helo friends i have root my htc evo 3d 4.0.3 with hboot 1.53.0007 now i want to upgrade it with new rom of android 4.2.1 but i never able to find any rom for hboot 1.53.0007 ,, there are some roms only for hboot 1.49.0007.. now i confused between 2 things.
1. downgrade hboot 1.53.0007 to 1.49.0007 (i think it not safe)
2. wait for the android 4.2.1 rom for the hboot 1.53.0007..(i don't want to wait)
plz anyone help i newly root my phone any i never want any wait for upgrade....
thks in advance ... plz reply immediately...
plz reply ..if i will put wrong question then anyone suggets me ???
Hello again! Unfortunately, this is the downside of anything outside of the nexus family. I had an htc, which i loved, but again, getting software updates 2 years later?!? I couldnt live with that. Luckily i found some good advice in my device's thread that helped, but it is not without RISK. You certainly CANNOT try revolutionary yet : http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Install_CM_for_shooteru, step 5 bulletpoint 2. I say take the time you will have to wait to learn about android tools, linux, and the things you can do with root. Question is: If you had done the research before, and not found any roms which would work, would you still have begun the process??
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Feeling helpful, i browsed on over to the htc evo 3d thread. this is your method: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1535987. But i'd read it say 20 times first. It's intense, even for me and i understand it. But obviously it works, and if you're intent on getting cyanogen, or other roms, you've got to go for it. BTW, Nightlies, or "fun for the night" type thread are NOT stable, and you are looking for something stable that functions well.
i try the link thks for the help ....
Helo friend . After study I get know that it is required to switch off hboot and i never put or flash any new Rom without switch-off .
Switch-on is never useable in flashing new Rom, it is use only for security and root purpose ..
Now my journey of upgrade my phone was stop here , I never upgrade my phone because I never want to take a very risky chance of hard brick ,, on the other hand my phone was second handed and without bill (mean no granite and warnite)....
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S-On, or security on prevents the flashing of kernels, radios, and perhaps a couple of other things. But as is stated in that method, S-OFF, or security off is mostly required for flashing kernels (boot.img). So if you find a custom rom which does not include a custom kernel, or radio, you should be able to flash it. This is stated in that thread. That is one of the most thorough guides i have seen, and again, likely successful for the persistent and willing to learn. I personally would go for it, especially since you have no warranty, or bill paid for it. But i'm a bit of a risktaker, and i fully enjoy learning something new. So it's sad to see you give up, and again, i would encourage you to learn it thoroughly and do it! You'll learn lots that will benefit you if you were to continue using a) htc devices, b) android devices, c) linux..
Where I find the ROM without kernel , u have any link plz send
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First off, you have to do the legwork. Mostly because you know more about your device, or should, than i would, a different device owner. For example, I'm assuming it's gsm, but i don't know which version of android you are on. I'd like to know precisely how you went about unlocking it, i.e. if it involved a fastboot oem unlock. if so, your first order of business is to create a nandroid backup, in case you need it later [i'm not sure if this was covered in your rooting thread, since search is temporarily unavailable.]
adb, fastboot, and cwm in one folder
cd to that folder
adb devices
adb reboot-bootloader
fastboot devices
fastboot boot *cwm.img*
backup
reboot now
then you must transfer that backup, i.e. back it up to your computer as well in the case that you wipe your phone's contents.
Again, that is a must and your first step.
As far as rom without kernel, i'd look for threads labeled [ROM], mentioning a stock kernel. I'd have to do a little bit of research to find the ins and outs of how to flash with s-on, but it is said to be possible.
FYI, i put CM7.2.1RC on my htc liberty about 2 years ago with s-on.
CM 10 is as of yet unsupported for your device.
Read many threads in your device's development section. There are some automated tools that may be able to help you, such as one by flashmaniac.
Overall, if you decide to flash, i'd say your best bet is s-off, or 4ext smart recovery to at least help protect against flashing kernel. If you proceed, you will learn A LOT.
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Sorry for the noob question. Ive read many forums and not found astraight answer. I know the answer is out there, just want to get this thing rooted though. My evo 3d is running software version 2.08.651.2. Everything is entirely sock right now. I want root for wireless tether and overclock.
This software meqns i am running hboot 1.5 doesnt it? If so which methods work for root? Ive found several methods and watched several videos. If i try and choose the wrong method what are the consequences? If i couod post links id link the stuff ive found. Thanks guys is it true that the htc method does not achieve s-off?
The software version and hboot version isn't entirely connected 100%.
To check which hboot version you have, you'll have to remove the battery, put it back in, and then hold "Volume Down" button and then power on the phone (Most phones don't require having to remove the battery, but the EVO apparently does, as i found out the hard way after 20 times trying to get into recovery..)
It'll say something along the lines of:
*** LOCKED ***
SHOOTER_U PVT SHIP S-ON RL
HBOOT-x.xx.xxxx
Reply with the HBOOT version and i can tell you more. (or someone else can)
If you try and root and S-OFF with the wrong methods, wrong tools, wrong phone etc, you could potentially brick the phone (which, as it sounds, means it'll be just as useful as a brick, since you can't do anything on it.. at all), but that is an absolute worst case scenario, and it will not happen if you do it correctly (which might sound hard, with all the technical mumbo jumbo, but it is actully quite easy).
The officla HTC Method does indeed not achieve S-OFF, so it's not an optimal solution.
Moonbloom said:
The software version and hboot version isn't entirely connected 100%.
To check which hboot version you have, you'll have to remove the battery, put it back in, and then hold "Volume Down" button and then power on the phone (Most phones don't require having to remove the battery, but the EVO apparently does, as i found out the hard way after 20 times trying to get into recovery..)
It'll say something along the lines of:
*** LOCKED ***
SHOOTER_U PVT SHIP S-ON RL
HBOOT-x.xx.xxxx
Reply with the HBOOT version and i can tell you more. (or someone else can)
If you try and root and S-OFF with the wrong methods, wrong tools, wrong phone etc, you could potentially brick the phone (which, as it sounds, means it'll be just as useful as a brick, since you can't do anything on it.. at all), but that is an absolute worst case scenario, and it will not happen if you do it correctly (which might sound hard, with all the technical mumbo jumbo, but it is actully quite easy).
The officla HTC Method does indeed not achieve S-OFF, so it's not an optimal solution.
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So, do i need s-off? Im kind of a noob, so really advanced functiojs arent really useful yet. Ive read a few threads trying to figure what s-off is exactly, and it sounds like all it does is open a few extra commands over root. Kind of what i understand busybox does in others. I may misunderstand though. If i go ahead with the htc method of root and revolutionary figures out the s-off next week will i still be able to acheive s-off?
This is somewhat unrelated, but if, when i need to repoace an existing file with a new onein say astro, can i simply rename the old one with like a .bbb on the end and not move it? At several poihts in theroot process you are required to replace an existing file with a new one of the same name. Then replace the old one, or delete the added one. Can I just rename the old one, then put the name back and delete the new one to revert?
Indeed my phone is Hboot version 1.5. It reads
Locked
shooter xc ship s-on rL
Hboot-1.50.0000
Emmc-boot
Aug 7 2011, 10:21:40
So with 1.5 my only option is HTC method? With my tab I am able to completely uninstall and unroot as I please. Is the same true here? can someone link me a video of someone dependable doing it the HTC way? if I post my plan for rooting here will someone let me know if I'm off base so I don't brick my phone?
Can someone tell me the deal with cwm? Does it work or not? If its both ways, then what are the conditions under which it fails? Do I need to install cwm and twrp? What should I plan to do if cwm fails to install?
Another noob question. What is pushing a file exactly, and how and why is it done? I really don't want to get half way through this and discover I dont know what in gods name I'm doing.
I think I read on xda somewhere that if you turn of fastboot in the settings you dont have to remove the battery.
That's a lot of questions, a lot of this info can be found in the wikis and guides in the development section, but I can probably answer a few.
S-on is the encrypted bootloader, you need a special signature to he able to flash any ROMs or anything else to the system. Only HTC has the keys. So s-off allows you to install a custom recovery or anything else that can rewrite to the system.
From what I read so far HTC so called unlocked is not s-off like we are used to. People are having trouble flashing recoveries and kernels to their phones. I haven't payed much attention to the HTC method cause I used the unrevoked method.
You don't need s-off to flash ROMs but I guess if you want complete control over your phone (like the ability to flash bootloaders and various recoveries) you need to be s-off.
If you want to replace a file in the system name the old file extention .bak and then drop the new file in. Reboot to complete the changes. To revert, delete the modified file and just rename and take off the .bak extension.
As of now yes your only method of unlocking is using the HTC method with the 1.50 bootloader. CWM works fine and I think its the only compatible recovery with the 1.50 BL, TWRP is more polished and has a few added functions. I don't know when unrevoked will crack 1.5. Eventually they will.
If you don't know what in gods name your doing, don't mess with it until you do or understand the directions. Go though the general and q&a because I know there are already threads discussing setbacks and situations that your asking about.
Hope this helps.
One other thing to note is you need a different than stock kernal to overclock
Drewmungus said:
One other thing to note is you need a different than stock kernal to overclock
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The problem is HTC's unlock method DOES NOT allow you to flash a kernel! I repeat, it DOES NOT allow you to flash a kernel. I would highly suggest waiting for AlphaRevX and Unrevoked to implement the latest HBOOT to be supported in their tool. It is being worked on and when it is done it will give 100% s-off and unlock nand write protection(or eMMC in our case). It will allow you to flash kernels, radios and whatever else your heart desires. I suggest holding off until Revolutionary is updated. They will then tell you if you need to do HTC's method before theirs or not. If you use HTC's method and then Revolutionary is updated and you want full unlock, there is no way to know if you are screwed or not. We really need a sticky thread describing the difference between the 2 unlock methods and the benefits of each one. There are tons of posts in Q&A and General about 'I have HBOOT 1.50, can I overclock my phone?'...The answer is NO, because you have to be able to flash custom kernels to overclock and HTC is not going to allow that to happen. If they did they would have tons of returned devices from people screwing up their phones from overclocking and flashing radios and what not. It really makes sense to me why HTC didn't fully unlock the phone, but if you wait for the Revolutionary tool to be updated, it will. By then we may even have the latest source code for HTC's 2.3.4 kernel and will have custom kernels to play with. Right now there is no overclockable kernels for the latest update from HTC because they haven't released the kernel source yet.
thats confirmed, no kernel. and dont try. screws things up a little. reflashed. no change. you think if i flash the stock kernel it would let me? i think probably not. rom was doing fine till i attempted kernel though. synergy. its nice. lot nicer with s-off im sure.
Almost a month ago I bought an HTC Evo 3D (My first android phone) and I want to root it but I have a few questions before I do so.
1. Do I have to back up everything on my phone before I actually root the phone? I know it's always a good idea to back up before doing things like this but I really want to know is in the process of rooting my phone will I lose everything (Contacts or anything that's not on my SD card)?
2. What ROM should I use keeping in mind I want to retain the 3d functionality of my phone? Alls I really want right now is a ROM without CIQ but still has HTC Sense3.0.
Please note I have researched this online and came across a few articles on how to actually do the rooting (here and here). I am thinking I don't want to use HTC's method of unlocking the bootloader.
My phone's info:
Carrier: Sprint
Phone: HTC Evo 3D (duh)
Hboot version: 1.5
trm96 said:
Almost a month ago I bought an HTC Evo 3D (My first android phone) and I want to root it but I have a few questions before I do so.
1. Do I have to back up everything on my phone before I actually root the phone? I know it's always a good idea to back up before doing things like this but I really want to know is in the process of rooting my phone will I lose everything (Contacts or anything that's not on my SD card)?
2. What ROM should I use keeping in mind I want to retain the 3d functionality of my phone? Alls I really want right now is a ROM without CIQ but still has HTC Sense3.0.
Please note I have researched this online and came across a few articles on how to actually do the rooting (here and here). I am thinking I don't want to use HTC's method of unlocking the bootloader.
My phone's info:
Carrier: Sprint
Phone: HTC Evo 3D (duh)
Hboot version: 1.5
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Well if your Hboot 1.5 then your stuck with HTC dev method nothing you can do about it unless you wanna wait a year for another method.
I never backed any of my stuff up since after you root no point in it. If you wanna unroot you need to have the stock recovery zip which is easy also the stock PC86IMG.ZIP and fastboot oem lock and your unrooted
Not hard to do....
There is really no need to backup all of your stuff to root, as you will not lose anything. I recently rooted my 3d which is hboot 1.5 using the htc dev method, (which as said is the only method currently for hboot) and found it rather easy to follow. Although this doesnt give you the highly sought after "s-off" but it does give you complete root access to your phone, the ability to use apps that require root access and install custom roms/kernels Definitely install a custom recovery and go ahead and do a nandroid backup there, that will backup your entire phone. MAKE SURE you do that before flashing any custom roms/kernels.
As for suggesting a rom I can't really suggest one right now. I have only been researching/using evo3d roms for a few weeks now and to keep functionality the only way is to stay with a sense rom, as most aosp roms are not quite there in terms of wifi/4g/camera/3d capabilities etc. There are plenty of sense roms out there with removed bloatware, and custom themes. Just browse the appropriate development subtopic for your carrier and check out some of the threads listed, most of the devs will be there to answer any questions you may have. But just check a few out, and if you dont like them, no biggie just restore or move on to a different rom. happy rooting.
1. Do I have to back up everything on my phone before I actually root the phone? I know it's always a good idea to back up before doing things like this but I really want to know is in the process of rooting my phone will I lose everything (Contacts or anything that's not on my SD card)?
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If you are on hboot 1.5, the htcdev method WILL factory reset your phone, meaning you will lose everything. So only you can answer that question, if you dont want to backup your data, are you ok with losing everything?
2. What ROM should I use keeping in mind I want to retain the 3d functionality of my phone? Alls I really want right now is a ROM without CIQ but still has HTC Sense3.0.
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As you are new here, you might not know that you don't have to flash a rom when rooting. You can just stay on the stock rom if you want to, and enjoy the benefits of being rooted while on the stock rom. But if you want to flash a rom without CIQ, most of the roms in the dev section already removed it, and the ones with sense 3.0 are labeled so in the titles. As to which one, well that's the beauty of rooting, there is no "best rom" for anyone. Just make a backup of your current rom, and flash a new one. If you dont like it, restore your backup.
I am thinking I don't want to use HTC's method of unlocking the bootloader.
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Well there is no other way of rooting hboot 1.5.
Just do it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1239821
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1447839
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Thank you
I want to thank all of you for your quick and meaningful responses!
i'm not sure how to root on hboot 1.5(if thats what you have) or how to flash with it. but personally, i like using mikrunney v1.06 as my daily rom. everything functions correctly (except 4g i think) but that's not big deal.
and with backing up, everyone else answered that already
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i'm not sure how to root on hboot 1.5(if thats what you have) or how to flash with it. but personally, i like using mikrunney v1.06 as my daily rom. everything functions correctly (except 4g i think) but that's not big deal.
and with backing up, everyone else answered that already
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Thanks for the info, yes my hboot is indeed 1.5.
***SORRY, I REALISE I HAVE POSTED IN THE WRONG SECTION, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN Q&A, COULD A MOD PLEASE MOVE IT, SORRY***
I feel like i'm being a right royal pain in the as* asking this, but will someone please give me a few pointers on where to start with the rooting process please. I know most of you will be thinking "read the stickies and the forum posts" which i promise you i have for nearly two weeks now, but its an absolute minefield of information and i honestly don't know where to start. This is my first Android handset and the first time i have used the Android operating system, and this is the information i can give you about the handset i have, and by the way, its a european gsm handset with no branding and open to any carrier if this helps..........
Its an HTC Evo 3D X515m
Running Android 2.3.4
Software 1.20.401.8, and when i looked to check my HBOOT (i think thats what its called from reading other posts) this is what i see........
***Locked***
SHOOTER_U PUT SHIP S-ON RL
HBOOT-1.49.0018
eMMC-boot
oct 3 2011, 15.03.01
From what i can gather from reading the forums i think i need to first get my bootloader to 1.49.007, and to achieve this i firstly installed a file, which was, PG86IMG.zip onto my sd card, let my handset find it, and reboot in bootloader..........but nothing at all happened. I have no idea if i am barking up the wrong tree or whatever. I also read on many posts that you can unlock using a process on htcdev.com, but there are conflicting views on this, and some people say a lot of roms wont load. I really hope someone will take a little time out to help me with this please, and hopefully once i gain the know-how, i to may be able to help someone else in my situation.....poor devil lol...........Thanks
For rooting your evo 3d you dont need to downgrade your hboot.
The first thing you need to do is to unlock your bootloader, the easy way, htcdev.com
Then you can install SU, and a custom rom, etc., but there is a problem, you cant install roms that came with custom kernels because you are s-on, and if you want to do s-off you need to downgrade your hboot to 1.49.0007.
There are a way to install a custom kernel if you are s-on, you need to extract it from the rom (boot.img) and run it to you phone with adb.
The only thing you need to do is read more.
This post helped me a lot to downgrade my hboot. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1495657
This is for me the best rom for the evo until now http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1245424
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1541210
neildunne said:
***SORRY, I REALISE I HAVE POSTED IN THE WRONG SECTION, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN Q&A, COULD A MOD PLEASE MOVE IT, SORRY***
***Locked***
SHOOTER_U PUT SHIP S-ON RL
HBOOT-1.49.0018
eMMC-boot
oct 3 2011, 15.03.01
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In short, you need to downgrade your HBOOT, get to 1.49.0007,
Use this thread to achieve this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1471246
Ask there, if it's possible.
Then use the revolutionary tool found here http://revolutionary.io/
To use revolutionary, click windows (if that's what your on) then run through the process, there is a walkthrough on one of the posts in the dev thread
(this one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1535987)
it's pretty easy, make sure you have adb installed, or at the least the ability to use adb even without the full sdk.
After that you will be S-OFF (security off) you can also install a custom recovery using revolutionarys tool aswell, do so, leave a comment to tell them it worked and say thank you, always say thank you to people who help u.
Download a decent rom, if your GSM then get mikrunny, if your CDMA then use something else, or stick with mikrunny, pop it on your sd card then go to recovery and flash it.
To do this, turn off fastboot from within the device, power off, when powering back on, hold vol down first and then power don't let go, navigate the bootloader using vol up and down, use power to select, click recovery, back up, then wipe data / factory reset, wipe cache and dalvic cache and then install your rom.
That's it.
PS: The hardest thing you will have to do is downgrading hboot, i've never had to do this but it doesn't look impossible and IF YOU LOOK!, the walkthrough here looks pretty good so you should be fine.
There are threads to help you with things like adb if it seems a little daunting, if you think that they do, then you need to research a little more before you jump in, the worst thing you can do with android is give your phone to someone else and let them do everything, just so u can reap the rewards, get your hands dirty a little and get used to doing it yourself, majority of us did and were better for it.
Assume that your on your own because you will only get minimal advice from questions, no one is going to do it for you.
Good luck m8, you'll be fine
I was in EXACTLY the same position as you (same phone versions etc). Just follow this: http://appcounter.blogspot.com/2012/02/installing-custom-rom-for-htc-evo-3d.html
Use my script, everything except that is bull**** and takes too long.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1495657
if your cid is on the list, you are good to go.
Meet the requierments and go ahead.
Flashmaniac said:
Use my script, everything except that is bull**** and takes too long.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1495657
if your cid is on the list, you are good to go.
Meet the requierments and go ahead.
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Doesn't your way invalidate the phone warranty? I.e. no way to put phone back to original state if you need to send it back to HTC?
my-planet said:
Doesn't your way invalidate the phone warranty? I.e. no way to put phone back to original state if you need to send it back to HTC?
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what do you think, does the link you put here two posts before?
That even does not work as described, when u are not on the correct softwareversion. Yes, my way does void the warranty. As every way of rooting does....but if you s-off and run a ruu the **RELOCKED** will be gone I think
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Doesn't your way invalidate the phone warranty? I.e. no way to put phone back to original state if you need to send it back to HTC?
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If you tamper with your phone, using the official method or any of the ways stated here, they will all void your warranty.
My apologies, to the OP i wasn't aware that there was an easier way to get to have s-off etc.
All i know is, the way i wrote will work, if the other way is easier then go with that
Yes, of course all this voids your warranty, but the method I linked to (as far as I understand) would not show RELOCKED when putting back to stock. Which means HTC will honour any warranty claim.
From your guide flashmaniac, the first thing you tell to do is unlock via HTC's method. From what I understand that will show unlocked, and when trying to put back to stock, it will show relocked.
Apologies if I have this wrong, as there is 'too' much information out there, and no clear way of knowing what's wrong/right/possible.
Thanks.
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Yes, of course all this voids your warranty, but the method I linked to (as far as I understand) would not show RELOCKED when putting back to stock. Which means HTC will honour any warranty claim.
From your guide flashmaniac, the first thing you tell to do is unlock via HTC's method. From what I understand that will show unlocked, and when trying to put back to stock, it will show relocked.
Apologies if I have this wrong, as there is 'too' much information out there, and no clear way of knowing what's wrong/right/possible.
Thanks.
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N thats it ...
If you unlock your bootloader the HTCdev way, you will never ever be able to set it to LOCKED without changing the Evos motherboard because this way is a hardware modification ...
But its more secure Anyway Id recommend you to downgrade your HBOOT to .xxx7 by flashing an older firmware, then use Revolutionary to s-off and flashing a rooted ROM will do everything you will ever want!
I also used the HTC Unlock, but I regree doing that ... So please dont do this, because HTC gets your S/N AND your verification, so they´ll always know youve unlocked your bootloader this way...
Apart from that HTC does not charge you if you get a hardware problem because this has nothing to do with unlocking your bootloader ... Do it as you want
River
River99 said:
Anyway Id recommend you to downgrade your HBOOT to .xxx7 by flashing an older firmware, then use Revolutionary to s-off and flashing a rooted ROM will do everything you will ever want!
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Which is exactly what that link describes for you, in a very simple step by step noob way.
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Which is exactly what that link describes for you, in a very simple step by step noob way.
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As I said before, that tutorial won't work if you are not on the correct sw version.
You wanna do hardware modifications using software? That's fun lol.
Yummy ics
Flashmaniac said:
As I said before, that tutorial won't work if you are not on the correct sw version.
You wanna do hardware modifications using software? That's fun lol.
Yummy ics
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Classic Lol.
#Root-Hack_Mod*Always\
Can i say a big thanks to everyone that has offered their help and advice with rooting my device. Sorry i haven't replied earlier but i've been on shifts at work :-( I find the whole process very intimidating, but today i took Flashmaniacs advice and unlocked my Evo using HTCDEV.com, which i must say i found very straighforward lol. Now i think my next step is to work out how to do a backup of my Evo before i go any further, and work out how to flash a rom.........Is that the right order?
I would suggest to order soup first, but it's tasty even without it.
Odoslané z môjho HTC EVO 3D X515m cez Tapatalk
Lately I have read many posts with wrong assumptions about S-OFF. I am writing this post in General to clear up to many of you what S-OFF is and isn't.
To start off, S-OFF has nothing to do with your phone being rooted. I've seen people post that S-OFF means a "full" root, or "permanent" root. Those terms aren't even correct, root is just another user on the linux system, and you either have access to it or you don't. Rooting your phone and what that entails is out of the scope of this writeup.
When your device is shipped, your bootloader will show the flag S-ON. This stands for Security-On. What this security does is protect the NAND partitions (ie: the boot partition, the recovery partition, the radio, the system partition...) from being permanently modified at all. Basically, all changes made to these partitions while the phone is running is not permanent, and will be reset upon a reboot. Also, while your phone is S-ON, all firmware zips (ie: PJ75IMG.zip) must be digitally signed by HTC in order to be flashed through the bootloader.
When your device is set to S-OFF, the security is turned off. This allows you to modify any partition on the device, and changes will not be reset upon a reboot. Also, the signature checking of the firmware zips (ie: PJ75IMG.zip) is disabled, allowing users to flash unsigned firmware zips containing the separate images of the partitions. S-OFF gives the user great power over the device, but also comes with much responsibility to be careful.
I have seen many posts stating the term "S-OFF root". As I stated earlier, S-OFF and root are completely different things. When you have S-OFF in the bootloader, you then can flash a package containing Superuser.apk and the su binary, which in turn will give you root in the file system when the device is booted. Again, S-OFF does not mean you have root. You can have S-OFF set (if there was an S-OFF exploit released) on the stock phone running the stock unchanged ROM, and not have root in the file system because you haven't pushed/flashed the Superuser.apk and su binaries on your phone yet.
I have also seen many posts about people not "trusting" the bootloader unlock at HTCdev. Yes, we all know that it does not set the bootloader to S-OFF, but it does unlock the partitions that are needed to flash a custom recovery, and through that flash a custom ROM. This is probably the most trustworthy way to "unlock" the bootloader. Any S-OFF method released here in the future will most likely be a hack to make it work. Imagine if HTC gave out the radio S-OFF unlock. That would mean ANYONE (specifically people who are very flash happy) could find a random radio firmware zip which.. oops.. isn't for the correct device, flash it through the S-OFF bootloader, and brick their device. Releasing the limited unlocking was very smart by HTC, and will definitely save many phones from ending up in the graveyard.
Now I am not saying I do not want S-OFF haha. As a developer, S-OFF is well needed and is extremely useful. It's definitely being worked on. But for the average flasher, (of ROMs, not human parts ) radio S-OFF is not needed.
Hope this clears up confusion about what S-ON and S-OFF is. I will add to this as I feel necessary, and to clear up some of my sentences (Sometimes I start typing before I finish thinking of what I'm going to type).
Thank you.
Thank you soooo much haha so many people were confused about it...
A good example is my moms phone. She has an evo 3d and I made it s-off with eng hboot in case I sell it at a later time. Currently it's not rooted at all, but if I want to considering my bootloader's unlocked I could easily flash a recovery and then flash superuser which in turn gives me root
make the subject a bit more clearer
cuz when i saw it i thought that you had s-off for us lol
please sticky this!
If I may add to this discussion ...
If you do not already know these terms and what they mean you should probably not be attempting to root your phone yet
You should instead invest some time reading and learning first.
Unreasnbl said:
If I may add to this discussion ...
If you do not already know these terms and what they mean you should probably not be attempting to root your phone yet
You should instead invest some time reading and learning first.
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Or, rather, you should not be attempting to gain access to the root user / superuser account and privileges on your phone.
Updated the title just for clarity. If there's anything someone disagrees with or would like to add to the OP, let me know here and I'll see what I can do. And I definitely agree with Unreasnbl. It may be a pain in the a$$ to read before jumping into things, but seriously, it will help so much when it comes understanding.
Unreasnbl said:
If I may add to this discussion ...
If you do not already know these terms and what they mean you should probably not be attempting to root your phone yet
You should instead invest some time reading and learning first.
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I rooted, with S-off, and flashed my phone before I understood any of these terms lol. Just by following instructions clearly.
But then later I learned all of these things.
But yes, you are absolutely correct.
edit: this is a good, valuable post op. Thank you.
arozer said:
I rooted, with S-off, and flashed my phone before I understood any of these terms lol. Just by following instructions clearly.
But then later I learned all of these things.
But yes, you are absolutely correct.
edit: this is a good, valuable post op. Thank you.
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I think you just prooved the OP correct, you shouldn't have S-OFF, because it doesn't exist yet and you don't need it and that's probably good for person that thinks they rooted with S-off.
Thank you
Thank you for the great info! While not a noob(have had rooted, s-off OG 4G, and 3D, just rooted EVO LTE), I don't understand, nor want to, at an advanced level, Linux, ADB,FASTBOOT, etc. I like making my phone my own, and like flashing ROM's. I tried to use the HTC method of unlocking, but am just not comfortable with my skills to try and use SDK/ADB/FASTBOOT. Perhaps I can find someone in San Antonio to show me, but unless/until, I'll wait for someone such as yourself to provide a "dumbed-down" method. Again, thanks for sharing your knowledge and expertise.
Update: Couldn't stand it..went ahead, carefully reading and following instructions, and did HTC unlock. Had a few issues with TWRP, and flashing ViperROM, due to internal/sd configuration, but moved things to their proper place with ROM toolbox. Everything in it's place, and my phone running like I like it for almost 24 hours with no issues, other than the hilarious HTC warning at boot screen.
Thanks regaw for taking your time with this. If you don't end up with 500 thanks ill be shocked lol
I personally want S-Off.
Mainly because I prefer not notify HTC that I'm unlocked.
Occasionally it's fun to dabble in trying newer radios and is sometimes required for later releases of the OS. Radio firmware can add or take away some functionality as well (like VPN).
Yes, we know it's dangerous, it's pretty rare folks dork their phones because they had s-off. But one of the worst examples is the flash happy folks on the EVO 3D that flashed Virgin Mobile firmware and should not have (myself included).
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dongarritas said:
Thank you for the great info! While not a noob(have had rooted, s-off OG 4G, and 3D, just rooted EVO LTE), I don't understand, nor want to, at an advanced level, Linux, ADB,FASTBOOT, etc. I like making my phone my own, and like flashing ROM's. I tried to use the HTC method of unlocking, but am just not comfortable with my skills to try and use SDK/ADB/FASTBOOT. Perhaps I can find someone in San Antonio to show me, but unless/until, I'll wait for someone such as yourself to provide a "dumbed-down" method. Again, thanks for sharing your knowledge and expertise.
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It's really not that hard. No harder than figuring out how to use recovery, bootloader etc.. The current root procedure you just did on the LTE used ADB !! Just follow procedures.
Unreasnbl said:
If I may add to this discussion ...
If you do not already know these terms and what they mean you should probably not be attempting to root your phone yet
You should instead invest some time reading and learning first.
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Maybe you could direct them to some good reading material -- like the first post.
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Great thread, Daniel.
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mswlogo said:
I think you just prooved the OP correct, you shouldn't have S-OFF, because it doesn't exist yet and you don't need it and that's probably good for person that thinks they rooted with S-off.
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Nice try at being a smart ass bro, but I was talking about when I first started, on the htc Evo 4G.
Before that I had the incredible and droid 1 and I just used the one click roots.
Great post. I don't like it when people use the incorrect terms either, and have made similar posts on other forums, specifically relating to the OG. I usually recommend that noobs that "want to root" use the HTC unlocker because, as you pointed out, it's a safer solution for those that don't really know what they're doing.
Unfortunately, because that process is somewhat involved, many users new to Android or just not technically inclined prefer to use what this community has to offer. That's good, I suppose, as that's one of the reasons this community exists, but I strongly feel like it takes away some user responsibility to get to know their device. If people would take the time to learn about adb and fastboot and find out what an RUU is and what the /misc partition is, I feel like there would a lot more contributors on this forum than whining leechers.
I've personally never been one to follow instructions without first at least trying to understand what I'm doing, but I guess not everyone is like that.
At any rate, thanks for the post, and I'm sure I'll see everyone around a bit more once Amazon finally delivers my phone.
Very informational.But just to clarify:
If I were to have S-OFF, I can repartition the onboard storage so that instead of having 2gb of app storage, I can have say 6 or 10gb? That's what I really want to do.
Thanks for clarifying this OP. I personally knew what S-OFF meant but alot of folks on this phone are obviously new to roooting and had no idea about any of this.
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Thank you for the clarification
first of all I have an essentially full stock sprint evo 3d
im tired of whats on it and its time for a root
HOWEVER
i have never rooted flashed modded etc any phone i have ever owner (except old windows mobile to get android)
this is the rom i want http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1831841
but i dont know what i need to do ahead of time
i know i need to root it but someone mentions needing version 1.4????? what is that and how do i do it
i also want to create a backup of the factory settings in case something goes wrong...
PLEASE HELP AND SORRY IF I SOUND WAY TO SUPER NOOBY
by the way here is all my phone info
Go to HTCDev.com
Unlock your bootloader (DON'T run the ruu)
Find and flash a recovery (I use TWRP, 4EXT is also a very good choice)
In the dev forum, find a stock, rooted ICS rom (Virus has one posted)
Flash it
Get S-off using "juopunutbear"'s wire trick method (go to "unlimited.io")
Flash Freeza's firmware for HBOOT 1.40
All done
I was in much the same boat as you a few months ago. The best advice I can give you is to read like crazy, three or more write ups before you do any thing. Also read the posts after the main write ups for common problems.
I would also suggest the htcdev unlock first. They have a good guide on their site. It will also help build your confidence. =).
Find video walk throughs on YouTube, on any thing you want to do too. In short there is a lot of resources out there and a strong community of people who love what open source is all about, that want you to love it too.
Post.Script. doing the wire trick for s-off is scary, but it really does work.
Happy modding!
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