So,
Putting my infinite wisdom to use, I've established anecdotal evidence (oxymoron? I tease....) that says something is pooping on my MicroSD cards...and that something is....wait for it, wait for it....Custom ROMs (dun, dun, dunnnnnnn). Ehr Mah Guards!!!
I ran the stock ICS ROM for many, many months without issue, and my SD Card was a champ the whole time (excluding one time I plugged it into my Wintel Box, windows thought it was damaged and decided to move a few files around, leaving me a few hundred presents, in the form of LOST.DIR checkdisk files). However, once the Jellies Beans Leakz came out, it was quickly the consensus that it had become, literally overnight, the Bee's Knees. I hopped on mah 'pooter right 'way, and downloaded that sweet sweet ROM dew. Minutes later, and it was like Mardis Gras...if ya know what I mean. He he.
Fast furward about a month, and my Good Old Champ starting to fail on me. "SD Damaged. Yada yada yada...format me." So I did. I figured it was a one off thing kinda thing, ya know? So I continued on my happy way to flashing heaven...combining endlessly different mods, themes, etc. Since charging has always been slower on AOSP ROMs, I jus' charged me batterease in my external travel charger (which can charge a battery from zero to hero in 30 minutes flat), and when mah juices got down to critical levels, I just plopped may battery out, without shutting down or anything, and popped a new one back in! Ah...the marvels of modern devices, right? I figured I could shut this baby down a hundred different ways, and as along as I wasn't flashing something, I'd be fine!
WRONG!!! A week later, I was minding my own business, watching a Keira Knightley Flix, and I forgot to charge or change me battery. The thing crapped on me, and when i booted back up, KABLAM! YOUR SD CARD IS CORRUPTED!!! FORMAT ME NOWWWWWWW.
Oops! I went back to ICS, had a merry time for some months, and not furgetting about mah SD issue, I bought a new card. A stand up card, from a stand up kinda guy, I think his name was Mamason, and the SD card was made by Sand Tisk.
But im a regular kinda guy. So i spent a buttload of cheddar on it, thinking i suffered a fool for buyin' he cheap stuff before. Well no more! No more o' DAT cheap stuff for me Meow. You coodint pay me to use the cheap, regular, barnyard animal quality micros anymore!
So there I was, happy as a kitty with a catnip lollipop, on mah Galaxy Note, new Sandy Micros and e'rything, enjoyin me stocks. I enjoyed it for a few more months, unhindered....then I got fancy...I needed a fix. Bad.
So I decided to go checking out some new flashables, in the Developmental sections at the local ExDeeAysss. I got ter flashing...enjoyed meself quite a bit, dare I say--for about two weeks; before I got thàt DEEaarrrnnnn "SD damaged!" Message again. Yowserrs! Not again!
I formatted once more, switched to a different Bean ROM, and flashed away! Guess what? A month later: "SD Damaged!”
Emooooooo Raaaagggeeeee! Kaaaaammmaaayyyyyyuuuuuuhhhhh!
I went back to ICS, flashed and flashed some stuff there, and voila!!!! No issues!
Now, I cant tie this to random reboots, to Google's extremely vulgar and disappointing lack of knowledge when it comes to modern file systems, for supporting only FAT32, to code in the AOSP, or to a bug somewhere.....but what i can say, is that abusing my phone in AoSP almost immediately gets you a donkey punch to the Note face, leaving your SD Card's brain concussed, and your memory corrupted, with a complete loss of data. Which is really bad, if you plan on using your NANDROIDs on your external storage to recover from in case something bad happens.
I can also say that this doesn't seem to happen on the stock ROMs, or at least it doesn't happen nearly as often on Samsung ROMs. As someone who uses flash memory on an industrial scale for his side jobs and projects, and abuses it elsewhere, this isn't typical. ID really like to know if anyone else has any experience or knowledge to share here, which might just turn this from anecdotal evidence, to something a tad bit more concrete.
Anyone else care to share/chip in?
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1) Interesting post. You might have a future in writting.
2) Huh?
3) Kinda long winded. Couldn't read it all.
4) Huh???
I'm not going to dis-agree with your analogies regarding the SD card, and it's possibly being damaged by particular roms/builds.
I too, have suffered 2 SD card failures since running custom builds, and in particular, the JB builds.
I've not yet isolated the cause of course, but it seems that some pieces of code are likely messing up the file structure when the card is being written.
However, it is also quite possible, that the rom itself is not the issue, As many applications have the same ability in messing up the card, and it's read/write access.
We may never know what the cause is, unless folks are willing to disect the build down to the base level, an eliminate each and every application that runs to the external SD.
No doubt a long and painful activity.
Also, I've not had any more issues..(4 months) using (cough...not sandisk) other cards, and at least class 8 or higher.
I'm also running an AOSP/JB build. (thank you Flappjaxxx)....
So I really can't say what may cause the issue, but I know it certainly exists, as I can confirm your findings as well.
Perhaps a skilled Dev. or another person, much more skilled than myself will crack the mystery one day. But for now, I suggest a good quality card, in a class 8-10, and if the card gives you trouble, then try another brand.
I know these cards are mass produced, and vary greatly in quality. Good luck in your quest Sir.....g
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I'm not going to dis-agree with your analogies regarding the SD card, and it's possibly being damaged by particular roms/builds.
I too, have suffered 2 SD card failures since running custom builds, and in particular, the JB builds.
I've not yet isolated the cause of course, but it seems that some pieces of code are likely messing up the file structure when the card is being written.
However, it is also quite possible, that the rom itself is not the issue, As many applications have the same ability in messing up the card, and it's read/write access.
We may never know what the cause is, unless folks are willing to disect the build down to the base level, an eliminate each and every application that runs to the external SD.
No doubt a long and painful activity.
Also, I've not had any more issues..(4 months) using (cough...not sandisk) other cards, and at least class 8 or higher.
I'm also running an AOSP/JB build. (thank you Flappjaxxx)....
So I really can't say what may cause the issue, but I know it certainly exists, as I can confirm your findings as well.
Perhaps a skilled Dev. or another person, much more skilled than myself will crack the mystery one day. But for now, I suggest a good quality card, in a class 8-10, and if the card gives you trouble, then try another brand.
I know these cards are mass produced, and vary greatly in quality. Good luck in your quest Sir.....g
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Yes! Exactly my thinking...I can't realistically even make a guesstimate at this point. Is it tied to reboots during disk access? A certain program I'm using? Themes? Etc.
But I can say that it happens exponentially more often with my AOSP runs. Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. So I say "it happens more often" to be conservative--it hasn't happened to me on a stock ROM, and I don't remember it even happening on a stock-based ROM. But that doesn't mean it doesn't happen, amirite? Maybe it's the infinitely configurable nature and availability of AOSP customizations, mixed with my infinitely-satisfied-for-just-a-day-or-two behaviors, that's causing this-- primarily due to my tinkering.
Donald Rumsfeld had it right...the things we know we know, the things we know we don't know, the things we don't know we don't know....jeeze.
And equally, the versatility, and the sheer force of diversity, will probably ensure we never nail something down.
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My guess would be the lack of a certain piece of code. Something that protects, or at least improves and stabilizes the write process.
Since we are dealing with the AOSP buids here, we lack the code added by carriers prior to device shipment, and certainly the testing of those builds.
AOSP is simply raw android, and ported to our devices by a number of means. One can only surmise, that a potential flaw may exist in the transfer proccess. (Maybe)
We may never know the cause, but it certainly is worth looking into further, given the costs associated with SD cards in general, and the amount of important data that they can store.
I know it's painful, to rely on a simple card that stores photos of families etc....Being lost and impossible to recover.
We have become dependent on our devices for support. And when a failure occurs, I suggest a backup plan, by leaving nothing on a simple card, we are not willing to be without.
Backups, and storage to other areas is really quite mandatory.....g
I fried one of mine recently by using Dark Side Super Wipe. Nobody believed me lol.
But I'm good with just the internal memory.
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charlieb620 said:
I fried one of mine recently by using Dark Side Super Wipe. Nobody believed me lol.
But I'm good with just the internal memory.
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As mentioned above.....what we know, we dont know.....LOL
It is "WITHOUT QUESTION"...possible for a script to reach the SD card, and kill it.
Not that it's a common occurence, but without a doubt it can happen.
I wish my skill set regarding the file structure of android was a bit better, so I could look deeper into these issues.
But my old brain gets too hurting over this stuff...LOL.....g
gregsarg said:
My guess would be the lack of a certain piece of code. Something that protects, or at least improves and stabilizes the write process.
Since we are dealing with the AOSP buids here, we lack the code added by carriers prior to device shipment, and certainly the testing of those builds.
AOSP is simply raw android, and ported to our devices by a number of means. One can only surmise, that a potential flaw may exist in the transfer proccess. (Maybe)
We may never know the cause, but it certainly is worth looking into further, given the costs associated with SD cards in general, and the amount of important data that they can store.
I know it's painful, to rely on a simple card that stores photos of families etc....Being lost and impossible to recover.
We have become dependent on our devices for support. And when a failure occurs, I suggest a backup plan, by leaving nothing on a simple card, we are not willing to be without.
Backups, and storage to other areas is really quite mandatory.....g
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Titanium Media Sync would be a worthy solution, were it able to write over Samba. I could just mirror everything over to my NAS. For now, drop box will have to do. With a paltry 6Mbps up, it could take days to reach the initial parity.
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Titanium Media Sync would be a worthy solution, were it able to write over Samba. I could just mirror everything over to my NAS. For now, drop box will have to do. With a paltry 6Mbps up, it could take days to reach the initial parity.
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Days indeed ....
I suggest a good book while the upload occurs ..LOL ...g
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I spoke with a high level manager at Sandisk US today regarding a project I am involved with that utilizes micro sdhc cards. The project requires as much memory as possible and I asked them when the 8GB would be available for testing and for purchase.
I was told that testing units to qualified partners would be available in Q4 of this year with full production around the beginning of 2008.
Any other information you get from a possible seller is suspect and should be viewed as inaccurate.
Unfortunately this will keep the cost of the 4GB high until 2008.
Someones pulling your leg!
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Someones pulling your leg!
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I kind of doubt it since I was speaking with the OEM Marketing Manager and the Sales group for Sandisk USA in California. Maybe things are different in Europe but this is the company line in the states.
Also, keep in mind that I wasn't calling as a consumer, but rather as a potential OEM partner so I have no reason to doubt their word and they have no reason to screw with me.
I have been using an 8GB MICRO SD for about 2 weeks. A lady friend in Germany sent it to me to borrow. It works perfectly with the rom on my Hermes: HTC_TyTN_WWE_3.54.255.3_6275_1.48.00.10_108
I am not able to tell others what I dont know but what I do know is the company who produce the version I am messing about with produce internal components and similar to Nokia. The card simply has a code on it with the number 8 at the end. It also works in my Card reader through windows XP. It recognizes it on the laptop too.
Point is that it is 8GB.
I will be glad when I can get a hold of a released version as it may not be the fastest at copying to and from via the PC but it is great to be able to store more films and music.
I meant by pulling you leg, that there are several others from what I can gather who are about to release the 8GB and above over the coming weeks and it may pay you to look further than Sandisk is you are in a hurry.
I fully understood the angle you were trying to explain and realized you meant you were chatting to them as a non consumer.(a potential OEM partner)
UPDATED: The "8" is NOT an "8" it is a "symbol" that looks like half a "B" with a line protruding through it. It means nothing to me as I have no idea what it stands for. The code looks like "Be33-f" what ever that means. Maybe someone can add some light on it. I have a feeling it is simply a code and thats it.
nicholasendean said:
I have been using an 8GB MICRO SD for about 2 weeks. A lady friend in Germany sent it to me to borrow. It works perfectly with the rom on my Hermes: HTC_TyTN_WWE_3.54.255.3_6275_1.48.00.10_108
I am not able to tell others what I dont know but what I do know is the company who produce the version I am messing about with produce internal components and similar to Nokia. The card simply has a code on it with the number 8 at the end. It also works in my Card reader through windows XP. It recognizes it on the laptop too.
Point is that it is 8GB.
I will be glad when I can get a hold of a released version as it may not be the fastest at copying to and from via the PC but it is great to be able to store more films and music.
I meant by pulling you leg, that there are several others from what I can gather who are about to release the 8GB and above over the coming weeks and it may pay you to look further than Sandisk is you are in a hurry.
I fully understood the angle you were trying to explain and realized you meant you were chatting to them as a non consumer.(a potential OEM partner)
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Hmmmm, very interesting.
So it sounds like you have a pre-production piece from whomever. The poeople at Sandisk seemed to indicate that there were some in the hands of the phone OEM's already but they didn't offer any hope of me getting one. The quantity my program needs is in the hundreds, the phone people are talking in the 10's of thousands. I'm just a small **** to them...
Not a bad idea for me to look else where. Maybe Kingston, A-Data or PNY...
Enjoy your 8GB, the rest of us are green with envy...
alylea said:
Hmmmm, very interesting.
So it sounds like you have a pre-production piece from whomever. The poeople at Sandisk seemed to indicate that there were some in the hands of the phone OEM's already but they didn't offer any hope of me getting one. The quantity my program needs is in the hundreds, the phone people are talking in the 10's of thousands. I'm just a small **** to them...
Not a bad idea for me to look else where. Maybe Kingston, A-Data or PNY...
Enjoy your 8GB, the rest of us are green with envy...
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i know i am...and drooling...but am stuck right now whether to get an 8gb pro duo stick for my son's psp....
nicholasendean said:
The code looks like "Be33-f" what ever that means.
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Did you say Beef?!
I just hope the new 8Gb cards wont have a negative impact on the transfer rates.
While you're waiting for your 8GB chips, I've noticed a few online retailers taking pre-orders for 6GB microSDHCs -- at least one says they'll be available as of Aug. 23.
3waygeek said:
While you're waiting for your 8GB chips, I've noticed a few online retailers taking pre-orders for 6GB microSDHCs -- at least one says they'll be available as of Aug. 23.
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Hi 3waygeek,
Thanks for the info. Any idea who those retailers are?
I have a call scheduled with the N.E. rep for Sandisk later today. Maybe he can do something for me.
BLT and PCSuperStore both say they'll have them on the 23rd.
8gb Problems...!!!!
Update on 8GB Micro SD Card.
I have been using an 8GB Micro SD card for a while now and was more than happy with the results. Up until 17th (Fri) everything was fine. But I am adding this post to let others know that the card and phone no longer work together. The point is, I cannot access the card from my Hermes any longer. Its DOES however show up perfectly ok from the Card reader on the PC. Resco Explorer and the MS built in Explorer does NOT pick the card up. I have no idea what is going on. I have reformatted the card and also reinstalled after formating the Hermes the rom I have been using. Nothing has worked. My 4GB card works perfectly ok so it is definitely something to do with the Hermes not being able to work with the 8GB Card.
I'm in a rush so forgive the quick post to the thread. Just adding my notes to anyone who is thinking of going along the same route, as I have concerns now about the 8GB working reliably with the Hermes I have. It may well be the Rom I am using? I am not able to put another rom on my phone at the mo due to other commitments.
Hmmmm...
I too wonder what happened? What ROM are you using? Did you add/delete any apps prior to the problem? Crashes/lockups within 24 hours? Do you reboot every day or ?
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BLT and PCSuperStore both say they'll have them on the 23rd.
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BLT has pushed the date to 9/4.
My connection in the Sandisk OEM group is still talking about Q1 2008 for the 8GB. OEM says that it may become available to the retail channels before OEM gets them.
There is a sample order booked for me @ Sandisk but the ship date is open.
high level manager? - LOL
You spoke to a Rep that claims to be the manager - i know, im in the industry
refering back to my 8GB card problems: I hardly ever needed to reset my Hermes and at most I would say twice a week at the most did it need a kick start or reset.
This is what surprised me about the 8GB card suddenly refusing to work. I have since changed ROms and now have changed from the
1. previous::HERM_DOPODASIA_WWE_3.54.707.3_6275_CustomRUU
2. new:: TNT_2.0_official_6mb
I have tried to use the 8GB with the new rom but alas it still not acknowledged. I have no idea what to make of this as the card DID work and for a good three weeks until it suddenly stopped being picked up by the PDA. However as before it IS working ok as my Dell latitude laptop picks the MicroSD card up every time I insert it into the reader.
Its one of the craziest situations I have come across to date/
Incidentally, on a more positive note: the new TNT rom is the fastest I have ever used. I opted for the official version to save on space and it is great. Still doesn't pick up the card but I give up.
Am sticking with my previous 4GB MicroSD.
I digress........
chingy213 said:
high level manager? - LOL
You spoke to a Rep that claims to be the manager - i know, im in the industry
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Hi Chingy,
Actually, I have been working with the Product Manager, Natl. OEM Sales Manager, and the Eastern Regional OEM Sales Manager for Sandisk in California in addition to the OEM rep company President and salesman for my area.
My emails and phone conversations have been with all of the above so yes, I feel my information is accurate at least from the OEM division standpoint. I was told that the Retail group is a separate entity from the OEM group so in fact they may hit retail sooner but they didn't know anything one way or the other.
Interesting that you are n the industry, drop me a PM and let me know what you do. I'm in IT Security big time, maybe there's synergy here.
QQ; does SD performance degrade over time? I've noticed big media files (~500MB) I save to my SD is taking longer and longer to transfer.
I might also need to reformat my PC, but I wanted to be sure.
Thanks,
Hobbes2099 said:
QQ; does SD performance degrade over time? I've noticed big media files (~500MB) I save to my SD is taking longer and longer to transfer.
I might also need to reformat my PC, but I wanted to be sure.
Thanks,
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SD cards allow a certain number of reads/writes before they start losing performance, it's only normal!
hehe what's up with degradation threads, what's next?
Clean it up.. as SD's fill they become slower.
A back up what you need and format
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hehe what's up with degradation threads, what's next?
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hehehehehe!
It's natural, most of our X10s are now old enough to start showing symptoms
of old age! Geriatrics anyone?
I love it that some people have money to throw at new phones and can replace things at any time.
I have several of my old phones and electronic devices. if you take care of your technology it will take care of you.
It's true.. things do degrade but not after a single year unless you use it aggressively.
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I love it that some people have money to throw at new phones and can replace things at any time.
I have several of my old phones and electronic devices. if you take care of your technology it will take care of you.
It's true.. things do degrade but not after a single year unless you use it aggressively.
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Yeah, I agree.
But it all depends on build quality and especially as far as SD cards
are concerned, some are just faulty from the beginning.
I've noticed that some Transcend ones look like a cheap-knockoff of themselves
(even though I always buy from legitimate stores with physical presence, not from eBay for example)
and gave me problems very soon, had to format them pretty often
to work right. On the opposite side, Kingston seem to be durable and more reliable.
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Yeah, I agree.
But it all depends on build quality and especially as far as SD cards
are concerned, some are just faulty from the beginning.
I've noticed that some Transcend ones look like a cheap-knockoff of themselves
(even though I always buy from legitimate stores with physical presence, not from eBay for example)
and gave me problems very soon, had to format them pretty often
to work right. On the opposite side, Kingston seem to be durable and more reliable.
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So true.. you buy crap you get crap.
In the X10's case you payed for gold but you got silver.
I think the ideal thing to do, like OmegaRED said, is clean the SD up.
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If you cannot backup and format your card, you can move some big files elsewhere, increase the SD Cache amount and run the Windows Defrag (mounting your phone or card in a computer). I'm sure your card will be very faster!
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.... but a full SD is always a slow SD.
Thought I'd post a contrary opinion (based on many of the threads here and on other sites).
I REALLY like my NT! I've come up Handsprings, Palms, Pres, and iPads, so this isn't my first visit to the rodeo. Currently, I've got the NT and a Sprint Evo 3D.
Yes, out of the box there's some gaps, but a bit of time here and other forums have offered suggestions on side-loading, sync'ing my Evo apps, and tweaking the KT. It's not the end-all-and-be-all pad,but for the price, it does well.
The biggest issue I had was the lack of offline media, since I spend 12-15 hours a week in the air. However, a bit of cross-syncing and I've got my Amazon MP3 library and a couple of pretty good media players.
Am I missing things? Well, I'd really like bluetooth for my freedom keyboard and being able to see my side loaded apps from the main launcher would be nice, but at this moment, I'm finding the KT to be a fine investment.
Oh, and I have moved my new media purchases over to BN. I figure tossing them some bucks only encourages them to keep Nook development going.
I'm really happy with mine too. Its super snappy, feels much more polished than the nook color did. Plus I love reading and reading is an absolute pleasure on this thing.
I absolutely adore my NT, granted its my first tablet, but its ridiculous how much i can do with it for the price i paid. Not to mention it hasnt even been rooted yet!
Ok, I have to ask because I keep seeing things go back and forth:
If one could get a NC or NT for the same price (hypothetically), which would they choose? The rooted NC? Or the "upgraded" NT?
I currently have the NC and I can get my gf to get me a NT for christmas bc she wants my NC. Is it worth the trade?
Well, since I haven't found too much I couldn't do without a touch of effort, I'm not feeling the pain of not being able to root. Sure, it may come later, but, yeesh, I've only had the NT for 3 days!!
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Ok, I have to ask because I keep seeing things go back and forth:
If one could get a NC or NT for the same price (hypothetically), which would they choose? The rooted NC? Or the "upgraded" NT?
I currently have the NC and I can get my gf to get me a NT for christmas bc she wants my NC. Is it worth the trade?
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The nook tablet. The difference in speed alone is worth it, the nook color felt underpowered to me even rooted.
Ditto.
On paper, the specs are simply hardware upgrade...this much B&N got it right. In reality, it makes the the device more responsive and more enjoyable user experience. The jerky delay in NC drove me nuts.
I have owned the xoom, asus transformer, galaxy tab 10.1, htc flyer and got rid of them all. The one reason? The tegra 2 processor. These devices were hamstrung in the video playback department, a fundemental functional of a media tablet. The NT plays the same hd media files i couldn't on these high end devices FLAWLESSLY. If you ask me this alone makes the nook tablet worth it.
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My tablet history has been:
Viewsonic Gtab (Awful. Just awful. Don't ever even look at one)
Nook Color (1.1ghz OC and still slow to my tastes)
Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 (The designer of the Tegra 2 should be impaled as punishment)
Nook Tablet (It does what I wanted except run Google stuff)
What I had wanted was to watch 720p shows in bed or plane or between classes. NT has been the only thing that could do that except my phone (SGS Fascinate).
Even without a root ever coming to be and having to deal with sideloading I still think this is the best tablet I have ever owned. And it's made by a damn bookstore >.>
There some flaws but I bought it mainly for browsing the internet. It really excels at that! I have mainly been using dolphin, not the stock browser. Overall I am extremely satisfied with my purchase. I was at Best Buy today and checked out the kindle fire. It was cool but I really didnt like size of it. I have big hands and like how now matter how i hold my nook its always comfortable. The only thing I really want to change is the crappy keyboard
About the not seeing sideloaded apps, I installed go launcher. From there I use a combo of widget locker, Wave launcher(right side of the screen), and button savior( left side of the screen). I also learned to fear the nook button. I havnt seen the stock nook launcher in over a day now.
Drewmungus said:
There some flaws but I bought it mainly for browsing the internet. It really excels at that! I have mainly been using dolphin, not the stock browser. Overall I am extremely satisfied with my purchase. I was at Best Buy today and checked out the kindle fire. It was cool but I really didnt like size of it. I have big hands and like how now matter how i hold my nook its always comfortable. The only thing I really want to change is the crappy keyboard
About the not seeing sideloaded apps, I installed go launcher. From there I use a combo of widget locker, Wave launcher(right side of the screen), and button savior( left side of the screen). I also learned to fear the nook button. I havnt seen the stock nook launcher in over a day now.
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I have noticed that using the n button in certain situations (ex: during video in MX Player, certain games) it acts as a back button. Don't fear the n just treat it like a very "special" friend.
I've driven twice to a B&N store and played with the device. As of right now, I still haven't taken the plunge because of three big reasons:
1) I need a web browser that can let me access an Extranet of my work place, and when I used the NT stock browser, the login page button doesn't even show up as a button, but just a jpeg. I know using the Android stock nameless browser, it isn't a problem at all. So it's a huge issue for me.
2) Even if I can get the web browser issue resolved, I am fearful how B&N has the unilateral ability to update the NT without our consent (unless specifically block B&N incoming traffic), we'll lose the ability to sideload and send us back to stone age. (It wouldn't be an issue if root is accomplished)
3) The 1gb user content space wouldn't an issue if we can root it, but now it seems like a huge deal. (Again, it wouldn't be an issue if root is accomplished)
Are my concerns legitimate? I firmly believe the NT could be huge, but right now, we just need to be patient and let our devs gurus find an exploit, or somehow we can get B&N to loosen up the grip on the bootloader.
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I've driven twice to a B&N store and played with the device. As of right now, I still haven't taken the plunge because of three big reasons:
1) I need a web browser that can let me access an Extranet of my work place, and when I used the NT stock browser, the login page button doesn't even show up as a button, but just a jpeg. I know using the Android stock nameless browser, it isn't a problem at all. So it's a huge issue for me.
2) Even if I can get the web browser issue resolved, I am fearful how B&N has the unilateral ability to update the NT without our consent (unless specifically block B&N incoming traffic), we'll lose the ability to sideload and send us back to stone age. (It wouldn't be an issue if root is accomplished)
3) The 1gb user content space wouldn't an issue if we can root it, but now it seems like a huge deal. (Again, it wouldn't be an issue if root is accomplished)
Are my concerns legitimate? I firmly believe the NT could be huge, but right now, we just need to be patient and let our devs gurus find an exploit, or somehow we can get B&N to loosen up the grip on the bootloader.
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Well, issue 2 is definitely legitimate. Issue 1, just go to the store and install dolphin on one of their nooks, see if you can login to work.
Issue 3, if the rumors are true that they will be able to repartition the space in a week or so then, well, not an issue.
if the nook tablets bootloader is truly locked, then say good bye to ever, ever seeing a beautiful custom kernel on the nook tablet to perform tweaks such as overclocking. This also makes it difficult to create custom roms. cyanogenmod 7 is a possibility with 2nd init. cyanogenmod 9 is also a possibility, but unless official ics is dished out to the nook tablet, then we will get cyanogenmod 9 2nd init with gingerbread libs.. Someone should send a rather nasty note to barnes & noble about this.
Re: 1GB usable - It's a legitimate support issue. You (and everyone concerned) should call support and light a fire.
Front-line grunts won't be able to help you (a good thing), so ask to escalate it to as high as you can go. Your first response will be to get the tech's name. Your last response will be, "I'm sorry you can't help me with this issue. Please refer me to someone who can. If no other tech is available, please let me speak to your manager."
Don't get discouraged if you get blown off or hit a dead-end. Redial and retry. Social engineering is about patience and persistence. Always be polite, but firm.
Once you get to someone who knows his bits and bytes, then soften your tone and get friendly. Talk shop. Use the occasion to ask about other techy things, like, eh, locked bootloader. Get whatever info you can, including the dude's extension number so you can call him back.
The strategy is to leverage a legitimate support issue to get info about the things you really want to know. To do that, you'll have to troll their support services, and have some social engineering skill. It's probably best done in a team, but you can be the Lone Ranger if you're good.
BTW, techsupps have scripts, and you should have one as well. Plan everything you want to say in advance, and type them out.
Anyway, at the very least, you will get the 1GB issue logged and escalated.
I honestly don't think they're going to bother blocking this loophole. There's really nothing in it for them but bad press. Currently they can sell a tablet to regular folks, while at the same time offering a tablet that's also appealing to techie types (but without having to advertise it). There's really no advantage in blocking the loophole.
Also I'm wondering: is there NO way to block updates from Barnes and Noble? No way to tell the device to notify before actually updating? I understand that B&N will push out updates without any warning, but isn't there a way that WE can decide to accept them or not? Or is it really just totally out of our hands?
to whooever it was who thought the HTC flyer was running a tegra 2: it's not. It's a 1.5 ghz single core.
So far, the t2 seems fine in conjunction with mx video player and the software decode on the things I've tried it on. but I'm not mostly using a tablet for video, so the fact that a PAL formatted disc image I have makes trouble is ok by me. I will say, though, that the single core chip in the Samsung media player seems faster than the t2 or the (admittedly brief) run I took at an NT this evening. I didn't walk out of BN needing desperately to replace my NC, though - manual nooter, 1.1 ghz kernel, seemed relatively comparable to what I saw, but I wasn't ready to actually test carefully.
The NT is rooted as of today, via zergrush. This should make it possible to redo the partitioning. The bootloader's another issue; I don't know if anyone has tried looking at putting the little guy into fastboot and seeing if oem unlock is an accepted command. It may be. Unlocking it may turn off Netflix support, but it should open up avenues for complete custom ROMs.
On blocking OTA updates: probably fairly simple. D/l the OTA and look at the build id strings in build.prop. Update build.prop on your device accordingly. I've blocked the 1.3 update this way, and it works great.
It will probably not work cleanly for blocking the 1.4 update, though, if that's a Gingerbread update, since to get the block you probably have to tell the device not just that it's running the current BN build, but that it's also running a Gingerbread vintage OS - but I don't know about that.
There are some sqlite hacks for blocking updates as well - setting an autoupdate flag to "false," basically. I'm not sure how well they work, but blocking the update is always a topic of discussion immediately after one's released and no one's figured out how easy it is to pop yet
My real question on the NT is whether it contains a complete recovery image. Very few Android devices are as idiot-proof as the NC. Most of the "recovery" modes I've seen don't offer the ability to return the device to a true stock state. The NC, at least, is fully recoverable.
To me, that makes the NC one of the most useful Android platforms out there, and if the NT can't do that, then it's not really much of an upgrade for me -- I screw things up. Often. Badly.
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My real question on the NT is whether it contains a complete recovery image. Very few Android devices are as idiot-proof as the NC. Most of the "recovery" modes I've seen don't offer the ability to return the device to a true stock state. The NC, at least, is fully recoverable.
To me, that makes the NC one of the most useful Android platforms out there, and if the NT can't do that, then it's not really much of an upgrade for me -- I screw things up. Often. Badly.
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I'm fairly certain that it does have a full recovery image imbedded somewhere. Yesterday I tried in stalling Chainfire (which apparently messes with the filesystem) in order to get full access to the GPU and fool the market, making all apps show up. After installing it, which required a reboot, my NT went into a boot-loop. I could not power it off and with no recovery available I thought I was toast and out of $260. However, after many (10?) failed boots it automatically went into Factory Reset mode and did a complete wipe.
I'm not sure how deep of a tailspin this recovery can get you out of but there is definitely a safety net there.
I have to agree with the OP. I am very happy with my NT. It is very snappy and with the ability to sideload apps I have been able to fill in what I feel was missing. Battery life on this is very good. I did buy this hoping I could boot off an sd card, but if it ends up not possible I will still be pleased with my investment.
Well, it's lunch time so I thought I would take a minute to update everyone on my thread "I F'ed Up!' thread in Q&A. The Photon is back to purely stock, no root, no unlock, notta. I got most of my app's back (I will explain that later!).
Several months ago, I rooted and unlocked the Photon. Over that time, I have had several issues, off and on, that required reboots, battery removal, freezing, ect. that required me to come here for advice and help. After watching several of QBKINGS videos, I decided to go with CW7 and see what all the hype was about.
Things went terribley wrong!!!! (Thanks to all that helped me fix it, you will hear from me soon!) After 1.5 days without a phone, and knowing every which way exactly HOW to fix it, I was sitting down last night and give this one more go. Looking around, I noticed (as I did the first time?), some of the links don't work, some of the videos I had no clue WHAT page I was actually looking at, just said scroll down (Nice videos, I just did not get it?), some were re-directed to other sites. I work in IT, been doing it since 1983. I'm all for Development and embrace progress. Then it hit me? "Why do you want to root, unlock, flash anyway?" Really?
I started planning on this phone 2 months before it came out. It was, and still is, the best "Business" phone on the market just like it is. I use my phone for too much sh*t as it is (too long to list) and 30 minutes without it, expecially job wise, is a riks I cannot take again. So I choose to leave it stock and get back to the basics (Planning on getting a Samsung Galaxy Note anyway)
As I was putting all my app's back, a few things I noticed that may be of help to some of you. #1 and the biggest of all, some of the apps were no longer support on my phone, which likely caused most of my issues anyway. Putting my Apps back, 85% of that sh*t I used ONCE and forgot I had it. I got it because someone else thought it was cool for THEIR needs.
#2. (and I know I will hear an earfull on this), The phone is perfect just the way it is, functionally wise? You want your phone to look different, get another wallpaper! You want unlocked bootloader, Motorola never promised us one! Everyone wants ICS, They never promised you that either, we purchased it that way. We complain about the camera, 8MP is, more or less, Studio quality unless your a Pro and want to blow it up! If so, get a Digital SLR (hell, I was happy with my 3MP HTC Fuze!)I love the 2 threads where Sprint cancelled their contract over Data, then they admitted downloading Torrants. READ THE CONTRACT!!! 4G? I have used it twice in the 1.5 years its been out, 3G loads my web pages OK, every now and then YouTube sputters, so what, so does my laptop!
Personally, Photon is running better than it has in months! So, I'm going to leave it how it is, and better understand and work the functions it already has! He**, even my BT's are working better with Pandora not dropping and me able to answer calls. The only other money I'm spending (and I really don't need it!) is the SanDisk Mobile Ultra 64Gb Micro SDHC I!
I will still be here with jokes and to get knowledge, but not touching "Neo" until a month after Note comes out, then I will pack him up for good!
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Well, it's lunch time so I thought I would take a minute to update everyone on my thread "I F'ed Up!' thread in Q&A. The Photon is back to purely stock, no root, no unlock, notta. I got most of my app's back (I will explain that later!).
Several months ago, I rooted and unlocked the Photon. Over that time, I have had several issues, off and on, that required reboots, battery removal, freezing, ect. that required me to come here for advice and help. After watching several of QBKINGS videos, I decided to go with CW7 and see what all the hype was about.
Things went terribley wrong!!!! (Thanks to all that helped me fix it, you will hear from me soon!) After 1.5 days without a phone, and knowing every which way exactly HOW to fix it, I was sitting down last night and give this one more go. Looking around, I noticed (as I did the first time?), some of the links don't work, some of the videos I had no clue WHAT page I was actually looking at, just said scroll down (Nice videos, I just did not get it?), some were re-directed to other sites. I work in IT, been doing it since 1983. I'm all for Development and embrace progress. Then it hit me? "Why do you want to root, unlock, flash anyway?" Really?
I started planning on this phone 2 months before it came out. It was, and still is, the best "Business" phone on the market just like it is. I use my phone for too much sh*t as it is (too long to list) and 30 minutes without it, expecially job wise, is a riks I cannot take again. So I choose to leave it stock and get back to the basics (Planning on getting a Samsung Galaxy Note anyway)
As I was putting all my app's back, a few things I noticed that may be of help to some of you. #1 and the biggest of all, some of the apps were no longer support on my phone, which likely caused most of my issues anyway. Putting my Apps back, 85% of that sh*t I used ONCE and forgot I had it. I got it because someone else thought it was cool for THEIR needs.
#2. (and I know I will hear an earfull on this), The phone is perfect just the way it is, functionally wise? You want your phone to look different, get another wallpaper! You want unlocked bootloader, Motorola never promised us one! Everyone wants ICS, They never promised you that either, we purchased it that way. We complain about the camera, 8MP is, more or less, Studio quality unless your a Pro and want to blow it up! If so, get a Digital SLR (hell, I was happy with my 3MP HTC Fuze!)I love the 2 threads where Sprint cancelled their contract over Data, then they admitted downloading Torrants. READ THE CONTRACT!!! 4G? I have used it twice in the 1.5 years its been out, 3G loads my web pages OK, every now and then YouTube sputters, so what, so does my laptop!
Personally, Photon is running better than it has in months! So, I'm going to leave it how it is, and better understand and work the functions it already has! He**, even my BT's are working better with Pandora not dropping and me able to answer calls. The only other money I'm spending (and I really don't need it!) is the SanDisk Mobile Ultra 64Gb Micro SDHC I!
I will still be here with jokes and to get knowledge, but not touching "Neo" until a month after Note comes out, then I will pack him up for good!
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Congrats?
My phone works great with 7.2 put it on the day i got it the next day i was skeptical and went back to stock was there for 2/3 of the day and went back to rocco then 7.2 after last update really havent had any problems except for zumocast for some reason.
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My phone works great with 7.2 put it on the day i got it the next day i was skeptical and went back to stock was there for 2/3 of the day and went back to rocco then 7.2 after last update really havent had any problems except for zumocast for some reason.
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Funny you mention ZumoCast, FIRST thing I went for when I got back. It was offline, went on computer, logged off/on, back to Photon, Online! All my music, movies, documents...........Nice! The only thing bad about ZumoCast, at this time, it only supports music playlist in iTunes (odd to me?) BUT...........Google Music, with its 20,000 limit, does support Playlist! Checked this AM and I had moved 12,000 of the 14,500 I requested. I have well over 130Gb of music and did not want to press my limit, so I picked my fav's and will shuffel them as time goes!.
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Don't know what your buying SD card for, assuming a cell phone.. But the Photon(and most others i think) wont support anything over a 32gig. Just a FYI. Glad you got your phone up and running again!
I came from the Evo and the Photon is by far a superior phone. My Photon is rooted, themed, and backed up using bootstrap. I've removed some of the Motorola junk and I experience no force closes or random reboots. I also don't have alot of useless apps running in the background either.
What you do with, and to your phone is directly related to how it works.
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Don't know what your buying SD card for, assuming a cell phone.. But the Photon(and most others i think) wont support anything over a 32gig. Just a FYI. Glad you got your phone up and running again!
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I had my doubts also but link has pictures. You have to format to slower FAT32 (Or NTFS) which is 7Mb compared to exFAT claimed 30.........Check out second link, post #12!
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Mobil...UTF8&coliid=ILKNEJIM6E46D&colid=3EHUWCW36Z6IQ
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1473010&highlight=64gb&page=2
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I had my doubts also but link has pictures. You have to format to slower FAT32 (Or NTFS) which is 7Mb compared to exFAT claimed 30.........Check out second link, post #12!
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Mobil...UTF8&coliid=ILKNEJIM6E46D&colid=3EHUWCW36Z6IQ
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1473010&highlight=64gb&page=2
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Well i stand corrected, learn new things everyday lol cool find!
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Well i stand corrected, learn new things everyday lol cool find!
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You? Do you know how much reading I did only to come back here to get shot down? (Several times at that?)Trust me, I got a lesson!
Let me start this by saying I LOVE the Nexus 10. It's the most comfortable tablet I've used and the screen is just phenomenal, aside from that, the random reboots are really dragging down the experience. I'm sure there still have to be people having these issues, and what are you doing to combat/keep the tablet from rebooting? I've factory reset my device probably 5 times since my purchase in January, and have installed a few ROMs to try and stop them to no avail. I'm currently running CM10.1 with KTManta and are still having crashes daily, if not every 3-4 hours of heavy use. Location services are disabled, and Chrome is nowhere to be found. How many here are still having these issues? I'm just trying to grab a realistic number here for the community. Would those who are having freezes and reboots like to contribute to a global list where we could possibly list all of the applications that we use to see if there is a common ground amongst us? I just hate that this awesome tablet is being placed on the back burner for now with what would appear like no indication of upcoming fixes. I'm sure IO will bring us a more stable version of Android (4.2.2 is pretty awful) but that's still quite a bit away.
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There are two awesome threads that this is being discussed on, one is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998496 the other is a Google thread referenced in that same discussion.
I may have had a comepletely different problem, but a RMA made my N10 go from bad to good experience
Been running 4.2.2 official AOKP with default kernel for the last couple weeks and haven't had 1 freeze/reboot. Battery great also with around 7-8 hours of screen time.
4.2.2 was a huge improvement
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I am currently on a CM10 base and KTManta kernel and I have no reboots or other problems at all. I had been on AOKP PUB for quite a while before this and it was fine too, and before that I was on a really old build of CM10 (4.2.1) for a long time with only a couple issues due to memory leaks that caused a reboot once every few days.
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There are two awesome threads that this is being discussed on, one is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998496 the other is a Google thread referenced in that same discussion.
I may have had a comely different problem, but a RMA made my N10 go from bad to good experience
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Your second device isn't rebooting?
Edit: To OP. I gave up combatting it. Nothing seems to work. It could be an app but when it reboots sometimes every few days that would be hard to troubleshoot. I can swap an app list with you if you want although it may be more beneficial to see those the apps of those with no issues so you could have a starting point?
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I own this device for ~4 weeks now and I haven't had a single reboot, freeze or anything.
Of course I understand that not everybody is this lucky, so I feel sad for you guys but it seems to be more hardware reliant than anything with newer devices not experiencing many problems.
I experienced several reboots a day when I first received my Nexus 10. It was frustrating to use at best. Since the 4.2.2 (I'm running stock with root) upgrade and switching to Chrome beta I no longer have any reboot problems with the same device. I am now able to turn on location awareness without lockups or reboots as well. It's a complete 180.
My wife just bought her own Nexus 10 and hers has never locked up or rebooted spontaneously. Hers is stock, unrooted, and she uses non-beta Chrome.
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It is not.
I mentioned it in another thread, but I prefer to charge a units battery 100% full, then run the unit unitl it turns its self off from dead battery. The first two "cycles" on my RMA unit I did that, no problems during either cycle, each cycle was three days long. So then I started to charge it when the battery said 1%, and now I'm up to 302 hours of uptime. There have been no shell reboots during this 302 hours, as I've always been sure to leave an app in "recently used" and its always still there. I've also been using things that previously I would not have, such as Maps, apps that run message in status bar such as "Date In Status Bar HD" etc etc.
But full tech-slanted disclaimer because I know the history of this problem:
-My problem on my original unit 99.9% of the time manifested its self as "sleep of death", a bit different than "the masses"
-On my RMA unit, I've never opened Chrome. Not because I am wanting to use it but avoiding it, rather I only ever want to use one browser per device, and since I need to use Boat for Flash, I run Boat instead
-Similarly, I have not done anything "trying to force a crash" on the unit. For example, I've not run that crash app that dude just posted to the Google thread
-Again related to my personality/thought process: My goal has been "just use the tablet as I normally would" so that DOES include things like surfing the web on Boat for 3 hours at a time, running some lame match-3 games, etc etc. I am NOT sitting in a class all day with the unit open for 8 hour stints, nor am I watching YouTube for hours at a time, nor am I taking 1 hour video recordings on the device. So moderate use, but not "stress testing" use.
Still, the summary of my experience says it all (for me) - Could not consider the original unit dependable in anyway, it almost always was "off" if it was sitting on my desk, whereas now the new unit has not had a single event and I'm about one month into it, every day use... Original unit I noticed the problem within the first 3 days of ownership, but I thought there was a setting I had wrong, then I thought it was a problem that 4.2.2 would fix - both those assessments of my original device were wrong.
One more data point on this - My new unit is the D serial number, my original was the C - but another user here described the EXACT same crap I was dealing with, and his was a D - so I don't think there is an exact match for the possible theory of serial numbers (again in the context of sleep-of-death-manifestation.)
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~bm
I've not had one single reboot or freeze with this tablet, I'm on the stock 4.2.2. I have had some apps crash which brings me to my next point... How do your log cats look? They are usually a good starting point when trying to figure out the cause of a crash.
And if you are getting multiple reboots across a spread of roms than it's most likely an app. You need to take the time and figure out which app is causing it. It will be worth it in the long run!
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I mentioned it in another thread, but I prefer to charge a units battery 100% full, then run the unit unitl it turns its self off from dead battery.
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You do that every time? That's not good and definitely not needed with lithium ion batteries.
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I've not had one single reboot or freeze with this tablet, I'm on the stock 4.2.2. I have had some apps crash which brings me to my next point... How do your log cats look? They are usually a good starting point when trying to figure out the cause of a crash.
And if you are getting multiple reboots across a spread of roms than it's most likely an app....
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I think that is the point for the OP but nobody is doing it. Can you guys with no reboots list the apps on your device? That would give the people with reboots a starting point.
I appreciate the input to the thread but (I'll probably get flamed for this) many of the anecdotal responses are not of much value IMHO. You can't really start any troubleshooting with and not trying to single anyone out, 4.2.2 fixed it, my RMA'd device fixed it, beta-chrome works for me, non-beta for the wife, it's hardware, newer ones are better, turn off location services, etc. I have an RMA'd device so it is newer than the first batch. To that point, there is a guy in the thread bigmatty linked where the device is 8 days old. Is it an app? I hope so but with the infrequency of the reboots or seemingly randomness of it it is hard to troubleshoot. AOKP ran for 2 days 9 hours for me then crashed, then crashed again in 5 hours, and now up for 2 days again so far. The thing is they were all when idle so it is really hard to say what happened. One of my logs suggests gtalk loosing connection and rebooting the tablet. The other says nothing "illegal" or anything like that in the logs. Just the activity manager freaks out like every other log and then watchdog kills everything.
So, you guys with perfect N10s why don't you give us an app list so us poor bastards with reboots have a starting point....please
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I think that is the point for the OP but nobody is doing it. Can you guys with no reboots list the apps on your device? That would give the people with reboots a starting point.
So, you guys with perfect N10s why don't you give us an app list so us poor bastards with reboots have a starting point....please
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Look, that's not how troubleshooting works. The easiest and most efficient way is to reset your roms, add one or two apps a day, and keep adding apps till you find the problem. Patience is the key. But once you find the problem you'll be very pleased. Me or anyone else listing apps on our devices will not be meaningful to the problem because you're looking for apps that work, you're looking for ones that don't.
Your starting point is a ROM with no apps.
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You do that every time? That's not good and definitely not needed with lithium ion batteries.
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Well, I've personally done a lot of research into this topic, and no one will ever convince me any other method is as good for the batteries as it is. I've seen the battery discussions on both sides drag on for miles, so not worth discussing really. Just IMHO - ALL batteries can still suffer from memory effect. (Again, seen both sides of that discussion.)
I agree w/ the "top-level-general uncertainty" about these devices and thus the inherent frustrating complexities that rxnelson is talking about. My general opinion on the situation, is - if nothing else, there are some truly defective units in the field now, which further complicates the issue/troubleshooting.
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Look, that's not how troubleshooting works. The easiest and most efficient way is to reset your roms, add one or two apps a day, and keep adding apps till you find the problem. Patience is the key. But once you find the problem you'll be very pleased. Me or anyone else listing apps on our devices will not be meaningful to the problem because you're looking for apps that work, you're looking for ones that don't.
Your starting point is a ROM with no apps.
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Yea...well that is probably not going to happen for most people. Even at 10 apps 2 days per app you are looking at almost a month of troubleshooting. Most people aren't going to do that. There is also nothing to say that your bad app didn't cause an issue in 2 days but 4 instead you will be thinking the wrong app caused the issue. Anyway it was what the OP asked for so also trying to stay on topic.
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Yea...well that is probably not going to happen for most people. Even at 10 apps 2 days per app you are looking at almost a month of troubleshooting. Most people aren't going to do that. There is also nothing to say that your bad app didn't cause an issue in 2 days but 4 instead you will be thinking the wrong app caused the issue. Anyway it was what the OP asked for so also trying to stay on topic.
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Yeah I hear you man. When I was in the cell phone business as much as I love android I hated selling android phones because people go app crazy and install whatever they can find. Then they come back the next day because their phone isn't working properly. Lol.
But honestly, how many different apps do you use on a typical day? And let's put games and other non productive apps aside. So for troubleshooting purposes start with the apps you really, truly, honestly NEED and see if you still get issues.
This really becomes a circular discussion. Its the same as the original links I was referencing. Mods are just humoring us by not merging...
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Well, I've personally done a lot of research into this topic, and no one will ever convince me any other method is as good for the batteries as it is. I've seen the battery discussions on both sides drag on for miles, so not worth discussing really. Just IMHO - ALL batteries can still suffer from memory effect. (Again, seen both sides of that discussion.)
I agree w/ the "top-level-general uncertainty" about these devices and thus the inherent frustrating complexities that rxnelson is talking about. My general opinion on the situation, is - if nothing else, there are some truly defective units in the field now, which further complicates the issue/troubleshooting.
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I'd invite you to do some more research into the topic, check this out: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries It's a great site for real battery information.
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Yeah I hear you man. When I was in the cell phone business as much as I love android I hated selling android phones because people go app crazy and install whatever they can find. Then they come back the next day because their phone isn't working properly. Lol.
But honestly, how many different apps do you use on a typical day? And let's put games and other non productive apps aside. So for troubleshooting purposes start with the apps you really, truly, honestly NEED and see if you still get issues.
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I hear you as well. To be honest I'm just kind of done with troubleshooting. I've had a rebooting device since November. I'm just looking for a base to start with I guess. Kind of like at work. We have 10-15 core apps we install and test on a PC. When they are tested we make an image and blast that to the other devices. If 19 of 20 of the PCs work then we re-image the one. If that doesn't work it almost isn't worth the trouble shooting as we have 20 more that need imaged. Most of the time they chalk it up to hardware send it to the PC techs and move on. If I get bored I'll reflash....and yes honestly I don't use that many apps but it is still kind of a kick in the balls that you have to baby the device. I still think there is something generally wrong with the I/O of the two devices I've had. If I do a restore all apps and I mess with the tablet while it is downloading and installing all those apps they were both almost guaranteed to reboot.
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I'd invite you to do some more research into the topic, check this out: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries It's a great site for real battery information.
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:cyclops: I've read it all and done my own tests that span years... Even talked with former battery engineers about the topics and theories. My method always leaves my devices "more charged longer". Like I said, seen this battery topic drag on endlessly...
bigmatty said:
This really becomes a circular discussion. Its the same as the original links I was referencing. Mods are just humoring us by not merging...
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So where is that app list?
rxnelson said:
I hear you as well. To be honest I'm just kind of done with troubleshooting. I've had a rebooting device since November. IAt the very least,'m just looking for a base to start with I guess. Kind of like at work. We have 10-15 core apps we install and test on a PC. When they areexpressly increasingxotically increStillasing the oddse tested we make an image and blast that to the other devices. If 19 of 20 of the PCs work then we re-image the one. If that doesn't work it almost isn't worth the trouble shooting as we have 20 more that need imaged. Most of the time they chalk it up to hardware send it to the PC techs and move on. If I get bored I'll reflash....and yes honestly I don't use that many apps but it is still kind of a kick in the balls that you have to baby the device. I still think there is something generally wrong with the I/O of the two devices I've had. If I do a restore all apps and I mess with the tablet while it is downloading and installing all those apps they were both almost guaranteed to reboot.
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The odds seem so impossible that you personally would have got two defective devices, but clearly you have the tech chops to give a good assessment to the situation - I would love to see your experience with a third device... Just because each different physical device you test would keep exponentially increasing the odds.
A couple of the others who seem real in tune to this issue, I think have a hard or impossible return/RMA path, so I feel like it's an option not being that exhausted yet.
Well, I don't know that I am off much more help on this topic in general. I watched it so intensely for a couple months so its still got my interest. At the very least, guessing all the talks cab start again after klp is released!
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rxnelson said:
So where is that app list?
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I'll do this for you later today. Like I was saying, I think you are Not crazy :highfive: