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GUIDE:
As this is a hack, this process will be very similar to the process of flashing a dead Nokia.
1. Search for Device RM-819 on your favourite "firmware download application".
2. Launch Nokia "Product Support Tool For Store 5.0".
3. Select "No Connection" on PST drop down menu.
4. Go File -> Open product -> Select "RM-819".
5. Go Programming -> Recovery.
6. Your recently downloaded firmware should appear on the screen. If not, make sure you have correctly set the "Product" folder and click update list.
7. Make sure that you have removed your screen lock password. (Helps PST to switch phone between modes on restarting, if required).
8. Select your firmware and click start.
9. This should result in an error message.
10. Just follow the error message, Unplug the USB cable->Power down the device(In some cases, it will restart when you remove the cable)->While holding the "Volume up" button, reinsert the cable->Click "Retry".
11. This should start the flashing process, which should result in success.
To Answer the questions:
1. FW to download is "Nokia 800 RM-819 Country Variant Puerto Rico PR Black V1 (059N5J2)". Not sure if you should be using this on cyan.
2. FW Version is 1600.2483.8107.11501
3. Qualcomm did not create a new SOC especially for Nokia, with one frequency gone missing. All the chips are uniform, it just reduces the production cost.
4. Nokia could have implemented a software lock on the frequencies to curb the inter-continent phone sales.
5. Difference between the two: RM-801 is the 900Mhz version of Lumia 800, for Europe, Africa and Asia. And RM-819 is the 850Mhz version of Lumia 800, for Americas.
6.If you are in Europe, Africa, or Asia; Please use RM-801. RM-819 will introduce limitations to your device.
Please backup your data and do it at your own risk, blah blah blah. This will disable high speed data on 900, and enable it on 850.
Feel free to comment and post your results. Good luck!
Format for test results:
Time:
Country:
Service provider:
Network B/W, download:
Network B/W, upload:
Reference for H/W:
Cellular;Phone
Cellular_Networks: GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS900, UMTS1900, UMTS2100
Cellular+Data;Links: CSD, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HSDPA, HSUPA, HSPA+
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3030&c=nokia_lumia_800__nokia_sea_ray
Test Results:
-All the existing functionality has been retained.
-After 3 discharges, battery capacity still at 1437mAh.
-The Battery capacity shown, may vary with the battery temperature, perfectly normal.
-Big improvement on Cellular data. Network B/W on Rogers 3G jumped from 3-4Mbps to 11-12Mbps. This means High speed is working.
Doubts:
According to some speculations by "fshqbizfs", it still does not enable 850. (Thank you).
After looking into the Nokia RM-801 Schematics, I found out that, even though the SoC can support 850, Nokia RF circuit is limited to not support 850 Mhz. I believe that my "H" symbol and higher speed, was a mere coincidence. I guess 850 will never work, unless we swap the RF circuit out.
In the end, this becomes a really long way of installing firmware from a different Device. O Well!
***Reserved***
Really interested how the charging works out - can you let us know how the battery performs?? Does the max charge capacity drop down to ~1300mAh after a few days usage?
Thanks
Can't wait!!!!!
Great news! Thanks for your efforts.
Wow, I look forward to your findings!
I've been waiting for a 3G 850mhz Lumia 800 for ages!!
thesmartguyy said:
...Battery capacity solid at 1.4Ah...
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Good news but I'm very sceptical. I would like to see how it will evolve after some charge cycles!
With 11501's firmware all is good but it decreased after one or two battery charges...
wutang01 said:
Wow, I look forward to your findings!
I've been waiting for a 3G 850mhz Lumia 800 for ages!!
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Exactly same position as you. On Telstra in Brisbane.
Where is the RM-819 firmware? I'm going rural for 2 weeks and will definitely need this!
Edit: I refreshed NaviFirm and there it is! Awesome!
Very interesting!!
Just noticed NOKIA Lumia 800 (RM-819) firmware available in Navifirm Plus.
Just to confirm, you flashed
"Nokia 800 RM-819 Country Variant Puerto Rico PR Black V1 (059N5J2)"?
I'm tempted to flash this one onto my EU Lumia 800. Will be interested in your continued observations.
I'm certainly sceptical about this having any effect on the 850/900 thing. If it was down to software, Nokia wouldn't have needed to release a new model, they'd have enabled all frequencies from the off.
Take the Nexus One for example, two versions were released, one 850, one 900. The software was identical, same ROM, same baseband firmware. Only difference was the BB chip.
Rusty! said:
I'm certainly sceptical about this having any effect on the 850/900 thing. If it was down to software, Nokia wouldn't have needed to release a new model, they'd have enabled all frequencies from the off.
Take the Nexus One for example, two versions were released, one 850, one 900. The software was identical, same ROM, same baseband firmware. Only difference was the BB chip.
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Nokia has been dealing with pentaband for quite a while. It's quite possible the chip does 850 and 900 even though it's Qualcomm.
Why do they lock 850/900 depending on region? Quite simple: carriers. Carriers would much prefer if the users can't switch to competitors in their country. Example: Telstra->Optus.
Why does it have a different RM-#? I'm not sure.
That would make sense for branded phones, but not the SIM free ones that sell worldwide.
What are the software versions (os and firmware) of this firmware? 8107 and 11501? Thnx
I'm waiting for the guide to flash and see by myself!
Anxiously waiting I don't care too much about the battery, but want to see if the extra frequency will improve my AT&T 3G.
I see a North America US variant on Navifirm
Rusty! said:
I'm certainly sceptical about this having any effect on the 850/900 thing. If it was down to software, Nokia wouldn't have needed to release a new model, they'd have enabled all frequencies from the off.
Take the Nexus One for example, two versions were released, one 850, one 900. The software was identical, same ROM, same baseband firmware. Only difference was the BB chip.
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In the case of Lumia 800 things are a little different.
It uses the MSM8255 chip, that supports only three active 3G bands, but they are configurable.
So, to enable 850mhz they had to resubmit the phone to FCC with different bands enabled and the 2100 band switched off.
However, they also changed configuration of other components so, even if it works flashing RM-801 with RM-819 firmware, reception will be sub-par comparing with the original RM-819.
You can read what's different here, in the first document of the list.
I quote
"The WCDMA VIII band of RM-801 has been changed to WCDMA V in RM-819. The TX SAW filter, RF power
amplifier and duplexer (WCDMA VIII vs V) are different. The antenna circuit with RF front end has not been
changed. Otherwise the devices are identical."
Ok, just flashed the RM819 firmware to my Deutschland 801. I downloaded the NAM US variant FW from Navifirm. Renamed product code in filenames to the correct one and flashed with Care Suite. Don't notice any difference in data speed. Guess AT&T really do suck in NYC ;P
Itaintrite said:
Ok, just flashed the RM819 firmware to my Deutschland 801. I downloaded the NAM US variant FW from Navifirm. Renamed product code in filenames to the correct one and flashed with Care Suite. Don't notice any difference in data speed. Guess AT&T really do suck in NYC ;P
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Data speeds with AT&T at my home depend on the time of day. During the day, I get standard 200KBps or so (Bps, not bps) and at night I can get up to 1.5MBps.
So, are you in a situation where you're able to differentiate between bands, or do I need to flash mine with RM-819? I'll know immediately if it works.
Post #1 updated.
sorry but what is the difference between RM-801 and RM-819 ??
Has anyone tried using one of the white unlocked Lumia 920 from Clove (I guess the ones from Expansys are the same) on an LTE network?
Specifically, do you have the "4G" option in the "highest connection speed" settings?
In my case, although I am using an LTE SIM with an LTE network on a supported band, I only have "2G" and "3G" options in the Highest Connection Speed settings. So normally it is only connecting over HSPA. Through playing around a lot with scanning LTE bands with the Field Test tool (##3282#), I can sometimes get the device to connect to LTE, after which it works perfectly on LTE until reboot. But it's not really a long-term solution.
The default firmware on my device is country variant "CV GB SW Variant ID 276 v03" which (apart from the version number) seems to be the same firmware as that sold by Orange / T-Mobile in the UK (i.e. for 3G networks).
I was thinking about trying to flash the EE firmware, but concerned this could create other issues (such as end up locking the phone to EE, or to certain LTE bands, or something...). Any thoughts appreciated.
You don't mention where you are, but that might help respondents.
As you may know, the LTE bands are different between the NA and Europe. The LTE Bands listed on the international version are 800/900/1800/2100/2600 while the NA(Rogers & AT&T) version has 700/850/1700/1900/2100.
Are you sure you are connecting to the LTE bands? Do you have an LTE SIM installed?
tomdjp said:
Has anyone tried using one of the white unlocked Lumia 920 from Clove (I guess the ones from Expansys are the same) on an LTE network?
Specifically, do you have the "4G" option in the "highest connection speed" settings?
In my case, although I am using an LTE SIM with an LTE network on a supported band, I only have "2G" and "3G" options in the Highest Connection Speed settings. So normally it is only connecting over HSPA. Through playing around a lot with scanning LTE bands with the Field Test tool (##3282#), I can sometimes get the device to connect to LTE, after which it works perfectly on LTE until reboot. But it's not really a long-term solution.
The default firmware on my device is country variant "CV GB SW Variant ID 276 v03" which (apart from the version number) seems to be the same firmware as that sold by Orange / T-Mobile in the UK (i.e. for 3G networks).
I was thinking about trying to flash the EE firmware, but concerned this could create other issues (such as end up locking the phone to EE, or to certain LTE bands, or something...). Any thoughts appreciated.
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Have a look at this offivial Blog post from Nokia.
http://goo.gl/L2eiy
They basically saying that even-thought the new Lumias are LTE ready they will required a software update to turn LTE ON.
The information on that is very limited as Nokia didn't specify ANY details on how they will push this OTA.
What happens if you have an unlock device and use it in a different country of its origins? How they will push the update under what criteria?
Is the update is driven by the SIM ID? They will update the OS and turn ON LTE depending the SIM region or the device IMEI region?? Nobody knows...
Even worst there is a rumor that the latest Snapdragon S4 is supporting all 9 LTE bands at ONCE and the software just enable the appropriate ones, its programmable from the firmware. If this is true, then Nokia is committing a suicide here, they can simply program WP8 to recognize the SIM ID and turn ON/OFF LTE Bands depending the Network. Going with OTAs across different devices and regions will be a mess.
nMIK-3 said:
Have a look at this offivial Blog post from Nokia.
http://goo.gl/L2eiy
They basically saying that even-thought the new Lumias are LTE ready they will required a software update to turn LTE ON.
The information on that is very limited as Nokia didn't specify ANY details on how they will push this OTA.
What happens if you have an unlock device and use it in a different country of its origins? How they will push the update under what criteria?
Is the update is driven by the SIM ID? They will update the OS and turn ON LTE depending the SIM region or the device IMEI region?? Nobody knows...
Even worst there is a rumor that the latest Snapdragon S4 is supporting all 9 LTE bands at ONCE and the software just enable the appropriate ones, its programmable from the firmware. If this is true, then Nokia is committing a suicide here, they can simply program WP8 to recognize the SIM ID and turn ON/OFF LTE Bands depending the Network. Going with OTAs across different devices and regions will be a mess.
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There are international versions that HAVE ALL 9 LTE bands enabled and also petaband 3G.
For example in Germany:
http://www.nokia.com/de-de/produkte/smartphones-und-handys/lumia920/technische-daten/ (expand where it says "Basisdaten")
or in Singapore:
http://www.nokia.com/sg-en/products/phone/lumia920/specifications/ (expand where it says "Hardware")
or also in Switzerland:
http://www.nokia.com/ch-de/produkte/smartphones-und-handys/lumia920/technische-daten/ (expand where it says "Basisdaten")
I think there might be a good chance that you can unlock those extra bands on international versions (RM-821) that have them disabled by flashing a different firmware version. However this is just me thinking out loud so please don't blame me if it doesn't work or if it breaks your phone!
However I would strong discourage you from flashing an RM-821 firmware to an RM-820 (North American version) as I know that sb around here almost broke his phone by doing so.
Hi all
Thanks for your replies so far.
Right now I am using the phone in Japan, where there are three carriers with Band 1 (2100 MHz) LTE networks. I only tried one carrier so far, and yes it is an LTE SIM. As mentioned, I can actually connect to LTE and have used it for several hours, it's just necessary to use an unreliable trick (with ##3282#) to get the phone to see the LTE network. This seems related to the fact there is no 4G option in my highest connection settings.
Thanks for the heads-up on the OTA updates, agreed it's not clear how this will work at all...
Regarding the LTE band support, personally (although it's just my intuition) I think the lists of 9 LTE supported bands on those regional Nokia websites are probably in error (it wouldn't be the first time). Normally the most reliable source in Nokia's website is Nokia Developers, which clearly shows five bands for global RM-821 (1, 3, 7, 8, 20) and four bands for AT&T RM-820 (2, 4, 5, 17).
While the Snapdragon baseband may be able to support all 9 bands, the most difficult part of the design is the RF - filters, amplifiers, etc. So I imagine different RF chains are used in the two variants to support these specific bands.
Again, if anyone has the unlocked RM-821 and tried with an LTE SIM, if you could confirm if the 4G setting is available in highest connection settings, it would be much appreciated.
karlmueller said:
There are international versions that HAVE ALL 9 LTE bands enabled and also petaband 3G.
For example in Germany:
http://www.nokia.com/de-de/produkte/smartphones-und-handys/lumia920/technische-daten/ (expand where it says "Basisdaten")
or in Singapore:
http://www.nokia.com/sg-en/products/phone/lumia920/specifications/ (expand where it says "Hardware")
or also in Switzerland:
http://www.nokia.com/ch-de/produkte/smartphones-und-handys/lumia920/technische-daten/ (expand where it says "Basisdaten")
I think there might be a good chance that you can unlock those extra bands on international versions (RM-821) that have them disabled by flashing a different firmware version. However this is just me thinking out loud so please don't blame me if it doesn't work or if it breaks your phone!
However I would strong discourage you from flashing an RM-821 firmware to an RM-820 (North American version) as I know that sb around here almost broke his phone by doing so.
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I thought the same thing on PentaBand 3G and 9 Bands LTE, however in another discussion we verified (at least for the German model) that even thought the Nokia German website states PentaBand 3G and 9 Bands LTE, in the retail Box it only mentions QuadBand 3G (AWS missing) and PentaBand LTE.
With the Canadian model being PentaBand and Snapdragon's S4 Specs claiming that is fully supporting it, along with the programmable LTE, we really have no clue of whats really going on until Nokia, or anyone else clarify it...
I have a very bad feeling that the all 920s are PentaBand 3G and support all bands of LTE with programmable software but Nokia for some reason is locking specific bands on specific models/regions.
Hopefully in time we will clarify everything and hopefully its sooner rather than later..
nMIK-3 said:
I thought the same thing on PentaBand 3G and 9 Bands LTE, however in another discussion we verified (at least for the German model) that even thought the Nokia German website states PentaBand 3G and 9 Bands LTE, in the retail Box it only mentions QuadBand 3G (AWS missing) and PentaBand LTE.
With the Canadian model being PentaBand and Snapdragon's S4 Specs claiming that is fully supporting it, along with the programmable LTE, we really have no clue of whats really going on until Nokia, or anyone else clarify it...
I have a very bad feeling that the all 920s are PentaBand 3G and support all bands of LTE with programmable software but Nokia for some reason is locking specific bands on specific models/regions.
Hopefully in time we will clarify everything and hopefully its sooner rather than later..
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Different frequency bands require different antenna design. It is probably very difficult to design an antenna that can satisfy all LTE bands even though the chipset can support it. So, instead, Nokia is probably going to selectively make different hardware with different antenna design to fit a specific region. Apple iPhone 5 uses the similar Qualcomm chipset and it only supports very limited LTE bands for international version.
foxbat121 said:
Different frequency bands require different antenna design. It is probably very difficult to design an antenna that can satisfy all LTE bands even though the chipset can support it. So, instead, Nokia is probably going to selectively make different hardware with different antenna design to fit a specific region. Apple iPhone 5 uses the similar Qualcomm chipset and it only supports very limited LTE bands for international version.
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For 3G PentaBand is now standard in almost all chips and since the Canadian variant comes with PentaBand on board and the fact that is standard on the S4 I really see no reason of why Nokia will order a custom version of the S4 to just physically take off the AWS. It doesn't make any sense, so if its missing, most likely is turn off in firmware.
For the LTE. Qualcomm introduced a revolutionary technology called Software Defined Radio or simply SDR and the Snapdragon S4 Plus MSM8960 chip which is inside the Lumia 920, supports that technology. With SDR the chipset support all LTE bands from a low to high frequency, it can work in everything between, of course not at the same time, the software programs what frequency the antenna should be set.
If the Lumia 920 and its S4 really have SDR technology, they it will make sense for Nokia to have the firmware deride what LTE to make available to the user, by reading the SIM region and not providing individual updated per region, or based on device product number.
This finally solves a major issue for the manufactures because they do not have to build customs chips for specific countries, the software simply programs it. If you Google it you can find a lot of info regarding SDR. Of course we are not in the engineering team of the Lumia 920 line and its obvious whatever we say here is based on theory and specs that are available to us.
nMIK-3 said:
For 3G PentaBand is now standard in almost all chips and since the Canadian variant comes with PentaBand on board and the fact that is standard on the S4 I really see no reason of why Nokia will order a custom version of the S4 to just physically take off the AWS. It doesn't make any sense, so if its missing, most likely is turn off in firmware.
For the LTE. Qualcomm introduced a revolutionary technology called Software Defined Radio or simply SDR and the Snapdragon S4 Plus MSM8960 chip which is inside the Lumia 920, supports that technology. With SDR the chipset support all LTE bands from a low to high frequency, it can work in everything between, of course not at the same time, the software programs what frequency the antenna should be set.
If the Lumia 920 and its S4 really have SDR technology, they it will make sense for Nokia to have the firmware deride what LTE to make available to the user, by reading the SIM region and not providing individual updated per region, or based on device product number.
This finally solves a major issue for the manufactures because they do not have to build customs chips for specific countries, the software simply programs it. If you Google it you can find a lot of info regarding SDR. Of course we are not in the engineering team of the Lumia 920 line and its obvious whatever we say here is based on theory and specs that are available to us.
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If you understand radio technology at all, you should know the most important part that make all things work is the radio antenna, not the chipset. The chipset itself can't receive or transmit radio signal without a proper antenna. Try to disconnect your car radio antenna and see how many stations you can receive
foxbat121 said:
If you understand radio technology at all, you should know the most important part that make all things work is the radio antenna, not the chipset. The chipset itself can't receive or transmit radio signal without a proper antenna. Try to disconnect your car radio antenna and see how many stations you can receive
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We're going a bit off-topic from the thread here, but you're right - SDR defines the baseband, not the RF components.
If you look at Nokia's FCC filing for the RM-821, you can see it has two cellular antennas ("main" and "MIMO") for each of two bands ("HB" high-band and "LB" low-band). Presumably LB is used for bands below 1 GHz or so, while HB is used for bands above. So you can see it's not necessary to have different antennas for every band - bands 1 to 4 (including AWS) could also use the same antennas, for example.
However, each band needs its own RF filters to prevent interference from neighbouring channels, and also needs amplifiers that have flat gain over those bands. These RF components are usually band specific, relatively bulky and expensive, and there are some challenges to use several RF chains in parallel. To my understanding these are the limiting factors that explain why a given device tends to support maximum 4 or 5 LTE channels.
tomdjp said:
We're going a bit off-topic from the thread here, but you're right - SDR defines the baseband, not the RF components.
If you look at Nokia's FCC filing for the RM-821, you can see it has two cellular antennas ("main" and "MIMO") for each of two bands ("HB" high-band and "LB" low-band). Presumably LB is used for bands below 1 GHz or so, while HB is used for bands above. So you can see it's not necessary to have different antennas for every band - bands 1 to 4 (including AWS) could also use the same antennas, for example.
However, each band needs its own RF filters to prevent interference from neighbouring channels, and also needs amplifiers that have flat gain over those bands. These RF components are usually band specific, relatively bulky and expensive, and there are some challenges to use several RF chains in parallel. To my understanding these are the limiting factors that explain why a given device tends to support maximum 4 or 5 LTE channels.
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You nail it.
foxbat121 said:
If you understand radio technology at all, you should know the most important part that make all things work is the radio antenna, not the chipset. The chipset itself can't receive or transmit radio signal without a proper antenna. Try to disconnect your car radio antenna and see how many stations you can receive
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Is that a joke?? I am spending my time explaining what SDR is and I am getting that respond??
I am assuming that I am talking with a person that knows at least a modern chipset like the S4 package contains all the antennas for GSM/WCDMA/LTE a separate antenna for Bluetooth and Wifi, GPS (S4 also includes GLONASS), the CPU and the Adreno GPU.
All the above come in the same tinny chip that in the size of your nail. And all this is called the "chipset". Qualcomm does not use a separate antenna anymore its integrated to the chipset.
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Is that a joke?? I am spending my time explaining what SDR is and I am getting that respond??
I am assuming that I am talking with a person that knows at least a modern chipset like the S4 package contains all the antennas for GSM/WCDMA/LTE a separate antenna for Bluetooth and Wifi, GPS (S4 also includes GLONASS), the CPU and the Adreno GPU.
All the above come in the same tinny chip that in the size of your nail. And all this is called the "chipset". Qualcomm does not use a separate antenna anymore its integrated to the chipset.
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With respect, that's not right - the antennas and RF components are external to the chipset.
Go and get the SAR compliance test report for Nokia 920 from the FCC's website, and you can see diagrams showing the external antennas for cellular, WLAN/BT and GPS which are positioned in various places inside the phone's chassis (btw, the LB MIMO antenna is about 7 cm long!)
Or go and check out the iFixit teardown for iPhone 5 and you can see the same kind of thing...
tomdjp said:
With respect, that's not right - the antennas and RF components are external to the chipset.
Go and get the SAR compliance test report for Nokia 920 from the FCC's website, and you can see diagrams showing the external antennas for cellular, WLAN/BT and GPS which are positioned in various places inside the phone's chassis (btw, the LB MIMO antenna is about 7 cm long!)
Or go and check out the iFixit teardown for iPhone 5 and you can see the same kind of thing...
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That is correct. Many manufactures are placing antenna extensions and putting additional GPS censor in more practical areas.
The actual GSM/WCDMA/LTE modem WiFi, Bluetooth and GPS for Qualacom solutions are placed inside the chipset.
Please see http://www.qualcomm.com/chipsets/snapdragon for more information.
4g / LTE
tomdjp said:
Has anyone tried using one of the white unlocked Lumia 920 from Clove (I guess the ones from Expansys are the same) on an LTE network?
Specifically, do you have the "4G" option in the "highest connection speed" settings?
In my case, although I am using an LTE SIM with an LTE network on a supported band, I only have "2G" and "3G" options in the Highest Connection Speed settings. So normally it is only connecting over HSPA. Through playing around a lot with scanning LTE bands with the Field Test tool (##3282#), I can sometimes get the device to connect to LTE, after which it works perfectly on LTE until reboot. But it's not really a long-term solution.
The default firmware on my device is country variant "CV GB SW Variant ID 276 v03" which (apart from the version number) seems to be the same firmware as that sold by Orange / T-Mobile in the UK (i.e. for 3G networks).
I was thinking about trying to flash the EE firmware, but concerned this could create other issues (such as end up locking the phone to EE, or to certain LTE bands, or something...). Any thoughts appreciated.
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I go into into field test mode and it says 4g then asks what LTE Band. My phone shows 4G not LTE in top left... is it LTE or 3G+?
Does anyone know what the different bands stand for? (band 5 etc) under the field service menu?
zok-star said:
Does anyone know what the different bands stand for? (band 5 etc) under the field service menu?
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Likely they are LTE bands (e.g. band 5 = 850 MHz), but as you probably noticed they don't completely match with the LTE band support of the device. Keep in mind this field test program was probably thrown together by Nokia's R&D guys for internal testing only (not for consumers), so could be a legacy of earlier testing, another device variant, or some other reason...
Anyway, it seems fine to keep this setting on Automatic.
dougwallace said:
I go into into field test mode and it says 4g then asks what LTE Band. My phone shows 4G not LTE in top left... is it LTE or 3G+?
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Hi Doug, could you share what version of the Lumia 920 you have, and which firmware?
As mentioned in my mail above, there seems no problem to leave the 4G band on automatic, and the bands available to be selected don't seem relevant. (My device picks up Band 1 LTE networks even though band 1 is not in the list).
Regarding 4G vs LTE, my device (unlocked UK CV) shows 4G in the top left when it is connected to LTE. I assume this can be changed by Nokia depending on the operator's requirement (esp in the US where 4G means HSPA...). You can be sure you're on LTE by going back to the field test menu, selecting GSM option, then looking at "Radio Access Technology". If you're on LTE, it should say LTE there.
tomdjp said:
Likely they are LTE bands (e.g. band 5 = 850 MHz), but as you probably noticed they don't completely match with the LTE band support of the device. Keep in mind this field test program was probably thrown together by Nokia's R&D guys for internal testing only (not for consumers), so could be a legacy of earlier testing, another device variant, or some other reason...
Anyway, it seems fine to keep this setting on Automatic.
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I've kept mine on all automatic and i have noticed it switch to 4G at times, but then when i go to use it, it'll flick back to 3G... I'll need to test this in CBD sometime this week.
I got my device from clove, but im in Australia on Telstra 4G network. They use 1800mhz.
zok-star said:
I've kept mine on all automatic and i have noticed it switch to 4G at times, but then when i go to use it, it'll flick back to 3G... I'll need to test this in CBD sometime this week.
I got my device from clove, but im in Australia on Telstra 4G network. They use 1800mhz.
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Hi, yes better to test in CBD where there's strong LTE signal.
In your Settings => Mobile Network, do you have a "4G" option under "Highest connection speed", or is it 2G and 3G only?
Hello All,
I have just purchased a Lumia 920 RED. On the box it says Nokia 920.1 CV FR Rouge.
It then says GSM & WCDMA and a load of frequencies.
Will this support LTE for internet (if my provider supports LTE of course).
Thanks for your comments.
Nicholas Cross
Since no-one has answered, I sent an e-mail directly to Nokia. Here is the response that they sent. It answers the question very nicely.
Thank you for contacting us with your concern.
This is in reference to your email to us asking about the support of the Nokia Lumia 920 to LTE (Long-Term Evolution or 4G network). We are more than happy to assist you on this.
In response to your concern, please be advised that all Nokia Lumia 920s support 2G, 3G and 4G network/LTE. This means that the phone can be used with the fastest network connection yet. This, however, will depend on the network provider you will be using your phone with. For example, if your current network provider do not support 4G network, the device's LTE capability will not be utilised and 3G network will be used.
To confirm this issue, we suggest that you contact your network provider and ask them if they do offer 4G network as the phone supports it indeed.
Looks like you got the European model.
The EU model has different LTE frequencies than the American one.
So depending in what country you will be using this device and what provider, the phone may support or not 3G and/or 4GLTE.
nMIK-3 said:
Looks like you got the European model.
The EU model has different LTE frequencies than the American one.
So depending in what country you will be using this device and what provider, the phone may support or not 3G and/or 4GLTE.
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Thanks for the response. Yes, I have the European version (since I live in Luxembourg). My question wasn't really whether it would get 3G here because of maybe not being on the right frequency, but whether it would get LTE since it didn't mention LTE on the box at all.
I have updated the rom a new version that the Nokia Care Suite found, and now it seems to have changed something because now it often shows that it is connecting as H+. I also asked my phone provider if they offer LTE on standard contracts, and they told me that they don't (for the moment) offer LTE on voice contracts. They only offer it on data ONLY contracts, so for the moment this means that H+ is the best that I can get.
So far, I am impressed with the device, but I am slightly concerned with the battery life. It doesn't seem to be as good as the HTC 7 Pro that I had before, and my wife's Lumia 900 also seems to get better battery life.
The device is new, so it could be that the battery needs "conditioning". Will see how things go.
Have a good weekend!!
nebc100 said:
Thanks for the response. Yes, I have the European version (since I live in Luxembourg).
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CV FR means Country Variant France, so you got the french version. german, french an belgium version should all support LTE 800/900/1800/2100/2600 so you will be fine (luxembourg uses 900/1800). i don't think there exists a version of the NL920 without LTE, but you can easily check it. go to settings -> mobile network and see what you can choose for highest connection speed. there should be 3 options, 2G/3G/4G (with the old Firmware it was LTE instead of 4G)
nebc100 said:
I also asked my phone provider if they offer LTE on standard contracts, and they told me that they don't (for the moment) offer LTE on voice contracts. They only offer it on data ONLY contracts, so for the moment this means that H+ is the best that I can get.
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Orange? They will offer LTE for voice contracts as soon as they get VoLTE ready. sometime in Q1 2013 if i remember correctly.
Thanks for the info regarding VoLTE!!
I had already checked the network settings, and that was why I was concerned. On my phone, it only offered 2G and 3G!!
I have since updated (using the Nokia Suite) the rom, and now the 4G option is there, and I have also seen the H+ symbol show on my data connection.
my only concern now is the battery life, and that seems to be MUCH better with the new rom.
have a great weekend.
I have a Lumia 920 unlocked German version which brought support for the 4G setting from release. I recently flashed it to the Austrian ROM given that I live in Austria. That removed the 4G option. Last friday I then decided to flash the phone to Portico as I hadn't had that much data added to it and that restored the 4G option.
This is in line with what Nokia had been communicating for some time: all Lumia 920 devices have LTE hardware on board but it is not enabled on all pending a future software update. With Portico this now seems to be the case. H+ has been working nicely for me even with the 3G only ROMs which makes sense given that it is just a faster transfer mode on top of UMTS.
I couldn't try out LTE yet as my carrier only has it operational in some locations quite some distance from my home. Therefore I currently have limited it to 3G to avoid the phone looking for an LTE network all the time.
Hi,
Got a Lumia 920 from Nokia at BUILD 2012, and it has been working perfectly here in Norway, but I am unable to do any testing of LTE. The provider, Telenor, has coverage where I want to test, but I can't seem to get a LTE connected properly, and Telenor only suggests getting support from Nokia directly or trying to get a firmware update as there are no wrong settings or restrictions in my subscription. The "extras+info" list the phone model as "RM-820_nam_canada_246".
Questions:
Is it possible to flash this dev model with the Telenor software/firmware or will that brick it?
Are there known LTE differences between this US/Canada model and the ones sold in Europe?
Will the Nokia Legal Action Force break down my doors for this?
Thanks!
The version we got at BUILD 2012 is a Canadian version L920. The frequency it supports is printed on the box. For LTE, it supports 700/850/1900/1700_2100 MHz which are primarily North American frequencies. Europeans use different frequency bands. You need to check with your carrier to see which frequency band its LTE service uses. There are more than two dozen different LTE frequency bands used through out the world. Hence there is no such thing as world LTE phones yet.
I wish I had one of those Build Nokia 920's. Single most wanted item in my list.
bmstrong said:
I wish I had one of those Build Nokia 920's. Single most wanted item in my list.
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It is not dev unlocked and so far received zero update from Nokia. Simply overrated.
Evening all,
Just a bit of advice, I'm looking to upgrade from my g8x to the v60. As the european/international version is virtually impossible to find, I'm looking at the unlocked USA variants of this phone. Does anyone have this model in the UK and can confirm that it works on 3g/4g OK? I've found different sources stating that some of the bands aren't present in the USA variants - not bothered about 5g, just as long as I can get 3 and 4g on o2 it's fine. Also tried frequency checker but it doesn't seem to list the v60 on there for some reason...
OK so I've just come across the website Kimovil, this seems to be more helpful - looks like the only one that is going to be any use is the Canadian variant of the phone, the USA versions from t mobile/at+t have most of the bands missing for use in the UK. Explains why they go for far less online!
Interesting have you got a link to that site or have a link of where to buy one that will be good for UK
Also looking to buy a v60 to use on the UK
Kimovil.com
Not really found anything other than links for the USA versions of the phone, they don't seem to have the correct bands for most of the UK networks. I'm just watching eBay and seeing what comes up...
I bought an ATT model, unlocked from Ebay. I live in The Netherlands and my provider, Simyo, uses the KPN network with 800mhz (band 20) and 1800mhz (band 3) for 4G/LTE. After inserting my sim everything worked right away. Calls, data, no problems at all. My provider does not support 5G yet
Edit: be aware that you will not receive updates like android 11 (if on 10) or security updates on the V600AM.
I bought the V600AM, I'm in the UK and I can confirm that it works with O2. The only issue is that phone will switch to 2G when making voice calls,soon after hang up it will switch back to 4G LTE.
poemadevil said:
I bought an ATT model, unlocked from Ebay. I live in The Netherlands and my provider, Simyo, uses the KPN network with 800mhz (band 20) and 1800mhz (band 3) for 4G/LTE. After inserting my sim everything worked right away. Calls, data, no problems at all. My provider does not support 5G yet
Edit: be aware that you will not receive updates like android 11 (if on 10) or security updates on the V600AM.
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OK that's useful to know, I'm still not sure about 3g support as where I live in the depths of rural Cornwall we seem to struggle a bit with 4g - it's OK when I'm outside but indoors tends to drop back to 3g, I can use wifi at least. Thanks for the info though
Karol75 said:
I bought the V600AM, I'm in the UK and I can confirm that it works with O2. The only issue is that phone will switch to 2G when making voice calls,soon after hang up it will switch back to 4G LTE.
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Yeah, the 3g coverage is a thing for me as I tend to only get 4g when outside, it reverts to 3g indoors and I think that may be an issue for me with this phone as it needs to be a daily driver - as far as I can see the USA variants don't support the right bands for UK use....
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Yeah, the 3g coverage is a thing for me as I tend to only get 4g when outside, it reverts to 3g indoors and I think that may be an issue for me with this phone as it needs to be a daily driver - as far as I can see the USA variants don't support the right bands for UK use....
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You could force the phone to be on "LTE Only" with an app from Gstore,but then you won't be able to receive and make voice calls. Not ideal, but considering this phone is from a US network,it will never be 100% compatible with UK Networks. If only someone would find a solution to root it!!!
Which bands use for UK?
Calls will be via 3g if your region coverage that bands.
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Which bands use for UK?
Calls will be via 3g if your region coverage that bands.
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Yes its supported, before buying ask seller to upgrade to android 11.