Never get the chance to S-off , so wondering if devs will ever make a s-on custom Sense Kernel . Chances of any Sense kernel will be good .
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Accidentally posted in wrong section . Move to general if spotted by mods , please ?
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Or q & a because its a question...:what:
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Kernels can be flashed while S-ON if you use Flash Image GUI or by using fastboot commands. As for flashable kernels through recovery, unlikely unless you set twrp to know you're s-ON so they can flash the kernel the proper way.
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Kernels I've checked the Devs said they can't flash if S-On because it rewrites some part of the system and flashing the .img will brick the device .
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S-Off and call it a day if you wanna flash kernels so bad
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Kernels can be flashed while S-ON if you use Flash Image GUI or by using fastboot commands. As for flashable kernels through recovery, unlikely unless you set twrp to know you're s-ON so they can flash the kernel the proper way.
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Post from ThickLizard Regarding S-On flashing of an S-off kernel :
"The reason I didn't do son booting is on sense many rom devs make ramdisk tweaks. If I were to make the boot.img I would use stock and would eliminate all their tweaks..."
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I don't see where TLs post you quoted says anything about bricking devices. Rather, undoing ramdisk tweaks. And lately I've seen the word 'brick' thrown around far too loosely for things that aren't even nearly a brick.
From my Evo LTE, yup.
The kernel is unflashable because it is s-off only . I don't think it contains a boot.img for s-on , and even if it did , it would eliminate the tweaks . Thick said he might make a s-on kernel , so my question is answered . Thanks though !
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FacePalm takes like 5 minutes to get S-OFF it's in Origanal Development it will save you soooo many headaches down the road
What is the biggest deal in not going s- off ?
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You can use Bulletproof with s-on
ElementalX might work, but a lot of people have trouble installing with s-on
Just get s-off, it's easier.
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What is the biggest deal in not going s- off ?
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Biggest or most inconvenient issue in not being able to flash roms without flashing the kernel separate.
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flar2 said:
You can use Bulletproof with s-on
ElementalX might work, but a lot of people have trouble installing with s-on
Just get s-off, it's easier.
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100 % correct, bulletproof is a pretty badass kernel. Does exactly what a custom kernel is supposed to do. Great performance excellent battery, swear by it.
+1 on s-off, just do it save yourself the hassles
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Biggest or most inconvenient issue in not being able to flash roms without flashing the kernel separate.
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^This. Firmware updates are out, too, unless you plan on re-locking, taking an OTA or running a RUU then rooting again. Totally worth being S-off
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Okay so I got the EVO 3D about 2 days ago and fell in love with it. I just have some questions as a new EVO user.
1. Is rooting this phone dangerous? Has anyone ever bricked their device doing this?
2. What is the difference between the HTC bootloader unlocked and a rooting method on these forums. Oh and what is the best root method?
3. With all the features on the phone as it is, is it necessary to root in the first place
4. If so, what is the best ROM out right now (i heard alot about infected eternity)
5.is sense 3.5 available on this phone?
6. How do I get a working beats audio thing on here?
Thanks you guys,
Ognimnella
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1.no. Probably.
2. Depends on what hboot you are. Revolutionary is the best and only I think if you're 1.4.
3. Yes, for sure. So many things you can do with root.
4. I like eternity but I'm on myns warm rim now. Also like miui.
5. Yes there are a few 3.5 roms. Haven't tried them.
6. Beats are included in most roms nowadays but i've seen flashable zips around here somewhere.
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Kay you need to tell us what hboot your on. Also yes root it now there are plenty of good roms out right now. Go with the one you would like the most. I personally like senseless Rom the most cuz it gives you aosp experience with your 4g and 3d. There is a 3.5 Rom right now and it will be updated soon now that sac got his phone running again. The beats file is in the dev section. And its flashable
The diff between HTC method is that you can't flash roms the traditional way you have to flash differently because of the kernal you have to flash kernal in fastboot mode with the htcmethod lame I know. The unrevoked method you can flash roms without doing all the bs which is awesome less work lol let us know your hboot so you can get more help
ok how do I find the hboot on this phone, also my phone is cdma, just a little extra info
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ok how do I find the hboot on this phone, also my phone is cdma, just a little extra info
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Turn phone completely off, then hold down volume and power untill you get a white screen upper right corner will have the hboot version.
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My hboot is 1.50.0000
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Kay go to the dev section for cdma and look for the guide called unlocking using HTC method + twrp it will show you everything you need its kinda in the bottom of the section. You'll find it
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Kay go to the dev section for cdma and look for the guide called unlocking using HTC method + twrp it will show you everything you need its kinda in the bottom of the section. You'll find it
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I just need to know will this brick my phone? Cause I don't wasn't to mess it up men
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ognimnella said:
I just need to know will this brick my phone? Cause I don't wasn't to mess it up men
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Read what root is...and the risk of rooting NO ONE IS RESPONSIBLE OF DAMAGES OR A BROKEN PHONE...
Do it at ur own risk ur resposible for ur own actions , if u don't know what ur doing , u better off getting someone who does or else u will brick ur phone. Flashing wit hboot 1.5 takes time n some knowledge.
Rooting wit 1.4 hboot is easy as 1,2,3!
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I'm rooted you all, thank you. I am flashing infected eternity when I get home
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I unlocked my bootloader with HTC dev, and have S-ON. Apparently, it is okay to flash roms in this state, having used this method. I don't want to try flashing, as I don't want to risk bricking my phone and I am waiting for either cyanogen mod for my GSM version of the Evo 3d, or a decent, working jellybean ROM. So, do I need to get S-OFF, or am I okay as it is? If I do need S-OFF, what would be the best way to do it?
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Oh yes, and I have superuser, Google Now, CWM recovery and HBOOT 1.53.0007.
U don't need it but it makes things easier. My bootloader is locked but I have s-off. That's the way I prefer it. U really only need one or the other to flash roms.
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If you want to flash new firmware you do. If you want to flash a kernel, depending on your recovery, you need to be s-off or use a computer to boot recovery. If you want a custom splash screen, you need s-off.
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I just installed the 4ext recovery and flashed a few roms. It can accommodate S-on to some degree. And its a lot easier than using the volume butttons to do anything in recovery.
You should give that a shot if you haven't already.
Is there much risk in using the wire method to gain s-off? I don't want to break any part of my phone and that sounds like it might... Im fine with the splash screen, and I don't want to mess with kernels. Would s-on restrict the usage of roms such as cyanogen mod, and is that rom likely to be released for the gsm evo 3d?
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HuckleberryWill said:
Is there much risk in using the wire method to gain s-off? I don't want to break any part of my phone and that sounds like it might... Im fine with the splash screen, and I don't want to mess with kernels. Would s-on restrict the usage of roms such as cyanogen mod, and is that rom likely to be released for the gsm evo 3d?
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A lot of the ics roms that have true 3.x kernels that work better with updated firmware. You would have to s-on to update them. Unless you relock take all the otas the unlock again, but some roms based on the new OTA need the 1.58 hboot and all the aosp roms can't use it so it necessitates going back and forth with hboots. That also requires s-off.
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A lot of the ics roms that have true 3.x kernels that work better with updated firmware. You would have to s-on to update them. Unless you relock take all the otas the unlock again, but some roms based on the new OTA need the 1.58 hboot and all the aosp roms can't use it so it necessitates going back and forth with hboots. That also requires s-off.
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Sorry, I am a bit of a noob, can you explain that a bit better? And am i right in thinking that if I update my phone, I will then have to re-unlock?
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go with s-off it makes life easier for u no problems alot less stress
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go with s-off it makes life easier for u no problems alot less stress
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Ok, thank you
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it honestly doesn't hurt too much to do it, especially if you don't intend to fiddle around/flash ROMs with your phone too much.
Yeh man I was a bit skeptical to do it too, but after doing the research and finding out it was recommended to do S-off I was glad i did, and its fairly easy to do.
Hello XDA I'm wondering the best reliable way to gain S-OFF and root access on the software 3.15
Thank you
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Hello XDA I'm wondering the best reliable way to gain S-OFF and root access on the software 3.15
Thank you
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I don't think you can S-Off yet with the latest. DirtyRacun may support it now I could be wrong. Watch Qbking77's videos on YouTube to unlock and root your device. Good luck and welcome.
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If you are already on 2.09 hboot, I think you have to use the hboot downgrade method to brick your phone and install an earlier hboot which will let you run dirty racun. It is by no means easy, and I don't know if there is still support for that method.
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cruise350 said:
If you are already on 2.09 hboot, I think you have to use the hboot downgrade method to brick your phone and install an earlier hboot which will let you run dirty racun. It is by no means easy, and I don't know if there is still support for that method.
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Downgrading your Hboot doesn't brick your phone. I've been doing this with my OG evo
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lreyes said:
Downgrading your Hboot doesn't brick your phone. I've been doing this with my OG evo
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The only way to downgrade your HBOOT on this device IS to brick your phone (if you're S-ON, that is). I think you misunderstood. This device is much more locked down than the OG. "Forget everything you think you know."
But at this point, the downgrade method isn't supported (yet). I already bricked my Jewel trying it (granted, that was after the downgrade was completed successfully, but still).
The team that put together the downgrading tool is still working vigorously on confirming a method that will work reliably with the new HBOOT. Stay tuned.
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The only way to downgrade your HBOOT on this device IS to brick your phone (if you're S-ON, that is). I think you misunderstood. This device is much more locked down than the OG. "Forget everything you think you know."
But at this point, the downgrade method isn't supported (yet). I already bricked my Jewel trying it (granted, that was after the downgrade was completed successfully, but still).
The team that put together the downgrading tool is still working vigorously on confirming a method that will work reliably with the new HBOOT. Stay tuned.
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^^^ This. The OG EVO and this phone are not the same. What worked on one won't necessarily work on the other. Just wait for an S-off exploit for the new Hboot, otherwise you'll end up with an expensive paperweight, like the Captain did:banghead:
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Ok I will do thanks guys.
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Along the same lines.....
Once you have S-Off can you go ahead and RUU to the latest one.
I'm experiencing a bunch of problems since S-Off and thought this might fix them?
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murphdsurf said:
Along the same lines.....
Once you have S-Off can you go ahead and RUU to the latest one.
I'm experiencing a bunch of problems since S-Off and thought this might fix them?
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What kind of problems? What ROM are you currently on? Have you updated your firmware?
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Title pretty much says it but just wondering if anyone has not been able to run custom kernels. It started with my attempt with Komodo etc., but I always get some form of screen flashes or massive FCs. Im am rooted with original 1.12 hboot. I have been able to successully load and run ROMs from Viper to AOKP, even CM10.1 but never able to run a custom kernel. I have wiped clean, reset and still no go. I am using the 2.2.1 TWRP so wondering if the newest TWRP would fix that ability? I know some of the EVO LTEs just wont run with a custom kernel but figured I would try.
Thanks in advance for any input.
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Are you S-Off or S-On. I would flash the latest recovery just to be safe.
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I've had the same issue with Komodo. I'm S-OFF 1.19. I tried on the latest twrp, 2.3.3, and even on a tip re-flashed 2.3.1
I was able to boot after flashing with 2.3.1, sometimes...but it really wasn't stable enough to even try to use. Constant reboots, FC's, bootloops, etc
The device I'm having this issue on is an insurance replacement from asurion, the 4th one to be exact. i never had this issue on any of the previous devices...my first was new via preorder, that was stolen, and the first 2 refurbs were returned due to other hardware defects, although at least they could run a custom f***ing kernel.
as far as I've been able to tell nobody has found the issue that makes some devices not take to a custom kernel.
Did any of Ye try the voltage stabilizer
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Did any of Ye try the voltage stabilizer
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Thanks for the replies. I am S-OFF, current baseband etc. I haven't tried the voltage mod, but will look into that and come back for questions if necessary. If you have any tips on the voltage mods etc, feel free to pass them on. I have tried to use Goo Manager to download the newest TWRP but kept getting errors but haven't tried today. Will try to get the most recent on and look at voltage mods. Its not a huge deal, I get great battery life and its fast enough but I wanted to at least see if there was something specific that I have been missing to run the kernels. Thanks for all the replies!
The Komodo kernel worked only after updating TWRP to newest and I also had to use the voltage mod as neither would load without it. Great advice and for first time I am running custom kernel on top of PACMAN ROM. I tried capped at 1.7 then 2.1 both work but the 2.1 started to indicate some weird results within minutes of loading. I backed down to 1.9/384 and looks to be the sweet spot. Thanks again!
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Did any of Ye try the voltage stabilizer
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I have tried that and it hasn't made any improvements for me.
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I have tried that and it hasn't made any improvements for me.
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I don't know if it makes any difference but I flash the voltage zip before and after flashing the kernel. Also make sure your downloading the s-on if that's what you need
Edit just saw your s-off in your sig
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I haven't tried flashing post install since it worked loading pre-install for me but will if I have any additional issues. Thanks for the tips!
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Jw cuz I might be getting one soon and I could never figure out how to s-off my amaze LOL well I hope the one doesn't require it
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Class_of_punk26 said:
Jw cuz I might be getting one soon and I could never figure out how to s-off my amaze LOL well I hope the one doesn't require it
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I wonder if setting S-off would help the camera problem i am having with my One. I posted the problem a few minutes ago. My question is what is S-On or S-off mean? I saw when I was rooting my phone and flashing a custom kernel....
Can I ask what the two of you are even talking about ? I don't think you know .
No htc phone requires soff it's optional thing when available .And not always easy to achieve with HTC.You must gain an unlocked bootloader before you can root once you unlock and root you then can soff if it's been achieved for the specific device that one is attempting soff with.
It has nothing to do with needing it for root or needing it at all, soff just gives us the complete total control to flash kernels roms and a ton more of tech stuff.
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SonneKonig said:
I wonder if setting S-off would help the camera problem i am having with my One. I posted the problem a few minutes ago. My question is what is S-On or S-off mean? I saw when I was rooting my phone and flashing a custom kernel....
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S-off @ S -on means Security on Security off
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Thanks for the real answer. My One is unlocked, rooted, and running ElementalX kernel. Don't know if S is on or off or even how to change it from one to the other
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Thanks for the real answer. My One is unlocked, rooted, and running ElementalX kernel. Don't know if S is on or off or even how to change it from one to the other
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It is s ON. If you go into recovery you can view it.
Edited: I accidentally said s off earlier! I wish...
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SonneKonig said:
Thanks for the real answer. My One is unlocked, rooted, and running ElementalX kernel. Don't know if S is on or off or even how to change it from one to the other
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You can't change soff or s on the way u think .It's not anything to do with what you are thinking.
Soff is very hard to achieve it takes great minds to do so . This is why HTC is greatly difficult to hack over the Samsung devices .
You don't need soff so stop worrying about it .trust me ,cause the HTC one is like the nexus models they work the same soff isn't needed really where as any other HTC soff phone is needed to flash roms in there entirety.
Without soff on most HTC phones you have to flash roms in pieces like boot.img has to be done from a pc before flashing the rom ,whereas the One can still do all that with s On.
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