where's the love - Nexus 10 General

I thought this device would take off. Seems to sell a lot on play store. Where are all the developers? Where are the accessories and brand name cases. Etc? I like mine and haven't had problems. Can anyone explain?

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I think the device is starting to move more. Hopefully more accessories will follow. I would love an Otterbox............

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kgreen66 said:
I thought this device would take off. Seems to sell a lot on play store. Where are all the developers? Where are the accessories and brand name cases. Etc? I like mine and haven't had problems. Can anyone explain?
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Limited distribution primarily. It's impacted the N7 based on holiday sales. Asus said they were shipping 1MM N7's a month in Q3. In Q4 they sold a total of 3.1MM tablets including the N7, TF300, and TF700. So even with the holiday selling period you can assume the N7 dropped off from the 1MM a month shipping rate. That or Asus only sold 100K TF300/700's. Samsung shipped 7.99MM tablets in Q4 (unlike Asus, they don't count Google devices in their sales counts) and the G-Tab 2 7" and 10" saw huge growth in YOY sales; primarily because of price reductions and Samsung's massive distribution network. The Kindle Fire was the best selling non-Apple tablet in Q4. Amazon has a huge distribution network too and is a household name. Google is is a household name but for search not h/w.
The other component to weak Nexus sales is lack of features. We on XDA care about Teg3 and Exynos 5, the masses care about things like an IR port to control their TV's from their tablets and free content for being an Amazon Prime member. Nexus devices are great for Android enthusiasts but kind of barren compared to other tablets. That would explain why Amazon sold 6MM Kindle Fire's compared to the less than 3MM N7's Asus sold when they are both the same price.
Also, high-end Android tablets that bump up against iPad pricing have never sold well. Samsung was selling 1MM Note's a month in Q3 but primarily because S Pen differentiated it. At $499 with 32GB of storage the N10 is no bargain when it's singular differentiating feature is its display. Add limited distribution to the picture and I'd be surprised if Google's even broken 1MM in N10 sales yet. The G-Tab 3 Plus is supposed to be Samsung's version of the N10. It'll be interesting to see how well it sells at the same price based on the additional Samsung features and breadth of their distribution network.
This is what sold over the holidays and you'll notice the N7 is fourth behind the KF and two G-Tab 2's. I keep mentioning the N7 primarily because if a Nexus tablet was going to sell well the N7 at $199 would be it. If the N7's lagging, the prospects for the N10 being a tremendous seller at $399+ are poor.
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Barry: some good info there. Could have done without the Samsung biased speculation though. Do you seriously think a load of gtab's were sold because of the ir blaster? they sold because they had huge price cuts/rebates. I myself brought my Mrs a gtab 7 because it was rebated to about £105.
I don't think that many N10's have even been made. In the UK at least, they sold out weeks before Xmas on the play store. Its only in the last few weeks you've been able to buy one with a 3-5 day delivery time.
As for the N7, seems to have sold well as far as I can tell. Again, the 3G version totally sold out over Xmas and even the 32gb was on a several week delivery time. Ditto N4.
Truth is, I don't think Google ever intended to sell too many nexus products. They make naff all on them, and they aren't even made by googles manufacturer! Seeding the market, and building a brand seem the main objectives as far as I can tell.

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I don't buy Nexus devices for XDA support, I buy Google devices for priority Google support..
Also to the OP. Non-Google device forums are usually always busier than Nexus device forums because most of those developers are racing to do the best job of reverse developing the devices stock ROM to something resembling AOSP. Where as with Nexus devices all that reverse engineering isn't needed.
There are plenty of ROMs here,a and plenty of kernels..

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The user experience lately on Nexus devices has increased a lot - JBQ mentioned the nexus 10 is the most open-source a device has ever been...
As such, there's actually less need to get hacking, as Google has started to make AOSP a lot more "aligned" with the features people wanted from custom ROMs (which makes sense).
I'd reckon a lot of people are using their N10 on stock with root, perfectly happily, tbh.

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stiggy2012 said:
Could have done without the Samsung biased speculation though. Do you seriously think a load of gtab's were sold because of the ir blaster? they sold because they had huge price cuts/rebates.
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We'll never know for sure what role features play in people's decision making. Your speculation that they don't matter is no more informed then my speculation they do.
I'll offer some anecdotal evidence that features matter. The KF sold 26% more units YOY over the holidays when last year it had no real competition at the price point. And it's running a limited and forked version of Android that ties people to Amazon for content. The Galaxy Nexus was available at the same subsidized prices via quite a few major carriers as the SGS2/3 and Sensation/One X yet sold only 750K units compared to tens of millions of non-Nexus devices that they were on the display floor (or web) sitting next to.
While Google doesn't spend as much on advertising as Samsung and Amazon anyone who searches on "best tablets" or "best smartphones" would see comparisons that all rate the current Nexus devices very highly. So it isn't as if people buying other phones and tablets didn't know they existed. The 16GB G-Tab 2 was $229 for the 7" and $349 for the 10" (only $50 less than the Exynos 5/2560x1600/2GB RAM N10) over the holidays both with inferior processors and displays compared to the N7 and N10. Why do you (or others) think they outsold "better" featured and reviewed Nexus competitors? At least we agree that distribution and name recognition play an important role so maybe the answer is there's value in walking in to a store and picking one up off the shelf. But globally I'd imagine picking up a KF off the shelf isn't much easier than a N7.
Truth is, I don't think Google ever intended to sell too many nexus products. They make naff all on them, and they aren't even made by googles manufacturer! Seeding the market, and building a brand seem the main objectives as far as I can tell.
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Agreed. The botched availability of the N4 whose launch pissed off more people than it pleased is testament. But that brings us back to OP's original question about the N10 taking off. With limited distribution and a $399/499 price tag it'll most likely sell in smaller quantities over its lifespan than more available competitive products rendering it a niche device. But if the G-Tab 3 Plus ends up selling well with the same h/w and same price as the N10 would you credit that 100% to it being more available? Just curious.

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My guess is because it doesn't have a normal distribution. I know Staples and Walmart have them in the states but not in Canada. If they had them in Bestbuys and Futureshop then we would see more accessories.
If I am correct, the Galaxy Tab 3 plus should sell at a decent pace.

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Tomatoes8 said:
My guess is because it doesn't have a normal distribution. I know Staples and Walmart have them in the states but not in Canada. If they had them in Bestbuys and Futureshop then we would see more accessories.
If I am correct, the Galaxy Tab 3 plus should sell at a decent pace.
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Agreed.
Even at Staples, you can only get the 32GB version. That eliminates all the potential customers that are looking for a cheaper alternative to the iPad, since the 32GB is the same price as the entry level iPad.

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I think Google's master plan with the Nexus line was to get developers into the play store and also to get companies to make accessories...Not sure how they are doing on the accessories front but I think its pretty deplorable that a samsung/google hasn't released an official pogo charger yet especially given the poor charging that happens with the stock charger. I keep hoping it will come out but I'm starting to think it is about to be too late for them to make an official one -- have to rely on third party vendors for it