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I am wondering given that this device just got honeycomb.. is there any chance of it getting ICS?
Part of the reason I'm wondering is because I am getting my flyer sometime between the 10th and the 17th coming up according to the "estimated delivery date" when I hit buy.
I have had ICS on my captivate before I ever even got to play with Honeycomb.. my mom got the transformer yesterday.. and there are a few minor quirks with honeycomb that I really don't like.. major example being if you pull up the task manager in ICS you can remove windows and close out the programs.. Honeycomb will pull up windows that aren't open.. and it gets cluttered fast if your done with something and seeing 5 or more windows you don't want open, but can't get rid of..
no sign of ICS anytime soon but maybe if kernel source is released and CM9 development someone will port it here. In regards to the task management, yes it can get cluttered but it is better than not having it at all like gingerbread
I'm hoping they'll have the decency to update us or at least release the source code required...
IANAL, but I believe HTC legally has to release the kernel source for anything it releases. If they never release ICS, we may never get a kernel for ICS.
Honeycomb kernel might work, but I'm not sure if HTC is legally required to release honeycomb kernel source.
As far as I am aware, they did/may have use some proprietary software which would screw up our porting efforts.
So it becomes an issue of "will they" and that is what I am wondering.
Personally I don't think we will ever see ICS on the Flyer. Here are my reasons:
1. Not a lot of Flyers were sold so there is not a large user base. Thus, there is not much developer interest.
2. Sense - From what I understand from what developers have said, the kernels that HTC makes are made to work with Sense and will not work with an AOSP build.
These two things combine to make bringing ICS to the Flyer difficult and there is no one around who appears willing to do it.
I really hope that I am wrong about this but I don't think that I am.
Someone want to educate a noob?
How is it that several other devices (including HTC ones, like the Sensation) are getting ICS ports, but the Flyer/View can't? I mean, it seems unlikely that HTC released AOSP kernel sources for other devices, and even if they did, they're certainly not ICS kernels. Why is it so important for us to have an AOSP kernel (and an ICS one, at that) from HTC in order to get CM on the Flyer/View?
Oh, and then there's devices that didn't even have Android like the TouchPad, and devices that don't have their source code released, like the Kindle Fire.
I'm definitely not a developer, so I'm sure there's something I'm missing...I'm just trying to figure out what it is.
I'm repeating what developers told me or wrote here. I don't know if it is right or wrong.
I think the bottom line is that it is easier to have an AOSP kernel.
I think you can build your own kernel but that is much more work and maybe a hard thing to do.
All of the custom ROMs that we have seen for the Flyer are just modified HTC ROMs that come with certain software preinstalled or other kinds of enhancements.
More popular devices have much more developer interest. I would imagine that some less popular device owners get lucky because some developer also owns the device and is willing to spend the time.
So far, one developer said he would try to bring ICS to Flyer. He tried but gave up because of kernel issues. I don't get the impression that he did too much but at least he gave it a go. No other developer has said anything one way or the other.
I'm not holding my breath..
but, I definitely won't give up hope just yet..
The most likely path would be a port of another HTC device that uses the same processor or very similar. SO when some of the other HTC devices are released with ICS around March or so, we might see some goodness, depends on how close the hardware is and if HTC releases some source code.
DigitalMD said:
The most likely path would be a port of another HTC device that uses the same processor or very similar. SO when some of the other HTC devices are released with ICS around March or so, we might see some goodness, depends on how close the hardware is and if HTC releases some source code.
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Makes sense to me.
Shame this device hasn't received more attention.
DigitalMD said:
The most likely path would be a port of another HTC device that uses the same processor or very similar. SO when some of the other HTC devices are released with ICS around March or so, we might see some goodness, depends on how close the hardware is and if HTC releases some source code.
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This is correct and likely the only way we see ICS in a timely manner.
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https://plus.google.com/105502178297258827378/posts/PxQ6cVjVdUd
dingnecros said:
https://plus.google.com/105502178297258827378/posts/PxQ6cVjVdUd
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He's been debunked several times.
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So I guess the big question as far as an official update goes.. is how much effort would HTC have to put out in order to do the upgrade...
And will it be worth it for them to do so..
I guess the pen is the biggest issue prevent the ICS update
Since it only works in Sense ROM, so even we have a perfect CM9, the pen function is wasted
ytwytw said:
I guess the pen is the biggest issue prevent the ICS update
Since it only works in Sense ROM, so even we have a perfect CM9, the pen function is wasted
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Would it be possible to take the pen code from honeycomb and implement it in CM9?
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I guess the pen is the biggest issue prevent the ICS update
Since it only works in Sense ROM, so even we have a perfect CM9, the pen function is wasted
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I'd be content with an AOSP rom now, with the pen worked in later.
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We will see... if any devs are willing, I am sure as heck willing to help and take a crack at it myself..
You can't do AOSP without HTC's help for the kernel and drivers and since HTC only does sense kernels I'm thinking that's not going to happen. I still think a port of an HTC ICS ROM from another device is the most likely path, unless HTC is feeling exceptionally benevolent toward the Flyer. Perhaps the Jetstream tablet will get ICS and that can be ported...
Does anyone know the current status of ICS development for Amaze? Contemplating switching from Sensation, which is just at the doorstep of getting pure AOSP ICS, currently few minor bugs to be worked out. Just wondering how far development has gone, perhaps at other sites?
Xboarder is doing a ton of the work here and as far as I know he is the one working on it. I believe his latest thought was porting it from another device but so far all we have had is a functional touchscreen.
craigtut said:
Xboarder is doing a ton of the work here and as far as I know he is the one working on it. I believe his latest thought was porting it from another device but so far all we have had is a functional touchscreen.
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Similar stuff going on @ sensation - Tripnraver is doing awesome work @ Modaco. I had tried his pure AOSP ICS rom and it's almost ready, save camera and bt, and I can't believe how amazingly fast and snappy it was. Not my daily driver yet, but mighty close.
I guess I should be expecting similar time frame from xboarder (i used one of his CM7 based roms on sensation).
I'll raise a toast to our first successful developer, and send them some beer change, too They all deserve much for their hard work.
Here's the thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1378294
The last post from him says he is working on something else currently.
XOOM got ICS port right now, with everything working well (except face unlock, but hey...)
does that mean anything for us Flyer/View-owners? is it possible to port it to our tablet?
would love ics on the flyer
EDIT: Link: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/highly-functioning-cm9-kang-released-for-the-xoom/
what does it mean to us? That the xoom got an ics port, nothing more or less.
Different hardware types and kernels mean xoom with ics is meaningless to us.
My guess is he was asking if there was a way to port it and mod it to work. What we really need to hope for of CM9.x to arrive that will support the Flyer/Evo View.
Snow_fox said:
what does it mean to us? That the xoom got an ics port, nothing more or less.
Different hardware types and kernels mean xoom with ics is meaningless to us.
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hahha somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed, or are you always this negative? haha relax
im not stupid, i know that its a diffrent tablet, but this kinds of ports are being done almost daily.
as this fella mentioned, i was thinking of a mod, to get it to work.
He's not being grouchy, just straight forward. You cannot port a ROM complied for a completely different family of hardware and get it to function in any conceivable fashion. You'd be better off with a SDK build of ICS which would possibly boot if you hacked in a boot image, but none of the HTC specific hardware like camera, BT or video would function. There are already efforts underway to build ICS ROMs. Since ICS is built on top of HC, we have most of the pieces to build a vanilla ROM (no HTC Sense). Once HTC comes out with a working HTC device ICS ROM on hardware that is similar to the Flyer (yes some of their phones use similar hardware) that will be the port we want for ICS /Sense Roms.
I would love to have ICS on this device. Considering how much dev interest the blowout sales have generated I think its possible. But I am not going to how my breathe. I have a galaxy nexus but my evo view is still my primary device due to its pen and large screen. My wishlist for the next iteration of this device is: lighter, ICS, sprint 4g LTE in that exact order
Hopefully the fire sales have pushed HTC to keep going.
psijac said:
I would love to have ICS on this device. Considering how much dev interest the blowout sales have generated I think its possible. But I am not going to how my breathe. I have a galaxy nexus but my evo view is still my primary device due to its pen and large screen. My wishlist for the next iteration of this device is: lighter, ICS, sprint 4g LTE in that exact order
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Reading about ICS on Prime on engadget has made me interested in ICS as well.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/10/hands-on-with-ice-cream-sandwich-on-asus-transformer-prime/
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He's not being grouchy, just straight forward. You cannot port a ROM complied for a completely different family of hardware and get it to function in any conceivable fashion. You'd be better off with a SDK build of ICS which would possibly boot if you hacked in a boot image, but none of the HTC specific hardware like camera, BT or video would function. There are already efforts underway to build ICS ROMs. Since ICS is built on top of HC, we have most of the pieces to build a vanilla ROM (no HTC Sense). Once HTC comes out with a working HTC device ICS ROM on hardware that is similar to the Flyer (yes some of their phones use similar hardware) that will be the port we want for ICS /Sense Roms.
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yeah i know, but since ive seen others with ics, that made me a bit inpaitient
htc sensation got the ics leaked, and maybe someone can start by playing with that one.
and i dont really care if its manilla or sense, both will do good dont think flyer/view will be getting any ICS official soon, since HC just was released.
if i seemed grouchy, it may be because I am a comp sci major with aspirations of being a software engineer. I view the question as either yes or no and then explain the logic why not. No intentions of rudeness, but I tend to assume I'm talking to ppl with similar backgrounds... At least on the net anyway.
Wooow...okey then...my bad! I should know better..
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We are keeping an eye on the HTC Sensation leak. Right now there are 2 or 3 pages of things that don't work and of course its a different radio and HBOOT. So its a ways out from being useful as a port other than a novelty. By that I mean you might get something to boot, but none of the hardware functions like camera and touch screen would work.
May want to wait for something more stable to port..sounds more like a way to brick a flyer than a novelty.
How much difference is there between sensation and flyer? Also is the radio relevant for the WiFi flyer.
I keep forgetting the are 3g versions of the flyer.
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We are keeping an eye on the HTC Sensation leak. Right now there are 2 or 3 pages of things that don't work and of course its a different radio and HBOOT. So its a ways out from being useful as a port other than a novelty. By that I mean you might get something to boot, but none of the hardware functions like camera and touch screen would work.
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ok, sounds good though!
whats the chances of a HC/ICS mix then, do you know? i mean, using what might be working in ICS (the best of it) combined with the useabilities of the HC.
*modding is not my area, as you might understand by now*
loni90 said:
ok, sounds good though!
whats the chances of a HC/ICS mix then, do you know? i mean, using what might be working in ICS (the best of it) combined with the useabilities of the HC.
*modding is not my area, as you might understand by now*
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Snow_fox said:
May want to wait for something more stable to port..sounds more like a way to brick a flyer than a novelty.
How much difference is there between sensation and flyer? Also is the radio relevant for the WiFi flyer.
I keep forgetting the are 3g versions of the flyer.
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1. ICS is built on top of HC so we already have most of the ICS GUI. Google is already moving some of the ICS features into individual apps like the updated Google Search.
2. Radio is always relevant because it controls GPS, Wifi , and BT in addition to 3g.
to all the devs first of all thank you for your hard work. i know it takes time and time to build a nice not buggy rom and kernel,
and i know its hard cause of the lack of the wifi drivers and not having s-off, and i appreciate on staying with the amaze and not given up.
i know there are not many devs and i know working together can do more.
i was wondering if are there any thoughts on working on others roms
i know x been working on ics,
is it possible to port MIUI rom with miui camera in it not like the sensation that have the stock gb camera or CM like rom with the theme chooser apk
i heard before that it is easy to port roms from another htc android device i dont know i am not a dev you tell me. maybe not cause of the lack of s-off
i know if your thinking if i didnt like sense get another, but i do love sense but do like others ui like stock or miui base
and look at this rom for ICS looks cool
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1430170
gypsy214 said:
to all the devs first of all thank you for your hard work. i know it takes time and time to build a nice not buggy rom and kernel,
and i know its hard cause of the lack of the wifi drivers and not having s-off, and i appreciate on staying with the amaze and not given up.
i know there are not many devs and i know working together can do more.
i was wondering if are there any thoughts on working on others roms
i know x been working on ics,
is it possible to port MIUI rom with miui camera in it not like the sensation that have the stock gb camera or CM like rom with the theme chooser apk
i heard before that it is easy to port roms from another htc android device i dont know i am not a dev you tell me. maybe not cause of the lack of s-off
i know if your thinking if i didnt like sense get another, but i do love sense but do like others ui like stock or miui base
and look at this rom for ICS looks cool
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1430170
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If you want it to look cool like ICS
-get adw launcher ex, download the ICS theme
-download widget locket and pick the ICS unlocker, and set the background of the clock to invisible
-download exdialer or exContacts and get the ICS theme
gypsy214 said:
to all the devs first of all thank you for your hard work. i know it takes time and time to build a nice not buggy rom and kernel,
and i know its hard cause of the lack of the wifi drivers and not having s-off, and i appreciate on staying with the amaze and not given up.
i know there are not many devs and i know working together can do more.
i was wondering if are there any thoughts on working on others roms
i know x been working on ics,
is it possible to port MIUI rom with miui camera in it not like the sensation that have the stock gb camera or CM like rom with the theme chooser apk
i heard before that it is easy to port roms from another htc android device i dont know i am not a dev you tell me. maybe not cause of the lack of s-off
i know if your thinking if i didnt like sense get another, but i do love sense but do like others ui like stock or miui base
and look at this rom for ICS looks cool
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1430170
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no offence to the OP but such kind of posts are stupid. Do you think the devs havent thought about it before you? you admit it you know nothing about roms and kernels but still you put yourself in the position of suggesting devs what according to you looks better. as seansk said just install couple of apps and make it look like the ones in the link you showed+that miui style is boring stressing iphone like stuff. just buy yourself an iphone 4 and you will be fine
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no offence to the OP but such kind of posts are stupid. Do you think the devs havent thought about it before you? you admit it you know nothing about roms and kernels but still you put yourself in the position of suggesting devs what according to you looks better. as seansk said just install couple of apps and make it look like the ones in the link you showed+that miui style is boring stressing iphone like stuff. just buy yourself an iphone 4 and you will be fine
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yes i know the devs prolly thought about this, this is just a reminder in fack this message was for devs there is no business here for you,
if i wanted an iphone i would had stayed with it,
and i just suggested that cause its nice having difference roms not just sense
and i know the time it takes to build one.
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yes i know the devs prolly thought about this, this is just a reminder in fack this message was for devs there is no business here for you,
if i wanted an iphone i would had stayed with it,
and i just suggested that cause its nice having difference roms not just sense
and i know the time it takes to build one.
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u mean the dev I suppose? cuz I do not see any devs here other then Xboarder
p.s there is business for me wherever I want mister gipsy from texas
I wouldn't say this is at all a stupid thread. It lets xboarder know that there are lots of people that are looking forward to something else. As for rom developement, its tough because x is really the only person here who knows how to work with source code. A couple others are learning but it just takes time. O and superstar just picked up an amaze so hopefully he will jump in and help! He has an ics build on the hd2!
I would totally love miui as well but know X is really the only main dev here.
Also love when people just ask simple questions and get fired at like they are a moron I bet other people that know a lot were once noobs too.
I guess that's the way xda is and has become its sad that people have to be afraid to post a question or a topic.
Yes I agree search first but damn we all aren't geniuses
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Greetings fellow Amaze users!
Seeing as ICS was just leaked for the Amaze, I feel like the next logical step would be to create an AOSP version of it. What I want to know is: Is this possible? If so, how long will it be until it gets released? I love ICS, but hate sense with a passion!
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Greetings fellow Amaze users!
Seeing as ICS was just leaked for the Amaze, I feel like the next logical step would be to create an AOSP version of it. What I want to know is: Is this possible? If so, how long will it be until it gets released? I love ICS, but hate sense with a passion!
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hello mate
these two roms are the closest to AOSP:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1623184
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1624433
That's perfect, I really just want to get rid of sense alltogether. I noticed that speed rom does have a lot of AOSP apps, however phone and contacts are still sense-ified.
Is there:
A) A way to change them to AOSP myself
B) A future update that will add them
Unfortunately, due to wifi driver source code not being released, you have to keep bits and pieces of sense on GB. ICS, you will have to wait until the kernel source is released, hopefully they won't exclude the wifi driver source this go round.
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Unfortunately, due to wifi driver source code not being released, you have to keep bits and pieces of sense on GB. ICS, you will have to wait until the kernel source is released, hopefully they won't exclude the wifi driver source this go round.
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Thats not necessarily true there is a way to hack around it but it is not ideal
What do you mean by hack around it? As far as I knew, you couldn't get wifi data without some sense processes running to communicate with the wifi module. You can build a pure AOSP Build with working wifi? If you can, I would sure like to know what you are doing.
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What do you mean by hack around it? As far as I knew, you couldn't get wifi data without some sense processes running to communicate with the wifi module. You can build a pure AOSP Build with working wifi? If you can, I would sure like to know what you are doing.
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You fake the kernel version to match htc stock kernel and you hex edit out where the wifi driver checks for sense and it will load it up thats what max did
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