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hey just seen this other petition for the one x and thought why cant we have one for the DX so there its done add your signatures and lets show HTC how much we want it, you never know until you ask and if they see enough asking then perhaps we shall see a better way to get S-OFF for our phones
There vere several initiatives like this to htc (not bound to any particular phone, but general, also google, you cant think youre first genius to have this idea), much stronger than what this could be if all people from DX part of XDA participated, still, few hundred people doesnt have voice strong enough to force htc to do this, s-on flag is their policy for years, they have no reason to change that, no matter how stupid YOU think it is (it may be unpleasant to hear, but I know 10 times more htc users who acctualy doesnt care and are kinda glad that there is another security layer, even if they dont know anything about it, if you dont wanna live in s-on world, before you bought this phone, you should ask first question when buying android device... "why not nexus?", if not nexus, live with what you have). Also your petition is VERY badly written, with many mistakes, even I cant take it seriously.
inb4: yey, lets sign another petition for like 10th time and then again curse htc for nonsenses and yell about our last phone by htc etc.
and yes, I mean it, and call me retard if you want, but you know I am right right now and you know this "petition" is waste of bandwidth
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There vere several initiatives like this to htc (not bound to any particular phone, but general, also google, you cant think youre first genius to have this idea), much stronger than what this could be if all people from DX part of XDA participated, still, few hundred people doesnt have voice strong enough to force htc to do this, s-on flag is their policy for years, they have no reason to change that, no matter how stupid YOU think it is (it may be unpleasant to hear, but I know 10 times more htc users who acctualy doesnt care and are kinda glad that there is another security layer, even if they dont know anything about it, if you dont wanna live in s-on world, before you bought this phone, you should ask first question when buying android device... "why not nexus?", if not nexus, live with what you have). Also your petition is VERY badly written, with many mistakes, even I cant take it seriously.
inb4: yey, lets sign another petition for like 10th time and then again curse htc for nonsenses and yell about our last phone by htc etc.
and yes, I mean it, and call me retard if you want, but you know I am right right now and you know this "petition" is waste of bandwidth
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Just that.HTC will never allow that because that enables us to change cid, and sim unlock easily.
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mindlesSheep said:
There vere several initiatives like this to htc (not bound to any particular phone, but general, also google, you cant think youre first genius to have this idea), much stronger than what this could be if all people from DX part of XDA participated, still, few hundred people doesnt have voice strong enough to force htc to do this, s-on flag is their policy for years, they have no reason to change that, no matter how stupid YOU think it is (it may be unpleasant to hear, but I know 10 times more htc users who acctualy doesnt care and are kinda glad that there is another security layer, even if they dont know anything about it, if you dont wanna live in s-on world, before you bought this phone, you should ask first question when buying android device... "why not nexus?", if not nexus, live with what you have). Also your petition is VERY badly written, with many mistakes, even I cant take it seriously.
inb4: yey, lets sign another petition for like 10th time and then again curse htc for nonsenses and yell about our last phone by htc etc.
and yes, I mean it, and call me retard if you want, but you know I am right right now and you know this "petition" is waste of bandwidth
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so just because you think htc wont allow us to s-off you think we shouldnt try ?? that kind of lazy attitude is why we wont get it anytime soon so what if others have tried and not succeeded, if you dont try, dont ask you'll never get nothing so how about instead of bringing negativity into how about you put some positive for a change ?? or is that too much to ask, also why does it matter how it is worded as long as the message gets across ? and also you say why not nexus well I say why not this htc desire x ? its a alright phone just needs s-off and we will get more interest in it, when the android manual releases a bug free version of paranoid android hopefully well will get more devs to make this phone more customizable and give us a larger selection of roms
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so just because you think htc wont allow us to s-off you think we shouldnt try ?? that kind of lazy attitude is why we wont get it anytime soon so what if others have tried and not succeeded, if you dont try, dont ask you'll never get nothing so how about instead of bringing negativity into how about you put some positive for a change ?? or is that too much to ask, also why does it matter how it is worded as long as the message gets across ? and also you say why not nexus well I say why not this htc desire x ? its a alright phone just needs s-off and we will get more interest in it, when the android manual releases a bug free version of paranoid android hopefully well will get more devs to make this phone more customizable and give us a larger selection of roms
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i couldnt agree more with you my friend ))
dont worry i am sure that one day we will have s-off...also there are people who are deving for this phone...and tried a lot of ways to s-off this phone and supercid !! but its a little bit risky modifying files so as to supercid and s-off...
and now cm9 - cm10 are on development...we almost have a working PA rom and a cm9
having a wifi and bluetooth broken its fixable so we support these people and we make our phone something special
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so just because you think htc wont allow us to s-off you think we shouldnt try ?? that kind of lazy attitude is why we wont get it anytime soon so what if others have tried and not succeeded, if you dont try, dont ask you'll never get nothing so how about instead of bringing negativity into how about you put some positive for a change ?? or is that too much to ask, also why does it matter how it is worded as long as the message gets across ? and also you say why not nexus well I say why not this htc desire x ? its a alright phone just needs s-off and we will get more interest in it, when the android manual releases a bug free version of paranoid android hopefully well will get more devs to make this phone more customizable and give us a larger selection of roms
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have you even bothered reading what I wrote? Ok, ill tell you one specific reason, why we wont be gettin s-off officialy never ever despite how much would you want. Its called supercid, it completely breaks operator phone selling strategies (and furthermore, it was acknowledged by US court of law as illegal), and it acctualy makes sense, why you want to flame me for blahblah instead of just plain thinking? Unless you became bigger source of stable income to HTC than AT&T, Tellus, TMO and any other operator who is branding their phones worldwide, you cant make demands like this. So if I count right, it would be never.
edit: well branding... I meant blocking their phones so they can be used in only one specific network, point is same, ETA for official s-off is same too.
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have you even bothered reading what I wrote? Ok, ill tell you one specific reason, why we wont be gettin s-off officialy never ever despite how much would you want. Its called supercid, it completely breaks operator phone selling strategies (and furthermore, it was acknowledged by US court of law as illegal), and it acctualy makes sense, why you want to flame me for blahblah instead of just plain thinking? Unless you became bigger source of stable income to HTC than AT&T, Tellus, TMO and any other operator who is branding their phones worldwide, you cant make demands like this. So if I count right, it would be never.
edit: well branding... I meant blocking their phones so they can be used in only one specific network, point is same, ETA for official s-off is same too.
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I said just that, but this guy doesn't listen...
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@azraelcelt
Do you even read what people are posting? Wy wold HTC cut siting branch by leting us s-off our devices? The majority of company's sales goes throug operators worldwide. Can you get the point? They will never let us s-off easy.
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@azraelcelt
Do you even read what people are posting? Wy wold HTC cut siting branch by leting us s-off our devices? The majority of company's sales goes throug operators worldwide. Can you get the point? They will never let us s-off easy.
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well that probably depends on whether or not they think its worthwhile after all the supported devices on the htcdev website are to unlock the bootloader yes but it seems they are to S-OFF aswell so if they give us S-OFF for a couple of phones why not ours ?
@azraelcelt
I think the petition should be modified to state that we would like the boot-loader unlock mechanism to be modified for legacy devices(One X, One V and Desire X, etc) such that the kernel and recovery partitions have the security lifted off and allow for the kernel and recovery images to be flashed via recovery mode as built by an AOSP tool-chain.
this is already implemented for HTC ONE and does not entitle the need for supercid(which i feel is wholly unnecessary)also this removes as they stated the security from the kernel and recovery partition so that we may flash a recovery r kernel via a flash able zip thus allowing an easy custom ROM experience yet not unlocking any other security flags that are not needed.
Regards,
Dark Passenger.
Lets get superCID first? A guy from one sv told me that he will s-off our phone once we get superCId
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@azraelcelt
I think the petition should be modified to state that we would like the boot-loader unlock mechanism to be modified for legacy devices(One X, One V and Desire X, etc) such that the kernel and recovery partitions have the security lifted off and allow for the kernel and recovery images to be flashed via recovery mode as built by an AOSP tool-chain.
this is already implemented for HTC ONE and does not entitle the need for supercid(which i feel is wholly unnecessary)also this removes as they stated the security from the kernel and recovery partition so that we may flash a recovery r kernel via a flash able zip thus allowing an easy custom ROM experience yet not unlocking any other security flags that are not needed.
Regards,
Dark Passenger.
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lol yea that makes alot of sence but some want supercid for ruus maybe and you should make the petition as you seem to explain it a hell of a lot better than I can
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lol yea that makes alot of sence but some want supercid for ruus maybe and you should make the petition as you seem to explain it a hell of a lot better than I can
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I no longer am with this device am switching soon.
Edit : and I gave you the substance you just gotta word it right.
also supercid wont happen through official channels( or be legal) its gotta be a dev/member from one of the forums.
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I no longer am with this device am switching soon.
Edit : and I gave you the substance you just gotta word it right.
also supercid wont happen through official channels( or be legal) its gotta be a dev/member from one of the forums.
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I thought you were going to make desire x a great phone by bringing in good stuff. Why giving up so soon ?
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neXus PRIME said:
I thought you were going to make desire x a great phone by bringing in good stuff. Why giving up so soon ?
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Lol I think that's something Atis might succeed in far before I do.
Also I got a better phone! !!
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Lol I think that's something Atis might succeed in far before I do.
Also I got a better phone! !!
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lol lucky bugger im hoping to upgrade sooner or later not gonna have this phone longer than a year not enough modding options just didnt have a extra 50$ for a s3mini
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azraelcelt said:
lol lucky bugger im hoping to upgrade sooner or later not gonna have this phone longer than a year not enough modding options just didnt have a extra 50$ for a s3mini
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lol man s3 mini is actually more difficult to modify due to proprietary St sources(so I was told).
PS Nexus 4 is looking good
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Based on what's happening with the other "new" HTC phones, it's looking more and more like there will not be a way to do a perm root (S=Off) on the EVO 3D, unless by way of the XTC Clip.
So if there's no perm root on any of the other new HTC phones by the time the EVO 3D is release, will you still purchase it? If so, do you not care about root or do you just feel it will eventually happen?
Me... as much as I hate the way Samsung has treated it's customers with the after sales support, I'm starting to seriously consider the SGS II. 3D isn't important to me, but having the support of developers are.
I think it will happen eventually. I can always sell it if it doesn't happen.
I feel it will happen. Even if they never figure a way to unlock the bootloader I'm positive that they will at least get root access and as long as I get my free wireless tethering to work ill be good. Don't get me wrong I'd be dissapointed if they were never be able to crack it, i'll be good with just root.
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I feel it will happen. Even if they never figure a way to unlock the bootloader I'm positive that they will at least get root access and as long as I get my free wireless tethering to work ill be good. Don't get me wrong I'd be dissapointed if they were never be able to crack it, i'll be good with just root.
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I agree. They will figure out a way.
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I agree. They will figure out a way.
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this is the problem with the miracles of developers, they instill so much confidence in us that we think they can do anything. True, where there's a will, there's a way, but an encrypted bootloader is pretty hard to get past, they never did it on any of the Motorola phones, and if the Evo 3D has one, I don't see it being cracked anytime soon. Sure, they were able to hack a lot of older phones, but they were just locked bootloaders, not encrypted.
Personally, I'm getting kind of sick of running custom ROMs now, simply because I now have 2 jobs and don't have the time to configure my phone to my liking every time I flash something different. Though I'd still be pissed with the encrypted bootloader, the option to run a custom rom should still be available if needed
But, with Samsung phones, they are using that horrible filesystem. I mean wow, on the Galaxy S 4G, there is STILL not a Clockworkmod Recovery, which means STILL no ROM's because of the file system issues.
Honestly, if the EVO 3D can't be rooted, and the Galaxy S2 has another bunk filesystem which really can't be modded, I will not be purchasing either.
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But, with Samsung phones, they are using that horrible filesystem. I mean wow, on the Galaxy S 4G, there is STILL not a Clockworkmod Recovery, which means STILL no ROM's because of the file system issues.
Honestly, if the EVO 3D can't be rooted, and the Galaxy S2 has another bunk filesystem which really can't be modded, I will not be purchasing either.
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I'm rooted on an Epic 4G...which uses RFS.
There is no point of even talking about it because it will come how all previous HTC phones have come to sprint. Locked and rooted before its released. These BS scare tactics are more than laughable.
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Samzebian said:
this is the problem with the miracles of developers, they instill so much confidence in us that we think they can do anything. True, where there's a will, there's a way, but an encrypted bootloader is pretty hard to get past, they never did it on any of the Motorola phones, and if the Evo 3D has one, I don't see it being cracked anytime soon. Sure, they were able to hack a lot of older phones, but they were just locked bootloaders, not encrypted.
Personally, I'm getting kind of sick of running custom ROMs now, simply because I now have 2 jobs and don't have the time to configure my phone to my liking every time I flash something different. Though I'd still be pissed with the encrypted bootloader, the option to run a custom rom should still be available if needed
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HTC Sensation, 3D will have bootloader sign, motorola bootloader sign and encrypted is two different things.
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HTC Sensation, 3D will have bootloader sign, motorola bootloader sign and encrypted is two different things.
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That's true, but so far, it seems HTC's new way of signing or whatever they did hasn't been or can't be broken yet with what info is out there. How long has the Incredible S been out now... since late Feb? Still no one has been able to get a software S=off, to give it a permanent root. This has me worried.
As much as I hate Samsung, I think I might need to get the SGS II because I don't want to get a phone that can't get perm root.
Ill get it. If it can't be fully rooted I will reevaluate and decide whether it not to sell it. Sense 3
0 with those specs and partial root may suffice.
Tapa tapa tapa
The phones we have been discussing all have one thing in common, Verizon. I don't think Sprint will force HTC to do this and I doubt HTC is really wanting to lock the devs out.
Yea I will get it regardless. My primary reason for rooting my hero was better performance and softest. But when I buy Sprint''s next flag ship phone, it won't get out dated as fast.
From my Gingerbread Hero.
Tuffgong4 said:
The phones we have been discussing all have one thing in common, Verizon. I don't think Sprint will force HTC to do this and I doubt HTC is really wanting to lock the devs out.
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Can someone put this quote on repeat?
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No way. I'll keep the OG evo til a GSII shows up on sprint if we cant get full root. At least samsung never locks their stuff up.
Root, or die!
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The phones we have been discussing all have one thing in common, Verizon. I don't think Sprint will force HTC to do this and I doubt HTC is really wanting to lock the devs out.
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Maybe in the US, but it's happened in Europe too. Plus, I read somewhere that Verizon never asked HTC to lock down the bootloader.
I really think it's HTC's doing and I have a feeling it has something to do with that CPO, Kouji Kodera, they picked up from Sony Ericsson.
http://wmpoweruser.com/scary-htc-poaches-sony-ericsson-executives-to-streamline-product-development/
He's probably the guy who got SE to lock down their phones and now is doing it with HTC. Now that SE doesn't have him, they're starting to go the other direction.
Im definitely getting one. The geniuses on xda will figure it out.
EOD is evotastic!
crabjoe said:
Maybe in the US, but it's happened in Europe too. Plus, I read somewhere that Verizon never asked HTC to lock down the bootloader.
I really think it's HTC's doing and I have a feeling it has something to do with that CPO, Kouji Kodera, they picked up from Sony Ericsson.
http://wmpoweruser.com/scary-htc-poaches-sony-ericsson-executives-to-streamline-product-development/
He's probably the guy who got SE to lock down their phones and now is doing it with HTC. Now that SE doesn't have him, they're starting to go the other direction.
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This makes a lot of sense. But I really hope you are wrong. For HTC to turn on it's current user base, many of which are involved in android dev, modding, etc at some level. And go in SE's direction would be enough for me to turn my back on HTC all together.
To my way of thinking, Android devices should not only be an open source OS, but should also provide an open development platform. Locking us out of devices that we pay good money for, and until now would have had a reasonable expectation to be able to do what we want with is just wrong.
i can live without root i think for this phone. The new sense on top of 2.3 is so smooth. I think it will happen though.
MarkGbe said:
i can live without root i think for this phone. The new sense on top of 2.3 is so smooth. I think it will happen though.
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I can live without root... But I really think my enjoyment of the phone would be drastically lower. A few of my every day apps require root permissions, my wifi teathering requires it...
Don't get me wrong, On hardware specs and stock software alone I am excited. But at the same time I have a big problem supporting a company that would slap us in the face like we are Motorola customers.
I guess we'll have to wait and see. But I am not going to jump on it right at the initial release date like I did with my current Evo.
Htc has made numerous statements that it will review the bootloader policy but as mentioned in many text we all know that just spin, I say we boycott HTC and dont buy on launch day unless the lock is down
Dear sir, I see this is your first post and I welcome you to the site, but how many of these threads do we really need?
Unfortunately, even if this entire website were to buy a EVO 3D, it would not even make a dent in the amount of profits they will get on launch. Everyone wants a 3D phone, most people don't know about rooting phones.
im not new to the site been around for 6 years under three names i keep forgetting my old passwords and i dont have access to the old email on file but my post is for boycotting upon release date not just making a statement but rather not purchasing until a fix is present
HTC doesn't really give a flying **** about our *****ing. If all of us who were previously considering the Evo 3d don't buy it, HTC wouldn't care. We are the minority, the mainstream people who don't know what root means will continue to buy It regardless.
From my Gingerbread Hero.
Htc better care, who do you think makes all of the apps that are the reason why ios and android are what they are today? If they're not smart enough to care today then they'll start caring a few months from now when all of the 3D apps are designed for the optimus and the E3D is irrelevant.
Theyre already one of the last out the gate with dual cores
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Nsandhu23 said:
HTC doesn't really give a flying **** about our *****ing. If all of us who were previously considering the Evo 3d don't buy it, HTC wouldn't care. We are the minority, the mainstream people who don't know what root means will continue to buy It regardless.
From my Gingerbread Hero.
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That is correct. But who do the majority come to when deciding which phone to buy? The geeks. Imagine if engadget, phonedog, cnet, etc... were to give the EVO 3D bad reviews? Can you imagine what the comments will say in those articles? Even if we can't make a direct impact with our own sales, we influence the minds of many of those people that are not as tech savvy as us. My whole family has HTC phones cause of me. That will soon change. I am sure we can have a very powerful impact.
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im not new to the site been around for 6 years under three names i keep forgetting my old passwords and i dont have access to the old email on file but my post is for boycotting upon release date not just making a statement but rather not purchasing until a fix is present
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Still could have fit in with the other threads. Just saying - not trying to be a jerk or anything.
Honestly it's tough to follow so many threads and the numbers keep growing. Somebody should just merge them lol.
WeatherTech said:
Still could have fit in with the other threads. Just saying - not trying to be a jerk or anything.
Honestly it's tough to follow so many threads and the numbers keep growing. Somebody should just merge them lol.
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This. +1 (10 char)
I for one have a job with PHONE SALES, and i am sure i am not the only one. What we think will influence the customer greatly.
Broded said:
Unfortunately, even if this entire website were to buy a EVO 3D, it would not even make a dent in the amount of profits they will get on launch. Everyone wants a 3D phone, most people don't know about rooting phones.
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Not true. We are the enthusiasts who shape consumer sentiment. This news has made it to all sorts of popular blogs recently. Even a friend of mine who rarely reads tech blogs stumbled across the news. My fiancee won't even think of buying it anymore obviously because I won't -- and I'll recommend other phones to her, my friends, and my family.
That's already ~10 devices for one pointless random person -- me. I know the effect isn't as dramatic for some others, but what we show off, what we brag about, what we get excited for and lust over... is highly contagious. The legendary HD2 didn't merely sell because of its "awesome features." It's still moderately (shockingly) popular today among enthusiasts and is happily sold and traded online -- because of the community.
Even if it's just a placebo effect for the masses (who won't ever know what "flashing" could possibly mean), placebo effect and public sentiment is one of the biggest influences the advertizing world has ever known.
Now the clincher -- many people besides the forum-goers here look to HTC as an alternative to Apple out of principle (or bad experience). They need just ask one enthusiast or read one of the many popular tech sites now posting this news to know that they shouldn't buy the device. How? They'll just read that it's "locked, unopened, encrypted, spurned by uber-geeks" just as the Apple product was.
Don't underestimate our power. Use it. Such social gathering and protest won revolts in random middle eastern countries. It even won a partial concession from Motorola and its formerly horrific bootloader policy. It's powerful, and it works. Vote now (link in sig, takes seconds) and/or contact HTC. Better yet, have your friends do the same. Welcome to Web 2.0 power, people.
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This. +1 (10 char)
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Actually, with the amount of discussion on the bootloader it might even make sense to have another subforum for it! Lots of useful content but it's all split between threads.
we need time to assess
Just tweeted this - not really any different than the others but still
@HTC - Say no to locked bootloaders and say yes to open development. #EVO3D - #Sprint - #youlockwewalk
Let's also get Sprint's attention! I just posted a thread on there. Respond or start your own. The more attention the better. I am sure Sprint is in on this also.
http://community.sprint.com/baw/comm...ew=discussions
I disagree with you completely. The N64 emulator and the 3D capability of the EVO 3d alone would attract so many people, its like a phone and a 3DS. We are a minority, we may be able to convince other people to not buy it, but a 3D phone is attractive to the masses sort of like an iPhone is.
it is still a damn good phone with gingerbread and sense 3.0, people wouldn't give a damn about locked bootloader, ask 10 of my friends and they probably wont know what the hell a locked bootloader is. Even if it is a locked bootloader there is always a way around.
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it is still a damn good phone with gingerbread and sense 3.0, people wouldn't give a damn about locked bootloader, ask 10 of my friends and they probably wont know what the hell a locked bootloader is. Even if it is a locked bootloader there is always a way around.
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wrong, you should really take a proactive approach to this and tell your friends about the locked boot loader. Second, yes there is a way around LOCKED BOOTLOADERS, but not an encrypted hboot, recovery AND kernel. With those being encrypted, we are essentially screwed.
Sent from the last free HTC Smartphone: HTC EVO. CM7. We are legion.
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wrong, you should really take a proactive approach to this and tell your friends about the locked boot loader. Second, yes there is a way around LOCKED BOOTLOADERS, but not an encrypted hboot, recovery AND kernel. With those being encrypted, we are essentially screwed.
Sent from the last free HTC Smartphone: HTC EVO. CM7. We are legion.
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Lol i say on htcs sites and email that i will not be gettin the evo 3d bc of this to try and change there mind . But really who thinks its gonna help ? Sprint and other carriers have a roll in this to they dont want you to be able to get hot spot free anymore,
Im gonna get thr evo 3d for the phone itself
No matter if they change it or not , the evo 3d is the bEst phone coming out soon its htc , htc has the best build quality other then apple and i hate apple
But you people or can say ur gettin samsung or lg can go ahead i will wait 6 months for a full root with a leaked eng bootloader half root wont hurt untill then . What will hurt is u people going to samsung or lg and couple months down the road ur phone falls apart i would rather a great phone then a phone with a unlocked bootloader
We will get full root, some how, some way. If htc does it the way that sony is (they unlock, flag as voided), I'm sure we will find a way to use that and unlock that biotch.
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Some of you know me. Most of you don't. I don't know what weight, if any, what I have to say will carry.
Nonetheless, I do hope you read this and can appreciate my point of view.
Some background.. My first Android phone was the heroc, and since I bought it eons after initial release, it was already rooted and several alternative ROMs were available, including a still maturing CM 6.x. My second Android phone was the Evo 4G, again bought some time after its release, and root and CM were already available and improving day by day. In both cases, we had phones with relatively easy to defeat bootloader protection.
HTC learned from this. They knew that a system as vulnerable as that was a fairly easy target for those that wanted to do harm. Their engineering choices for the next series of devices was pretty much set in stone: They had to protect their phones from exploitation. Hence we see the shift to eMMC and other technologies to do just that.
How did the masses respond? Well, they didn't give a crap. It was just a miniscule subset of buyers of the new Evo 3D that started *****ing and whining because they couldn't easily bypass their enhanced protection.
After a rather ugly spat of "unlock or we walk" campaigning on their Facebook wall, they promised to unlock the bootloader. A promise I am confident they will keep, if on their terms.
So that we don't lose perspective here, understand that this was a response to a VERY SMALL (albeit vocal) fraction of people that have already purchased or will eventually purchase the phone.
To rephrase: The vast majority of people that buy this phone will never even consider running anything besides what HTC officially releases as an OTA update. It won't even occur to them to do otherwise.
The current stock ROM is not perfect by any means. But then again, when has it ever been that an initial release has been perfect?
Over the course of the next few months, HTC will hopefully work out the majority of the issues (and I am confident that they will, at least from the perspective of the regular user) and, quite frankly, that SHOULD be their focus.
Cue the whining facebook posters, threatening to return their device if HTC does not make unlocking the bootloader their top priority. Hate to break it to you, but they won't, and shouldn't, do that.
You know what? I really hope you return your phones if you don't get what you want. I hope you pout and stomp your feet in the process and bahave like some self-entitled jackass as well. This isn't just about you. It's about the entire customer base, and most of them just hope you will shut the **** up. To be honest, I am one of them.
When HTC does the smart thing, and unlocks the bootloader when they are as certain as they can be that doing so won't endanger the folks that won't take advantage of it in the first place, I'll get my AOSP, and my overclocked CPU, and my tasker and my titanium backup and all the other cool things that come with a rooted phone. And I will get them when having them doesn't put everyone else at risk.
They have a lot of bugs to fix. Some of them are quite annoying. Some of them (re: temproot) are flat out dangerous.
As much as I love and support the people putting countless hours into the root process (and I am actually wondering who gets there first, HTC or the devs) given what I have seen in the dev threads, I am leaning more and more towards waiting to see what HTC comes up with, then proceeding from there. They might not admit it, but I bet the devs are secretly doing the same.
Chill out, good things are coming
I heavily disagree.
I think the mass amount of emails sent to HTC regarding the bootloaders got through to HTC. No one wants to spend endless days responding to the same question over and over so they gave us an ETA (since that's exactly what a majority if their emails consisted of, an ETA request.) This, to me, shows that HTC noticed our presence and also showed how large our comminuty really is. Dissatisfied customers = money lost.
Holy Wall of text not bothering to read that mess... But +1. To whatever point your trying to make
3D > iClone
Wait, temproot is dangerous? how?
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Jeremiah239 said:
Wait, temproot is dangerous? how?
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It's not. Everything is back to stock upon a reboot.
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It's not. Everything is back to stock upon a reboot.
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OK good I thought I was loosing it lol.
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I think its more so they listened because we're the kind of people who really push their phones around to other people. They constantly ask us what phones are good and such. We may be a minority but we sure do influence the other half of the consumers who don't care.
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I heavily disagree.
I think the mass amount of emails sent to HTC regarding the bootloaders got through to HTC. No one wants to spend endless days responding to the same question over and over so they gave us an ETA (since that's exactly what a majority if their emails consisted of, an ETA request.) This, to me, shows that HTC noticed our presence and also showed how large our comminuty really is. Dissatisfied customers = money lost.
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We made our point, they agreed to unlock. Do you really think continuing to harrass them is going to get it done faster?
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When HTC does the smart thing, and unlocks the bootloader when they are as certain as they can be that doing so won't endanger the folks that won't take advantage of it in the first place, I'll get my AOSP, and my overclocked CPU, and my tasker and my titanium backup and all the other cool things that come with a rooted phone. And I will get them when having them doesn't put everyone else at risk.
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I'm not disagreeing with you or mean this in a condescending way, I'm just wondering because I'm curious. How would this put people at risk/danger?
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We made our point, they agreed to unlock. Do you really think continuing to harrass them is going to get it done faster?
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My statement stands prior to the minorities bombarding their walls now. They've responded and have given an ETA. Anyone that wants to try to push them into releasing quicker, they should just understand it's the best option for now until Sprint releases the SGSII (which probably wont even be until next year.) So just stick with it and hang in there.
I will say I'd prefer it sooner but I think their ETA was made to be the latest date they could prolong the issue.
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Wait, temproot is dangerous? how?
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As we use it its not. That it can be done means there is an exploit that might be used for more nefarious purposes. Read the posts on it, they have reported it to HTC as such.
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I heavily disagree.
I think the mass amount of emails sent to HTC regarding the bootloaders got through to HTC. No one wants to spend endless days responding to the same question over and over so they gave us an ETA (since that's exactly what a majority if their emails consisted of, an ETA request.) This, to me, shows that HTC noticed our presence and also showed how large our comminuty really is. Dissatisfied customers = money lost.
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you also completely missed the point.
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It's not. Everything is back to stock upon a reboot.
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The nature of the exploit is indeed dangerous, and exploitable - hence having it in the first place.
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The nature of the exploit is indeed dangerous, and exploitable - hence having it in the first place.
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Yes, the exploit can be malicious in the wrong hands, but you stated temproot in the OP, which was misleading. I've read your OP and I've commented on it. I just want to ask, if we make up such a minority of unhappy buyers, then why do they find the need to put s-off in the first place?
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I'm not disagreeing with you or mean this in a condescending way, I'm just wondering because I'm curious. How would this put people at risk/danger?
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the exploit that gives us temp root is dangerous enough that those that discovered it have reported it to HTC.
Ranger093 said:
I think its more so they listened because we're the kind of people who really push their phones around to other people. They constantly ask us what phones are good and such. We may be a minority but we sure do influence the other half of the consumers who don't care.
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Not really, but if it makes you feel better to think otherwise, who am I to shatter that belief.
I agree With the Op
Don't get me wrong I haven't run a stock phones for a while... Windows mobile now android
But, I agree. Things always get done, it was going to get unlocked and indoor think some people got a little out of hand with the crying
Anyways, I'll wait till we get s-off to start my fun.. In the mean time I have other things to have fun with
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Yes, the exploit can be malicious in the wrong hands, but you stated temproot in the OP, which was misleading. I've read your OP and I've commented on it. I just want to ask, if we make up such a minority of unhappy buyers, then why do they find the need to put s-off in the first place?
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Its not misleading. the exploit is dangerous and will likely be fixed soon.
You assume they are giving us S-Off, which in the vernacular of what the 3vo is just doesnt make sense anyway. This isnt as simple as that.
They are probably going to make it so we can write to /system. I do not envision a scenario where we get the equivalent of S-Off, but I also dont see where they have to. this isnt the 4g.
Mayonesa said:
I agree With the Op
Don't get me wrong I haven't run a stock phones for a while... Windows mobile now android
But, I agree. Things always get done, it was going to get unlocked and indoor think some people got a little out of hand with the crying
Anyways, I'll wait till we get s-off to start my fun.. In the mean time I have other things to have fun with
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Its not that I think they wont get it done, but hammering them about it is getting old. I think they got our message long ago. Its going to happen. I dont see how hammering them relentlessly will get it done any faster.
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Some of you know me. Most of you don't. I don't know what weight, if any, what I have to say will carry.
<lots of useless nonsense/>
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Just saw this update across Facebook from HTC:
Thanks so much for providing feedback, we hear your concerns. Your satisfaction is a top priority for us and we're working hard to ensure you have great experiences with our phones. We're reviewing the issue and our policy around bootloaders and will provide more information soon. Thank you for your interest, support and willingness to share your feedback.
**UPDATE**
We’ve listened. Check out the statement from our CEO, Peter Chou on HTC bootloaders. Click the link for more info. http://on.fb.me/iZXgkR
**UPDATE 7/10**
We wanted to provide an update on HTC’s progress with bringing bootloader unlocking to our newest phones. We know how excited some of you are for this capability, and we’ve put significant resources behind making this change as soon as possible. While we wish we could flip a simple switch and unlock all bootloaders across our device portfolio, this is actually a complex challenge that requires a new software build and extensive testing to deliver the best possible customer experience.
We’re thrilled to announce today that software updates to support bootloader unlocking will begin rolling out in August for the global HTC Sensation, followed by the HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile USA and the HTC EVO 3D on Sprint. We’re in the testing phase for the unlocking capability now, and we expect it to be fully operational by early September for devices that have received the software updates. We'll continue rolling out the unlocking capability over time to other devices as part of maintenance releases and new shipments.
HTC continues its commitment to unlocking bootloaders and supporting the developer community. Because of the importance of this community to us, please expect an update on this about every few weeks as we make progress toward launch. Thank you for your patience and continued support!
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So I think basically that means they ARE making it a top priority, and it makes your rant irrelevant.
Thought I would create a simple poll. Let the people voice their thoughts!!
The question's simple:"Would you buy another HTC phone if it was impossible to turn S-Off?"
Yes or No.After voting, please post in the thread explaining your choice.
If I reach 500 votes, I will personally spam every public avenue HTC has with a direct link to this thread so they can see the impact their choice to lock down their most recent devices has made.
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EDIT:: My answer is no. If it was impossible to turn the Security flag OFF then I would never purchase another HTC phone again. I am a firm believer that since it is MY property that I should be able to do with it whatever I want, when I want, how I want.. Without ANYONE telling me that I can't. PERIOD. If HTC want's to play these games and tell me what I can and can't do with my property then I will never purchase another HTC phone again.
Seeing as how my last 8 phones had the HTC brand on them, they will definitely be losing one very loyal customer...
I swore that I would never buy an iPhone because they are so locked down it's disgusting and consistently push out updates to try to stop attempts at jailbreaking the device. With that being said I stuck to my guns. I never bought one. Or any other Apple product for that matter. This is what the Amaze 4G is starting to remind me of.
HTC has officially dropped the ball this time and it's time we, the people, the one's paying idiotic amounts of money for these phones actually tried to do something about it.
I would still buy HTC. I'm sure devs can figure out a way to turn it off eventually, and I like the look of HTC phones (form and screen) the best.
I find it insanely stupid to pay six hundred dollars and not own a device. I love this phone but it will more than likely be my last HTC phone. I won't go Apple but probably back to Samsung, even though I owned the Moment,worse phone ever, or maybe Google will do more with the Moto Mobile and put out a great phone. I just don't see HTC doing what's right and giving us S-off or making it any easier.
No I Will NOT Buy Another HTC...Amaze Is For Sale!
People having "FUN" with their phones...that's precisely what drives new phone sales now. When newcomers pop onto a Great Dev Site, such as XDA, it literally drives/motivates them to run out and buy "the phone everyone's having such a great time playing with"...because...everyone wants to have fun with their phone! HTC & others build great form & functionality into their phones, but that's not to say they know best...we're simply talking about a staff of engineers that are tasked with developing a phone which functions 100% of the time, for 100% of the buying public, which only speaks to whats best for THEM...while very commendable feats of accomplishment indeed, each individual being able to take that same phone & teach it to do "flips & cartwheels", in addition to the "sit-ups & summersaults" the engineers have already presented, is but a further testiment to their great feat of engineering. I would consider this to be very "complimentary"...opposed to the "intrusive" stance they seem to be taking. Think about it & stand in their shoes for a moment. Try to imagine what a proud engineer would say..."gosh, look what great things these people are doing with My Phone". Anyone can build a phone...HTC used to build FUN into their phones...that's why I bought my First HTC...second HTC...third HTC. People must have fun with their phones....I believe HTC is too smart to not allow that any longer. HTC cannot possibly believe the sales of this "locked-up, house-trained Parrot" will ever soar with "Eagles" such as the likes of the HD2, the DHD, the EVO, the Sensation, and many others to this point! How many potential sales of the AMAZE have been negated by people coming to XDA alone? I would very safely say...enough to make a couple of down-ticks on their not-so-Amaze-ing revenues. On a separate up-note...all the Devs here at XDA are very first-rate, thorough & innovative. I have followed practically all of them, used all of their ROMs, tweaks & gadgets to complete satisfaction...I personally Thank All of You Very Much......
...."You All Alllowed Me To Have FUN With My Phone"....
No Way
I totally agree with daswahnsinn. I bought the phone and it should be mine to use however I like.
MildewMan said:
I would still buy HTC. I'm sure devs can figure out a way to turn it off eventually, and I like the look of HTC phones (form and screen) the best.
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There in lies the problem. It is not our responsibility to bypass security, create bounties or make pledges just to have full control over something WE own. Imagine purchasing a tv, only to discover certain cable providers are not compatible with it simply because the manufacturer of the tv says so. HTC has no logic reason for enabling this unnecessary security, but it's there nonetheless.
Meanwhile, we're left with a device, that some of use paid full price for, to use how HTC wants us to use it. I've been a fan of HTC since the Dash but this will be the last if they continue with this shady practice.
Still yes but i never buy new release phone wait for couple of months and see if there are any progress on the community for the device if it is rootable or the devs are interested to go on for further development.. there is a positive and negative side for this S-On S-Off thing..
first for the positive side yes it is a expensive device but there are alot of new comers aka (the one who doesn't carefully read and understand.) And if they saw a post like how to turn S-On to S-Off or Root your phone etc.. they just go straight away without reading the thread replies and so on and if that happen that it did brick there phone so to there last resort they will return there phone to htc for replacement or repair.. waste of time or money bad for htc to replace the unit that is defective.. that is why they impliment the locked S-On thing.
Negative is for us who want to fully expand the capabilities of our device yes we bought it in a highed price for this time and as a consumer once we bought it that means that we own it.. we need S-Off to customize and tell our phone what or how we want it to act up.. personal taste and personal preferences and that us consumers makes us happy for what we paid for..
as for the htc i hope that we have option like what you did for your bootloader to unlocked or re-locked the bootloader we hope the same thing on the S-ON thing..
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There in lies the problem. It is not our responsibility to bypass security, create bounties or make pledges just to have full control over something WE own. Imagine purchasing a tv, only to discover certain cable providers are not compatible with it simply because the manufacturer of the tv says so. HTC has no logic reason for enabling this unnecessary security, but it's there nonetheless.
Meanwhile, we're left with a device, that some of use paid full price for, to use how HTC wants us to use it. I've been a fan of HTC since the Dash but this will be the last if they continue with this shady practice.
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isn't the reason htc is doing this is to prevent people from bricking their phones and thus trying to claim a warranty exchange on a "broken" device? and sadly enough i heard of several people doing this back in the mt4g thread
from a business standpoint it makes perfect sense to me... and its funny how everyone is saying htc is preventing them from "fully owning" their phones, just cuz they're not helping us achieve s-off, which for the above reason i understand
and for those complaining that they spent $600+ on the phone and feel even more entitled to be able to do anything they want with it, well sorry you guys didn't have the patience to wait, either for the next time you're due for an upgrade, or for the price to drop...
my reason for choosing htc has/was/will always be cuz i like sense better than touchwiz/blur/aosp, they make great looking devices, and usually have some killer phone specs
besides, there's really not that much we can't do with our phones at this point, except flash radios, kernels already have a work around so really what's the big deal?
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isn't the reason htc is doing this is to prevent people from bricking their phones and thus trying to claim a warranty exchange on a "broken" device? and sadly enough i heard of several people doing this back in the mt4g thread
from a business standpoint it makes perfect sense to me... and its funny how everyone is saying htc is preventing them from "fully owning" their phones, just cuz they're not helping us achieve s-off, which for the above reason i understand
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I think that's the reason they gave us. I think another reason they are doing this is to prevent us from being able to make our phone the same as new phones that come out, so we still buy the new phones that come out.
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ATTN HTC:
IMHO, give the users S-OFF just like you've unlocked the bootloader. Force verified registration and have the users sign an EULA with all the caveats to removing S-ON.
Provide support/warranty for hardware only. Know that when you send your device in for hardware warranty purposes only, that your data will be wiped. Return the device (or a refurbed one) back to the user bone stock. Locked bootloader, S-ON, stock ROM, wiped internal SD, etc etc.
If the problem wasn't HW related and HTC has incurred costs fixing or diagnosing a software bug (ie: stupid luser bricked it because they didn't follow proper flashing instructions, etc) then send them a bill with the phone or send it back via UPS/FedEx COD. You want the phone back? Get your wallet out. You knew you were playing with fire when you registered for S-OFF/Unlocked bootloader.
The goal here is:
1) give the users what they want (S-OFF, Unlocked bootloader, Source, etc)
2) provide support for what should be supported or agreed upon (EULA)
3) hold the users accountable for their own mistakes (COD device returns for non-hw repairs)
4) provide world-class hardware & service and excel in this market via transparency
If I got this kind of service and support from a manufacturer; I'd be loyal to the brand for life.... and that's a lot of devices.
Cheers
(edit) and yes, I own an HTC Amaze 4G. my DD
smatthew45 said:
isn't the reason htc is doing this is to prevent people from bricking their phones and thus trying to claim a warranty exchange on a "broken" device? and sadly enough i heard of several people doing this back in the mt4g thread
from a business standpoint it makes perfect sense to me... and its funny how everyone is saying htc is preventing them from "fully owning" their phones, just cuz they're not helping us achieve s-off, which for the above reason i understand
and for those complaining that they spent $600+ on the phone and feel even more entitled to be able to do anything they want with it, well sorry you guys didn't have the patience to wait, either for the next time you're due for an upgrade, or for the price to drop...
my reason for choosing htc has/was/will always be cuz i like sense better than touchwiz/blur/aosp, they make great looking devices, and usually have some killer phone specs
besides, there's really not that much we can't do with our phones at this point, except flash radios, kernels already have a work around so really what's the big deal?
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If I have to explain the significance of S-off and the difference between security and prevention, you have no idea of the purpose of this thread, let alone development.....
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smatthew45 said:
and for those complaining that they spent $600+ on the phone and feel even more entitled to be able to do anything they want with it, well sorry you guys didn't have the patience to wait, either for the next time you're due for an upgrade, or for the price to drop...
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on your this point, it's not always that black and white, it's possible that, like me, their everyday phone just happened to break and they don't want to get a new one of their old phone, just to have to upgrade in a few months as they were planning on doing in the first place before their phone broke, as is the case with me... so I figured well I'll pay a little more for a new phone that will still be worth something when it comes time to get the phone I REALLY want...
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I think that's the reason they gave us. I think another reason they are doing this is to prevent us from being able to make our phone the same as new phones that come out, so we still buy the new phones that come out.
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I kind of agree, but samsung sure isn't having any issues selling new phones...
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as for the htc i hope that we have option like what you did for your bootloader to unlocked or re-locked the bootloader we hope the same thing on the S-ON thing..
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I think this would be the best route, that way people who don't care about the warranty and want to be able to do whatever they please with the device they purchased, can do so. And those who care about the warranty, can either wait it out, or choose to take a chance. Choice is the key here... that, to me, would be the easy way to do it that would be beneficial both to the consumer and to the manufacturer and distributors from a support standpoint.
If I wanted a locked phone, I'd have gotten the smugphone. I'm a technician with a bs in computer science. I don't need someone else telling me how use hardware that I paid the not subsidized price.
I don't have any statistics, but I'm willing to bet only a small minority of phone users actually root their phones and do the things we do here on xda. the reasoning that HTC is protecting us from ourselves or even protecting their own interest by not having to replace bricked phones is asinine. Samsung sold 20 million s2's so far and I'm willing to bet not even 10% of those phones have been rooted let alone sent back for root/modified related issues. Regardless, I'm not sure if sending them messages or whatever will help, but I still say go for it. It certainly wont hurt anything
its funny how samsung, sony and other companys are unlocking their bootloaders and stuff and HTC hasnt learned anything by this? xD
Yes, but only because if HTC doesn't get it together with Android I'm honestly debating going to WP7. I love the customization on Android but I don't like Samsung or any other Android phones so far (Maybe the Galaxy Nexus, which isn't on TMo). Maybe this will change, but as of now it's either HTC with Android or WP7.
I know it's taboo to mention WP7, but there are more and more tweaks and hacks coming out and they really are simple, beautiful, easy phones. I don't want to, but I hate the "business model" with Android manufacturers making tons of unfinished phones every year....
If it was truly impossible I would say a defiant NO! I'm really sick of this phone being so locked down I love htc's build quality but I am so tempted just to get a galaxy s 2 and not even waste my next upgrade on an htc phone if they keep this up
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Yes, I would, because I don't always have to root a phone/hack it to death to enjoy it, but that is just me and would be definitely in the shallow end of the pool on this site. I mean, I like to mess with ROM's and what not as much as the next guy, but it isn't a necessitie to me. I honestly still rocking a stock Amaze as it works fine for me. Now my MT4G is rooted and have been through a bunch of ROMS on it.
A lot of it is a time thing for me. Just have other interests taking a bigger role in my life currently. One day I may root this, but it won't ruin the experience for me.
I also don't get how someone posting this on February 24th can be this fabergasted by no S-off as it has been out since what November? The early adapters I can understand their frustration more so, but not someone who just recently got the phone or if they were an early adapter, waiting a few months to post how upset and fed up with HTC they are.
Just my opinion in a sea of many.
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Chance Ill said:
If I have to explain the significance of S-off and the difference between security and prevention, you have no idea of the purpose of this thread, let alone development.....
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ya i guess we can all just cry and complain to htc, and threaten to switch to another manufacturer like you want to do right? get real... lol
you said htc has no logical reason for enabling this unnecessary security, i just gave you a good reason, they gave us unlock to allow us to somewhat modify our phones without the chance of bricking and thus claiming a warranty exchange...
and htc has never helped anyone achieve s-off, it's always been the hard work of some dev/team to make that happen, and that remains true today with our amaze, the problem being we don't have many devs working on getting s-off on our phones...
again just cuz htc isn't helping us achieve s-off, doesn't mean they are stopping us from trying or "keeping us from fully owning our phones"
Yes I would, imo, HTC is the best company out there, I honestly think that HTC devices are the most popular among developers and advanced users, also, you have lots of choices if you root, aosp, sense, or miui
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As some of you may have came across one of my what to do threads ( coming from sprint to Verizon threads ) I was debating between the GNEX and the Rezound. My fiance went with the Razr.
From reading more and more I went with the GNEX, but after looking into the GNEX more and more its seems like a bad move. I went thru amazon wireless so I have 30 days to return the phone if I dont like it. I'll get the GNEX a run and see where she is at. If shes no good, I'll get the rezound. I went with the GNEX because I love AOSP, and dislike Sense.
But my main concern is no S-Off and that can make it or break it for a lot of things. My main thing is if I ever get a brick, it makes it that much harder to recover if at all amongst other things. I can adapt to flashing kernels a certain way no problem.
Long story short, there are a few S-off rezounds out there and even someone selling one now. If we can get that and reverse engineer it, then we have s-off right? Will it ever come?
I'm totally over it now. I've just gotten used to the limitations of S-ON, and it doesn't bother me one bit anymore. I can still do everything I need to do..
IMO it's about as likely as us getting aosp at this point. not alot of interest as i think most of the devs and users are comfortable with what we currently have. not saying we will "never" get s-off but as of now it doesn't look likely.
if this really concerns you, your best bet is to get the gnexus. i have heard miui may almost be ready so we could use the RIL from that for cm9 but we only have one dev working on cm9 and it seems to be more of a part time project from what i understand.
I'd personally bet this phone will never see s-off.
the ppl who can make it possible, for some reason do not like our community (from what I hear)
also, we have htc unlock, so they have about 0 enthusiasm to give us s-off as we already have root.
andybones said:
I'd personally bet this phone will never see s-off.
the ppl who can make it possible, for some reason do not like our community (from what I hear)
also, we have htc unlock, so they have about 0 enthusiasm to give us s-off as we already have root.
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alot of those devs went to the gneuxs too. the only sort of complaint i have is no aosp options. everything is sense based which is fine for some but it never hurts to have some choice.
Yeah, it's not looking good for s-off.
The good news is that we still have several ROMs and kernels to play with anyway. Enjoy!
andybones said:
I'd personally bet this phone will never see s-off.
the ppl who can make it possible, for some reason do not like our community (from what I hear)
also, we have htc unlock, so they have about 0 enthusiasm to give us s-off as we already have root.
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Why don't they like us!? What did we do to them!?!? ; ;
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Why don't they like us!? What did we do to them!?!? ; ;
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We weren't the "premier" device to go with.
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We weren't the "premier" device to go with.
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And what was? The nexus? lol bug city
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And what was? The nexus? lol bug city
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Well, i am not denying that, but yeah, the buggy phone still is the premiere device (even though our salesman was adamant that we DO NOT buy it, because of the bugs).
No s-off for us we might get lucky in the future but I wouldn't depend on it
Htc's devunlock has screwed us basically due to the fact that it gives developers less incentive to get us s-off
And most of use (including me) are happy with this
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Htc's devunlock has screwed us basically due to the fact that it gives developers less incentive to get us s-off
And most of use (including me) are happy with this
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That was probably HTC's intention all along. Less chances of bricking and replacements.
No, Nein, ii eh zen zen, Nyet .
If so many people want it but the devs dont wanna give it.. Why? Isnt s-off THAT much safer? Allows more ease etc etc.
If the rezound had s-off and launched with ICS It would of been alot more popular, especially for the devs.
true, but why not still strive for it? I understand why they dont but why woudnt they? Guessing by the comment people saying its not the premier device etc etc ...so then based on that then guessing there isnt many good devs for these device?
mroneeyedboh said:
true, but why not still strive for it? I understand why they dont but why woudnt they? Guessing by the comment people saying its not the premier device etc etc ...so then based on that then guessing there isnt many good devs for these device?
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The rezound spec wise blows the gnexus away. Yes we have "good devs" but most of them are only interested in sense. As of now there is no aosp options. The devs who are "fluent" with cracking hboots "soff" are all on the gnexus.
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If so many people want it but the devs dont wanna give it.. Why? Isnt s-off THAT much safer? Allows more ease etc etc.
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Give? Kind of an understatement.
It takes a ton of work to "try" to break into a device to gain S-OFF... It's not an easy task and many times takes many people trying different tactics over a long period of time (like months) to accomplish if they are even successful then.
yeah I dont know whats into getting S-off I didnt mean GIVE like it was a 10 min process.. but people are always saying th devs dont want us to give it to us. AS in spend the time to crack it. Long story short. thanks haha
mroneeyedboh said:
yeah I dont know whats into getting S-off I didnt mean GIVE like it was a 10 min process.. but people are always saying th devs dont want us to give it to us. AS in spend the time to crack it. Long story short. thanks haha
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De-sensed ROMs will get very (VERY) close to AOSP
(like this one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1507670
And the Rezound is a better phone in my opinion.
After having several Samsungs, I couldn't go back.
Here were some of my inhibitions to getting the GNEX (and why I didn't get it -- independent of being a lover of HTC phones and build quality)
1) No data and voice at the same time unless you're on 4g. I use 3g all of the time to save battery (I use it VERy extensively for work and need constant - but not always super high bandwidth - internet)
2) Weaker/poor antennas (way lower reception than Rezound, way weaker GPS antenna - although it probably does stay awake when the screen is off on GNEX)
3) Did I mention that it's a Samsung?
The only things that I WISH I had from the GNEX are NFC (to use Google Wallet - that **** is the FUTURE) and maybe the massive display (which has the bottom portion if it wasted with virtual buttons anyway - so it's not as 'big' as it says it is).
I also, however, am a Sense lover. So much so that if I go on AOSP ROMs on my phones (like Eris and Incredible and others), I wind up going to Sense after several days or weeks. I can't stand how POORLY refind AOSP is, how LESS smooth it is (yes, I said it.... Choppier and LESS smooth than sense, despite the file sizes), and I miss all of the Sense Apps.
The Sense dialer is unparalleled. Some 3rd party apps come close but.... nothing is Sense.
Swiping screens feels much more natural on Sense than ANY other launcher, save the iOS devices. I remember having an Incredible next to a Droid X (rooted/overclocked droid X) and laughing at how CHOPPY swiping screens and moving the app drawer was with the X versus how SMOOTH it was with the Incredible. iPhone users laugh at how un-smooth AOSP is.
The GNEX is a lot faster than other AOSP phones and is quite a bit smoother. So I give it that. But It's a Samsung. I can't go back to that dark place.