Please, confirm this information.
First question
How I know, Galaxy S3 uses lithium-Ion technology battery.
This batteries types should be never fully discharged, because the life of battery shortened every time doing that, right?
And need to charge them every time it's possible, without waiting it goes below 30% or less?
Unlike Ni-Cd batteries, should be totally discharged to set them at full charge cycle again.
Another question
Battery capacity (for example Galaxy's S3 - 2100mAh), should be charged with max rate charger, about 2100mA or less?
If I buy another battery with capacity ~3000mAh, can I charge it with 3000mA charger or less?
In case of USB charging is about 1000-1200mA, but USB DC power supply is 12V, instead of standart wall charger, is it safe for everyday charge?
And last question
How critical to remove charger after battery fully charged. This question not about overnight charging, i know overnight is not good for battery, but what about 1-4 hours "overcharging"?
Thank you!
also curious about this since I just got my S3...
Actually i never worried abt battery problems since whatever happens u can always buy a new battery!
the first one is correct.
the 2nd one is based on the rules that the slower the charge, the better it is for the battery (ofcourse there's a balance to this. If it's too slow, you'll never be able to fully charge your battery in time, but if it's too fast, you will damage the battery little by little). On this, you should just stick with the standard 1000mA. it'll charge it just fine. You will be just as fine using the USB charge speed of 475 mA.
3rd Li-ion have an active circuit system that handles overcharging. In fact, it switches to trickle charging (extremely slow charging) to combat that. Don't worry too much about overcharging. The active circuit will help manage that "problem"
russeini, it's not about costs (unless your usage forces to buy new battery every 6 months), but proper operation of phone. Stability is very important for me, even if i feel a little decrease of performance, i will try to fix it / buy parts.
mputtr, thanks for your reply!
Question 1: Lithium-ion batteries do not have "memory" so they do not need to be fully drained. It's actually bad for the battery to fully discharge. Simply charge when it gets low. (<25%)
Question 2: You are confusing battery capacity (mAh) with current (mA). Think of this as battery capacity is the amount of water a cup can hold, and the current is how fast you are pouring. Regardless of battery size, the internal circuitry will limit the current drawn from a given charger up to a certain point. A 2000mA charger will not charge the SGS3 any faster than a 1000mA charger. Maximum current draw for the SGS3 is somewhere between 750mA and 1000mA. What's more important than the current rating is the quality of the charger itself. A good quality OEM Samsung, HTC, Apple, Motorola, or HP USB charger works best. FYI, USB 2.0 is 500mA, USB 3.0 900mA. All USB ports only output at 5V
Last question: It won't harm your battery, the phone does not overcharge, it will stop charging once the battery is full.
Suggestion: Use a quality charger, I suggest the Samsung 1A or Apple iPhone 1A chargers, and use a high quality USB cable with preferably 24awg (lower number is better) power leads. Plug it in every night and don't worry so much about the battery. It will last at least a year and since the SGS3 luckily has a removable battery, it can easily be replaced with a new one!
Nokia 1200ma charger
Hello,
I have 2 questions I would really appreciate if someone could assist with.
It's about a new charger I got- genuine Nokia 1200ma (5V) charger :
1. When charging I checked using 'Galaxy Charging Current' app the current value that is drained,
and it showed me around 500ma, instead of 1000ma max. Why is that?
2. The touchscreen gets messed up and almost doesn't work while charging. It doesn't bothers me much, but can it harm the phone?
Thanks in advance.
- Jerry
jumbos said:
Hello,
I have 2 questions I would really appreciate if someone could assist with.
It's about a new charger I got- genuine Nokia 1200ma (5V) charger :
1. When charging I checked using 'Galaxy Charging Current' app the current value that is drained,
and it showed me around 500ma, instead of 1000ma max. Why is that?
2. The touchscreen gets messed up and almost doesn't work while charging. It doesn't bothers me much, but can it harm the phone?
Thanks in advance.
- Jerry
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Dont use a nokia charger for samsung devices. Somewhat they are not compatible though it charges (but not at its best). I also experienced the touchscreen issues with my xperia sola, when i used another type of charger (not the stock sony). So i suppose use same brand for charging your s3.
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Why is this thread even here lol.
tsukot said:
Dont use a nokia charger for samsung devices. Somewhat they are not compatible though it charges (but not at its best). I also experienced the touchscreen issues with my xperia sola, when i used another type of charger (not the stock sony). So i suppose use same brand for charging your s3.
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I see. I don't have the stock charger. I only have this Nokia charger. So, you are suggesting me stop using it and go buy a new Samsung charger, right?
You think the Nokia charger may damage the phone or the battery?
jumbos said:
I see. I don't have the stock charger. I only have this Nokia charger. So, you are suggesting me stop using it and go buy a new Samsung charger, right?
You think the Nokia charger may damage the phone or the battery?
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One don't hijack threads and two your choice re charger but use Nokia and warranty is void .
jje
JJEgan said:
One don't hijack threads and two your choice re charger but use Nokia and warranty is void .
jje
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Thanks for help.
I don't know what is "hijack threads". I just searched google for 'charging Galaxy S3', found this thread and replied.
To save battery life, the best strategy is using the default Samsung charger voltage with a very very low intensity (some mA).
For all lithium batteries: less charging intensity is -> less battery's temperature is -> less battery damage BUT charging is very slow.
If you apply an high intensity (> 1A), the charging time is reduced but it damages the battery.
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Thanks for help.
I don't know what is "hijack threads". I just searched google for 'charging Galaxy S3', found this thread and replied.
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hijack means you using someone else's thread which talks about a different topic to ask your own questions that is not about the thread.
kinda like interrupting a conversation about new cars to ask if anyone knows how to fix your motorcycle.
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hijack means you using someone else's thread which talks about a different topic to ask your own questions that is not about the thread.
kinda like interrupting a conversation about new cars to ask if anyone knows how to fix your motorcycle.
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OK, but my question is totally related to the topic..
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OK, but my question is totally related to the topic..
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only related in the concept of charging. you're having a specific issue about a specific charger.
you're technically hijacking a thread. but whatever. i eas only explaining to you what hijacking a thread means.
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only related in the concept of charging. you're having a specific issue about a specific charger.
you're technically hijacking a thread. but whatever. i eas only explaining to you what hijacking a thread means.
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OK, thanks.
I think that you can turn off some process if you don't use it.It can save your battery !Thank you
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Is it possible that if i use another device charger like blackberry or whatever compatible may give me a better battery life ? I saw on x8 forums a guy claimed using an htc charger and posted a screenshot where it showed up to 6 days of usage !
Thaanks.
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Is it possible that if i use another device charger like blackberry or whatever compatible may give me a better battery life ? I saw on x8 forums a guy claimed using an htc charger and posted a screenshot where it showed up to 6 days of usage !
Thaanks.
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The charger is just a simple 5 volt power supply.
The charging circuits are in fact integrated into the device/phone itself.
You woulnd't be able to affect the battery capacity in any way by using a different charger.
I'd say that claim about improved battery life due to changing the charger is very unlikely. I'd call it a fake.
Perhaps improve charging time, but not improving battery capacity.
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The charger is just a simple 5 volt power supply.
The charging circuits are in fact integrated into the device/phone itself.
You woulnd't be able to affect the battery capacity in any way by using a different charger.
I'd say that claim about improved battery life due to changing the charger is very unlikely. I'd call it a fake.
Perhaps improve charging time, but not improving battery capacity.
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oooh thanks because the guy said the other charger was way more powerfull and it overcharged which caused an extreme change in his battery life but thanks anyways
shahkam said:
oooh thanks because the guy said the other charger was way more powerfull and it overcharged which caused an extreme change in his battery life but thanks anyways
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Overcharging a lipo battery in a device such as the X10 (Lithium Polymer) would end up in either one of these scenarios:
Scenario 1: Phone and battery overheats, thermal protection kicks in and disables charging permanently.
Scenario 2: Phone and battery overheats, frying the internal charging circuits. Permanent damage.
Scenario 3: Phone and battery overheats, causing an explosion. Worst case: exploded battery catches fire.
Battery fires are tricky to put out and can cause major damage, not only to the device, but also to everything around it.
Don't worry tho.
As long as the charger, or whatever power supply you're using, gives 5 volt DC with correct polarisation, you'll be safe.
But as soon you fiddle around with different voltages, specially anything higher than 5 volts, it starts getting dangerous.
There is a common misunderstanding on how volts and currents works.
People tend to believe a charger with higher currents will do better. That is wrong.
It isn't the charger that "pushes" the current. It's the device that "draws" the current needed.
Example: If the device needs 700 miliamps, and the charger can give 5000 milliamps there will be 4300 milliamps left over.
In theory one could connect 7 devices to the same charger: 7x700=4900, and still have 100 milliamps left over.
What would happen if the device draws more than the charger can give? The device wouldn't charge at all, as the charger would "drop out" in one way or another by either shutting down, or lowering it's own voltage below "acceptable level"
SysGhost said:
Overcharging a lipo battery in a device such as the X10 (Lithium Polymer) would end up in either one of these scenarios:
Scenario 1: Phone and battery overheats, thermal protection kicks in and disables charging permanently.
Scenario 2: Phone and battery overheats, frying the internal charging circuits. Permanent damage.
Scenario 3: Phone and battery overheats, causing an explosion. Worst case: exploded battery catches fire.
Battery fires are tricky to put out and can cause major damage, not only to the device, but also to everything around it.
Don't worry tho.
As long as the charger, or whatever power supply you're using, gives 5 volt DC with correct polarisation, you'll be safe.
But as soon you fiddle around with different voltages, specially anything higher than 5 volts, it starts getting dangerous.
There is a common misunderstanding on how volts and currents works.
People tend to believe a charger with higher currents will do better. That is wrong.
It isn't the charger that "pushes" the current. It's the device that "draws" the current needed.
Example: If the device needs 700 miliamps, and the charger can give 5000 milliamps there will be 4300 milliamps left over.
In theory one could connect 7 devices to the same charger: 7x700=4900, and still have 100 milliamps left over.
What would happen if the device draws more than the charger can give? The device wouldn't charge at all, as the charger would "drop out" in one way or another by either shutting down, or lowering it's own voltage below "acceptable level"
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Thanks for the very detailed explication ! I thanked you and i thank you lol
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Hello,
my Galaxy S II is charging extremely slowly. It takes about 2-3 hours to fully charge.
I underclocked it when its charging with setcpu but it still needs so much time.
My Iphone 3gs charged much faster...
Is there any other option to increase the charging speed?
Search would have saved this post .
SGS2 standard charge time 3 hours .
jje
Don't screw with it. Li-ion battery needs a certain charging algorithm and too much current can blow it up.
jannism said:
Hello,
my Galaxy S II is charging extremely slowly. It takes about 2-3 hours to fully charge.
I underclocked it when its charging with setcpu but it still needs so much time.
My Iphone 3gs charged much faster...
Is there any other option to increase the charging speed?
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I think this is normal for our devices, sir. Mine takes that long too and it would take longer (more than 5 hours, I think) if only via my PC's USB port. But don't worry about it. The longer it takes for you to recharge your phone means the lower the power that goes into your battery. With that, the longer your battery will last.
I don't recall the exact specs of the S2's charger. I think it outputs 1amp (or lower). If I want to quickly charge my phone, I plug it into my HP TouchPad's charger which outputs 2amps. I may be shortening my battery's lifespan, but I'm not too concerned. I have an additional spare battery and I'll probably end up replacing the phone in another few months anyway.
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I don't recall the exact specs of the S2's charger. I think it outputs 1amp (or lower). If I want to quickly charge my phone, I plug it into my HP TouchPad's charger which outputs 2amps. I may be shortening my battery's lifespan, but I'm not too concerned. I have an additional spare battery and I'll probably end up replacing the phone in another few months anyway.
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What s/he said. ^ Stock battery is around 1600mah. A charge current of 1.6Amps is the most I would go for personally. This should complete the job in around 1hr from completely flat.
jannism said:
Hello,
my Galaxy S II is charging extremely slowly. It takes about 2-3 hours to fully charge.
I underclocked it when its charging with setcpu but it still needs so much time.
My Iphone 3gs charged much faster...
Is there any other option to increase the charging speed?
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Yes:Switch the phone off. Or if you need it on for calls, then switch off the wifi etc.
Better to keep it charging via USB when you are using your pc/laptop if not using it.
Best of all buy an extended battery, then you have no worries...
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I don't recall the exact specs of the S2's charger. I think it outputs 1amp (or lower). If I want to quickly charge my phone, I plug it into my HP TouchPad's charger which outputs 2amps. I may be shortening my battery's lifespan, but I'm not too concerned. I have an additional spare battery and I'll probably end up replacing the phone in another few months anyway.
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Doing this achieves nothing. Your phone does not draw more than 650mA.
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Doing this achieves nothing. Your phone does not draw more than 650mA.
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I stand corrected. Indeed the phone never draws the full 2amps.
oinkylicious said:
Doing this achieves nothing. Your phone does not draw more than 650mA.
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so changing the charging current in the voltage control app does nothing anyway?
kyle51 said:
so changing the charging current in the voltage control app does nothing anyway?
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Correct, purely placebo. Though it would allow you to change USB/MISC charging to 650mA.
My RAZR doesn't charge faster even I used with higher current 2.1 amp charger.
Is there anyway to remove that charging current limitation?
Thanks!
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Yeah
By charging the battery directly with a charger.
Don't do that, it's dangerous (possibly) and most likely will damage the battery by charging it too fast.
And higher amperage does charge my razr faster up to ~95%
After that it charges slower, by the time it's at 100 it's like only 10mins
But from 0-90 its about a 30min gain
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ooohhaaahh said:
Yeah
By charging the battery directly with a charger.
Don't do that, it's dangerous (possibly) and most likely will damage the battery by charging it too fast.
And higher amperage does charge my razr faster up to ~95%
After that it charges slower, by the time it's at 100 it's like only 10mins
But from 0-90 its about a 30min gain
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0-90 : about 30mins is so impressive.
What charger did you use to charge that quicker? I've tried with my car charger Kensington 2.1amp but charging time is as the same as original wall charger 800mah.
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That's because the phones charging protection circuitry only draws the current that is required
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Hardware or software related?
Is there anyway we can remove that restriction?
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I know it may sound good to remove he restriction, but it's not a good idea at all.
It's hardware related (probably just some diodes/CIs) and that's the way it should stay (from safety reasons). Batteries have predetermined "life-cycles" and by charging them with a higher current than specified, will definitely cause cells to overheat and melt/ignite. Even if you pull this off once or twice, the battery will die very quickly...
More info on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery
Scroll down to safety/specifications.
katu2006 said:
I know it may sound good to remove he restriction, but it's not a good idea at all.
It's hardware related (probably just some diodes/CIs) and that's the way it should stay (from safety reasons). Batteries have predetermined "life-cycles" and by charging them with a higher current than specified, will definitely cause cells to overheat and melt/ignite. Even if you pull this off once or twice, the battery will die very quickly...
More info on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery
Scroll down to safety/specifications.
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Thank you for your info!!!
Due to hardware restricted, it shouldn't be a problem if I use my car charger to charge it on the way, should it?
I wouldn't pull that hardware off.
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blisslove said:
0-90 : about 30mins is so impressive.
What charger did you use to charge that quicker? I've tried with my car charger Kensington 2.1amp but charging time is as the same as original wall charger 800mah.
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an iphone charger (1A)...it gets insanely hot when charging the razr and charges mostly faster than the stock charger.
i advise to not use the 2 amp charger too often and just live with the charge times, your battery will last longer that way.
does you 2.1 A charger atleast get from 0-50 faster?
maybe it's just too much of a load so it gets restricted
ooohhaaahh said:
an iphone charger (1A)...it gets insanely hot when charging the razr and charges mostly faster than the stock charger.
i advise to not use the 2 amp charger too often and just live with the charge times, your battery will last longer that way.
does you 2.1 A charger atleast get from 0-50 faster?
maybe it's just too much of a load so it gets restricted
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This morning I charged my RAZR with my 2.1A charger. Yes, you're right, it did charge a bit quicker before 50%. So, I reckon, I shouldn't charge my RAZR with it again.
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blisslove said:
This morning I charged my RAZR with my 2.1A charger. Yes, you're right, it did charge a bit quicker before 50%. So, I reckon, I shouldn't charge my RAZR with it again.
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exactly
i'd advise against it as that is a major jump in amps
It really shouldn't make a difference, since the phone should only be pulling what it needs/can handle. Any charger 5v 1a and up should ideally take the same amount of time to charge the battery. Just because the charger can supply a higher current doesn't mean the phone will demand it.
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It really shouldn't make a difference, since the phone should only be pulling what it needs/can handle. Any charger 5v 1a and up should ideally take the same amount of time to charge the battery. Just because the charger can supply a higher current doesn't mean the phone will demand it.
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I thought the same as you before but it did charge a bit quicker than normal with 2.1A . (0 to 50%).
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brandogg said:
It really shouldn't make a difference, since the phone should only be pulling what it needs/can handle. Any charger 5v 1a and up should ideally take the same amount of time to charge the battery. Just because the charger can supply a higher current doesn't mean the phone will demand it.
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the circuit won't let you instantly harm the battery, but we have no idea what the C rating is on the battery so it could still stress the battery more than is needed, and yes, total charge time is pretty much the same, but it gets to a higher percentage faster, and then hits a major slowdown when the charging circuitry kicks in.
my razr makes the iphone charger i have instantly heat up, no other phone/iphone does this, there is nothing wrong with the phone or charger (it's the charger i use when not home)
I'd say it's completely safe to charge any smartphone with compatible charger. Specialized IC will check voltage, current, temperature (and their delta's)and won't let you harm your battery.
If your phone charges faster from 0-90% its OK!
I've used Nokia chargers (AC-10E and AC-50E- 1.3A), also Samsung, HTC, and lots of USB ports in cars, PC's and others with my HD2, S8500, and now XT910 - it works just fine.
If somebody knows what IC Moto used in XT910, we could check what charging routine is used and estimate max charging current (I think that 2.1A charger is overkill)
EDIT: Power management chip in XT910 is Quallcomm PM8028, but no datasheet is available.
The gs4 doesn't charge at 5.0 V and 2.0mA this new battery app proves it it only charges at 4.1v and 1mA using charger that comes with gs4
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is it possible the app is wonky or reading the phone incorrectly? mine charges up quickly and just fine. not sure how the samsung charger is fake...
gabrielpina4 said:
The gs4 doesn't charge at 5.0 V and 2.0mA this new battery app proves it it only charges at 4.1v and 1mA using charger that comes with gs4
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The app can only tell how much different the battery is, not how much juice is actually flowing into it. Meaning, the possibility exists that you phone is *using* juice while it's charging, lowering the amount of difference the app can see.
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The gs4 doesn't charge at 5.0 V and 2.0mA this new battery app proves it it only charges at 4.1v and 1mA using charger that comes with gs4
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Thread fail. Voltage output, as verified with a Fluke 77 Type IV multimeter, is spot on 5 VDC. Current, which is governed by the phone, has been verified by many to a max of 1900 mA.
I can see just from the screenshots that the app is detailing misinformation. Were your phone actually charging at the rate indicated, it would take approximately 26 days for it to fully charge, assuming no use, from the 76% in the screenshots.
Oftentimes you get what you pay for. Such is the case with Amazon's Free App of the Day sometimes.
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Thread fail. Voltage output, as verified with a Fluke 77 Type IV multimeter, is spot on 5 VDC. Current, which is governed by the phone, has been verified by many to a max of 1900 mA.
I can see just from the screenshots that the app is detailing misinformation. Were your phone actually charging at the rate indicated, it would take approximately 26 days for it to fully charge, assuming no use, from the 76% in the screenshots.
Oftentimes you get what you pay for. Such is the case with Amazon's Free App of the Day sometimes.
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god among men
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I know this is incorrect but even if I didn't, I still would not believe it was not 2amp. This phone charges scary fast.... so fast that I do actually use a 1amp charger. I don't hate my battery enough to charge it that fast
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Help a newbie out.
I had an iPhone 5 that charged ridiculously fast compared to older phones.
When I'm charging my new S 4, how do I get the faster charge rate?
I'm currently using the Moto 2 USB wall outlet charger that came with my razr maxx hd. And it seems like it takes way longer then my five and I chalked it up to having twice the battery.
Is there a faster way to charge?
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Rickinsav said:
Help a newbie out.
I had an iPhone 5 that charged ridiculously fast compared to older phones.
When I'm charging my new S 4, how do I get the faster charge rate?
I'm currently using the Moto 2 USB wall outlet charger that came with my razr maxx hd. And it seems like it takes way longer then my five and I chalked it up to having twice the battery.
Is there a faster way to charge?
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Use the charger and cable that came with the phone.
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Use the charger and cable that came with the phone.
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The new charger is amazingly fast, if thats a word. I was going to use my.old charger from the s3 at work but its so slow it barely keeps up with use and can't keep up if I'm running my wifi or playing games. Now I just need to find a car charger thats as fast as the new charger.
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Keep in mind there's more to it then just the wall charger's output ability. There's something in the S4 that recognizes the original sammy charger and turns up the charge rate yet will only allow a trickle charge on other non-sammy 2.1A wall chargers.
It appears that dome people are aware of this and have managed to modify the non-sammy chargers to enable the faster charge. Then there's some semantic confusion between "quick charge" and "fast charge" features that may be enabled in roms or kernels.
All I know is I wish there were more info on this stuff.
A little knowledge of how Li-ion batteries charge is an important thing. Li-ion batteries have special charging requirements.
The part you plug into the wall... thats not a charger... its a power supply. It provides a 5v DC output at up to 2 amps.
The charger is built into the phone, and it determines how to use that available power to charge and power the device.
Li-ion batteries charge in a two stage cycle that is called "constant current/constant voltage". It is also important to know that a battery's voltage drops as it is discharged. (this voltage drop is how the battery meter gets its information, as it is predictable when tested under constant loads... the variable load of a phone is why the meter seems to be inaccurate at times)
During the first phase, "constant current", the battery is fed a constant current at the same voltage as the battery is currently outputting. As the battery takes in energy, the voltage rises but the current is kept constant.
The second phase, "constant voltage" starts when the battery reaches its highest voltage. (or more accurately, its highest safe voltage, which is around 90% capacity) During this second phase, the battery is fed a constant voltage, (the max voltage) and the current varies. The battery will draw as much current as it is able, and this rate slows naturally as the battery reaches full capacity. When the current drops lower than a certain set amount, the charger stops the charging process and the battery is said to be fully charged. This second phase is slow compared to the first phase, and that is why it can seem like the last 10% of charge takes longer than any prior 10%.
Some phones use the power supply to both power the device and charge the battery, the battery is electrically isolated during charging... but most charge the battery without isolation. Either way, the power from the power supply is being used to both charge and power the device, and this limits the charging speed.
This also limits the maximum capacity the battery can be charged to while in the device, because the voltage/current measuring is less precise. Unfortunately for these phones, the charging is controlled by software, and not simple hardware circuits that are isolated from the battery power. In fact, even when charging the phone with the power off... the phone is still actually powered up but in a low power background mode. This mode is actually a special screen off recovery mode. CWM recovery has had several instances of bugs, where the phone could not charge if the battery died to the point of powering of the device. Because the phone could never power into the special mode to start charging, due to this special mode being missing from, or bugged in CWM.
Also... these batteries have on average a 2-3 year lifespan, and also limited number of recharge cycles. The 2-3 year life is the same even if the battery is unused. As the battery ages, it looses capacity.
Charging at slower rates is better for battery lifespan than higher rates. Now the batteries in the S4 and especially the Note 2 are larger, and 2A is still considered a fairly slow rate, but of course 1A is even better. If you tend to charge only at night while sleeping, it may be better to use a 1A charger.
Awesome explaination !!! That makes complete sense and explains things. The point made in a prior post, about the phone recognizing the new charger, thus charging faster makes sense as well. The new charger must "turn on " the quicker charging on the S3 as well, because it charges my old S3 as fast as my S4. I didn't try the charger on the older firmware but it definetly works with the latest update.
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As we know S3 takes a lot of time to charge so i was curious about any tweak which can help in this thing. Any solution guys
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ashisharia said:
As we know S3 takes a lot of time to charge so i was curious about any tweak which can help in this thing. Any solution guys
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There are kernels (like the Googy-Max Kernel) which can increase the standard value of 1000 mA up to 1500mA but this can reduce the lifetime of the battery or cause other unforeseeable damage to your phone. Also increasing the charging current could be useless because if you use the standard Samsung charger it's likely that it charges with a max of 1000 mA ( look at the output on your wall charger).
The only thing useful for me is to increase the USB charging current from 475 mA (which is the standard value) to 900 mA. This increases the charging speed when charging through USB noticeably.
Replace your cables with stock Samsung cables. Mine takes about 2 hours to charge fully, from the wall, no amperage modifications.
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I had a slow charge problem using any non-stock cable. I replaced all the ones in the house (my GF, my stepsons S2 and mine) and we were all back to good charging speeds.
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ashisharia said:
As we know S3 takes a lot of time to charge so i was curious about any tweak which can help in this thing. Any solution guys
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Just change yr stock wall charger to Dexim brand I recommend...but not the the cable
how much does it take? around 2 hours? that is okay! if it's more, you just change the cable first. :thumbup:
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mines takes around 1 1/2 hrs to fully charge I slighty bumped the mA to 1200 from 1000 mA using boeffla kernel.
I'm also using the stock charger and the standard micro-usb cable from the box.
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As we know S3 takes a lot of time to charge so i was curious about any tweak which can help in this thing. Any solution guys
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1. The bigger the recharging current -> the shorter the life expectancy of the battery.
2. The bigger the recharging current -> the higher the chance for the battery to become very warm and eventually burst into flames if it is a slightly defective one.
I leave mine all the night and only charge to 72% :/ but the battery was completly dead. Right now I finally fully charge my s3 (like4 hours more) When my phone was new, that happen 1 time, but I fully charge and the problem was gone. I hope that is no a phone problem.
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Also ensure you're using quality cables. I had a cheapo 1-m USB extension bought at eBay that limited me to ~550 mA*; got a longer 2-m extension from "Cables to Go" (Amazon) and I'm getting ~1500 mA.
* According to "Battery Monitor Widget".