Why can't/hasn't HTC's Sense Launcher be ported? - Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I've always wondered, why hasn't the HTC sense Launcher (Rosie) ever been ported to other devices, from other companies, without means of a ROM port? After all, a vast majority of other launchers have been ported - Touchwiz, Xperia eDream, LG UI, Pantech UI... The list goes on really.
So why no love for Sense? I've never heard of any version of Sense ever being ported. Is the underlying framework stuff too complicated or something?
I'd just like some insight on the subject. Thanks in advance!
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Sense can be ported, but only to devices with similar hardware. You can't just port the launcher because it has many dependencies including the kernel. You pretty much have to port a whole sense ROM. Hope this answers your question.
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The sense Launcher requires HTC frameworks and drivers to work completely. Some ports have been done but none work 100% due to needing the above.

That's a shame, why does HTC make it complicated but not virtually every other OEM?
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I saw that before , HTC sense is so complex ,, if U need it U w'll work very Hard then will get bad Result

Yeah its not like you can just port the launcher. Like with touchwiz. It is too wrapped up in the whole os.
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Anything 4.0 and below is worthless. Us Thunderbolt users are using other launchers just because of how heavy sense is. By the time everything is done loading in a sense rom with the Rosie Launcher the rom leaves us with just under 200MB of ram to toy with. That's on a 700+ (odd number of ram) device...

Surpass said:
That's a shame, why does HTC make it complicated but not virtually every other OEM?
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Its completely intentional. HTC exists to sell phones. Their Sense features (like other manufacturer proprietary "skins") are part of what distinguish their products from the competition. They don't benefit from having their software run on another manufacturer's devices.
You see a similar philosophy with Samsung, and even more so. Sammy is less imaginative with their hardware design than HTC; but tends to rely on more innovative and unique software features to sell their devices. Because of that, they protect those features by making them difficult to port to other devices.

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[Q] Sense 3.0 for Galaxy S II

Hello there dear Andoid wizards.
Simple question. Is it possible/will it be possible/do you think it will be possible to port HTC Sense 3.0 to the Samsung Galaxy S II?
I'd like to know too. Not gonna lie, the new Sense looks amazing. They ported some form of Sense to the original SGS so I assume it will be possible. Don't think everything worked on those builds though.
No. I wish.
Due to CPU/GPU architecture and the closed source, 90% sure it won't be ported
Plus the problem of it been designed for a higher res screen will cause issues porting it
Higher res is not a problem. Running sense 3.0 on my desire hd. Thx to capy and his team
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I dont se why sense 3.0 shod be problem to port to SGS2 . I'm running sense 3.0. It was made possible by the amazing work of Flemmard and Diamondback, who reverse engiineered the m10 format and built an encoder/decoder. The two of them also made the specific adjustments necessary to this particular ROM's applications. It was also a collaborative effort across the DHD and G2/DZ communities. I've been using sense 3.0 for almost a week now and it works like charm.
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Due to CPU/GPU architecture and the closed source, 90% sure it won't be ported
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is it really because of the CPU/GPU? I really would like an Galaxy S II but I hate TouchWize and I love Sense (but HTC Sensation is inferior except for qHD resolution, build quality and of course Sense 3.0)
never say never, someone just needs to want it enough as is always the case, if a game can run on different CPU's then I am sure a UI can...
I think its only a matter of time as there is version of 2.3.3 with 3.0 look available for Desire HD and Z. To be honest I mostly want the widgets
Sense to be open-sourced
Hi Guys,
as you might already have caught, HTC is on a customer satisfaction rampage and announced to opensource Sense along with some other customizations yesterday!
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...h-scribe-tablet-pen-and-stereoscopic-3d-apis/
I think engadget did a scoop on it also.
With that Sense on SGS2 shouldnt be a problem right?
sense 3.0 can run on a lot of phones
sense 3.0 is a launcher with a bit of extra apps and framework,
now lets say we take all the apk's for the framework , apps and launcher and we install them on a samsung galaxy s2 then we have a probably pretty crappy version of sense 3.0 installed,
now we go to
lmgtfy.com/?q=htc+sense+3.0+rom+for+galaxy+s2
and we will find a good rom
reported working phones:
*galaxy s2
*galaxy
*desire A8181
*desire HD
*desire Z
*nexus one
thats the info i know
greetz tsukasa
What is so great about Sense?
tuxStyle said:
What is so great about Sense?
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It just looks much better than vanilla Android. It is all about how it looks.
The unlocking screen, the clock widget with weather, weather widget, the way onscreen keyboard looks...
Do the Sense 3 phones (like HTC Sensation) support all the hardware acceleration and media codecs that we have in the TW framework?
I also like Sense but I don't want a Sense ROM if I have to sacrifice my smooth UI, Browser acceleration and media codecs.
I had an HTC Desire HD and it did not have browser acceleration and media codec support though the launcher interface was fast and polished.
its imposible i think
stian230 said:
I dont se why sense 3.0 shod be problem to port to SGS2 . I'm running sense 3.0. It was made possible by the amazing work of Flemmard and Diamondback, who reverse engiineered the m10 format and built an encoder/decoder. The two of them also made the specific adjustments necessary to this particular ROM's applications. It was also a collaborative effort across the DHD and G2/DZ communities. I've been using sense 3.0 for almost a week now and it works like charm.
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So, how can we have it? im dying to see Sense 3.0 on my S2
Or you could just customize it without any modding
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I simply do not see why people are so obsessed with HTC Sense, this is coming from someone who owned a HD2 running Android for a year and a half, any sense build i had on my phone never ran as smoothly as a non sense build that is the absolute fact i tested numerous different ROM's and each and every time the non sense builds were faster and smoother,it might look good but at what cost?
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Or you could just customize it without any modding
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Please where is this apk?
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Chance of Sense ports?

Hey guys.
Am still being torn between the Sensation and the Galaxy S 2 and,although I'm inclining towards the GS2,I still have some issues.Two of them are the biggest:
Plastic body(can live with that) and the absence of Sense(made a rime there! ).
As for the second one,what do you guys think?I saw two days ago that Sense 2.1 has been ported almost fully to the Nexus S,so why wouldn't the GS2 be able to run,say,Sense 3?
Seriously though,imagine this beast and Sense 3.Magic!If it is possible,I'm most probably sold!
Buy a sensation
tolis626 said:
Hey guys.
Am still being torn between the Sensation and the Galaxy S 2 and,although I'm inclining towards the GS2,I still have some issues.Two of them are the biggest:
Plastic body(can live with that) and the absence of Sense(made a rime there! ).
As for the second one,what do you guys think?I saw two days ago that Sense 2.1 has been ported almost fully to the Nexus S,so why wouldn't the GS2 be able to run,say,Sense 3?
Seriously though,imagine this beast and Sense 3.Magic!If it is possible,I'm most probably sold!
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same for me, i'm now a few weeks without sense, and neither launcher pro nor any of the other launchers are comfortable or "smooth" in the same way sense was...
i'm sure it would be possible to port sense to sgs2, but i think this would be a lot of hard work. without some dedicated devs there is absolutely no chance.
in the meanwhile i'm enjoying the sgs2 very much, the hardware is way ahead of anything HTC could offer at the moment - the overall user experience is almost superb...
what do you guys miss because im not understanding. It doesnt offer the same functionality with sense on past Winmo devices. Im not trying to be rude but help me understand what you guys are missing. Is it the eyecandy or flipclock?
I'm curious..
Don't misinterpret the tone of what I'm about to ask.. I assure you it is merely an inquiry..
If people love the sense UI why wouldn't they just exclusively by HTC devices?
Again, don't get me wrong.. I've used Sense (HTC Touch Pro) and Touch Wiz (Captivate, Vibrant, and soon SGS II) and I too miss the integrated prettiness of SenseUI but SenseUI isn't gonna happen on a non-HC device.. I'd venture to say ever.. (If I'm in error here please correct me) Sure I know we cannot predict tomorrow but I've read way too many threads where people have tried and as with most cases with attempted ports there's just too much custom code related to Sense to port to a non-Sense environment.
I'd LOVE to see native SenseUI on a Galaxy class device.. Sadly I doubt we ever will..
Intruda119 we are kinda having a civilized thing here,not intended for flaming.Do you,like any normal human being,have an opinion?If yes,say it.Else,don't criticise others.
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mostyle said:
Don't misinterpret the tone of what I'm about to ask.. I assure you it is merely an inquiry..
If people love the sense UI why wouldn't they just exclusively by HTC devices?
Again, don't get me wrong.. I've used Sense (HTC Touch Pro) and Touch Wiz (Captivate, Vibrant, and soon SGS II) and I too miss the integrated prettiness of SenseUI but SenseUI isn't gonna happen on a non-HC device.. I'd venture to say ever.. (If I'm in error here please correct me) Sure I know we cannot predict tomorrow but I've read way too many threads where people have tried and as with most cases with attempted ports there's just too much custom code related to Sense to port to a non-Sense environment.
I'd LOVE to see native SenseUI on a Galaxy class device.. Sadly I doubt we ever will..
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Well,I want real power this time,that's why I'm turning to the Sam side!
Seriously though,I'd buy HTC again but all my smartphones have been HTC,so I kinda want a break.
What do I like in Sense?Mmm...Never had to answer that one before!Well,for me it's like they took all the good characteristics of other launchers and put them together in a nice,feature-packed(and resource-heavy however)interface.
Well,guess I'll try a detox...
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who cares about Sense? you want Sense UI? get a HTC. i won't be using Sense or TW4 anyways. you want Sense on SGS2? wait for half a year for devs to port a buggy, crashy copy.
people talking about ROMs and crap...wait, noobs....wait
I would like sense, but after reading engadget's review of how it is not as snappy as the galaxy s 2, I wouldn't want to hinder the galaxy s 2 and it's goodness.
I guess im the only one to use 1-2 homescreen pages.
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tolis626 said:
Hey guys.
Am still being torn between the Sensation and the Galaxy S 2 and,although I'm inclining towards the GS2,I still have some issues.Two of them are the biggest:
Plastic body(can live with that) and the absence of Sense(made a rime there! ).
As for the second one,what do you guys think?I saw two days ago that Sense 2.1 has been ported almost fully to the Nexus S,so why wouldn't the GS2 be able to run,say,Sense 3?
Seriously though,imagine this beast and Sense 3.Magic!If it is possible,I'm most probably sold!
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Just remember, software can be changed and upgraded. Hardware can't.
I only use 1.
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I guess im the only one to use 1-2 homescreen pages.
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CM and MIUI are infinitely more important to me than Sense. If I wanted HTC's restrictive UI on my GS2 I would have bought a HTC instead.
Anyway, I doubt you will see a proper port of Sense and all it's required libraries any time soon. They have only just managed to get a usable version on the Galaxy and that phone is over a year old.
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I would like sense, but after reading engadget's review of how it is not as snappy as the galaxy s 2, I wouldn't want to hinder the galaxy s 2 and it's goodness.
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I can't imagine it being laggy, it already runs pretty smooth on the desire anyway the whole sense experience makes things for users much smoother.
Pagnell said:
CM and MIUI are infinitely more important to me than Sense. If I wanted HTC's restrictive UI on my GS2 I would have bought a HTC instead.
Anyway, I doubt you will see a proper port of Sense and all it's required libraries any time soon. They have only just managed to get a usable version on the Galaxy and that phone is over a year old.
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the sense ports are now all based on aprechners's work which he began somewhere in april.
godutch said:
I can't imagine it being laggy, it already runs pretty smooth on the desire anyway the whole sense experience makes things for users much smoother.
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I'm not sure so much that it is lag. But if i have the same setup on launcherpro and sense and the same animation, the launcherpro just looks SOO MUCH smoother. THink it's something to do with the fps?
I'm curious as well. WHAT is it about Sense that everyone wants? I come from a WM background so for us it's that WM is ****ty and Sense provides a pretty and functional (or as functional as we can get) interface to the user. Android, however, is BRILLIANT and has plenty of apps and launchers and what not that it doesn't need you to have ANOTHER interface controlling everything. Isn't it a blessing not to have sense??
I'd really like to hear your guys opinions.
I think so, seeing as I got bored of it. and switched to launcherpro after a few months, however this was on my first ever android phone and I didn't even know that there was such a thing as a UI overlay for android! If I'd known you could get replacement launchers from the market I would have done it much earlier!
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I'm curious as well. WHAT is it about Sense that everyone wants? I come from a WM background so for us it's that WM is ****ty and Sense provides a pretty and functional (or as functional as we can get) interface to the user. Android, however, is BRILLIANT and has plenty of apps and launchers and what not that it doesn't need you to have ANOTHER interface controlling everything. Isn't it a blessing not to have sense??
I'd really like to hear your guys opinions.
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Well apart from having the best keyboard, email, message, gallery, contact, dialer, and widgets
like friendstream it's also the tight integration of everything with everything and it's beautiful too.
godutch said:
Well apart from having the best keyboard, email, message, gallery, contact, dialer, and widgets
like friendstream it's also the tight integration of everything with everything and it's beautiful too.
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I agree with the dialer and Widgets. But it hasn't got the best of everything else. Not to mention thr fact that there are better Widgets on the market. I've been using a custimizable, scrolling Calender for a long time now on launcherpro.
And don't know about sense 3 but the gallery on my desire really isn't amazing. Its pretty average and takes a llong time to load images.
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[Q] Why do people complain about HTC's Sense???

Not understanding all the Sense "hate" by people who know that it's HTC's trademark feature. Samsung has the Touchwiz and Motorola has their Motoblur...and HTC has Sense. But people talk about wanting a "pure Android experience"...What? The crappy basic icons that look as though a 5 yr old made them? What is a "pure Android experience" anyway? It's like buying a Mustang GT then *****ing about the GT and complaining to Ford that you want a "pure Mustang experience"...without the 5.0. If you want a "pure Android experience", why not purchase an LG Android device next time because they seem pretty basic instead of an HTC device with Sense. Isn't Sense the reason most of us were attracted to the device? We thought it was stylish and neat. It was the reason for me, anyway. The bottom line is that it just seems a bit ridiculous to purchase a device then complain about the devices main feature after KNOWING the feature is on the device. Hope those who compain about not wanting Sense on their HTC device find that "pure Android experience" they so desperately desire...let us know how it works out for ya. I personally like Sense and look forward to it's development. Cool story, eh?
Well....the borked bluetooth stack kinda sucks for one.
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Ok, not being a smartass, but what does that have to do with Sense? Wouldn't that be a device hardware issue? I really DON'T understand. I thought Sense was basically, in a nutchell, HTC's customization or am I off on this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Sense
"Pure Android Experience", meaning to have just the basic features."...People who want this, you guys have fun with your phones. (rolling eyes) May as well just go get an iPhone ;-)
Sense may look pretty, but it's one of the reasons why are stock batteries are awful!! I have 2 roms in the gsm thread, my senseless gingerdex and my gingerdex with sense.
My senseless rom gives me roughly 40-50% more battery life??? With the same kernel and setup on both.
There is about 70mb of sense related bloatware I removed.
I like the sense, however it's sluggish and slows down our phones.
Wait till you try a aosp rom the speed is scary fast, and I like to customize my phone, for me with sense gone, I have no choice but to roam the app market and completely create my own unique look.
Just my opinion
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Ok, not being a smartass, but what does that have to do with Sense? Wouldn't that be a device hardware issue? I really DON'T understand. I thought Sense was basically, in a nutchell, HTC's customization or am I off on this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Sense
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It has to do with Sense because it's Sense-specific. HTC uses some weird implementation of Bluetooth so it doesn't always work properly. AOSP roms don't have this issue, generally.
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HTC screwed up Bluetooth. These guys aren't making it up. Throw an AOSP ROM on the 3d and it sounds great. On sense it sounds like garbage.
That's my primary beef with sense. Fix Bluetooth or give us a standard AOSP rom
Ok, I get the battery and bluetooth issue. Thanks for your input guys. I've wanted to root my phone but I have HBOOT 1.5 and it seems to be just a hassle anymore in addition to not wanting to flash a ROM that doesn't have everything working, so screw it.
Im pretty sure the biggest feature of this phone is not sense and most likely is the 3d. wether or not thats the reason you bought it that is this phones mightiest point.
However neither of these are the reasons i bought this phone, i bought it cause it has a good hardware design and the specs are all top notch.
And yes I ABSOLUTELY despise Sense and its lack of customizability.
Sense is good for some people and bad for others. I personally love it, but I still run AOSP just as often as I do Sense. Options are never a bad thing, and Sense is maturing finely. The next generation should improve on battery life with quad cores and sleeker Sense versions.
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Well stated, Sora. I get it now. Thanks
I gotta say I prefer sense I like some of the features it has...
I would be running CM if they were pumpin roms out but due to the 3D part of the camera going away can't say I would be using it for long..
Anyway sense isn't bad has some ups and downs...
Samsung touch wiz sucks lol man I never liked it on the EPIC...
Never tried the Photon.. So I can't say much about it...
Been liking Fresh Rom battery life is great on it since most of the junk bloat was pulled..... No issues...
What bluetooth issue are you guys referring to? I use my jaybird freedoms and everything works great
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Personally I like sense, but it is far from perfect. Bluetooth is finnicky and doesn't work with a six axis controller, sense in general is a very obese implementation of android which generally slows everything down, the screen drivers seem very buggy, etc.
Generally everything works on it, but it's far from perfect. I have a feeling ICS will be a huge upgrade all around though as they've had plenty of time to refine everything for this hardware.
Gotta say this was enlightening. I have heard people show utter disdain for sense and didn't really know why. I like it myself but to each his own.
Sounds like OP is just pissed he's a 1.5'er. And don't ever compare a pure android experience to an iPhone. Shame on you
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My 2 cents
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Sounds like OP is just pissed he's a 1.5'er. And don't ever compare a pure android experience to an iPhone. Shame on you
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You get a thanks just for stating that "don't ever compare" part.
My 2 cents on this, I switch between Sense and custom LAUNCHERS often, tried Nemus Launcher, Go Launcher and ADW in the past. Can't say which is the best. Never had a custom ROM so far so can't compare performance under Sense with performance on custom ROMs, but I'd imagine the customs would run faster without all the Sense bloatware.
At the moment, I'm just waiting for ICS upgrade, after which I'll unlock, root and back up the NAND for Sense 4.0... and then on to get some custom ROM goodness hehe!
I hate Sense. I like HTC devices.
Sense is bloated and totally inefficient. It's also locked down in too many ways.
I prefer ADW Launcher + Android Pro Widgets. I feel it's snappier with more customization options, and it doesn't affect my battery life.
I go from an HTC Sense ROM to a Senseless ROM and my battery life goes through the roof.
Because it sucks?
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I used to downright despise sense, but that's because HTC put a bloated, slow operating system on a really slow phone (I'm talking about the HTC Hero CDMA here, my first android). The only ROMs I ever ran on my Hero were CM6 and CM7 nightlies because those were the only ROMs my phone could handle without lagging way behind me (i.e. on sense, I could type fast enough on my hero that I'd get multiple words ahead of what the screen was displaying).
HOWEVER I've fallen in love with sense now that I have my Evo 3D, because the hardware is so much better in this phone that the phone can actually handle running it's own OS smoothly now.
ICS is pretty awesome from the few ICS ROMs I've tried, but I'm sticking with sense for stability, a working camera, and the battery life (I'm running infectedROM eternity and the battery life is amazing on that ROM)
I love sense WOULDN'T BUY AN HTC MOBILE WITHOUT IT.

[REQ] Sony Xperia U Sense rom ?!

Hello every one...
i was just wondering if someone can port a sense rom for the xperia U ? i think it would be awesome for sense lovers
can someone port a sense rom for it ?!!
Hey there Sayed.
A Sense ROM is going to be a hard one to achieve for our handheld devices to be honest mate.
For pretty much 2 reasons : 1) Sense ROMS are hardware dependant ( They do check if your device is a HTC or not)
and 2)Sense is a copyright'ed product,which means that the user who ported Sense to our devices will get a lawsuit for Copyright infringement.
But to be honest ,while i know everyone has his own tastes,i dont know whats so special about Sense,my gf's HTC Evo 3D has Sense and tbh,i hate it. Its more confusing ,more resource consumer and not exactly that pretty.
If you want a taste of sense on your phone,just download Sense Analog Clock widget and the Sense theme for Go Launcher EX.
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Hey there Sayed.
A Sense ROM is going to be a hard one to achieve for our handheld devices to be honest mate.
For pretty much 2 reasons : 1) Sense ROMS are hardware dependant ( They do check if your device is a HTC or not)
and 2)Sense is a copyright'ed product,which means that the user who ported Sense to our devices will get a lawsuit for Copyright infringement.
But to be honest ,while i know everyone has his own tastes,i dont know whats so special about Sense,my gf's HTC Evo 3D has Sense and tbh,i hate it. Its more confusing ,more resource consumer and not exactly that pretty.
If you want a taste of sense on your phone,just download Sense Analog Clock widget and the Sense theme for Go Launcher EX.
Respect
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mmm... yes your right:good:
i was just wondering if someone can do it !! anyway thanks a lot
2 thing is wrong
You can port without copyright issues, because Android is open source.
Sense is ported to other non htc devices
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xtrmshadow said:
Hey there Sayed.
A Sense ROM is going to be a hard one to achieve for our handheld devices to be honest mate.
For pretty much 2 reasons : 1) Sense ROMS are hardware dependant ( They do check if your device is a HTC or not)
and 2)Sense is a copyright'ed product,which means that the user who ported Sense to our devices will get a lawsuit for Copyright infringement.
But to be honest ,while i know everyone has his own tastes,i dont know whats so special about Sense,my gf's HTC Evo 3D has Sense and tbh,i hate it. Its more confusing ,more resource consumer and not exactly that pretty.
If you want a taste of sense on your phone,just download Sense Analog Clock widget and the Sense theme for Go Launcher EX.
Respect
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There's already port of sense for galaxy nexus. It doesn't really works in 100%, but boots, so maybe those two are not really issues. Maybe someone hacked it to think that gnex.is HTC or something, but that's somehow possible to port sense.
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helauncher.apk
google it, it'll give you sense dock and stock google app drawer.
u can wait for cm9 or cm10 and get htc theme for those , i have cm10 ( xperia ray ) and it looks like htc
its somehow being ported here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1956936
but i think as our hardware is way too Different for other devices its really hard to port it,,

[Discussion] Sense versus AOSP Perspectives

This discussion started as a question in one of the CM10 threads asking how users that want an AOSP experience over HTC Sense as a daily driver wound up with the Evo 3D. It then began evolving into a debate about Sense versus AOSP so I thought it would be a good idea to move it out of that thread. Please keep it civil here or I'm sure the mods will close this thread, as I would expect them to do.
I'll start off by saying I really don't mind Sense and like the direction it has taken with the 4.x releases, so I don't consider it a compromise to run Sense ROM's to take advantage of more features of the Evo 3D. OTOH, I like to run AOSP ROM's to see what future versions of Android are bringing to our devices, and the simplicity of the AOSP interface is a pleasant change of pace, not to mention things like ParanoidAndroid that aren't available for Sense ROM's.
Here's another Sense user's experience using AOSP.
I'm not sure yet what my next device will be which is one of the reasons I'm interested in this discussion. If everyone else has heard enough in the CM10 thread already, just ignore this one and it will go away in a day or two.
ramjet73
In terms of look and design, AOSP>Sense (graphic designer here). Sense may look flashy and "poppy" but it's the same look that HTC incorporated with in the original WinMo version of sense known as TouchFlo back in 2008 I believe. Back then, this style was all the craze and was fitting for it's time, hence the design style of iOS on the original iPhone, which has also not changed. But that was nearly five years ago, and design style and standards have changed. Google has done a great job of keeping up to date with design by keeping things "clean" by minimizing fake shadows, gradients, and object that are given false dimension. In my opinion, Windows Phone is designed extremely well and is, in some ways, setting the standard on UI design, just look at how it carried that look over to Windows 8 and what MySpace's new look is like. It's all about simplicity. As a graphic designer, I cannot stand the look of Sense; it's dated and overly designed. But unfortunately, I bet that HTC (just like Apple) won't reconsider a major UI overhaul do to recognizability and brand association with Sense. All of this is just just my personal opinion though, and each is entitled their own
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In terms of look and design, AOSP>Sense (graphic designer here). Sense may look flashy and "poppy" but it's the same look that HTC incorporated with in the original WinMo version of sense known as TouchFlo back in 2008 I believe. Back then, this style was all the craze and was fitting for it's time, hence the design style of iOS on the original iPhone, which has also not changed. But that was nearly five years ago, and design style and standards have changed. Google has done a great job of keeping up to date with design by keeping things "clean" by minimizing fake shadows, gradients, and object that are given false dimension. In my opinion, Windows Phone is designed extremely well and is, in some ways, setting the standard on UI design, just look at how it carried that look over to Windows 8 and what MySpace's new look is like. It's all about simplicity. As a graphic designer, I cannot stand the look of Sense; it's dated and overly designed. But unfortunately, I bet that HTC (just like Apple) won't reconsider a major UI overhaul do to recognizability and brand association with Sense. All of this is just just my personal opinion though, and each is entitled their own
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i think i have to agree with that, sense is just too much trying to be accomplished graphically on a 4inch phone. yeah the animations are nice, but they arent worth slowing down your phone. you have a phone to do the things you need it to do, the rest is just bonus.
then again, im also a person who uses the classic theme on windows 7 despite having a decent computer to run aero and still run tons of programs at once.
last point, google has come a long way and you're finally able to see that when they released gingerbread. sense 3.0 w/ gingerbread was probably the last sense that i liked that was released otr for our phones because gingerbread was just repulsive. sense 4.0 i love because it's cleaner than the previous, and really snappy. but it's still sense and you get tired of it.
htc makes solid phones, but their os is starting to turn me away. but until samsung makes phones that arent plastic. ill forever use my 3vo and flash aosp roms.
It's funny how everyone on HTC phones hates sense (except me and a few others), yet people on samsung and LG beg for sense...
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Let me throw this out for the people that prefer the AOSP look.
Given the changes in the Sense 4.x versions is HTC Sense still salvageable as an enhancement to AOSP or should HTC scrap it and convert it's widgets, which seem to be the most popular part of Sense, to work with Trebuchet and other launchers?
If HTC actually builds a Nexus phone, we may get a chance to vote with our dollars (or whatever currency you use).
ramjet73
VictoriousShooter said:
It's funny how everyone on HTC phones hates sense (except me and a few others), yet people on samsung and LG beg for sense...
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Man I am a die hard sense fan in my mind I don't think nothing else compares to it
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I got the evo 3D because I though sense was awesome. After a month I got bored and missed AOSP sooo much
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Reason why I bought the EVO was for sense, always liked it always will
( Don't ask me for help, as I couldn't care if your phone explodes, eh!!!)
I originally got the evo 3d because at the time I thought sense 3.0 was awsome it looked cool as hell. As well as it was one of the best phones sprint carried at the time. But then after a month or so I couldn't stand it and I went on the search for aosp or as close to it as I could get. My next device will definitely be a nexus device. Not only because I dislike sense at this point but because of the hell we went through waiting for ics and source code.
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Sense is "pretty" and ya all the ROMs have working cam but aosp just has so much more freedom. Only time I'm rocking sense is when I'm taking a pic
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As others have said, first off, I like the "tweakability" of AOSP when compared to sense. Much more freedom to do what I want and this expands with CM, AOKP, and other special builds.
Second, the simplicity and streamlining of AOSP is *far* superior to anything that sense has to offer. I'm not a graphic designer, but I am a photographer so I'd say that, at the very least, I have an eye for the aesthetics of things around me. AOSP, in its newer iterations (namely, ICS and AOSP - since the new standards were introduced) has a ridiculous amount of polish and aesthetic appeal when compared to pretty much any other Android offering.
I understand that aesthetics are a completely subjective thing. A lot of people here seem to like very flashy stuff - gold-themed roms, animated 3d spinning boot screens, really bright colors, outrageous text, biohazard signs, etc. That's not my cup-of-tea personally, but if you're into that stuff I can see why you might not like AOSP.
Finally, It was incredibly hard to predict exactly what would happen concerning our phones and AOSP. When I picked up my Evo 3D, I was a huge fan of HTC hardware after owning a Mytouch 3G as my first android phone and having it survive two large water accidents. I assumed that great devs would eventually get AOSP working on it and I was ok living with Sense until that happened.
Nothing against Sense, I'm sure there are plenty of reasons for people to like it, but I've spent over a year with both (I very recently switched back to AOSP on my 3D) and I heavily prefer AOSP.
I like sense its not horrible. and the things I've seen done with it through chubbzs ports of 4.0 and 4.1 But I've had sense for quite awhile and I like the simplicity and tweakage of aosp Aokp cm and CnA. It's just different and I'm looking for something different. I know sense is going to be more stable and more functional but I'm willing to deal with a much less stable Rom just for something different. It makes my phone feel like a new phone and its a little smoother IMO
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I'm definitely not married to Sense anymore. When I first got my Evo 4G I really liked it, but once 4G was implemented into AOSP I flashed it and ran AOSP for months. Only going back to Sense once in a while. My Old EVO 4G is back on a Sense ROM though, Karma 7.7.7 (if I remember it right.)
Sense 4 is much sleeker and faster and I wish it was complete. If things weren't broken, I would be all over a Sense 4 ROM. But, I'd do the same on AOSP if there was a complete build of that. Ultimately, that is what keeps me on 3.6. Not it's style, look, how bloated it is (and it does have some heft.) But the fact that everything works, I can't stand not having everything worked that I paid for, whether I use them daily or not.
i liked sense 3.0 when it first came out. it was new and cool. it's still ok to be honest. but i miss AOSP. the newer versions of sense are nice as well but i just refuse to sacrifice 4G. i dont really mind losing 3D. never really used it. and i know 4G doesnt really work on any AOSP roms either. so i just desensify sense based roms to get as close to AOSP as i can. i was using CM9 on an old Droid X i inherited and i loved it. i wish we had a fully functioning CM build....
I really like Sense and I really like AOSP. (especially since ICS) the only possible way to ever choose between both was to own an HTC Device running sense. So that's what I've done since the Hero days. (Granite you needed AOSP for that device)
You can't buy a nexus device, and expect to get Sense on it, but you can buy a Sense device and get AOSP ROM's for it.
I like both, and the ability to choose. That's why I chose the EVO 3D (and HTC phones in general)
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I really like Sense and I really like AOSP. (especially since ICS) the only possible way to ever choose between both was to own an HTC Device running sense. So that's what I've done since the Hero days. (Granite you needed AOSP for that device)
You can't buy a nexus device, and expect to get Sense on it, but you can buy a Sense device and get AOSP ROM's for it.
I like both, and the ability to choose. That's why I chose the EVO 3D (and HTC phones in general)
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That's actually a really good way to look at it. You can get both on HTC and you can't anywhere else. I don't see many people clammering for TouchWiz on an LG. lol
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That's actually a really good way to look at it. You can get both on HTC and you can't anywhere else. I don't see many people clammering for TouchWiz on an LG. lol
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this may sound bad.....
but i actually would like to see touchwiz on an htc device one day. i just wanna experience touchwiz for like a week or so without having to buy a plastic contain to hold all my phone's parts
johnnyboi1994 said:
this may sound bad.....
but i actually would like to see touchwiz on an htc device one day. i just wanna experience touchwiz for like a week or so without having to buy a plastic contain to hold all my phone's parts
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There's a rom with touchwiz on the og evo .. I actually liked it when I had my og evo a few months back
johnnyboi1994 said:
this may sound bad.....
but i actually would like to see touchwiz on an htc device one day. i just wanna experience touchwiz for like a week or so without having to buy a plastic contain to hold all my phone's parts
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Have at it!
Here's a port of the Galaxy S3 version that's been tested with ICS on the Evo 3D and here's an overview of the S3 version.
If you Google around a bit you should be able to find some TouchWiz widgets as well.
ramjet73
I like sense but it is heavy and uses more battery compared to aosp. I like aosp too and I prefer it! Is more light, smooth and I like the android grapich
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