as per title..anyone? mean to say PORTABLE.
I've stopped using gs2 to listen to music long time as the volume is too low and also finding harder to drive my headphones to full. Just only yesterday, my iriver broke and in the market for new player. Thinking whether should be better off with just getting Fiio E6.
yes, we do lack line out through usb (very hopeful that it'll be put on ICS) and the only way to connect is through headphone out which is already amplified.
impressions pls. Thanks.
starfarer said:
as per title..anyone? mean to say PORTABLE.
I've stopped using gs2 to listen to music long time as the volume is too low and also finding harder to drive my headphones to full. Just only yesterday, my iriver broke and in the market for new player. Thinking whether should be better off with just getting Fiio E6.
yes, we do lack line out through usb (very hopeful that it'll be put on ICS) and the only way to connect is through headphone out which is already amplified.
impressions pls. Thanks.
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volume is too low???? either your ears or s2 is done!!!!
think it's both. But yes normally I listen to a high level of volume and gs2 is the one of the lowest sounding device (ie through headphone out) i've ever owned. Not made for each other and made worst by owning couple of higher impedance headphones.
i have been using a FiiO E5 from when i had a n900, i think the volume is too low on the s2 aswell, i think you can get them for less than 20quid now, deffo worth it imo
thanks for that. I'm almost set my heart to buy one of these for later to be paired with sansa clip+ or similar. Probably will be cheaper and better than cowon's or sony x's. It's just curious what will be the effect on sound which is already amplified as HO in gs2.
Try Voodoo Louder from the Market for a 6dB increase, or the app in my sig for more than that. I use Brainwavz M3's with this app & find I only need to have volume at around 30% even in noisy environments (public transport, walking around town).
I've not found the S2 volume to be too bad, but I've used both one of the small "pop up" speakers, as well as a full blown amp, and a car headphone in socket - all absolutely fine.
you've tried Equalizer?, is in the market, is very good. regarding your original question, i use mine with logitech LB21, and it's sounds amazing.
Regards.
with Poweramp I think the sound is louder than the music original application, you can find it on the market
yes i use the E6 - it works fine and the quality is good.
Do not use any of the EQ's etc as suggested here to get it louder. The samsung internal amp can only go so loud without distorting - all u are doing with software boosts is dynamically effecting the music you are listening to. Somewhat like the radio does. It makes all of the instruments in the track as loud as each other by compressing the loudest sounds and lifting the volume of the lower ones. If you really want to get a louder performance from your phone use different headphones - that run on less ohms or use an external portable amp like any of Eii's series.
that's a very good explanation. I've also tried with low impedance headphones but still lacks the "punch". My bad as in OP I used the wrong word "loud" instead of "punch".
so what's the effect of E6 on already amplified Headphone out? just to amplify few dbs on all spectrums??
Rockbox on [email protected] and [email protected] with Voodoo [email protected] did improve the overall sound. Also maybe in that time, my ears started to adjust with the sound coming off GS2. Found similar thread here where ppl's had good experience with amplifer. Ordered Fiio E11 and will post impressions arrive.
Hello everyone,
I recently purchased a Xiaomi Piston 3 headset to use with my Nexus 6P, and I was disappointed to discover that I was unable to lower the volume of sound through the decrease volume button on the headset. I initially believed this was the result of a defective audio jack on my Nexus 6P, since the headset worked fine on a friend's Nexus 5X. However, after discovering reports of other people having the same issue with the Xiaomi Piston 3 headset, I did some tests to see if I could figure out what could be causing this issue.
I used three wired headsets with in-line remote controls (including volume) for my tests: the Xiaomi Piston 3, Samsung HS330, and Sennheiser Momentum In-Ear headset. All three headsets fully support in-line remote controls for Android devices, and they all worked properly on a Nexus 5X. Both the Xiaomi Piston 3 and Samsung HS330 had the same results, but the Sennheiser Momentum In-Ear headset had different results. Here are my results:
Xiaomi Piston 3 and Samsung HS330 headsets
Listening to music on the Google Play Music app: increasing volume and pause/play worked, but decreasing volume did not work.
Listening to music on the home screen with the Google Play Music app running in the background: increasing volume and pause/play worked, but decreasing volume did not work.
Listening to music with the screen turned off and With screen locked and Google Play Music running in the background: increasing volume and pause/play worked, but decreasing volume did not work.
Sennheiser Momentum In-Ear headset
Listening to music on the Google Play Music app: increasing volume, decreasing volume, and pause/play worked.
Listening to music on the home screen with the Google Play Music app running in the background: increasing volume and pause/play worked, but decreasing volume did not work.
Listening to music with the screen turned off and With screen locked and Google Play Music running in the background: increasing volume, decreasing volume, and pause/play worked.
I am not an audio expert, but I was surprised by these results. I have no idea why both the Xiaomi Piston 3 and Samsung HS330 headsets were unable to decrease sound volume, but the Sennheiser Momentum In-Ear headset was able to do so in most situations. I am also very puzzled as to why the Sennheiser Momentum In-Ear headset was able to decrease volume while in the Google Play Music app and while running the app in the background with the screen turned off, but running the app in the background while on the home screen caused the volume problem to occur.
Hopefully someone more knowledgeable on audio can make sense of these results. It would also be great if others who have a Nexus 6P and a wired headset with Android compatible in-line remote controls (including volume) can test them and post their results here. At best we might be able to find a pattern to this issue, and at the very least we can create a list of headsets with in-line remote controls that have been verified to work.
TheHeeyyy said:
Hello everyone,
I recently purchased a Xiaomi Piston 3 headset to use with my Nexus 6P, and I was disappointed to discover that I was unable to lower the volume of sound through the decrease volume button on the headset. I initially believed this was the result of a defective audio jack on my Nexus 6P, since the headset worked fine on a friend's Nexus 5X. However, after discovering reports of other people having the same issue with the Xiaomi Piston 3 headset, I did some tests to see if I could figure out what could be causing this issue.
I used three wired headsets with in-line remote controls (including volume) for my tests: the Xiaomi Piston 3, Samsung HS330, and Sennheiser Momentum In-Ear headset. All three headsets fully support in-line remote controls for Android devices, and they all worked properly on a Nexus 5X. Both the Xiaomi Piston 3 and Samsung HS330 had the same results, but the Sennheiser Momentum In-Ear headset had different results. Here are my results:
Xiaomi Piston 3 and Samsung HS330 headsets
Listening to music on the Google Play Music app: increasing volume and pausing worked, but decreasing volume did not work.
Listening to music on the home screen with the Google Play Music app running in the background: increasing volume and pausing worked, but decreasing volume did not work.
Listening to music with the screen turned off and With screen locked and Google Play Music running in the background: increasing volume and pausing worked, but decreasing volume did not work.
Sennheiser Momentum In-Ear headset
Listening to music on the Google Play Music app: increasing volume, decreasing volume, and pausing worked.
Listening to music on the home screen with the Google Play Music app running in the background: increasing volume and pausing worked, but decreasing volume did not work.
Listening to music with the screen turned off and With screen locked and Google Play Music running in the background: increasing volume, decreasing volume, and pausing worked.
I am not an audio expert, but I was surprised by these results. I have no idea why both the Xiaomi Piston 3 and Samsung HS330 headsets were unable to decrease sound volume, but the Sennheiser Momentum In-Ear headset was able to do so in most situations. I am also very puzzled as to why the Sennheiser Momentum In-Ear headset was able to decrease volume while in the Google Play Music app and while running the app in the background with the screen turned off, but running the app in the background while on the home screen caused the volume problem to occur.
Hopefully someone more knowledgeable on audio can make sense of these results. It would also be great if others who have a Nexus 6P and a wired headset with Android compatible in-line remote controls (including volume) can test them and post their results here. At best we might be able to find a pattern to this issue, and at the very least we can create a list of headsets with in-line remote controls that have been verified to work.
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I have a couple of sets of the piston 2. My first 6P didn't even recognise anything was plugged into the headset. Would simply not play audio through the jack. I tried 3 more brands a Klipsch and Jaybirds and an Apple pair. The Klipsch recognised only 50% of the time and remote would not work other than Pause/Play. The Jaybirds played but remote did not work at all and Apple earbuds worked but only play/pause
I got a new 6P to replace that model and headphone situation is much the same however it recognises the Piston 2's but may have to plug in and out a couple of times and again remote does not work at all.
All these headphones work with the myriad of Android devices I've had this year and last including
Moto X Pure 2014, M9, S6 Edge, Edge +, Note 5, Moto X Style, Nexus 6, OnePlus 2, Xperia Z3 and even Apple 6 plus & 6S Plus ...
So clearly nothing physically with the headphones. I'm not sure WTF is going on with the headphone support and the 6P but suffice to say I'm extremely disappointed by it so far.
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nookcoloruser said:
I have a couple of sets of the piston 2. My first 6P didn't even recognise anything was plugged into the headset. Would simply not play audio through the jack. I tried 3 more brands a Klipsch and Jaybirds and an Apple pair. The Klipsch recognised only 50% of the time and remote would not work other than Pause/Play. The Jaybirds played but remote did not work at all and Apple earbuds worked but only play/pause
I got a new 6P to replace that model and headphone situation is much the same however it recognises the Piston 2's but may have to plug in and out a couple of times and again remote does not work at all.
All these headphones work with the myriad of Android devices I've had this year and last including
Moto X Pure 2014, M9, S6 Edge, Edge +, Note 5, Moto X Style, Nexus 6, OnePlus 2, Xperia Z3 and even Apple 6 plus & 6S Plus ...
So clearly nothing physically with the headphones. I'm not sure WTF is going on with the headphone support and the 6P but suffice to say I'm extremely disappointed by it so far.
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Thank you for posting your findings. I have seen posts on Reddit with Nexus 6P owners having issues with the Xiaomi Piston 2 headset. It looks like no one has had any luck with getting the in-line remote controls working, and some people are not able to play audio through it at all. The seemingly random results people are having is making me wonder if it is an issue with the quality of the audio jack on the Nexus 6P, the audio connector on the Xiaomi Piston 2 headset, or both.
Your results for the Apple earbuds are to be expected, as headsets designed for Apple devices can only pause and play audio on Android devices. I believe the Jaybird headset uses wireless Bluetooth, so that problem could be the result of a compatibility issue with the Nexus 6P's Bluetooth 4.2 connectivity (despite supposedly being backwards compatible). It would be greatly appreciate if you could post which model Klipsch headset you used, as that can help us create a list of headsets that have been tested out by Nexus 6P owners and the results people had.
Just for some background, that this has been an ongoing issue with android phones for a very long time.
The issue is how each manufacturer wires their headphone jack. Some headsets use the tip or the ring to transmit the remote signals over, and if the headphone jack in the phone is not able to "receive" this signal, or was not setup to get anything but the negative signal on the tip, then you are out of luck.
With there not being a true standard in how phone headsets are wired (the iphone has a way they do it, and then in android they have several ways that the manufacturers wire the phones and then the headsets have the same issues with this).
So... you need to figure out how the headphone jack on the 6P is wired, then we can figure out which headphones will easily work and which ones will for sure have trouble. I am betting that there is something that either has been leaked or was released by Huawei that you can find this out. I will do some poking around as well and see what I can figure out.
I use these, they work fine both pause/play and volume up and down.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00HSJRT7I
Sent from a 128th Legion Stormtrooper 6P.
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Just for some background, that this has been an ongoing issue with android phones for a very long time.
The issue is how each manufacturer wires their headphone jack. Some headsets use the tip or the ring to transmit the remote signals over, and if the headphone jack in the phone is not able to "receive" this signal, or was not setup to get anything but the negative signal on the tip, then you are out of luck.
With there not being a true standard in how phone headsets are wired (the iphone has a way they do it, and then in android they have several ways that the manufacturers wire the phones and then the headsets have the same issues with this).
So... you need to figure out how the headphone jack on the 6P is wired, then we can figure out which headphones will easily work and which ones will for sure have trouble. I am betting that there is something that either has been leaked or was released by Huawei that you can find this out. I will do some poking around as well and see what I can figure out.
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True, although both the Nexus 5 and Nexus 6 supported inline remote volume controls, and I do not recall either headset having this particular issue. You would think any headset with an OMTP connector would work fine on an Android device (as appears to be the case with my own tests on the Nexus 5X), but the results I have been seeing with the Xiaomi Piston 2 headset alone have been incredibly inconsistent. Hopefully you or someone else can make sense of these results, but for now I am sticking to the theory that the issue is related to both the headphone jack of the Nexus 6P and the audio connector of whichever headset is used on it.
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I use these, they work fine both pause/play and volume up and down.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00HSJRT7I
Sent from a 128th Legion Stormtrooper 6P.
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Thanks for pointing that out. At some point I will make a list of everyone's results and post it in the OP.
I had a chat with Google support this afternoon about why he volume down button on my headphone remote doesn't work with the 6P, but it works fine with the 6. They said they're aware that some people are having issues and are supposed to elevate it and get back with me.
In the meantime, I found the "Android Wired Audio Headset Specification v1.1" which is the first link in Google if you search for that. It has reference values for resistances and tolerances and a test circuit.
Turns out the volume down button on my headset does not conform to the spec. It has a resistance of 616 ohms rather than the 470 ohm +/- 1% in the spec.
My volume up is 216 ohms, which also doesn't match the spec of 240 ohm +/- 1%, but evidently they made the tolerance wider than the spec, which suggests that the volume down tolerance could be increased as well like in the Nexus 6, but no guarantees there.
matthewbudraitis said:
I had a chat with Google support this afternoon about why he volume down button on my headphone remote doesn't work with the 6P, but it works fine with the 6. They said they're aware that some people are having issues and are supposed to elevate it and get back with me.
In the meantime, I found the "Android Wired Audio Headset Specification v1.1" which is the first link in Google if you search for that. It has reference values for resistances and tolerances and a test circuit.
Turns out the volume down button on my headset does not conform to the spec. It has a resistance of 616 ohms rather than the 470 ohm +/- 1% in the spec.
My volume up is 216 ohms, which also doesn't match the spec of 240 ohm +/- 1%, but evidently they made the tolerance wider than the spec, which suggests that the volume down tolerance could be increased as well like in the Nexus 6, but no guarantees there.
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@matthewbudraitis thank you for the update. I subscribed to this thread, please keep us posted if you hear anything back from them.
I did hear back from Google, but they just asked a few questions about which headset I have and if it happens with all apps.
In the meantime, I did a little more research.
I tested both the Nexus 6P and Nexus 6 with some resistors to see how they work in relation to the spec. The Nexus 6P will recognize a volume down command from 330 ohms to 560 ohms, which explains why the 612 ohms in my headset isn't working. The Nexus 6 will recognize a volume down command from 390 ohms to 680 ohms, which explains why it WILL work with my headset and still work with the spec.
So then I started questioning why my headset would have 612 ohms anyway. From what I could find, 620 ohms is what Samsung and HTC have been using for a number of years and most Android-compatible headsets on the market have been sold to work with Samsung, not all android in general.
Personally, I think it would be best for customers if Google just made the official spec range work like the Nexus 6. It allows for both the current spec and the Samsung/HTC devices to work, which makes the Nexus phones more compatible with what customers already own. I hope the range can be expanded on the 6P with a software update. For my headset, I'm going to solder the correct resistors into it to make it work, but I know that's not a solution for most people.
matthewbudraitis said:
I did hear back from Google, but they just asked a few questions about which headset I have and if it happens with all apps.
In the meantime, I did a little more research.
I tested both the Nexus 6P and Nexus 6 with some resistors to see how they work in relation to the spec. The Nexus 6P will recognize a volume down command from 330 ohms to 560 ohms, which explains why the 612 ohms in my headset isn't working. The Nexus 6 will recognize a volume down command from 390 ohms to 680 ohms, which explains why it WILL work with my headset and still work with the spec.
So then I started questioning why my headset would have 612 ohms anyway. From what I could find, 620 ohms is what Samsung and HTC have been using for a number of years and most Android-compatible headsets on the market have been sold to work with Samsung, not all android in general.
Personally, I think it would be best for customers if Google just made the official spec range work like the Nexus 6. It allows for both the current spec and the Samsung/HTC devices to work, which makes the Nexus phones more compatible with what customers already own. I hope the range can be expanded on the 6P with a software update. For my headset, I'm going to solder the correct resistors into it to make it work, but I know that's not a solution for most people.
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I'm guessing this is 100% hardware driven and can't be changed in software. Which means we're stuck where we are at, aye?
Elnrik said:
I'm guessing this is 100% hardware driven and can't be changed in software. Which means we're stuck where we are at, aye?
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I can't say for sure, but based on the test circuit in the spec, I'm assuming they're using a known voltage and resistor value in the device in series with these remote resistors to make a voltage divider. As the headset button resistances decrease, it puts a lower voltage on the mic terminal which can be read by an analog to digital converter in the device. The voltage set points would then be done in software, possibly at a device driver level.
Assuming it works like I think, the set points could be adjusted.
Anyone having issues similar to the Piston 3's (volume down button not working), check out ElementX kernel. Flar2 has included a patch to fix this. Piston 2's still are not working, but it looks like this is fixable in software. Fingers crossed.
chowhoundb said:
Anyone having issues similar to the Piston 3's (volume down button not working), check out ElementX kernel. Flar2 has included a patch to fix this. Piston 2's still are not working, but it looks like this is fixable in software. Fingers crossed.
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I just found a partial fix for Piston 2 by trial & error, Remember all the buttons are still not functional yet, but atleast you can hear music using your headphones on Piston 2.
To make it work on your Nexus 6P, Press and hold any button on your headphones while plugging your headphones to your Nexus 6P. Again, none of the controls work but at least you can listen to music. Also, the inline mic does not work during calls
chichu_9 said:
I just found a partial fix for Piston 2 by trial & error, Remember all the buttons are still not functional yet, but atleast you can hear music using your headphones on Piston 2.
To make it work on your Nexus 6P, Press and hold any button on your headphones while plugging your headphones to your Nexus 6P. Again, none of the controls work but at least you can listen to music. Also, the inline mic does not work during calls
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The gentleman who figured out how to fix the piston 3's is currently looking into a solution for the 2's. The issue has also been passed onto google engineers to look into.
chichu_9 said:
I just found a partial fix for Piston 2 by trial & error, Remember all the buttons are still not functional yet, but atleast you can hear music using your headphones on Piston 2.
To make it work on your Nexus 6P, Press and hold any button on your headphones while plugging your headphones to your Nexus 6P. Again, none of the controls work but at least you can listen to music. Also, the inline mic does not work during calls
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Thanks!!!!! Great tip, I was worried about this, I can't believe I can't use my Pistons on my new Nexus 6P.
My two cents, you can plug in your headphones and then press any buton and they start to work, it is not necesary to press a button while you are connecting them.
I have a set of cheap in-ear earphones with a volume slider which works brilliantly. Is this problem affecting only a few 6P owners or is it applicable to button operated volume controls?
I realize you guys might not want to hear this, but my piston 2s have always worked perfect on my 6p. Controls and all, and they sound great with viper.
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bikeryder007 said:
I realize you guys might not want to hear this, but my piston 2s have always worked perfect on my 6p. Controls and all, and they sound great with viper.
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That is interesting. I thought this affected everyone. Just curious, do you know if yours are piston 2.0 or piston 2.1's. I have a white pair of 2.1's and a brown pair of 2.1's and both do not work.
UPDATE: nevermind, it looks like the 2.1's are the same as 2.0 with just a slightly longer cable, and different earpieces. They have the same internals so there shouldnt be a difference.
bikeryder007 said:
I realize you guys might not want to hear this, but my piston 2s have always worked perfect on my 6p. Controls and all, and they sound great with viper.
Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
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That's nice to know. I love how my Pistons sound. I cant believe that I am not able to use these puppies with my new phone. I am bummed.
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That's nice to know. I love how my Pistons sound. I cant believe that I am not able to use these puppies with my new phone. I am bummed.
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I just tested them again when I got home from work, and everything is working as it should. I just checked up and down volume and everything. I have the piston 2's with the white cord, silver buds etc... It is weird that so many others are having problems.
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Hey there!
I'm jumping off the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 ship, as it has suddenly died with all my data (thanks, samsung, for using slow and low quality
EMMC flash memory!)
just received my Mate 10 and the key issue (if i should dismiss weak vibro) is low headphone volume.
I have high-quality 35 ohm Denon headphones that deliver outstanding sound quality, and had no problems using them with samsung devices (Note 4, S3, tablets). I usually listened to the music on 60-70% volume and it was REALLY loud).
Now, with Mate 10, I had to max up the volume, but even at 100% it's not enough. Well, its sort of ok mostly, but not so enjoyable, and many tracks say "a bit more volume please".
Is there anything that can be done? I remember that custom kernels allow increasing volume, but that means rooting. Could anyone give an advice?
What is their sensitivity? If I use it with my Hifman HE400i the volume is also a bit low. They are 35ohm and have a sensitivity of 93dB. If they are really good headphones you wont be able to use them to their full potential plugged in to a phone anyways, so it will probably be better to pair them with an external DAC/amplifier. The usb-c port can output a bit of power, so you can probably use a decent usb DAC like the audioquest dragonfly for example. I use a hegel super DAC without any problems.
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What is their sensitivity? If I use it with my Hifman HE400i the volume is also a bit low. They are 35ohm and have a sensitivity of 93dB. If they are really good headphones you wont be able to use them to their full potential plugged in to a phone anyways, so it will probably be better to pair them with an external DAC/amplifier. The usb-c port can output a bit of power, so you can probably use a decent usb DAC like the audioquest dragonfly for example. I use a hegel super DAC without any problems.
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sensitivity 104dB/mW.
Well, the thing is that i used them with Note 4 and galaxy s3 (both are phones) with no problems - the sound was outstanding and volume very decent.
I did some more tests and found out that volume in videos that i see with VLC player is much higher (and more satisfactory). So the port is physically capable to deliver. Maybe should try a different media player?
You could try Foobar 2000. There is a setting called replay gain in the menu that will probably be able to boost the volume.