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i just got this phone a few days ago. i love it. nothing wrong with it.
super fast and everything. im on 2.3.6. no issues. my battery lasts 12 hours easy. and actually up to 26 hours so far.
i dont even feel the need for a custom rom. at least not for now.
but one thing that makes me mad is how slow the phone charges, anyone know why this is ? it's kinda frustrating lol
any way to change this ?
also....i kinda hate that there is no camera button on the actual phone. oh well.
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well i dont like to charge unless my battery is on red. so that conflicts, its not always red when i go to sleep. but thanks i'll check it out.
and i dont want to unlock to camera. it's easier to take photos with a button is what im saying
mrljlamon said:
well i dont like to charge unless my battery is on red. so that conflicts, its not always red when i go to sleep. but thanks i'll check it out.
and i dont want to unlock to camera. it's easier to take photos with a button is what im saying
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If I remember correctly waiting till the battery is completely depleted is not a good thing for our batteries.
i never said completely depleted though.
and yea ive read so many reviews to not do that, and reviews that say you should... and reviews to charge it this much and that much and blah blah. may be a new phone, but none of this is new to me.
Charge current is hardware limited from what I've read. Or atleast for the time being. If your using the phone while charging it'll be significantly slower. Also using wallplug makes a difference. If you've got stuff running while charging try throttling down the CPU while charging.
Other than that I think our phone is limited to 650mah to charge. So 1650/650 is about 2.5 hours with perfect efficiency. Now take into account the power being drawn and how the chargers for li batteries work, that's about 3-4 hrs to be expected.
And don't run li batteries all the way down on a regular basis, its not good. I'm not positive on li ion batteries, but with lipo you generally want to use about %80 of rated capacity to prolong life and power of the cell.
400 mA on USB, 650 on a wall charger, CPU/screen usage counts against these limits - no way to change this
Forgot where I read it. Could be wrong too.
Slow charging for this phone was samsungs way of keeping our phones battery in shape. Hopefully prolonging the life of it. I noticed my 3GS lose about 20% of its full capacity in a couple years. Only time will tell?
Siyah has an option to upping the charging mA I believe.
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all useful responses and all make sense. thank you guys.
i dont use it when it charges and yea it does take about 4 hours to charge.
coming from a crappy xperia x10 which took about 2 hours to charge from 0 to 100
but this phone is 10 times better even without a custom rom so i can deal.
thank you guys for ur knowledge.
jdbeitz said:
Siyah has an option to upping the charging mA I believe.
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He removed it because it turned out not to work. (If it's still there I'm surprised - it should be completely gone.)
It turns out the I9100 has the same limitation as the I777 - charging is handled not by the MAX8997, but by a MAX8922.
Entropy512 said:
He removed it because it turned out not to work. (If it's still there I'm surprised - it should be completely gone.)
It turns out the I9100 has the same limitation as the I777 - charging is handled not by the MAX8997, but by a MAX8922.
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Its still there. I have a 750mA charger and iit SEEMS to help but I don't know how to check it
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CurrentWidget
he removed the high ma charge back to defaults. you can still change them in voltage control but it wont do a damn thing. as entropy said 650 wall 450 misc.
My remix:
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SIYAH nara to the rest, I'm rollin with the best.
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Does that widget only show charging current?
According to currentwidget i am charging at 1850+ mA. So, that cant be right. I am not using any voltage controller.
thejanitor86 said:
According to currentwidget i am charging at 1850+ mA. So, that cant be right. I am not using any voltage controller.
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Enjoy the fireworks.
thejanitor86 said:
According to currentwidget i am charging at 1850+ mA. So, that cant be right. I am not using any voltage controller.
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Hmmm when I used to run a different widget it would report that, but not with current widget. However I'm on a different ROM now, what ROM you on?
I'm currently on the latest ICScrewed
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According to currentwidget i am charging at 1850+ mA. So, that cant be right. I am not using any voltage controller.
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If you are on Entropy's DD kernel you should divide that number by 2.85
Battery charge current monitoring (CurrentWidget) support - only reports charge current and not discharge, and reports a value 2.85 times the actual current. Use CurrentWidget's "operation on value" to divide by 2.85.
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Is there any way around this limit? Custom kernel etc.
It's really annoying that my phone discharges, albeit slowly, when using satnav and full screen brightness.
No, there is not. However, if you are using GPS in your car and your charger is detected as MISC or USB, you could increase that to 650mA.
Mine is detected as a charger, not MISC or USB, so I get the full 650mA but I need more current, probably 800mA would do the trick.
I wonder if fitting the new Samsung extended battery would increase the charging current.
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Mine is detected as a charger, not MISC or USB, so I get the full 650mA but I need more current, probably 800mA would do the trick.
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It would fry the phone, the battery or both.
gevans35 said:
I wonder if fitting the new Samsung extended battery would increase the charging current.
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No, it would increase battery life due to higher capacity, but not the charging current.
You could resolder a resistor on the phones motherboard, but there is no software way to get around the limit.
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Try shiyah kernel and voltage control
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Makrilli said:
Try shiyah kernel and voltage control
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Just to clarify so others don't keep spreading it, trying shiyah (sic) kernel with voltage control will not change anything, you are limited to 650mA.
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Try shiyah kernel and voltage control
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I looked at that but, apparently, although it shows a 950mA option, the phone still won't draw over 650mA.
veyka said:
You could resolder a resistor on the phones motherboard, but there is no software way to get around the limit.
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So it's hardware limited, how stupid .
My main use for a smartphone is satnav and one that goes flat after 500 miles is about as much use as a chocolate tea pot. I suppose my only option is to turn down the brightness and remember to go back to HTC for my next phone.
veyka said:
You could resolder a resistor on the phones motherboard, but there is no software way to get around the limit.
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So it's hardware limited, how annoying .
My main use for a smartphone is satnav and one that goes flat after 500 miles is about as much use as a chocolate tea pot. I suppose my only option is to turn down the brightness and remember to go back to HTC for my next phone.
gevans35 said:
My main use for a smartphone is satnav and one that goes flat after 500 miles is about as much use as a chocolate tea pot. I suppose my only option is to turn down the brightness and remember to go back to HTC for my next phone.
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Assuming your car charger is actually supplying 650mA and the phone is still losing charge, you're not entirely without options. For example, you could use a lower brightness (which you already acknowledge), limit the CPU frequency/disable one core or have your sat nav application turn off the screen between instructions.
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Assuming your car charger is actually supplying 650mA and the phone is still losing charge, you're not entirely without options. For example, you could use a lower brightness (which you already acknowledge), limit the CPU frequency/disable one core or have your sat nav application turn off the screen between instructions.
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Thanks, I'll investigate the CPU options, I couldn't live with the screen turning off though.
For the future, I wonder if ICS's better handling of the two cores will reduce consumption.
You can turn mystic up to 650 from 450 which might help with the discharging while using satnav issue.
You would need a custom kernel and voltage control.
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What is mystic?
veyka said:
You can turn mystic up to 650 from 450 which might help with the discharging while using satnav issue.
You would need a custom kernel and voltage control.
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What is mystic?
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I presume he meant MISC, which you already clarified shouldn't matter (but wouldn't harm to try, if you're already using a kernel which supports changing these values).
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Mine is detected as a charger, not MISC or USB, so I get the full 650mA
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As an additional, newer versions of Siyah kernel allow you to see the charge current.
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I presume he meant MISC, which you already clarified shouldn't matter (but wouldn't harm to try, if you're already using a kernel which supports changing these values).
As an additional, newer versions of Siyah kernel allow you to see the charge current.
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I just downloaded a battery widget app and my car charger (2amp) is definitely recognised as 'AC' which I assume should be 650mA.
I'm using Android 2.3.6, Gingerbread XILA2, Rooted. Would Siyah kernel be worth a try?
Fast charging the battery shortens its life anyway. Slow charges are better, IMO.
I don't mind waiting a few extra minutes or buying an additional battery and cycling them, or charging them externally
donalgodon said:
Fast charging the battery shortens its life anyway. Slow charges are better, IMO.
I don't mind waiting a few extra minutes or buying an additional battery and cycling them, or charging them externally
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But I need sufficient current to cover my satnav drain plus a bit to charge the battery when I'm driving. I don't mind replacing the battery every six months but pulling off the road to change it is a non starter.
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Would Siyah kernel be worth a try?
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It's not likely to help your issue, at least not without playing with a few already mentioned things (like limiting CPU frequency or disabling one core).
The default charging current is 1000 mA. However, some kernels like Adam kernel say it is ok to get it to 1470 mA. I know that increasing charging rate causes faster battery drain. Is it ok to get it to 1200 mA or any other suitable current?
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The default charging current is 1000 mA. However, some kernels like Adam kernel say it is ok to get it to 1470 mA. I know that increasing charging rate causes faster battery drain. Is it ok to get it to 1200 mA or any other suitable current?
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Don't go above 1470, which is the real limit, however yes I'd settle at 1200 if I were you. USB is the trickiest. When you force more than 500 out of it, you could damage the computer's internals as they are designed to output 500 but often do not cut off if forced above, so be more moderate with that.
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I know that increasing charging rate causes faster battery drain
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...and the science behind that is?
rootSU said:
...and the science behind that is?
I read it on some developmenal thread. The more current you set, your battery gets damaged and it dischages faster. Makes sense to me
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Yes but thats different. You worded it in a way that made it seem if you charge fast, it drains fast.
What you actually mean is the faster you charge it, the quicker it wears out.
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Using charger not usb,it takes 3 hours ,is that normal how much time does it take for you guys?If normal any way to decrease time with other charger?
Alucard said:
Using charger not usb,it takes 3 hours ,is that normal how much time does it take for you guys?If normal any way to decrease time with other charger?
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Its normal.
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corruptionfreeindia said:
Its normal.
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Any way to fix this issue by changing charger or setting in rom?
Alucard said:
Any way to fix this issue by changing charger or setting in rom?
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NO, u cannot
Since for USB charging its capped at 400mA and with wall charger its capped at 650mA
u can see the video link below for more info
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL71G2YEIHU
Sun90 said:
NO, u cannot
Since for USB charging its capped at 400mA and with wall charger its capped at 650mA
u can see the video link below for more info
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL71G2YEIHU
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So when plugged in wall charger it uses 650 mah or do i need to use the app on the video to increase the voltage?
Sorry....but I can't believe you posted this..... 3 hours IS pretty damn fast.....my old galaxy W used to take 5 to 6 hours.
A lot of things in this world may well be instant.........phone charging ain't EVER gonna be one of them.........
This might be my S2, or it might be my W...but it's definitely CM
Sun90 said:
NO, u cannot
Since for USB charging its capped at 400mA and with wall charger its capped at 650mA
u can see the video link below for more info
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL71G2YEIHU
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With stweaks you can let usb charge from 450 to 650mAh.
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Sorry....but I can't believe you posted this..... 3 hours IS pretty damn fast.....my old galaxy W used to take 5 to 6 hours.
A lot of things in this world may well be instant.........phone charging ain't EVER gonna be one of them.........
This might be my S2, or it might be my W...but it's definitely CM
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My LG p970 with 1500 mah battery used to do 1 and half hour at the most,and when plugged in i could play heavy games and still it could finish charging,but not with s2,and 3 hours dude its not fast for 1650 mah,but i can live with it,at first i thought my phone was broken so this the reason for this question.
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Alucard said:
My LG p970 with 1500 mah battery used to do 1 and half hour at the most,and when plugged in i could play heavy games and still it could finish charging,but not with s2,and 3 hours dude its not fast for 1650 mah,but i can live with it,at first i thought my phone was broken so this the reason for this question.
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2:30 H using neat rom
trying yahowy
I use in my SGS2 battery with 3200 mAh (X-Longer CS-SMI9100DL).
It takes 5H to fully charge.
Alucard said:
Any way to fix this issue by changing charger or setting in rom?
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Use s4 charger. It has 1amp output current. .
But not recommended though.
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Yes, the charging speed Form S2 is very poor. I don't understand this cause other manufactorers do it better without battery issues...
soeschelz said:
Yes, the charging speed Form S2 is very poor. I don't understand this cause other manufactorers do it better without battery issues...
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Then buy an ICrap or old BlackBerry and get a swirl... live free with equally fast discharge...
Fast charge is disabled by default (on obvious reasons, google it), but hey... anyone is free to make it work if he can find a proper solution.
Said that, 3 hrs should be more like 2 hours or 2 hours and a a half... but seen OP never stated specs, it's all right.
Fevves said:
Then buy an ICrap or old BlackBerry and get a swirl... live free with equally fast discharge...
Fast charge is disabled by default (on obvious reasons, google it), but hey... anyone is free to make it work if he can find a proper solution.
Said that, 3 hrs should be more like 2 hours or 2 hours and a a half... but seen OP never stated specs, it's all right.
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Oh, you're very polite :/
In fact, the most other phones charge with ~1A+ and they don't have any big draing issues in common. It doesn't matter which OS they run.
Fevves said:
Then buy an ICrap or old BlackBerry and get a swirl... live free with equally fast discharge...
Fast charge is disabled by default (on obvious reasons, google it), but hey... anyone is free to make it work if he can find a proper solution.
Said that, 3 hrs should be more like 2 hours or 2 hours and a a half... but seen OP never stated specs, it's all right.
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ill never buy an iphone,s2 does charge really slowly and s3 too,but s4 no,so its a matter of samsungs technology which is slow,plus i agree that battery is good for 1650,i guess ill have to get used to it.Im going to send it to samsung to see if they can change something,like the usb port to handle more voltage,do u guys think its possible?
corruptionfreeindia said:
Use s4 charger. It has 1amp output current. .
But not recommended though.
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Yeap thought of it but i agree i will not risk it,but its frustrating cause im playing gta vice city and it not easy cause battery drains superfast,can i use s2 without a battery connected to charger?
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Oh, you're very polite :/
In fact, the most other phones charge with ~1A+ and they don't have any big draing issues in common. It doesn't matter which OS they run.
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Yes I am , thank you, cause the slow charge issue was elaborated and mentioned so many time around XDA but seems no one cares to search and read.
This phone with and with original charger, and AFTER teh update from Gingerbread to ICS/JB is charging as per specs. On Gingerbread there was a flaw that permitted to charge it upto 900-1000 mA but the phone was rather hot, I recall charging mine in an hour and a half or 15-20 minutes more, from 2-3% to 100% back when phone had GingerBread.
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ill never buy an iphone,s2 does charge really slowly and s3 too,but s4 no,so its a matter of samsungs technology which is slow,plus i agree that battery is good for 1650,i guess ill have to get used to it.Im going to send it to samsung to see if they can change something,like the usb port to handle more voltage,do u guys think its possible?
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Nope, they won't do anything, but you can try all along if it's free service.
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Yeap thought of it but i agree i will not risk it,but its frustrating cause im playing gta vice city and it not easy cause battery drains superfast,can i use s2 without a battery connected to charger?
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You can use 2.1A output chargers too, it is simply not going to draw all that but you might get the better on the go recharging while you're using the phone with heavy apps. Just think of the dual car chargers - they have both 1A (phone) and 2.1A (tablet) output. SatNav on 1A is zeroing or still draining your phone battery, while 2A can slowly charge it on the go.
You just give it a needed juice and if the discharge is so greater then recharge, there's not much you can do about it.
Call it a flaw, but Samsung did it cause of longevity of their batteries and li-ion technology.
That is why I indicated iCrap and BB - their fast charge is provoking rather fast discharge too cause the battery will not hold it. I have colleagues with BB who're charging in an hour but get their phones depleted in 3 hours of usage... I wouldn't want that from my S2 for sure. :good:
GreekBlood said:
With stweaks you can let usb charge from 450 to 650mAh.
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But it risky for USB port!
corruptionfreeindia said:
Use s4 charger. It has 1amp output current. .
But not recommended though.
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It doesn't matter what the output current of the charger is... the phone will only draw 650mA.
The charger I got with my S2 delivers 1A but my phone only draws 650mA. Actually the hardware doesn't support it.
IMO, 3hrs is pretty fast for a full charge.
Edit: Just noticed that Fevves already mentioned all that...
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Some kernels have the Option to change the charge rate but even at 650mA the phone will get very hot if you are doing something on it while charging
Sandm4n is right :good:
Isn't Fast Charging Bad For The Battery?
That would depend on the battery's C rating. Charging at higher rates doesn't necessarily cause damage. There are plenty of articles on charging lithium ion/poly cells out there.
In my previous S7 Edge , the battery lost plenty of juice in just one year of usage ( i was using wireless charging only). Then i sent it to samsung warranty and they replace battery. Tried to find something about if could be the wireless charging that damaged the battery and found none that supported that theory.
Now, with the S8, i´m using the provided charger and cable only (Just to be safe).
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In my previous S7 Edge , the battery lost plenty of juice in just one year of usage ( i was using wireless charging only). Then i sent it to samsung warranty and they replace battery. Tried to find something about if could be the wireless charging that damaged the battery and found none that supported that theory.
Now, with the S8, i´m using the provided charger and cable only (Just to be safe).
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Wireless is different due to the losses in the induction, creating heat, which does have some affect. But there are a lot of variables as to why your battery performance may have degraded.
LeoNote4 said:
Isn't Fast Charging Bad For The Battery?
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Are you a battery engineer/chemist?
peachpuff said:
Are you a battery engineer/chemist?
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Battery President.
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LeoNote4 said:
Battery President.
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Right... it seems every day someone thinks they know more than engineers in that field, battery is getting hot so it must be bad. Yet every year qualcomm and others improve quick charging for even faster charging, so unless someone actually knows something these threads should just stop.
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Right... it seems every day someone thinks they know more than engineers in that field, battery is getting hot so it must be bad. Yet every year qualcomm and others improve quick charging for even faster charging, so unless someone actually knows something these threads should just stop.
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I think what's going on here is someone doesn't know so he is asking a question.
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I think what's going on here is someone doesn't know so he is asking a question.
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Why would you assume its bad for the battery in the first place? Just because it gets hot? The cpu also gets hot when gaming so i should stop gaming? Recording 4k videos also heats up the phone so i should stop recording 4k video's? Constantly downloading will probably heat up the modem too so i should stop downloading? If something is built into the phone why would you assume its bad for the phone?
peachpuff said:
Why would you assume its bad for the battery in the first place?
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I didn't.
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Just because it gets hot?
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What gets hot? Who said anything about hot?
Hey, don't take it badly, he is just asking. I remember old batteries (for example ni-mh) if you charge it at a high current they use to live less than if you charged them at a slow one (i remember using rechargable batteries of this time for my wii control and i could test it with how long they lasted).
I think the new Li-ion (or better) batteries nowadays don't suffer from this, so you should be safe about them. They have a natural capacity loss thats isnt affected about the rest of the things. You should anyway check for faulty chargers or your battery life, remember all the test samsung makes are with their original hardware.
Regards!
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Why would you assume its bad for the battery in the first place? Just because it gets hot? The cpu also gets hot when gaming so i should stop gaming? Recording 4k videos also heats up the phone so i should stop recording 4k video's? Constantly downloading will probably heat up the modem too so i should stop downloading? If something is built into the phone why would you assume its bad for the phone?
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This is someone not knowing what they're taking about trying to talk down on someone else.
Anyways heat has always been detrimental to battery health which is why samsung fast wireless chargers have fans built in to keep the heat low. Along with this the phone will prevent charging if it passes a certain heat threshold I believe 40c iirc and also the phone uses adaptive charging to prevent over heating of the phone with the included fast charger and charging circuit design. As long as the phone continues to regulate the charge coming into the phone fast charging shouldn't hurt. Of course with fast charging you go through battery cycles faster but this is just because you can charge it a lot more times than with regular charging.
My personal experience:
- 2 years of fast charging = battery drain between 100 and 90 very much noticable
- charging over night causes more damage than fast charging