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Hey guys - does anyone know of any after-market battery covers for the HD that would be metal - specifically for the purpose of attaching to a magnet? I purchased one of those magnetic "cradle" kits that is basically just a big magnet you stick onto whereever, with a little metal slab that you stick onto the back of your phone. Then - you can just stick the phone up close to the magnet and it sticks - a perfect low-profile car cradle. The metal slab that sticks to the back of the phone is thin - it doesn't really stick out any further than the camera housing - but it still isn't as sleek as just the phone by itself. I thought a replacement battery cover that sticks to the magnet would be perfect. So... does anyone know of any? Or perhaps a vendor that could custom-machine one?
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Hey guys - does anyone know of any after-market battery covers for the HD that would be metal - specifically for the purpose of attaching to a magnet? I purchased one of those magnetic "cradle" kits that is basically just a big magnet you stick onto whereever, with a little metal slab that you stick onto the back of your phone. Then - you can just stick the phone up close to the magnet and it sticks - a perfect low-profile car cradle. The metal slab that sticks to the back of the phone is thin - it doesn't really stick out any further than the camera housing - but it still isn't as sleek as just the phone by itself. I thought a replacement battery cover that sticks to the magnet would be perfect. So... does anyone know of any? Or perhaps a vendor that could custom-machine one?
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I made my own magnetic car holder solution. Didn't cost much and can't imagine it work better than this...
I can't see what you've done there... It looks like some sort of metal on the battery itself, so that the regular cover works fine... What is that? How is it affixed?
Jouh has placed 2 razor blades on the battery.
Cool! I'm going to try that...
just don't take ur phone to the airport...... they might think ur going to use the razorblades for other non magnetic purposes.
Ohh! Good point! I would have completely forgotten about them and then been really screwed - I actually have to run my mobile through an X-ray every day at work... That could be an issue. Oh well - back to the drawing board...
just do the same with any thin metal i.e. sheet steel.
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just do the same with any thin metal i.e. sheet steel.
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I really wouldn't recommend directly attaching the phone to strong magnetic sources. It may impede the functionality, reduce or affect the battery operation, interfere with the many antennas in the phone, not to mention run the risk of corrupting memory sticks etc?
The phone itself isnt that heavy so probably wouldnt need a strong magnet, but you'd want to use something quite strong just to hold it in place. Imagine driving over a speed bump or pot hole which dislodges the phone and makes it go sliding across your dash board and out of an open window. (worst case scenario..)
If youre looking for a quick release holder I would recommend something that you clip the phone into like those hip holsters and then find one that has a socket connection to a window mount.
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I really wouldn't recommend directly attaching the phone to strong magnetic sources. It may impede the functionality, reduce or affect the battery operation, interfere with the many antennas in the phone, not to mention run the risk of corrupting memory sticks etc?
The phone itself isnt that heavy so probably wouldnt need a strong magnet, but you'd want to use something quite strong just to hold it in place. Imagine driving over a speed bump or pot hole which dislodges the phone and makes it go sliding across your dash board and out of an open window. (worst case scenario..)
If youre looking for a quick release holder I would recommend something that you clip the phone into like those hip holsters and then find one that has a socket connection to a window mount.
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I used the same razors and the same magnet (This one) with my SE P1i for 1½ year without any issues.
And the phone doesn't move 1 mm even driving over the biggest speed bump in Sweden.
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I really wouldn't recommend directly attaching the phone to strong magnetic sources. It may impede the functionality, reduce or affect the battery operation, interfere with the many antennas in the phone, not to mention run the risk of corrupting memory sticks etc?
The phone itself isnt that heavy so probably wouldnt need a strong magnet, but you'd want to use something quite strong just to hold it in place. Imagine driving over a speed bump or pot hole which dislodges the phone and makes it go sliding across your dash board and out of an open window. (worst case scenario..)
If youre looking for a quick release holder I would recommend something that you clip the phone into like those hip holsters and then find one that has a socket connection to a window mount.
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I honestly couldn't think of one thing that a magnet could have an effect on in the phone, certainly not the memory. The only type of memory that is affected by magnets are HDD (because the data on the disks is stored magnetically) and credit cards (once again, data stored magnetically). However, RAM/ROM is completely different and relies on gates and latches to store data, neither affected by magnet. Not to mention even if it did have an HDD (like old school mp3 players/iPod) it would take a strong magnet (mainly electromagnet) to corrupt the memory. Likewise, I can't foresee it having any affect on the battery or interfering with the antenas (unless you're using some super strong magnet....which you're likely not)
One of the only build quality problems i have with the Touch HD is that the battery cover creaks when pressed in certain spots.
To revive this topic, does anybody know of an actual aftermarket battery cover for this phone, preferably metal?
I searched google to find no results. It seems like it would be a good idea to make these
You can also shave the inside of the battery cover with a small sander. Than add ANY kind of magnet that will than fit inside the cover. The plastic cover is THICK so you can shave enough for some type of magnet.
I would also like a metal/rubber etc back cover. The quality of the orginal cover is driving me nuts..
Has anyone found this kinda aftermarket item?
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I would also like a metal/rubber etc back cover. The quality of the orginal cover is driving me nuts..
Has anyone found this kinda aftermarket item?
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Any news on that topic?
Bought this case from amazon recently and I just wanted to share that it's amazing.
I always hated a wallet AND phone in my pocket. I always combined them (phone into wallet, or credit cards in case for phone) and this is the perfect combination for me. Allows for a great protective case, while also carrying 4 cards and a few bills for when cash is needed.
I highly reccomend this case.
Only downside: magnet is a little weak. If i ever get ambitious enough I may go in and put in a stronger magnet to really make the latch 'CLICK'. It doesn't come undone on a regular basis, but I would prefer it to snap into place when it gets close.
Enjoy!
I'm interested, but how does it function as a phone/camera? It has cutouts in the back for phone and speaker, but I don't see how you could open the case and use it comfortably without folding the front cover over the back - which would muffle the speaker or block the camera. How do you handle that?
Generally I fold it, or use it like a book. Both work well, just depends on what exactly I am doing. I set it on a table like a book usually. Or fold it to make a phone call. I honestly haven't taken many pictures since the case, but it's really easy to hold like a book and isn't really an issue.
Folding the flap around the back doesn't actually muffle the speaker, there's a gap so the sound gets out. I actually find that the speaker is a little louder than before if I fold the flap over and point the end towards me as it makes the sound waves a bit more directional.
A few pictures would be helpful. Try to take some, with your phone in if possible. I'm intrigued, but the site you linked doesn't show what it looks like opned or in use.
Thanks in advance.
Took these with my camera. Not the best quality, but should show the important views.
Album here:
http://imgur.com/a/wdJh0
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Took these with my camera. Not the best quality, but should show the important views.
Album here:
http://imgur.com/a/wdJh0
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Thanks for answers and pics - based on the location of the card slots and the magnet(s), I'd be concerned about damaging any cards (unless it's shielded, which I don't see listed). But I'll keep an eye on it (when the dark brown is available again, it's out of stock ).
I thought cell phones were not good to place next to cards with magnet strips? Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Thanks for answers and pics - based on the location of the card slots and the magnet(s), I'd be concerned about damaging any cards (unless it's shielded, which I don't see listed). But I'll keep an eye on it (when the dark brown is available again, it's out of stock ).
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The magnet is pretty weak. I considered this as well, but I have been using the SD card and haven't had any issues. Only used it for a week, but no problems so far.
It was pretty cheap (>10$ i believe) so it's worth a check if it comes back in stock
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I thought cell phones were not good to place next to cards with magnet strips? Correct me if I'm wrong.
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This has been debated. Tested on Mythbusters and found that you needed an incredibly strong magnet to wipe the data off the creditcard strip.
I don't believe that your phone could produce strong enough magnetic fields that it'd wipe the data from a card, but it could be possible if something was going wrong.
I have stored my CC's in my phone (modified various cases) for >1 year and never had an issue. This is the first case that I have used designed for this, and keeps the cards further from the phone than my hacked together ones, so I am not too worried.
Cool case man, I have a case like that for my legacy zune, i got a golla pouch for under $2 on ebay. Loops on to my belt and has slots where you can put some cards and rear 2nd pouch for even usb drives or other gizmos. Stays slim too!
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So, as we all know the Omate TrueSmart is as waterproof as a leaky boat, or perhaps a sponge.
However, I don't think there are any other Horologists on the forum at the moment. ( wikipedia horologist http:// en.wikipedia.org /wiki/horologist ).
After looking at the "seals" on the case buttons, and the laughable o-ring that Umeox/Omate have chosen to use on the back, along with the piece of silicone flap that they are using to seal the SIM card... I have to say that expecting it to be water resistant to any degree is a bit laughable.
So, I have a solution, the same one used by Rolex, Omega, Breitling, Citizen, Seiko, etc.. etc...
* Liquid silicone sealant gel on the SIM card seal and flap.
* Replace the silicone o-rings for the watch back with a thin silicone gasket, with more sealant gel
* Retrofit and replace the button seals, or create black silicone button covers that better seal them
I'm going to have to look at the speaker port on the watchband. I don't know if there is a simple solution there to make it compliant for 1 meter depth without severely affecting the quality of the sound output from that port. A brief examination makes it seem that the port -might- be able to take IP67 conditions .. but without reinforcement, I doubt it could take the forces involved in a swim, waves, wakes, spas.
Still, I think I can put together a kit, and instructions that careful and diligent people could use to retrofit the TrueSmart to make it far more waterproof than the manufacturer does. The kit would cost between $15 and $25 US, mostly to cover the cost of making custom molds for the silicone gaskets. ( There is a local TechShop here in Austin, and I have a CNC mill to make the aluminum molds, and all the design experience and software I need. Even so, a small super-accurate mold is a couple hundred dollars worth of materials and work. )
If there is enough interest evidenced here on a poll, I'll make the kit.
Sincerely,
Martin Bogomolni
Maker, Horologist, Coder, and Machinist
Need to redesign the case so that the speaker is sealed as well.
I've read that the O-rings are different among different runs. If the shape of the part of the case they fit against is different as well, wouldn't that make this effort require potentially as many different molds as the number of firmwares Loki has been trying to contend with? Or is it just the ring that's been different?
The case design is different. There's at least two maybe three.
Then that means I'll need to make two or three variants of the kit. This will also require some externally-visible way to identify the differences between various batches of TrueSmart watches.
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The case design is different. There's at least two maybe three.
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I think, just an opinion, that if the gasket between the body and the back cover has holes for the screws to pass through it like on my Last of the Kickstarter Dev Eds, 1/8/1900, delivered first of the USA group in early Feb, then that gasket works if properly placed and screwed together. The housing on these is flat, without raised screw hole posts and no groove.
I think the main problem you are going to need to overcome is the buttons and the mic pinhole leaking.
The speaker, if it doesn't mind getting wet itself, provides no entry path into the body if the wire set going in has been properly sealed inside (white sealant on mine, I think). Water could destroy the speaker, OK maybe, but not the watch unless it can follow the speaker connections back up into the body. Where the band halves meet the body on both sides there is a hole through the body to let the cables through, sealed inside with some white stuff. Maybe sealed...
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The speaker is inside the case (under the square "bump" in the backplate) and uses nothing more than double sided tape. It is partly held into place by the plastic insert.
What is that open slot for then, in the band on the speaker side ?
Where the sound comes out ?
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Yep. (see attached image)
Yes I was also curious about how the waterproofness of the speaker and microphone port would be approached. But I'm definitely down for one of these.
For what it's worth, I've submerged (no more than 2ft) my NA 1gb/8gb OTS and used it in the shower after having opened the bottom. During the first week I was constantly checking inside the case for internal moisture and didn't see any. It's been a while, but I remember thinking the physical buttons looked like they would let water in if used while underwater, but that didn't seem to happen.
for giggles, my omate arrived with bad software, and only pulling the battery would fix it. I had first tried letting the battery die out but the vcom drivers didn't fully take until i pulled the battery, so the water seal warranty was moot from early on. I don't remember how long I waited, but I sent the following screen to cecilia and a few other mailboxes at omate for help with no response (surprise!) before pulling the battery and stepping through the restore guides.
Looking back, I can't even imagine how the bootloader got to be so trashed! Volume up and down you say?
I am in. Also shared on G+ and KS comments the poll, good luck!
Yep
I'm definitely in support of this. I created a kayaking app that is pretty useless with the watch the way it is... having this kit out there would be great.
Hi. I am a watchmaker (horlogist?) from Germany and its my daily job to make watches watertight.
I have access to professional measuring devices for checking the watches if they are sealed. It is testet via air pressure, no water. The watchcase deformation is measured by fine sensors and if it is deforming in the given parameters then the device says proof or leak. There are ranges from -0,8 Bar to +20 Bar.
Further tests to locate the leak are made with water tests.
I havent received my pre ordered true smart yet (but I own a simvalley AW-414.go). Before I would test the true smart I would like to know how much pressure it could take before the screen brakes.
After the long wait and seeing this IPx7 drama unfold, I decided to just flip my TrueSmart on delivery - and flog it on eBay/Amazon without ever opening the box. Depending on the delivery timeline and other factors (such as the impending release of the Polar V800 and Garmin fenix 2) I may reconsider that strategy if this "aftermarket waterproofing" plan gains momentum.
I checked the option to be willing to pay for professional install (having waited this long - and the fact that the V800 is another $100 more expensive than the TrueSmart) but I'm more than happy to do the install myself if the kit is solid. From what I gather in the initial post, it's going to be a far sight better than the factory seal. So, if I keep my TrueSmart I'd be in for either the home install or the pro install option.
FWIW - I could care less about using this phone in **** Tracy mode [trademark pending]. For my money, stuff a grommet in the ports and glue/seal them in place - my goal is to use the device for training.
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HThe watchcase deformation is measured by fine sensors and if it is deforming in the given parameters then the device says proof or leak. There are ranges from -0,8 Bar to +20 Bar.
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In a pressurized submersion test it will fill with water before anything else. The case was never tested beyond about 0.015 Bar and even then it wasn't tested properly (bare case, no buttons or straps and all the ports sealed in 15cm of water).
Them doing something as simple as not putting in the speaker right or the double sided tape not seal correctly on the speaker will negate any water resistance it may have had.
Had any luck looking into this?
I would definitely be interested in a kit to improve waterproofing...
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Me too ! I don't see a survey, maybe Tapatalk does not support surveys ?
I bought a NeverWet spray set from HomeDePot recently. They show how to treat an iPhone 5 by removing the back cover and spraying inside. I don't have an iPhone or I might try it. Wouldn't care...the stuff worked pretty good on my shoes though.
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In the meantime...
Hi horologists,
I was wondering: is there anything a layman could do in the meantime to, at least, improve the water sealing on the TrueSmart? I'm not interested in submerging it or taking a shower; I just don't want to be afraid that my watch will short if I get stuck in rain and put it in my pocket.
One of the things I obviously don't want to be doing is just smearing vaseline all over it as that'll ruin the silicone components, correct? I am currently purchasing silicone grease (dielectric so non-conductive) to improve the seals on the bottom and around the sim card case. What should I do about the buttons? Can I put more grease around their edges? Would vaseline be apprpriate there, since it's coming in contact with my skin and there seems to be no silicone gaskets? What's the best quick fix for buttons?
Sorry if these questions are stupid but... this is admittedly coming from a place of utter ignorance. : )
Take care and thanks very much.
I backed the Truesmart the day after it went live on Kickstarter and now after almost 3/4 of a year later I recieved the two devices i backed.
One was fine but the other had an assambly damage. The antenna cables for GPS and WIFI were broken.
To find the source of the connection problems I had to take of the back of the device and now I was told that I have voided the warranty because of that and will not get an exchange!
So I asked if I could buy the wrist band seperately as a spare part and was given a MAYBE in a few months when there is a service center near where I live.
I doubt that.
Repairing a broken micro coax cable is nearly impossible ( at least for me) so...
Now to my question:
Could anyone of you advise me where I could buy/get such a spare wrist band with the GPS and Wifi antenna inside?
Have already asked the seller of the Z8 device on aliexpress but he said thei are out of stock....
Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance
Holy crap that was most definitely broken at the factory.
posted using my towelrooted Galaxy S5.
Yikes.... not good. Do you have any more pictures of this zoomed out a little? It would be interesting to see how the cables fit into the strap. Are you able to slide them in and out of the strap? I wonder how far they go into the strap? I wonder what shape they are as well (straight? curved? coil?), and what's hidden in the strap (components or antenna plates?)... if it's a simple length of straight wire, and it likely could be, then it would theoretically be possible to yank out and replace with something else.
Also what were the GPS/wifi issues exactly? Were both completely dead or was it an intermittent connection? Did it work better off your wrist rather than on?
I reckon this information will be helpful to other users in case they are suspicious of problems in their own units. For instance, my wifi seems a bit weak and I need to be relatively close to the router for it to work reliably (within 25 feet, I'd say), but I'm not sure if that's because the antenna is pressed against my arm and it's wirelessly noisy around here (it is) or because there is a possible fault.
On mine the antenna leads were glued in after insertion through the case and I am pretty sure the connectors were added, crimped on the ends, after insertion too.
Would be hard to remove and replace without destroying the ends.
I've already swapped bands three times so far. The ends are crimped before attaching the bands then soft sealant is injected into the case holes.
I was contacted about parting out the immersion test unit and found out that it would not have worked properly even if it had survived. Just like the OP the leads were damaged.
They drilled big enough holes in the case to push through the antenna leads with the connectors already on them, then sealed the holes around the wires with that white too ?
OK. I was wrong. Sounds like it would be easier to refit a replacement band than I had imagined. If you could get the band halves...
it's easy
It is quiet easy to change the band. The big holes and the sealant injected there after assembly is also the main cause for water getting into the device.
So that's the thing I would love to get my hands on a wrist band to be able to use the truesmart as intended.
Right now it is just sitting around because the companion app on the ostore really sucks and I still don't get the use of a smartwatch as companion to a phone.
Maybe this changes when I get to use a device with Google wear on it.
This would be good for the truesmart as well but needs an upgrade to at least 4.4 I think.
Until then its waiting again for me and asking around for spare parts at resellers or find someone with a broken truesmart who wants to make at least some money.
I find this to be extraordinarily strange, but my Note 8 has become magnetic. Small metal objects to the back of it. My concern is dangerous. Can't afford another "Note-Gate" hazard.
Is anyone experiencing this or does anyone have any insight on this phenomena?
Video Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh0_a3nYANI
It is probably from using a magnet mount. The coils of the wireless charging is copper so it will be able to conduct things over time probably. Did not notice this until my brother mentioned that he can use a magnetic mount without a metal plate on his SG9+.
I don't use a magnet mount though. I can't think of any time I've placed it on a magnet. it's not impossible but I don't recall any such conditions. Thanks for your insights though. that's the best lead I have so far which makes sense
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It is probably from using a magnet mount. The coils of the wireless charging is copper so it will be able to conduct things over time probably. Did not notice this until my brother mentioned that he can use a magnetic mount without a metal plate on his SG9+.
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I don't use a magnet mount though. I can't think of any time I've placed it on a magnet. it's not impossible but I don't recall any such conditions. Thanks for your insights though. that's the best lead I have so far which makes sense
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Speakers, monitors, and many other household things have magnetic fields too... My automatic watches often get magnetized by them. If you have a cheap compass, put it next to a speaker and watch the needle move
The question then is: "Is it dangerous and will it cause my battery life to deplete faster?" Any thoughts on that?
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Speakers, monitors, and many other household things have magnetic fields too... My automatic watches often get magnetized by them. If you have a cheap compass, put it next to a speaker and watch the needle move
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The question then is: "Is it dangerous and will it cause my battery life to deplete faster?" Any thoughts on that?
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Hmm I wouldn't think so, but I can't say for sure. Phones do have a magnetic field to begin with, so I figure a little extra magnetism isn't too bad.
1. there is a magnet to hold your s pen
2. your speaker is magnetic
nothing special ^^
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1. there is a magnet to hold your s pen
2. your speaker is magnetic
nothing special ^^
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Think it is not normal... metallic pins sticks to your phone too?
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Think it is not normal... metallic pins sticks to your phone too?
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yeah
Nothing to worry about
I wonder if the wireless charging coils are causing the EMF.
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Just tried it and yes, mine is also magnetic. But I don't think it became magnetic, I think there is simply a magnetic spot there by design from begin on. It's not so near the s-pen, so I don't think it has anything to do with it. The Speaker is not very far away, so this could be it, but I'm not convinced.
The magnetic field is quite strong, I think too strong for such a small speaker, but maybe the magnet serves some other purpose? Idk, but very interesting.
Will look up some tear down videos, to figure this out.
EDIT: After looking at the tear down videos, it has to be the speaker.
I realized mine was magnetic too when it would stick to my magnetic car mount without having the special plate lol
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I find this to be extraordinarily strange, but my Note 8 has become magnetic. Small metal objects to the back of it. My concern is dangerous. Can't afford another "Note-Gate" hazard.
The little tiny mag field you notice, is so weak that is totally harmless, I see no reason to talk about a "note-gate" these type of rumors are what ultimately led to the recall of almost all note 7,
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inteltecra1700 said:
I find this to be extraordinarily strange, but my Note 8 has become magnetic. Small metal objects to the back of it. My concern is dangerous. Can't afford another "Note-Gate" hazard.
The little tiny mag field you notice, is so weak that is totally harmless, I see no reason to talk about a "note-gate" these type of rumors are what ultimately led to the recall of almost all note 7,
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Yeah, magnetic fields are not dangerous at all and this field is not there by accident but by design because of the speaker. The Note 7 is a different story though...
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There is a magnet behind the screen there. Its used for the smart cover. If you put a weak magnet over that spot it should put your phone to sleep. The cover has a corresponding magnet in that location.
Ignore this, I had a crappy connection, I thought that was the front of your phone. Got a clearer look at the video, pretty sure that's the speaker.
It held up on your magnetic plate? ...by the strength of the plate's magnet or the Note 8's magnetism? You know what, maybe I should go ahead and call them, just ask Sammy's tech team about the issue. I'm not absolutely convinced that the magnetism was fully intended by Samsung. I agree with you all that it may not be dangerous, but inquisition has value.
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I realized mine was magnetic too when it would stick to my magnetic car mount without having the special plate lol
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It held up on your magnetic plate? ...by the strength of the plate's magnet or the Note 8's magnetism? You know what, maybe I should go ahead and call them, just ask Sammy's tech team about the issue. I'm not absolutely convinced that the magnetism was fully intended by Samsung. I agree with you all that it may not be dangerous, but inquisition has value.
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It held up for a few seconds without the plate. Just the phone itself but then it slides off
It was a valid recall. We just wanna be sure about what's going on. The Note line is fantastic and is to be respected, but let the discussion happen so we can all know if all is well or not. It would be great to know that it's nothing. :good:
Edit: A friend of mine says he is almost positive that there is a magnet there for the S-pen
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inteltecra1700 said:
I find this to be extraordinarily strange, but my Note 8 has become magnetic. Small metal objects to the back of it. My concern is dangerous. Can't afford another "Note-Gate" hazard.
The little tiny mag field you notice, is so weak that is totally harmless, I see no reason to talk about a "note-gate" these type of rumors are what ultimately led to the recall of almost all note 7,
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The S-Pen utilses an electromagnetic grid to power it. That is probably what is causing this.
try to bake it, it will become not only magnetic, but also electric, with sparks, lol