing yet, but it looks like they're getting closer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv0I45HtgtQ
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Nothing yet, but it looks like they're getting closer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv0I45HtgtQ
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how does a rooted g920f aosp rom have to do with a s6e+ on verizon?
those devices have unlocked BLs so they have way more options
I didn't know that. Sorry.
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I didn't know that. Sorry.
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no biggie..
to my knowledge i thought even if it did get rooted that it would no longer boot up on vzw/att? pretty sure youd need an unlocked BL regardless which most likely will not happen.. hasnt happened on vzwsammy since early s4 days lol
I don't think these phones have a good chance of getting root unless a universal method like towel root is discovered. Development is pretty much stagnant in the Verizon variants of these phones.
I blame all the a holes abusing unlimited data! With unlocked bootloader you can root, unlock WiFi Hotspot And feed the neighborhood
You don't need root for that... All you need is foxfi... Available on the Google play store
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I guess I don't understand what unlimited means.
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I blame all the a holes abusing unlimited data! With unlocked bootloader you can root, unlock WiFi Hotspot And feed the neighborhood
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Dumb statement. It goes deeper than that. With advertisement being one of the big reasons why it's locked down.
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Dumb statement. It goes deeper than that. With advertisement being one of the big reasons why it's locked down.
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That is true, but it's not a dumb statement , because that is part of it too.
So, you order all you can eat fish and get charged more and draw haters because you ate all you could eat. Wouldn't you be pissed if you bought a car with free oil change for life and 2 years later they wanted to start charging you because they never foreseen you actually using it and taking them for their word.
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