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I want to buy my wife a 7" tablet for Christmas. Desired specs are: Android 2.2+, easily rooted and market install(I have rooted and installed market on a Pandigital Novel 7" table and a Viewsonic Gtab with a lot of help from members). She primarily uses it for crossword puzzles(shortz) and web surfing. I would like for it to be able to access a ad-hoc wifi, the Pandigital(hers) can not do this. I do not think she would need a lot of storage(memory?). Would 512mb of ram and 1ghz processor be over-kill? And it needs to be in the $150.00-$200.00 range. Could go slightly higher for an exceptional deal. Thanks
Amazon Fire easy. Dual-Core, best deal available, root should be available soon, maybe even a Honeycomb port!
Maybe look for a Dell Streak deal. Waaaay underrated. The resolution is criticized as being limited, but that's a little silly. It's a 7 inch screen so you can only REALLY use so much resolution before the letters get to small to read. The real problems with it are (I have one) poor battery life and poor viewing angles. Neither are big issues for many users. If you are sharing your 7 inch tablet with many viewers and have to watch from a wide angle, you may be unhappy if you are viewing from 50 degrees off-angle. In reality, it's never been a problem. Battery life really does suck...6-8 hours of "on time" and 4-5 or a little less with constant use. If that's not enough (it's not always for me), then just be aware. Ergonomically, it's among the best I've used. There's nothing on the market today in the 7 inch size compelling enough to make me change.
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Hey guys!
Firstly, I would like to mention that I do not own any tablet, nor any laptop. Now from what I've seen, if I want to buy a tablet, transformer prime is the best out there both in terms of price and hardware.
But my question is, for that same price (500 - 600), could I get any laptop with that kind of size and weight, but have better performance? I absolutely love the android niche and community and the hardware of the device itself. But every now and then I would love to run some old or decent games (morrowind xD, or halo) or perhaps use photoshop etc.... Would such a laptop, light, compact and relatively more powerful, at that price range exist? What are the advantages of a tablet considering my concerns?
Thanks guys!
be nice on the no0b plz
I was in the same case as you are before i bought the original transformer. No laptop no tablet, but a smartphone (HTC Desire) and a powerfull desktop computer.
Here's the thing. At this price point, the laptop you would buy will most likely be very bad on a lot of point. Build weight heat screen battery raw power etc.
But with a tablet. At this price you'll have the best in class.
So Yeah you wont do the same thing on a tablet and on a laptop, but some thing are better on laptop (work, heavy gaming) some are better on tablet (web browsing reading light gaming watching vidéo etc.).
The catch is that your laptop, being a low cost product, wont do its things very well, but the tablet will do what it does perfectly.
I could have bought a cheap laptop and be able to work on my CGs project on the go or play Skyrim everywhere but seriously... who wants to play Skyrim on a ****ty laptop with awfull graphics ? Who wants to work on a tiny screen with a slow ass CPU ? Working is bad enough not to worsening it by doing it with bad tools. And who wants to do this thing for no more than 2 hours top because that's what happen when you do heavy task on battery?
If you Really want to work or play big games on a mobile device, buy a real laptop (1000$+).
If what s your looking for is a mobile entertainement device with internet and some cool creative tools go for a tablet (the Transformer Prime !).
Plus tablet are hype and fun, and the Transformer with dock provide its fair share of "Woa effect " each time I take the screen away of what seemed until now to be a cheap netbook.
First off, a tablet and a laptop aren't really comparable at this point. I would recommend you get a laptop first, because laptops are capable of doing the practical things like word processing and photoshop and the like that tablets can't do yet. Tablets are still primarily "fun" devices compared to laptops (though tablets certainly do have some practical uses).
Yes, any laptop you get in that range will have better specs. I have a laptop in that range, and no tablets have the sort of capabilities my laptop has. But like I said it isn't really comparable, because they are 2 completely different experiences. As far as games, I've only ever played 1 game on my laptop: Homeworld (a 1999 game lol, old game but best RTS ever). Despite how old the game is, it still pushed my laptop to its limit, and I have a i5 processor. The only laptops that can run games well are really expensive, and so in that sense, I actually think in the under $1k range tablets are better for gaming.
Overall, a laptop is a much more practical choice.
the advantages to a tablet at this price point are going to be battery life, weight and touch input.
the advantages to a laptop at this price point are going to be more storage, faster CPU, more versatility when it comes to software.
downside to tablet: limited software (when compared to windows), less raw power
downside to laptop: subjectively worse gaming (at this price point, the tegra3 or ipad2 seem to have more gaming potential for well designed games than a $600 thin and light (as thin and light as possible at the price point) laptop, less battery life, heavier, thicker, no touch input (but possibly better keyboard/touchpad responsiveness)
so in the end, it comes down to what you are going to use your laptop or tablet for, and what features are a priority to you.
i have a laptop that i do actual photoshop/office/illustrator work on, but when i just need to take notes or write emails and stuff (as in, not get actual work work done, but sidework) then the OG transformer and my galaxy tab have been more useful than a tablet because of the lightness and battery life. for me at least.
Laptop is much better. Unless you use it as a supplement to other tech (desktop computer, mobile phone, heavy duty laptop), it is better to have a laptop. While you lose out on battery, it is simply much more powerful and versatile.
Tablet like Prime is useful as a netbook replacement. Something you use during lectures for notes, reading, browsing or viewing videos while on the go (plane, bus, carpooling). It has a long battery life, but is less than adequate for gaming (you cannot play any modern games on it, nor games that were modern ten years ago, even if they look better). It also has barely adequate options for document creation and powerful photo, sound and video editing is nearly impossible. A laptop is also much, much better when multitasking.
But if you have a device for gaming and office work and consider tablet a supplement to those tools, then tablet is absolutely awesome. Tablet is also awesome for people who don't do anything with computers other than reading documents and books, viewing videos and browsing internet. It's also great for kids.
In all honesty though, for the latter category, iPad 2 is a much better option than Transformer Prime.
The best thing Transformer Prime is for, is being a replacement for your netbook and supplement to your laptop/desktop computer.
I already have an iphone 4 and in all honesty I couldn't get myself to buy an ipad knowing that its identical to the phone.
Ive decided to get the Prime instead of replacing my 4 year old laptop.
Wow! You guys are really helpful! I really appreciate thoughtful replies. I have some good insight now!
Thanks again guys!
If you currently own neither laptop nor tablet definitely get laptop. For ~$400 your best option is Lenovo AMD APU E-450 based netbook with better graphics performance/gaming/media decoding than comparable Intel Atom netbook. This will allow you to do everything that you can do on a tablet with the added benefit of access to wider range of software especially productivity and games. If budget allows you can go higher end with Intel i5/i7 CPU, discrete graphics, SSD, etc.
Asus Transformer Prime is a great upgrade for someone familiar with an Android phone ecosystem and is ready to move up in size and performance.
Another option is in lieu of a high end laptop you can buy both the AMD APU netbook and the Asus Transformer Prime. If I was in your position and don't do anything very compute intensive on the x86 side I would go with this option.
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If you currently own neither laptop nor tablet definitely get laptop. For ~$400 your best option is Lenovo AMD APU E-450 based netbook with better graphics performance/gaming/media decoding than comparable Intel Atom netbook. This will allow you to do everything that you can do on a tablet with the added benefit of access to wider range of software especially productivity and games. If budget allows you can go higher end with Intel i5/i7 CPU, discrete graphics, SSD, etc.
Asus Transformer Prime is a great upgrade for someone familiar with an Android phone ecosystem and is ready to move up in size and performance.
Another option is in lieu of a high end laptop you can buy both the AMD APU netbook and the Asus Transformer Prime. If I was in your position and don't do anything very compute intensive on the x86 side I would go with this option.
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Can't say I agree. He has made due without a laptop so far so to assume he would now need that extra functionality over a tablet would be a big assumption.
I currently do not have a laptop or a tablet but am getting the prime. Reason is that while there are a few things the laptop would be better suited for (like better word processing and excel) the fact is I haven't needed a laptop previously for those tasks and do not need them now. The basic office functions on the tablet will work fine for me (can format things at home).
When it comes down to it you need to really think what your main uses will be. For me its portable media consumption (much better on tablet) and annotating pdfs for classes (much better on tablet), and then studying off them. Sure a bit more power would be nice, but a tablet doesn't have to only be a laptop supplement, but a main PC supplement (which could be a desktop)
Hey guys. I've been agonizing over which of these tablets to get. I am an android devotee already. I have a Gnex. What I want most out of my tablet is to be a portable movie/book machine. I plan to use it as my primary netflix device over my xbox because I plan on using it at work on my break and cuddled up in bed. A big issue for me with movies is the quality with black. I HATE when movies get to darker scenes and the blacks are not pure. They appear blotchy and purple-ish. I can't explain it well. My laptop (lenovo y570) doesn't handle blacks well. Another thing I need is for the book reading experience to be superb. I plan on overloading on e-books so I'm looking for a comfortable thing to hold and screen quality to not strain my eyes with words. I'm not a big app user. I just like to read news and watch videos. The most of my app use is with videos and I do plan to use emulators. N64 especially. For my needs, which of these two do you guys suggest?
I would get the Nexus 10 then. I've heard loads of stories of the Nexus 7 having bad backlight bleed. The Nexus 10 isn't immune however, but there should less chance of getting a device with bad backlight bleed.
The sooner they start using amoled screens in devices the better imo.
Nexus 7 for Books
Nexus 10 for Movies
But if you have problems with the black levels, you should get an amoled screen like Galaxy Tab 7.7
I got my Nexus 10 today and came from Nexus 7. I have to say N10 is huge, N7 is a toy compared to it.
N7 is much more comfortable to hold and read, but its rather small.
Double Resolution on N10 could be an argument too. Text is crisp, but the tablet is harder to hold.
For a 10 inch tablet, the N10 is very handy and light, but compared to N7 its so big.
For gaming like n64 you better take the N7. Also reading on N7 is more handy. Youtube and watching series is fine too and its half the price, so I would pick the nexus 7.
I suggest you try out some 7 and 10 inch tablets. The N10 is like the galaxy tab 2 and N7 comes close to Kindle Fire.
Yeah root an Kindle Fire HD 8.9 or get a Nexus 10. No brainer. I had a Nexus 7 and just didn't feel it. Nothing stand out about it besides Jelly Bean.
My fear with the N7 is that it is too close to a phone. The difference from my 4.65 in. screen on my gnex to the 7 inch screen wont be as much of an improvement in experience over my phone with regards to movie experience. My fear with the N10 is that it will be too big to lug around to work and that reading wont be as comfortable in the 10 inch form factor. I guess I'll have to bite the bullet and jump on the N10. I think there is less downside and more justification for the purchase.
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My fear with the N7 is that it is too close to a phone. The difference from my 4.65 in. screen on my gnex to the 7 inch screen wont be as much of an improvement in experience over my phone with regards to movie experience. My fear with the N10 is that it will be too big to lug around to work and that reading wont be as comfortable in the 10 inch form factor. I guess I'll have to bite the bullet and jump on the N10. I think there is less downside and more justification for the purchase.
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I too have a Gnex and the 2 inch screen size difference forced me to get a n10. Plus n10 got micro HDMI which is essential for me
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Yeah root an Kindle Fire HD 8.9 or get a Nexus 10. No brainer. I had a Nexus 7 and just didn't feel it. Nothing stand out about it besides Jelly Bean.
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This idea is interesting. I was about to bring that up. The 8-9 inch seems like a sweet spot. The screen is pretty high res. I don't really want to do any rooting. Its not that I don't know how. I've done it on my old evo and my gnex now. I just want to keep things simple. And the amazon prime deal seems kinda sweet. I'm not sure how I'll handle the limitation with the customization though. That was my biggest issue with the iphone. I hated how restricted I was.
What do you do with the micro HDMI?
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I would say the Nexus 7. I own both, the Nexus 10 would suit the movie environment more, which would be suited to home/work etc. But the Nexus 7 is perfect for 'on the go' (literally), its lightweight, perfect for one handed use and great for reading (which is what i do with all the time).
Performance wise, its great, nothing to complain about, i have the 16gb version and i haven't found myself short of space at all. I tether it to my phone via bluetooth and all is perfect.
Aesthetically speaking, its amazing, the bezel is the right size, enough for your thumbs in landscape and enough in portrait to not let your fingers, that are wrapping around, to cause any interference.I had no defects, its a bit soft on the bezel, but well, it doesn't bother me.
Im loving the Nexus 10 though, but i wont be using it 'on the go', rather, somewhere where i would be situated for a while.
Hope this helps, otherwise if you have any specific questions, do let me know
Thanks. I plan on using it at my desk on lunch break and then bringing it home to use in bed at night to read and Netflix. That's the extent of my portability. I won't be using it on commutes because I drive.
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I don't like using my laptop for movies because the screen quality is just not good at all. The blacks are terrible. I use it for hardcore gaming. I don't like to Netflix a whole lot on my Xbox because I just don't like going through the menus and I like having a smaller screen up close rather than a TV for movies.
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Thanks. I plan on using it at my desk on lunch break and then bringing it home to use in bed at night to read and Netflix. That's the extent of my portability. I won't be using it on commutes because I drive.
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I really like 9" tablets. For me, I'm able to interact with the screen without worrying about spraining a thumb. I had a 10-incher previously and that little bit has made a big difference for me. I actually thought I'd get a KF or the Nook+ (or whatever they're called -- the 9-inchers). Then I found a 9" Tegra 3 budget tab that quieted the German voice of frugality in my head...
In my opinion:
Nexus 7 Benefits:
- Tegra 3 (can take advantage of Tegra/THD-only games and game effects
- Smaller (Portability)
- Stylish Back
- Better Development (currently anyway; device existed longer than Nexus 10)
Nexus 10 Benefits:
- Faster (better RAM, CPU, and GPU; likely to receive more Android updates longer then N7)
- High-res Screen
- Larger Screen (less zooming on websites, bigger buttons, etc.)
- HDMI-out
- Dedicated Front Left/Right Speakers (N7 has 2 tiny L/R speakers in the rear)
- Rear-facing Camera
- Better-quality Front-facing Camera
I had a Nexus 7, and it worked fine and all (no backlight bleed; very minimal screen lift), but I would love the chance to try a 10-inch tablet. Now that the Nexus 10 is out, and with better specs, I can do so I'm really interested to see how gaming is on it mostly. Plus I would find a rear-facing camera very useful (I don't have a dedicated camera; trying to use the N7's front camera was a pain lol).
If it was a comparison between Nexus 7 and a Kindle Fire HD though, I'd choose the Nexus 7, unless you did a good bit of reading I guess (not that the Nexus 7 doesn't have ebooks and magazines, but perhaps the Kindle might have a larger collection). Overall though the Nexus 7 is more versatile and has a lot more features available for it, even without rooting (rooting is particularly easy on the Nexus 7 too, should you go down that path). I can't speak about the hardware of the Kindle Fire HD though since I never owned one, or even looked into it
Oh, and another suggestion. If you can't personally try out a 10-inch tablet, I might suggest making a cardboard cut-out with the exact specifications on size as a Nexus 10 (size specs are on Google's tech-spec page for the N10), and then just try holding it and stuff (that's what I did anyway lol). I learned that I seem to like 10-inch tablets, but I guess I'll find out for sure once I do get a Nexus 10 Can't really simulate weight though, so idk how heavy it'll be...
I think no reason to buy the nexus 7 except for reading books. It's too small to do anything. (well, I assume you have your smartphone to do other stuff liike mail checking etc..)
nexus 7 is really great for on-the-go and gaming.
it is light and small.
playing asphalt 7 on nexus 10 for a long time will be quite a workout but playing on nexus 7 is just right.
nexus 10 is more for watching movies.
it all comes down to you, if you like to bring it along with you anytime, nexus 7 is really the best. It doesn't attract too much attention, it fits perfectly to hold with 1 hand. If you like to watch movie before sleep, nexus 10 might be better.
I also find the Nexus 7 screen wanting, the playbook screen looked better with a much lower ppi. I also preferred the ipad 3 much better than the Nexus 7 for browsing the internet, which I assume is 90% of the tablet's use for most including myself.
I won't know for sure if the Nexus 10 is also much better when browsing the internet until I get my hands on mine but I assume the above applies since the Nexus 10 should be effectively the nexus 7 software in an ipad 4 body with an even higher ppi.
You're better off with N10. I sold my N7 and don't regret it. Anxiously waiting for N10 get delivered.
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My fear with the N7 is that it is too close to a phone. The difference from my 4.65 in. screen on my gnex to the 7 inch screen wont be as much of an improvement in experience over my phone with regards to movie experience. My fear with the N10 is that it will be too big to lug around to work and that reading wont be as comfortable in the 10 inch form factor. I guess I'll have to bite the bullet and jump on the N10. I think there is less downside and more justification for the purchase.
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I have a Galaxy Nexus, and the screen size is no comparison. it may not seem like 2.35" is a lot more, but that is diagonal space so it goes both vertical and horizontal. It really is a lot bigger than a phone screen and the perfect size for reading a book or taking with you on a trip. If I were in the market for a new smaller tablet for reading, it would be a really hard choice between the perfect portability of a 7" and the great specs and still somewhat good size of the Kindle Fire HD 8.9"
Really it just depends on if you want it primarily for reading or if you want to do a lot of video watching. Since you started with movies, then mentioned portability to work, then said you want to load a ton of book on it, I honestly think the Kindle Fire HD 8.9" would be the best choice for you. It is a compromise between both sizes (7" and 10"), a compromise on screen quality between both devices, and is a compromise in cost (but closer to the N7). It is just the perfect balance of all things you listed as wanting to do for your situation.
Alright everyone, I know this is a Nexus subforum so bring on the hate
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I have a Galaxy Nexus, and the screen size is no comparison. it may not seem like 2.35" is a lot more, but that is diagonal space so it goes both vertical and horizontal. It really is a lot bigger than a phone screen and the perfect size for reading a book or taking with you on a trip. If I were in the market for a new smaller tablet for reading, it would be a really hard choice between the perfect portability of a 7" and the great specs and still somewhat good size of the Kindle Fire HD 8.9"
Really it just depends on if you want it primarily for reading or if you want to do a lot of video watching. Since you started with movies, then mentioned portability to work, then said you want to load a ton of book on it, I honestly think the Kindle Fire HD 8.9" would be the best choice for you. It is a compromise between both sizes (7" and 10"), a compromise on screen quality between both devices, and is a compromise in cost (but closer to the N7). It is just the perfect balance of all things you listed as wanting to do for your situation.
Alright everyone, I know this is a Nexus subforum so bring on the hate
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Yeah the Kindle Fire HD 8.9 seems like a sweet spot in size. I don't know how I like that Amazon software with the ads and stuff though. A girl here at work has the original Fire and I haven't taking much of a liking to it. I wish there was a Nexus 8.5 or something. That would be perfect. I think I'm going to go with the N10. My biggest want out of the tablet is to be a portable movie machine. I'm sure books will be just fine on it as well. I used to have a Galaxy Tab 10.1 and it was great but I gave it to my sister for her birthday. I thought that my laptop would make it obsolete but due to the poor screen resolution, I'm not satisfied with the movie experience. And I cant bring it around to work.
Never buy a Kindle tablet.... Full of ads
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...and it should have an 8" 4:3 size for $200-250.
Why? It's the sweet spot of usability, combined with the sweet spot in consumer pricing ($200'ish).
iPad Mini (12 million est for this Q4) is reported to have higher demand than iPad 4, despite its low-res display and relative high price to the KFHD and N7.
For small tablets and of course phones, portrait mode is preferred. The mode lends itself better to one-handed use than landscape. When in this mode, the main spec that determine "tablet size" is display width, ie the larger the width, the more content you can see at a glance.
7" 16:10 tablets have a display width of 3.7". You can see how "small" they are by trying to read web pages in portrait.
iPad Mini's display width is 4.7", a full inch larger. It achieves this while maintaining a smaller physical width than KFHD (5.3" vs 5.4"), and being lighter than both KFHD and N7 (308g vs 394g and 340g, respectively). Mini also has better reported battery life than KFHD & N7 (12:43 per Engadget).
The Mini is almost as "large" as the N10. N10's display width is 5.3", only 0.6" more than Mini. However, it is much larger (less portable), heavier, and can't be used one-handed. It also has shorter battery life, and is more expensive.
Widescreen fans will no doubt disagree, and vids are certainly better on 16:10. But there's no argument that for one-handed use, portrait mode is best. iPad Mini is more portable than the 10" and have almost the same usability, being only 0.6" "smaller."
Instead of chasing after the "best" specs as N10 did, with resultant hits in lower battery life and higher price, I'd also submit that the Nexus 8 should have "good enough" specs, ie 1024x768 screen (what Mini has), and a Tegra 3 or equivalent. This should allow the $200-250 price range suggested above for 2013.
Why? Because for market share--how devs make their calculations on whether to develop for a platform--a $200 tablet counts the same as a $400 tablet. And it's a lot easier to sell more $200 tabs than $400 ones.
Edit: Yes, there are already Chinese 8" 4:3 tabs that are around the $120-150/qty1 range. But their quality is poor, battery life low, and of course no direct Google support. The suggested $200 price should be very doable, and also allow Goog/vendor a decent profit.
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I actually would love a 12" tablet. screens smaller than 10" im not interested.
For someone who has just ordered their N10 I like reading these kind of threads.
I look forward to my N10 and think we will get enough use out of it to justify the purchase, so much so I think the next purchase would be a N7 for more portability. That being said, I like the widescreen look for "most" things but will see myself going portrait for webpages and a few games I suppose. I am getting the N10 for the whole family where I think the N7 is maybe a little more personal.
Either way viewing spec's are over my head but thanks for the info and opinion. An 8" would be interesting indeed.
I would love an 8.9 in tablet. A ton..
I think I'm at the point where I like using my Nexus 10 as my "portable" tablet and I'd be interested in having some kind of 15" or 17" coffee table tablet for sofa / bed use. I really don't need anything in between my Nexus 4 and Nexus 10 for size and if I did, my wife's Nexus 7 is definitely fine.
But, if Google wants to release an entire family, go for it.
Nexus 4 - phone
Nexus 5 - phablet
Nexus 6 - phablet
Nexus 7 - mini tablet
Nexus 8 - mini tablet
Nexus 9 - tablet
Nexus 10 - tablet
Nexus 12 - ultra tablet
Nexus 14 - ultra tablet
Nexus 16 - coffee table tablet
Nexus 20 - just. because.
I like the 7" due to its size the iPad mini might have a better display but it isn't as horrible that said you might as well buy a iPad 2 with the same specs and price. I want to see a N7 with a 1080P display which is achievable since 5" phones have them. It should have a dual a15 and 2 gb ram. A bigger battery and slimmer profile then the iPad mini it should also be made out of aluminium. It should only have a front facing camera and it should use the latest components with wireless charging. It should be also manufactured by google instead of Asus I do not like the fact that google uses hardware manufacturers to make a nexus device because it is then no longer pure android with LG or samsung written on the back rather it would feel like a google device with google written. O would rather have a product overpriced like the iPad mini that works then to buy a bargain that doesn't work like the N7 and its cheap components.
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I like the 7" due to its size the iPad mini might have a better display but it isn't as horrible that said you might as well buy a iPad 2 with the same specs and price. I want to see a N7 with a 1080P display which is achievable since 5" phones have them. It should have a dual a15 and 2 gb ram. A bigger battery and slimmer profile then the iPad mini it should also be made out of aluminium. It should only have a front facing camera and it should use the latest components with wireless charging. It should be also manufactured by google instead of Asus I do not like the fact that google uses hardware manufacturers to make a nexus device because it is then no longer pure android with LG or samsung written on the back rather it would feel like a google device with google written. O would rather have a product overpriced like the iPad mini that works then to buy a bargain that doesn't work like the N7 and its cheap components.
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You're suggesting Google begin hardware manufacturing without any background or experience in the area? They'd have to start from scratch, which is completely impractical. They have heavy involvement in the design of Nexus devices, but there's no reason they should do the actual manufacturing. Not even Apple does their own building.
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You're suggesting Google begin hardware manufacturing without any background or experience in the area? They'd have to start from scratch, which is completely impractical. They have heavy involvement in the design of Nexus devices, but there's no reason they should do the actual manufacturing. Not even Apple does their own building.
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i would imagine that would be where their purchase of motorola would come in handy...
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Nexus 20 - just. because.
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lmao
No 4 by 3 crap. A 4:3 8 inch tablet would be too wide in portrait to your hands around comfortably.
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No 4 by 3 crap. A 4:3 8 inch tablet would be too wide in portrait to your hands around comfortably.
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this. 4:3 died with the crt television
I think you've misunderstood why the IPad mini sells so well. It's Apple. Pretty much everything they release these days sells like crazy
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Nexus 20 - just. because.
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I'd buy it
2 years on and it looks like it is almost here, well a Nexus 9 at least. I'd rather an 8.1" with no bezel because of a specific use case, but the 9 looks like a nice option. Oh, and 16:10 - 4:3 is now long gone.
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I actually would love a 12" tablet. screens smaller than 10" im not interested.
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This. Zero interest in a sub-10 inch tablet. This is the sweet spot for me size wise.
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Deciding between and N10 and N7, and I am torn.
Nexus 7
+ Smaller/More portable
+ Zippy Tegra 3
- 720p screen
Nexus 10
+ Insane Resolution
- Dual Core
That's all I really know about both devices. I have 2 friends with N7's and I really like the form factor, A LOT. But something about the N7 just doesn't sell me on it. Likewise, the N10 seems to be something I'm more familiar with, but the price tag seems like a bit much for me, considering I've never managed to see one in retail.
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Rebel908 said:
Deciding between and N10 and N7, and I am torn.
Nexus 7
+ Smaller/More portable
+ Zippy Tegra 3
- 720p screen
Nexus 10
+ Insane Resolution
- Dual Core
That's all I really know about both devices. I have 2 friends with N7's and I really like the form factor, A LOT. But something about the N7 just doesn't sell me on it. Likewise, the N10 seems to be something I'm more familiar with, but the price tag seems like a bit much for me, considering I've never managed to see one in retail.
All opinions appreciated*
*unless its rude and snarky
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I've purchased the Nexus 7 twice, and I've sold it twice. The first time I sold it was when I purchased the Nexus 10... Then I re-purchased it a month later because I missed the small form factor for when I was out of the house. I then return it 7 days later (yesterday) when I jumped ship to T-Mobile and upgraded my Nexus S to the Nexus 4. The Nexus 4 made the Nexus 7 a redundant piece of technology and also out performs it by a large margin.
The Nexus 7 is a great piece of equipment for the price.. I will give you the pros and cons..
Cons
* - Audio quality via the headphones is awful. There are a ton of apps claiming to make your headphones vomit rainbows and unicorns but those types of app packages I steer clear from as I don't believe in them as from past experience they never work. DAC matters not the app.
* - I/O speeds are slow.. You can see a side by side comparison I posted of the read/write speeds between the Nexus 7 and Nexus 10 here. It can be slower to load apps/games than you might expect a tablet to perform. It's not bad, but compared to other devices it's noticable.
* - Color reproduction isn't the best.
* - (opinion) The Tegra 3 I wasn't impressed with.
* - No rear facing camera
Pros
* - Size: If you have no other tablet or a Smartphone with a large LCD like a Nexus 4 or GS3 then this will be a great portable device for you to get stuff done with.
* - Price: Currently what you get for the price is a good bargin. The longer its on the market though the slimmer this "good bargin" edge becomes and inches closer to being just another tablet on the market in a price range. It's still a great bang for the buck though and not much competes with it.. Yet...
Nexus 7 is exactly what it was aimed to be.. A good performing tablet on above average hardware for the price. You miss out on things like high i/o speeds and a rear camera but you have to give some things up for the $249 price tag.
Nexus 10
Cons
* - Same bad color reproduction the Nexus 7 had.. It's not a deal breaker but it's obvious.
* - The general consensus is don't buy them from Google directly. Find a retailer as it will make returns easier if it's defective.. Some believe the N10s have a high defect rate, some believe they don't.. It's currently the elephant in the room in the N10 forums. I wouldn't let it keep you from buying one but just be aware the concern exists.
* - Size.. It's 10 inches.. Some people think that this will never be a concern for them.. Until they get it and try making it a part of their daily schedule.. It's not meant to be throw in your pocket and carry around as a day planner.. It's big
* - You can't play Tegra HD games
* - It ain't cheap
Pros
* - Speed.. Speed.. Speed.. Mother of god is it fast
* - Resolution speaks for itself.. The screen is incredible
* - Battery life considering the pixels and speed the processor is putting out is fantastic. I average 8-10hrs of screen on time with non-gaming casual use.
* - Audio quality is excellent.. Woflson DAC on board.. No need for magic pills and As Seen On TV products to make it reproduce audio at high quality. The onboard speaker quality is really good also.
* - Gaming performance is excellent and far out performs the N7
Summary.. It depends.. If you plan on upgrading your phone (no idea what you have) soon I would go the Nexus 10.. Like I said.. Soon as I got my hands on a Nexus 4 the Nexus 7 became instantly redundant and outdated. The only thing sacrificed was 2.3 inches of screen but I gained ten fold in performance, screen quality and audio quality...
styckx said:
I've purchased the Nexus 7 twice, and I've sold it twice. The first time I sold it was when I purchased the Nexus 10... Then I re-purchased it a month later because I missed the small form factor for when I was out of the house. I then return it 7 days later (yesterday) when I jumped ship to T-Mobile and upgraded my Nexus S to the Nexus 4. The Nexus 4 made the Nexus 7 a redundant piece of technology and also out performs it by a large margin.
The Nexus 7 is a great piece of equipment for the price.. I will give you the pros and cons..
Cons
* - Audio quality via the headphones is awful. There are a ton of apps claiming to make your headphones vomit rainbows and unicorns but those types of app packages I steer clear from as I don't believe in them as from past experience they never work. DAC matters not the app.
* - I/O speeds are slow.. You can see a side by side comparison I posted of the read/write speeds between the Nexus 7 and Nexus 10 here. It can be slower to load apps/games than you might expect a tablet to perform. It's not bad, but compared to other devices it's noticable.
* - Color reproduction isn't the best.
* - (opinion) The Tegra 3 I wasn't impressed with.
* - No rear facing camera
Pros
* - Size: If you have no other tablet or a Smartphone with a large LCD like a Nexus 4 or GS3 then this will be a great portable device for you to get stuff done with.
* - Price: Currently what you get for the price is a good bargin. The longer its on the market though the slimmer this "good bargin" edge becomes and inches closer to being just another tablet on the market in a price range. It's still a great bang for the buck though and not much competes with it.. Yet...
Nexus 7 is exactly what it was aimed to be.. A good performing tablet on above average hardware for the price. You miss out on things like high i/o speeds and a rear camera but you have to give some things up for the $249 price tag.
Nexus 10
Cons
* - Same bad color reproduction the Nexus 7 had.. It's not a deal breaker but it's obvious.
* - The general consensus is don't buy them from Google directly. Find a retailer as it will make returns easier if it's defective.. Some believe the N10s have a high defect rate, some believe they don't.. It's currently the elephant in the room in the N10 forums. I wouldn't let it keep you from buying one but just be aware the concern exists.
* - Size.. It's 10 inches.. Some people think that this will never be a concern for them.. Until they get it and try making it a part of their daily schedule.. It's not meant to be throw in your pocket and carry around as a day planner.. It's big
* - You can't play Tegra HD games
* - It ain't cheap
Pros
* - Speed.. Speed.. Speed.. Mother of god is it fast
* - Resolution speaks for itself.. The screen is incredible
* - Battery life considering the pixels and speed the processor is putting out is fantastic. I average 8-10hrs of screen on time with non-gaming casual use.
* - Audio quality is excellent.. Woflson DAC on board.. No need for magic pills and As Seen On TV products to make it reproduce audio at high quality. The onboard speaker quality is really good also.
* - Gaming performance is excellent and far out performs the N7
Summary.. It depends.. If you plan on upgrading your phone (no idea what you have) soon I would go the Nexus 10.. Like I said.. Soon as I got my hands on a Nexus 4 the Nexus 7 became instantly redundant and outdated. The only thing sacrificed was 2.3 inches of screen but I gained ten fold in performance, screen quality and audio quality...
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Well said and helped me make my decision! Nexus 10 it is! :good::good:
I'd only add one thing: the Tegra 3 in the Nexus 7 absolutely gets destroyed by the Exynos 5 in the N10. Even though the Exynos 5 is dual core, it's based on the newer A15 architecture which is a huge jump in performance, so the core count doesn't really matter in this case.
i bought the nexus 7 day 1, It was a awesome little tab and ran great until 4.2.1. New update smoothed it out a bit. It's nice, but I also have a Note 2 and the jump to the tab wasnt big enough. I still used it, but i just wasnt completly happy having both. I bought the Nexus 10 last week and love it. Its fast, great resolution, great camera and doesnt feel too big for me when im laying in bed which was my main concern. I actually booted up my N7 last night and just holding it i kept thinking "what is this a tablet for ants?". It's funny considering I dont get that feeling with the note 2, but then again its probably because i know its a phone not a tablet.
I'd say it depends what your phone is. If you have a iphone or something with a smaller screen, you might want to go for the N7, if its something in the bigger end near 5" or more, go with the N10
I went for the 10 over the 7 because I have a Galaxy S3 for portability and wanted a larger screen to use about the house. Oh and the specs of the 10 simply blew me away .
styckx said:
I've purchased the Nexus 7 twice, and I've sold it twice. The first time I sold it was when I purchased the Nexus 10... Then I re-purchased it a month later because I missed the small form factor for when I was out of the house. I then return it 7 days later (yesterday) when I jumped ship to T-Mobile and upgraded my Nexus S to the Nexus 4. The Nexus 4 made the Nexus 7 a redundant piece of technology and also out performs it by a large margin.
The Nexus 7 is a great piece of equipment for the price.. I will give you the pros and cons..
Cons
* - Audio quality via the headphones is awful. There are a ton of apps claiming to make your headphones vomit rainbows and unicorns but those types of app packages I steer clear from as I don't believe in them as from past experience they never work. DAC matters not the app.
* - I/O speeds are slow.. You can see a side by side comparison I posted of the read/write speeds between the Nexus 7 and Nexus 10 here. It can be slower to load apps/games than you might expect a tablet to perform. It's not bad, but compared to other devices it's noticable.
* - Color reproduction isn't the best.
* - (opinion) The Tegra 3 I wasn't impressed with.
* - No rear facing camera
Pros
* - Size: If you have no other tablet or a Smartphone with a large LCD like a Nexus 4 or GS3 then this will be a great portable device for you to get stuff done with.
* - Price: Currently what you get for the price is a good bargin. The longer its on the market though the slimmer this "good bargin" edge becomes and inches closer to being just another tablet on the market in a price range. It's still a great bang for the buck though and not much competes with it.. Yet...
Nexus 7 is exactly what it was aimed to be.. A good performing tablet on above average hardware for the price. You miss out on things like high i/o speeds and a rear camera but you have to give some things up for the $249 price tag.
Nexus 10
Cons
* - Same bad color reproduction the Nexus 7 had.. It's not a deal breaker but it's obvious.
* - The general consensus is don't buy them from Google directly. Find a retailer as it will make returns easier if it's defective.. Some believe the N10s have a high defect rate, some believe they don't.. It's currently the elephant in the room in the N10 forums. I wouldn't let it keep you from buying one but just be aware the concern exists.
* - Size.. It's 10 inches.. Some people think that this will never be a concern for them.. Until they get it and try making it a part of their daily schedule.. It's not meant to be throw in your pocket and carry around as a day planner.. It's big
* - You can't play Tegra HD games
* - It ain't cheap
Pros
* - Speed.. Speed.. Speed.. Mother of god is it fast
* - Resolution speaks for itself.. The screen is incredible
* - Battery life considering the pixels and speed the processor is putting out is fantastic. I average 8-10hrs of screen on time with non-gaming casual use.
* - Audio quality is excellent.. Woflson DAC on board.. No need for magic pills and As Seen On TV products to make it reproduce audio at high quality. The onboard speaker quality is really good also.
* - Gaming performance is excellent and far out performs the N7
Summary.. It depends.. If you plan on upgrading your phone (no idea what you have) soon I would go the Nexus 10.. Like I said.. Soon as I got my hands on a Nexus 4 the Nexus 7 became instantly redundant and outdated. The only thing sacrificed was 2.3 inches of screen but I gained ten fold in performance, screen quality and audio quality...
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Thanks for saving me all that typing lol... that's exactly why I have a10 now. My wife has the Nexus 7. Between the I/O speeds and premium feel its a no brainer. I have two managers at work who are getting then after seeing mine. One even returned his 2 day old iPad4 because it was no comparison. Also not to be over looked are the front speakers. You never quite realize how bad cupping is to get decent sound is until you don't have to do it anymore.... pure perfection.
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Thanks for saving me all that typing lol... that's exactly why I have a10 now. My wife has the Nexus 7. Between the I/O speeds and premium feel its a no brainer. I have two managers at work who are getting then after seeing mine. One even returned his 2 day old iPad4 because it was no comparison. Also not to be over looked are the front speakers. You never quite realize how bad cupping is to get decent sound is until you don't have to do it anymore.... pure perfection.
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You are absolutely correct about the sound quality, I've given up on the Nexus 10 a few times after feeling it was impossible to get one without major issues but keep coming back after trying other devices. My favorite alternative was the Asus Vivotab Smart but the volume is extremely low and poor sounding which ultimately made me return it and try a few more nexus 10's the sound quality on this tablet is amazing compared to the rest.
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...My favorite alternative was the Asus Vivotab Smart but the volume is extremely low and poor sounding which ultimately made me return it and try a few more nexus 10's the sound quality on this tablet is amazing compared to the rest.
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I was actually considering buying this tablet in the future, but hearing the various reports of audio volume, it doesn't sound too good.
I sold my iPad 3 for it because I thought Google had gotten it right this time. Big mistake. Significant downgrade.
Wait for Google I/O. They will probably release a new tablet of some sorts
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Wait for Google I/O. They will probably release a new tablet of some sorts
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Currently the Nexus 10 is the best tablet on the market. So if you wait for a new tablet it's probably going to come out at the end of the year
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Got my nexus 10 ordered and on the way! Can't wait!
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I sold my iPad 3 for it because I thought Google had gotten it right this time. Big mistake. Significant downgrade.
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How so?
Better screen resolution. Even The Verge said it was on par if-not better then the iPad4 screen.
More memory
Lower price
Significantly better sound quality from forward firing speakers
I had an iPad 3, dad has a 4. I sold mine for the Nexus 7 and then upgraded to the N10. I have two friends at work getting them as well, one of whom returned his iPad4 after 3 days for the N10.
Although I'm a Android lover I was a huge advocate for the iPad. It was a great device done right. But not so much anymore. Google did an amazing job on this device and I can no longer recommend an iPad, only the apps are better, but to be honest in the past 6 months the play store has jumped by leaps and bounds
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How so?
Better screen resolution. Even The Verge said it was on par if-not better then the iPad4 screen.
More memory
Lower price
Significantly better sound quality from forward firing speakers
I had an iPad 3, dad has a 4. I sold mine for the Nexus 7 and then upgraded to the N10. I have two friends at work getting them as well, one of whom returned his iPad4 after 3 days for the N10.
Although I'm a Android lover I was a huge advocate for the iPad. It was a great device done right. But not so much anymore. Google did an amazing job on this device and I can no longer recommend an iPad, only the apps are better, but to be honest in the past 6 months the play store has jumped by leaps and bounds
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Instability, Backlight bleed and battery life. Even on CM 10.1 I'm still getting random reboots everyday and 5 hours of screen on time. Compared to never rebooting and 12+ hours of screen on time. And I'd take the lower resolution over the 2560x1600 anyday if it meant zero backlight bleeding and much better performance.
Edit: Don't get me wrong, I prefer Android. I'd just rather a cohesive and smooth experience like I have with my Note 2. If the Nexus 10 had that I would be stoked on it. But it doesn't. Gets the job done for now but I was happier with the iPad so I'll likely go back unless Samsung releases a Note 10.1 with retina quality display.
Edit Edit: I'm also not saying the iPad is objectively better because you can't say that about either. I'm just saying for my use, in my experience, the iPad was smoother and much more stable. No random reboots for me on it whereas on the Nexus 10 it would lock up all the time and the battery life was wonderful. You can say, "Oh you shouldn't use your tablet more than 5 hours a day anyway" but that's also assuming you are always in a location where you can charge it.
I get Nexus 10 as:
Insane resolution, the wording was extreme clear and sharp, far better than my laptop.
Smooth performance. In market, not much Android tablet was smooth as this, for current available android tablet, I only can accept Padfone 2.
It is not iOS, sorry iOS never my prefer OS due to it restriction and boring interface.
** Reboot/hang issue was fixed 99% now in 4.2.2, so I am ok with it. Anyway Google really need more stability build on it Android OS, as no doubt it still cannot compete with stability of iOS.
My N10 just arrived a week ago...
I've been all over the place... with 2 7" tablets, 2 7.7" tablets, 2 8.9" tablets and 2 10.1" tablets in the last year.
This month, I had the Kindle Fire 8.9... which at 250 is an amazing value for a media tablet with some android compatibility. I got tired of the KF89's limitations like the accelometer, having to lock rotation, lack of compatibility, difficulty in getting a CM rom and my own decision to buy the 16gb version. I decided to get the Galaxy Note 10.1 as it was the fastest Android tablet under $400 with removable memory. I was very unhappy with it from the hour I unboxed it and decided I was done beating around the bush.
I wanted to have a no-compromise Android tablet... and today that tablet is the Nexus 10 32GB. In a few months it will be a Exnos 5 quad, or a Tegra 4 or a Qualcomm 800... but today it's the Nexus 10. And in the near (18 month) future, the N10 will stay ahead of the curve in full-size rom development. It feels good... sounds good, looks good and works well.
I would just buy the nexus 10 because of the screen size and use it to watch free/new/theater/ hd movies (I'm going to post the link to the app later in a new thread) but I dont know if the app would be compatible with the n10
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I didn't originally plan to buy it. Planned on getting the Nexus 7, but once I got to staples, it just seemed to small, Saw they had the N10 but not on display, So I took a shot in the dark since had 2 weeks to return it, but once I booted it I was hooked, I love the size, still fairly portable for me, I use it A LOT more than I expected and it does so much more then I could think of, I love taking it to work and playing Playstation games on it with ease, or SNES/NES games to just sitting back watching movies via plex/netflix. The screen is amazing even at half brightness everything looks beautiful. and of couse that darn tapped out game is just perfect for the big 10inch screen..I got the 32gb since all they had, and its way more than enough for this beast. Team it up with the Moko slim fit multiangle case. I am just VERY please with this purchase
I have currently a N4, a N7 and a TF700 which I sell for a N10.
I like them all for different tasks.
The N4 is my communication hub, my music player and the hot spot for my tablets. I use it often for small tasks like web search or navigation.
The N7 is my entertainment device for commuting because I can carry it in my jacket.
The TF700 is for reading PDFs (because some of them are not scalable so it's more comfortable on a large display) and longer browsing sessions on holiday or when I work abroad. And it works excellent for watching films.
However I'll exchange it for an N10 because of the performance. It drives me nuts that it is so much slower than my other two devices and because I would like to have a device with proper fastboot support.