no application is running on the background
that's plenty (for an s3)...
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At the time of writing this, I have 89MB free and the phone is still wicked fast. No lags or anything.
So, you do not need to worry about memory management in android now. It knows how to take care of itself.
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Disable Ripple Effect and then disable Lock Screen. Voila! You gain over 100MB in RAM.
Or leave as is. Not sure why folk get hung up on free RAM. Android is quite grown up now and can look after itself.
You have plenty - go and enjoy your phone.
Yes it is a problem
Hi bro!
Of course it is a problem!
Who tells you otherwise is either ignorant or playing idiot just to convince himself that everything is alright.
I have done quite a scientific comparison with numbers and everything; look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2141721&highlight=ram+discussion
EDIT: And yes I cannot multitask as I do on an S2!!! Something is seriously utterly dangerously wrong with this damn phone!!!
Zomg more free ram the better
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nope, free RAM = wasted RAM
The multitasking would be better with 2gb of ram but the phone is still perfectly usable with 1gb.
The galaxy s4 will inevitably have 2gb, just wait until it releases if it's that big of a deal to you.
I can send text messages, make calls and look at porn just fine with 1 gb of ram so I don't feel your pain.
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As others have mentioned, this is pretty good for an S3. Still not enough for real multitasking but hey, if you run 1 app, it will run wicked fast!
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Disable Ripple Effect and then disable Lock Screen. Voila! You gain over 100MB in RAM.
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I had my lockscreen disabled already and had to re enable it to disable ripple effect. Then after disabling lock screen again, sure enough I gained 100 more ram. Nice tip
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nope, free RAM = wasted RAM
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Please stop misrepresenting a microsoft quote in the same way every idiot does on the internet.
Free ram is ram that can be utilised for standby caching and making app starts faster - This is the way microsoft intended this statement to be taken. This "standby RAM" (Cached in task manager) is ready to be released and fill with application data on demand without making other applications page fault.
Ram being utilised by excessively hungry applications is more paging, more thrashing and less performance.
Ram in use by hungry droid apps falls in the latter category.
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Please stop misrepresenting a microsoft quote in the same way every idiot does on the internet.
Free ram is ram that can be utilised for standby caching and making app starts faster - This is the way microsoft intended this statement to be taken. This "standby RAM" (Cached in task manager) is ready to be released and fill with application data on demand without making other applications page fault.
Ram being utilised by excessively hungry applications is more paging, more thrashing and less performance.
Ram in use by hungry droid apps falls in the latter category.
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And your a fool for thinking Android memory management is like windows memory management.
When RAM starts to fill up in android background processes are cached to the cache partition and because we aren't using a HDD the performance loss is negligible.
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Please stop misrepresenting a microsoft quote in the same way every idiot does on the internet.
Free ram is ram that can be utilised for standby caching and making app starts faster - This is the way microsoft intended this statement to be taken. This "standby RAM" (Cached in task manager) is ready to be released and fill with application data on demand without making other applications page fault.
Ram being utilised by excessively hungry applications is more paging, more thrashing and less performance.
Ram in use by hungry droid apps falls in the latter category.
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Free ram is wasted ram for android and Linux. Only in windoze free ram is good ram.
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It is a real problem.
I think CM10.1 has more free RAM.
Except when apps in Android are cached they often have to reload when you "switch " back to them. Not really multitasking. It's as if when the app is cached it stores a pointer to what it was doing. I notice a huge difference when I have 400mb free ram, if I only load a few apps they don't get cached and I can switch to them without them reloading. When I have less than 100mb free ram even my desktop gets redrawn, tabling chrome reload etc etc
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delsus said:
And your a fool for thinking Android memory management is like windows memory management.
When RAM starts to fill up in android background processes are cached to the cache partition and because we aren't using a HDD the performance loss is negligible.
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You sir, are talking out your arse.
When ram fills up on android, processes are either terminated leading to them having to be restarted or pulled from cache, leading to sluggish ui and loading.
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Except when apps in Android are cached they often have to reload when you "switch " back to them. Not really multitasking. It's as if when the app is cached it stores a pointer to what it was doing. I notice a huge difference when I have 400mb free ram, if I only load a few apps they don't get cached and I can switch to them without them reloading. When I have less than 100mb free ram even my desktop gets redrawn, tabling chrome reload etc etc
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Exactly.
Glebun said:
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nope, free RAM = wasted RAM
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I have installed RAM Booster and ZD Box(task killer) to help free up RAM, however i feel that the RAM usage on my x10 is still too high.
On average the free RAM on my phone is between 40MB -60MB, is that normal?
My question is how else can i free RAM on my phone? will installing apps to SD Card help? Also my internal memory widget is reading "414MB used out of 465MB" thats sound too high. my phone feels laggy and ive even stopped using live wallpapers, sumtimes the phone would even reboot on its own but hasnt done so in a while.
if u install too much apps without using app2sd, its normal to have that amount of ram.. i recommend u to use link2sd, u can manually select apps to move to sd. bt make sure that dont move any widget apps to sdcard or else it will stop functioning and appearing in ur widget list
I use Advanced Task Killer, from the market.
That being said, Android naturally will kill processes and apps. It waits for a certain amount of time, or until the resources are needed elsewhere. You shouldn't have to wory about how much free ram you have available... Unlike Windows, Android will manage it all on it's own!
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I have installed RAM Booster and ZD Box(task killer) to help free up RAM, however i feel that the RAM usage on my x10 is still too high.
On average the free RAM on my phone is between 40MB -60MB, is that normal?
My question is how else can i free RAM on my phone? will installing apps to SD Card help? Also my internal memory widget is reading "414MB used out of 465MB" thats sound too high. my phone feels laggy and ive even stopped using live wallpapers, sumtimes the phone would even reboot on its own but hasnt done so in a while.
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Use auto memory manager free from market
Requires root and when set to aggressive free ram great
Doesn't eat battery as it isnt a task killer
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I use Advanced Task Killer, from the market.
That being said, Android naturally will kill processes and apps. It waits for a certain amount of time, or until the resources are needed elsewhere. You shouldn't have to wory about how much free ram you have available... Unlike Windows, Android will manage it all on it's own!
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then y does my phone feel laggy if u say android will manage processes on its own? im going to try "link2sd" now and see how it goes.
Free RAM is wasted RAM, why don't people get that?
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Free RAM is wasted RAM, why don't people get that?
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not if it's causing his phone to reboot and have problems because he is using it all...
xcxa23 said:
if u install too much apps without using app2sd, its normal to have that amount of ram.. i recommend u to use link2sd, u can manually select apps to move to sd. bt make sure that dont move any widget apps to sdcard or else it will stop functioning and appearing in ur widget list
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link2sd is telling me i need to partition my sd fisrt and im not sure how to, im going to try apps2ds
First i don't this is a place to post such question, there is a section called Q&A.
Second, i recommend using AutoKiller Memory Optimizer, it's super amazing and very essential app for me. I get usually more than 100 MB free RAM most of the time, and it's easy customizable, after your read the help section.
Give it a try
it wouldnt be a lack of memory causing a phone to reboot but the app w memory leaks causing the phone to reboot. the apps youre killing werent designed for you to kill them unexpectedly. they were designed to run any necessary cleanup routines on exit. if the app youre killing doesnt have an option to exit, then you should replace it w one that does or ask the author to provide an exit/close for the app to free itself from the list of running processes.
you're introducing dirty unintended states for the apps and the os by killing them unexpectedly. you will have immediate gains in performance and will gain unexpected problems when those same apps go to run later. lost widgets, widget data, duplicate widgets, or maybe even break an app that wasnt designed to open from a dirty state.
keep an eye on the tasks, but leave them alone if you can.
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First i don't this is a place to post such question, there is a section called Q&A.
Second, i recommend using AutoKiller Memory Optimizer, it's super amazing and very essential app for me. I get usually more than 100 MB free RAM most of the time, and it's easy customizable, after your read the help section.
Give it a try
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Thanx guys will try it...
to op, i think u better try the autokiller 1st. because the link2sd and app2sd need to make partition.
1st make a fat32
2nd make a ext2
size of partition 2 put less than 1gb, i assuming u having a 8gb class 2 sdcard
the rest of it goes to fat32
ps : this require u to format ur sdcard. so make sure u backup it up in ur pc
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link2sd is telling me i need to partition my sd fisrt and im not sure how to, im going to try apps2ds
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Apps2sd needs partition as well... try a partitioning program and make a main fat32 partition and then a second one ext2 partition (i suggest 1gig max should be more than enough)
You don't want to free up ram. It messes with your phone. Your suppose to use ram
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Get rid of the task killer and get AutoKiller Memory Management. I went from ~35mb free to ~135mb by changing the last 3 settings to 150, 200, 250 and never need to kill anything
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i use automatic task killer and it works pretty good for me...
Hi, i recommend the app "Taskiller Full" from AxDroid LLC ( i dont know if the free version is the same ) when i kill apps get a 150-200 free ram
do NOT use task killers. all you will succeed in doing is to use MORE battery. Andoid (which is linux based) is designed to have very little free memory. The way android handles application and memory use is it keeps frequently launched apps in memory so they launch quicker. if a task comes along that requires resources android will simply ditch the reserved memory (that is reserved in case you launch a particular app that is in memory) and will allow it to be utilised for the new app. as has been said 1000's of times before, free ram is wasted ram!
all a task killer will do is to fight against the native android instruction set, each time android attempts to launch a process into ram the task killer will kill it, and each time this happens it will chew a bit more battery life.
having a lack of ram is not necessarily the reason your handset is lagging.....the perceived lack of ram is only because it is earmarked for potential use.
my advise to you? just leave it be, maybe reboot your handset a bit more frequently, and remove some of the apps that you have installed that are fighting against android!
good luck!
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Free RAM is wasted RAM, why don't people get that?
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+++ exactly, let your phone do the thinking! (bump)
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I'm running dagr8s alpha 2 ics rom. And I know that it has lower ram than the gb roms. But lately I have been running Tasker (amazing app btw) numbers and it keeps notifying me that I have low ram and it might not work properly. I go to applications in settings and check my ram and it says I only have 98mb free. I end all tasks and clear ram and then still I have like 120-130 free. I'm afraid that this is a too low amount. And wanted your opinions on what I should do. Is this enough should I just ignore the warnings will Tasker still run fine? How can I get more ram? Are any of you also experiencing low ram?
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Taller uses ram also. I run trebuchet launcher on alpha 2 and have no real issues. If it gets slow you can hold home and clear things out. Running a lot of widgets still affect ram also.
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If you go to developer options in settings at the bottom and select the background processes and set it to 3 processes at most that helps alot...also if u change ur dalvik heap to 64 that also helps a ton...DO NOT and I repeat do not set it below 64 as u will soft brick your phone
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You must understand how Android uses memory, it loads your frequentlyused programs into ram so when you go to use them, they open much faster than if they would if they had to open "fresh" each time.the lmk (low memory killer) should take care of everything if you ate currently using a process that uses a lot of memory it will kill off apps as it needs to.
Put simply: FREE RAM IS WASTED RAM.
Have a marine navigation program "Navionics USA EAST" that wouldn't open in ICS(leak and Saurom) unless I cleared RAM. No issue onstock GB, and runs fine on sgh-i777 ICS? Tried debloating leak, but didn't help much. Will try limiting running programs when back on ICS.
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Free Ram is wasted ram. Never thought about it like that. I understand but i would still like some free ram just so its available for other apps i open. I did use the task manager to kill running apps and clear ram and it didnt free up that much ram that is why i was worried.
Ill try limiting background proccess to .
Also how do i set dalvik heap to 64? And what exactly does this accomplish?
Thanks for the replies guys.
Yes set it to 3 processes at most. Task manaher killers r just crap dnt use them
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Welcome to ICS. This is exactly why I DONT like ICS - the memory footprint is huge just for ICS alone.
Free ram is not entirely wasted ram.
Let me explain.
So, my phone RAM is completely (or nearly) filled and I open a new app. There is now a long delay as Android goes to work closing app(s) down and doing garbage collection to free up memory for the new app I just tried to open but it only frees up enough for the one app I just opened.
And now, every app I go to open is going to have this long delay.
What you really want is about 80% ram usage - enough that there is free ram to open new apps without Android having to scurry around to free up a bunch of memory.
I dont know if there is a way to force a certain amount of ram to be free but imo, thats what youd really want.
I only have 6 user apps on my phone and Im running stock GB so even if I opened everything at once, there would be plenty of ram to have them open all at once (Go Launcher, Blue Skies (paid), Battery Power Widget, System Tuner Pro, BeyondPod, & Audible).
It's called "minfree memory," what you want is an app that will allow you to modify those values. Back when I had a Captivate, I used an app called AutoKiller for that purpose. I haven't needed it on the Note though. You can find it in the Android market.
Is it possible for apps to crash when the phone doesnt have enough free memory (RAM)?
-Once you go NOTE, you'd say 4 inches a Joke
How much RAM do you guys have available when running GB. The phone only sees 767Mb of RAM out of the 1Gb is that normal?
yea i think thats normal because the phone system uses some of that ram to make the phone work. Like if you ever had a sd card or an ipod that was say an 8gb ipod you actually only have like 7.66gb free.
But yeah I would like more ram availabe so the phone can load apps quickly and wont have to waste time closing stuff. I dont think free ram is wasted ram
As said before, Android uses ram differently since it based upon Linux. If the entire ROM runs around 600-800mB and most of it gets loaded into RAM, this will leave you with 400-200mB free RAM but the entire OS is already loaded and ready to go! Once you load a RAM intensive application, Android/Linux kernel will free space for that application.
I believe GPU consumes an excess of RAM to handle this beast's resolution/size.
I have to go back to GB. Delay in apps opening is getting old compared to i777 daily driver.
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Thanks for the info, guys.
If I root my S3 is it possible to make more ram available to me?
With all apps closed I have 650/780 being used so that only leaves me with 130mb of ram.
uf21 said:
If I root my S3 is it possible to make more ram available to me?
With all apps closed I have 650/780 being used so that only leaves me with 130mb of ram.
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Jesus. There's a huge panic now because the variant has 2 gigs of ram...
http://www.androidcentral.com/ram-what-it-how-its-used-and-why-you-shouldnt-care
You actually have more free, but the android has a lot of it saved for caching, etc. For example, Facebook takes 40 mb, but when I open it only like 5 or 10 mb of the ram shown as "available" is taken away because parts of it are actually open already.
But yes, if you root it, and a developer adjusts the Minfree to a large amount you will have more free but your phone will probably be slower.
Folks need to keep in mind, that keeping RAM free as you would with a Windows based OS, is NOT ideal in Android. Android uses RAM completely differently and it is perfectly okay for your phone to make use of RAM, even for apps you are not currently using.
There's a fair amount of documentation out there about this - do some Google-fu to deep dive further.
Actually I ask because when I was trying to send a picture in whatsapp it kept sayin "try again" but when I closed all tasks in multitask the picture did send. So I'm guessing it is a ram problem.
Also take it easy on Mr. This is my first android phone, I've been using iphone since the 3g and don't know nothing about android..... yet
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You don't really want to much free ram. If there is to much free ram it means apps are not going in to cache witch will mean really slow app loading times. 200-300mb free is ample for new apps to run, if the OS needs more then its auto memory management will come in to play to free up more if needed, android is a very smart peace of kit
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if anyone were to choose pre-caching order for faster load times ( usually just by seconds than non-pre-cached) to no random force closes because there is more free memory, they would chose more free memory.
but since the experts have already said android memory doesn't work the same way like windows does, then the best would be a balance between cache and free memory. right? right. that's where official updates and dev fixes come in.
Hi pls is their anyone who could fix the high ram usage a mod or something?
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What do you exactly think ram is, or "high ram usage"?
What are you expecting to be fixed?
This phone has plenty of ram, stop looking at the numbers and thinking your too high, don't listen to anyone that tells you that you need to kill tasks to make the phone better, they are all wrong!
Android works on a linux kernel, its not like windows and does not slow down (noticeably) when you multi-task, it manages its ram usage, it caches processes to save you time and battery next time. When it's ram is truly full (which I doubt yours ever is) it kills it's own apps.
So in summary unless android is closing all your apps when your trying to use them, stop worrying about ram!
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Please everyone stop saying that Windows does not use the RAM for Cache.
Just because it doesn't show the values in Task Manager doesn't mean it isn't doing so. The Resource Monitor tells otherwise.
port76, if you're rooted you can throw out all the apps that you do not use (e.g. the whole Samsung-Cloud stuff, Samsung Accounts, AllShare, ...) which will give you several MB more of RAM available for caching.
For the rest, refer to this: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
ivy thrown all bloatware still high ram it was perfect on my s2 in fact my s2 has more ram sometimes my s3 lags .. thanks anyway guys for feedback :thumbup:
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No mention of what firmware you are using . Try updating top latest firmware .
jje
ram usage is fine on the S3, theres no fix needed.
unused ram = useless ram
if ur S3 lags, it must be something else
Jesus F****** christ!
I would rather have a fix for the redrawing of my launcher...
When i'm browsing and go back to the launcher it redraws/restarts...
Because other launchers beside touchwiz are not locked in the memory...
thread closed. there are plenty of discussions on ram usage. please use the search function
Hello world,
I have been using several ROMs for my 16GB Nexus 4 and I have a complain about RAM usage: it is never close to its full potential.
I did the following experiment: I opened up lots of apps(dialer, messaging, browser, facebook etc) not very demanding the ram usage was about 50-60% and most of the apps were loaded in RAM as there was no latency in switching between them. The I've opened up GTA 3. And the RAM usage was barely around 60-65%. Overall not much of an increase. I figured out that even though I had over 30% free RAM and android killed my other apps because even though they were in Recents it took the same time to open up.
So my QUESTION is: Is there any way to enable agressive multi tasking (90-95% ram usage) or a way to disable android task killimg mecanics in order to achieve a higher number of apps loaded in ram, therfore improving the overall speed?
Now I am running PSX ROM with S4 patch and Neo kernel
Peace
You can look into supercharging and adding swap or compcache/zram
Depending on how you use your phone will tell you if any of this will help or hinder your device
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You can look into supercharging and adding swap or compcache/zram
Depending on how you use your phone will tell you if any of this will help or hinder your device
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Thanks for the tips, but I want app switching to be fast, therfore no ZRam. As far as I know zram is slow virtual ram that allows many apps to stay in "memory" but switching to them is not fast. If I am getting something wrong, please tell me. Also I want to use the full potential of my RAM not having maximum 65% in high stress situations.
Try tweaking minfree values, google android ram minfree to get a better concept of it.
Basically its to adjust the number of pages at wich the system will start killing apps/processes with a given priority (foreground, background, services, system, etc).
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Try tweaking minfree values, google android ram minfree to get a better concept of it.
Basically its to adjust the number of pages at wich the system will start killing apps/processes with a given priority (foreground, background, services, system, etc).
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Higher minram=killing tasks much often, right?
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Higher minram=killing tasks much often, right?
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Yes, exactly that. So keep minfree as low as posible, but still give system core processes the priority. This way, ram will have to be really full (really low free ram) for apps to get killed.
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Yes, exactly that. So keep minfree as low as posible, but still give system core processes the priority. This way, ram will have to be really full (really low free ram) for apps to get killed.
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Will try soon. Thanks once again for helping a noob. I will keep you posted with the results.
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dxppxd said:
Yes, exactly that. So keep minfree as low as posible, but still give system core processes the priority. This way, ram will have to be really full (really low free ram) for apps to get killed.
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Didn't worked out quite well, all my minfree settings are below 6MB, but still below 1GB ram is used