So what are the pros and cons.... I know about the partition. Are they any other issues with the conversion? If you came back from N4 what made you come back? Cos after the SD card, NFC and LTE fix what else was broken? Thanks in advance.
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So what are the pros and cons.... I know about the partition. Are they any other issues with the conversion? If you came back from N4 what made you come back? Cos after the SD card, NFC and LTE fix what else was broken? Thanks in advance.
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My main reason for doing the conversion was to get hybrid ROMs like Rootbox or PACman (which weren't available natively on LGOG at the time). To me, really the only pro is a larger selection of ROMs. This isn't necesarily a better selection, just bigger - it depends on what you are specifically looking for in a ROM as to whether this makes it worth it or not.
With the available fixes already posted, there really aren't any huge cons either - GPS works, camera works, you get full internal storage and external SD support. However, there were cases I ran across where I couldn't get certain fixes working with certain ROMs - things like touch key lights not working and the like. I'm sure they are fixable in these cases, it just takes someone smarter than me to figure out how.
I think the main reason the conversion is frowned upon is that there isn't a compelling, across-all-ROMs improvement or feature that would be available on a converted device that isn't available on the 'native' track. So why risk a brick monkeying with partition layouts and potentially dangerous N4 install scripts (apparently some of them flash using partition numbers rather than names, and this will kill ya dead - gotta read carefully. I never ran across one).
I had minimal issues when running converted ( I think I was running that way for 3 weeks or so maybe?? Can't remember). Most of the issues were things that were more annoyances, rather than real usage problems. However, as my main reason for converting was to get a hybrid ROM, once houstonn brought Rootbox to the LGOG natively, I decided to come back. I'm usually a little short on time, and it was getting difficult to keep up with all the LGOG threads, plus all the N4 ROM threads, plus figuring out how to fix the ROMs for use on the LGOG. It's easy here, a one stop shop for LGOG learning, if you will...
I suspect with the native 4.2.2 stuff running around here now, there will be a steady decrease in the amount of 'development' on conversion stuff - it seems quite a bit quieter now than it was a month or 2 ago. I'd rather stay where the action is, as that's usually where the little remaining issues get solved first.
FWIW, I had no issues either converting to, or back from, N4. The threads here do a good job of spelling out the process - it's just a matter of reading through them enough times to understand what is going on and what to expect at each step.
Thanks for writing up your experience... The main reason I asked this question was... Some of the (if not all of them) AOSP Roms have major issues like if GPS works something else will be broken and if something else worksworks other is broken. But I did not see that in N4 conversion. (At least to my knowledge) I'm just talking about just pure aosp Roms. ..is this a trurt statement I'm making? Thanks in advance.
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Thanks for writing up your experience... The main reason I asked this question was... Some of the (if not all of them) AOSP Roms have major issues like if GPS works something else will be broken and if something else worksworks other is broken. But I did not see that in N4 conversion. (At least to my knowledge) I'm just talking about just pure aosp Roms. ..is this a trurt statement I'm making? Thanks in advance.
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I can't say for certain - most of these 'tradeoff' issues, at least from what I've seen, seem to revolve around which modem you choose to run. I believe, at the moment the only 100% no issue setup is and ICS ROM with ICS modem. I believe these issues persist whether you are on N4 conversion or native LGOG setup - but I could be wrong here.
Here's the basic breakdown - somebody correct me if I'm wrong on these, I haven't run most of these setups personally:
If you run ICS modem on JB ROM, you get broken GPS.
If you run .33 N4 modem you get good GPS and Data speeds, but occasional data drops. Also, apparently you can't make outgoing calls in LTE coverage. You can fix the data connection by toggling airplane mode. This isn't a huge issue for most people, but is for me as I use Google voice and IM apps for messaging (rather than SMS) so if I don't notice the data drop and toggle, I'm missing messages.
If you run ATT JB modem on JB ROMs you get working GPS, decent data speed, and working LTE calling. All Outgoing calls drop to a background process after initiation, so if after hitting dial you need to interact with the call, you have to open the notification drawer and then click on the call to foreground it. Does not impact actual functioning of the call. Network name is reported as 'maritime' rather than AT&T.
I think there's another N4 modem that will work with LTE (.27 maybe - somebody jump in here) so that might be another option...I haven't tried it. there is one N4 modem that breaks LTE support.
I've been almost exclusively on houstonn's RootBox since coming back to native setup - so I may have missed issues with other ROMs - I do try to keep up with all the threads though. Hopefully someone else on one of the others can chime in with other issues, if there are any, that I missed. FWIW, I have never lost GPS on my device...I'm not sure why some have and some haven't...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2270319
One stop shopping for all your radio needs.
Thanks again both of you... t I wanted to know why and I think I got what I was looking for.. Anyway, I guess I will stick with my rooted stock JB for now till some of these issues get resolved. Thanks again for all your time.
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OK--people are talking all around this issue, and I am looking for a blunt answer. Hopefully this thread can be found easily via Google.
FACT: The GPS fix for stock Galaxy phones we all know about doesn't work for many people.
FACT: Some custom Vibrant ROMs, like Bionix, claim to have fixed the GPS issues.
QUESTION 1: Is the GPS fix in these custom ROMs the same as the one released by Samsung for the Captivate?
QUESTION 2: If not, can anyone verify the performance of the custom ROM fixes? I have seen threads on this site that suggest the GPS is even worse after using a custom ROM (including Bionix).
I am the minority it seems, but my gps is much worse after flashing Bionix 1.8 and 1.9.1. When I was stock JFD I actually created a thread complimenting my GPS.... and now it's useless. No matter how long I stay outside I can not get a lock.
I am not certain what the issue is, because some on the same ROM claim it is great. Not sure how I lost out.... and not blaming sombionix, his rom is so good I still use it even with this issue (and I consider it a big one).
I do not know enough about what he did, but I don't think much was altered from JI6.
Thanks s15274n!
I am going to do some testing...I have access to a stock Vibrant (with no GPS fix), and a stock Captivate (with recent GPS fix). I will do a "map my run" route with each (using my Nexus One and maybe even my G1 as an experiment control), then root the Vibrant with Bionix Fusion, and post my results--probably here and in a blog post. That will give me 5 separate results to compare.
The screenshots and data output should settle all the BS flying around, although I am sure that some people will claim that their particular phone has no problems whatsoever.
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Thanks s15274n!
I am going to do some testing...I have access to a stock Vibrant (with no GPS fix), and a stock Captivate (with recent GPS fix). I will do a "map my run" route with each (using my Nexus One and maybe even my G1 as an experiment control), then root the Vibrant with Bionix Fusion, and post my results--probably here and in a blog post. That will give me 5 separate results to compare.
The screenshots and data output should settle all the BS flying around, although I am sure that some people will claim that their particular phone has no problems whatsoever.
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Just to add my two cents, I've continued to experience horrible GPS performance despite the fix in JI6. Quite simply, it's unusable if I don't open G-Maps before I drive away from my wirless SSID.
Unfortunately, questions posted here are routinely met with "reflash" and "why can't people search? these issues have been solved a million times!". Most people seem content to assume that since it was fixed on their phone, we're too stupid to figure out how to apply this particular "fix".
This is my fifth phone. My G1, MyTouch, and Nexus One all had GPS' which worked simply and reliably. My Galaxy S phones...not so much. It's gotten to the point where I'm seriously considering paying HTC to fix the busted AMOLED screen on my Nexus One so I can go back to that and sell my Vibrant and i9000 on craigslist.
Sorry for the rant. I only meant to chime in to say "you're not the only one". I'm just frustrated.
I'll be interested to see your results if you go through with your test.
Hi folks, I've had the AT&T samsung galaxy sII i777 for some time now and i've loved having android capabilities in comparison to the iPhone which i almost went with. I'm having one problem though; I cannot seem to even get a solid connection or establish a call around my part of town, even though other AT&T phones have no problem at all! My sister for example, has a new iphone. And while she gets bad service, she can at least make a call without any problem. For me, it will instantly end my call upon dial, give me a no-service prompt, or will just hang/stall on the dialer app. Very VERY frusterating to say the least.
My theory is that my android keeps trying to search between different networking types to find which type of connection will be ideal (edge, 3g, 4g etc), but won't stay on a service long enough while switching between different types to actually do anything. I've tryed many different modems, but with zero luck. Lately, i've given up on the project and have just been staying on the default one's that comes with the i777 AOKP package updates. And just to be clear, I am running the i777 aokp rom, not the ported i9100 to i777 AOKP rom.
Before i even rooted and flashed the sucker, on the default stock rom, it seemed to run way better than it is right now. I know custom roms are expected to have bugs, but AOKP has been out for some time, and even on the latest builds, i've had lots of apps (mainly the browser) crashing on me constantly. I've been thinking about just completely formatting the SD card, and starting anew with a fresh install of a brand new rom (after doing some thorough homework on it, of course). But that brings up another question, will formatting the SD card, also format Root Access and the installed kernal?
What are the secure steps to Completely clean my SD card, and start from scratch? I definitely don't want to brick my phone.
thank you for any feedback
Your sd card doesn't have anything to do with the functionality of the phone. It will only be a waste of your time, as you will just have to put your media back on it.
Which modem do you have now? Have you tried other ROMs?
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Your problems have NOTHING TO DO with AOKP. Someone reading this may get that idea. Whatever apps u have crash or service errors and reception are not the fault of that rom. It's a mix of at&t problems and user error or poorly written apps.
If you had noticeably better service with the stock rom but wanted the additional features the devs here provide, sounds like you'd be better off with a rom built off a samsung source rather than AOSP source. You can try flashing a different modem first (see the thread at the top of the development forum). My phone came with UCKK6, and now i'm running UCLE5 (on AOKP 6/22), which has always seemed to provide slightly better reception and data rates. I'd start there if i were you.
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If you had noticeably better service with the stock rom but wanted the additional features the devs here provide, sounds like you'd be better off with a rom built off a samsung source rather than AOSP source. You can try flashing a different modem first (see the thread at the top of the development forum). My phone came with UCKK6, and now i'm running UCLE5 (on AOKP 6/22), which has always seemed to provide slightly better reception and data rates. I'd start there if i were you.
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That's interesting...after doing some testing, I discovered its opposite for me, or at least in the south part of my town. The uckk6 works better than the ucle5 by what seems like 20% or so. But on such a small scale with only getting 1 or 2 bars in the first place, its rally hard to tell. Its only a 10kb/sec difference unless I somehow find a strong connection in my house. My neighbors also have a large HAM radio antenna in their backyard and I think it causes minor interference with the cell towers :*(
I'm trying to figure out what the most stable and functional ROM is for my MDK VZW S4. I've tried to research this several times but I find that I have to essentially read through every thread for every ROM, and even then there are things that are left out. My previous phone was a Galaxy Nexus, so I was probably spoiled by the wealth of information about the various ROMs, but there's no reason we can't have a thread like this.
History of my ROM usage with my S4
I started out with Hyperdrive ROMs but later decided I just couldn't deal with TW no matter how much work the Hyperdrive guys did try to clean it up (kudos to them for the best ROM for people stuck with a locked bootloader though!).
Next up I went to Gummy ROM to try out 4.4, which honestly hasn't really impressed me. My GPS never works right, seemingly related to the compass problem? Not sure here, but this is a major deal breaker for me.
Problems I've had and seen mentioned in multiple threads; are these fixed in ANY ROM???
The above mentioned compass problems. I've read about factory calibration issues, I'm going to try a few of those fixes, but I also see a LOT of people saying this is a driver issue? Which is it?
HDR camera doesn't work, attempting to use it just makes solid black pics.
Bluetooth audio playback problems. I've heard this mentioned many times, but haven't had a chance to test myself. This only becomes a big deal for me in the summer when I'm using this feature to stream music to the stereo on my boat.
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Dan
My EVO 4G LTE has, with all custom ROMs, lost stability after a month or two, developing different arrays of performance quirks or problems.
I'm interested in if there's a way to test the hardware on the phone? I'm tired of switching / reinstalling ROMs.
At first I thought the problem was that the ROMs were unstable but I've chosen from the bet ones available - PACman, Viper, a couple others I can't recall right now. The phone is rooted via Dirty Racun FYI...
Currently, with Carbon, the problems consist of:
With screen lock off, when waking the phone via the power button, something on the current screen will activate, whether it's an app shortcut on the homescreen, or a function inside of an active app.
Setting for LTE / 3G will not stay on 3G (LTE coverage is spotty enough that I just don't use it)
Random crashes / resets / bootloops; occasionally the phone will freeze on the loading screen with the Carbon logo and require me to hard-reset it.
Once in a while it's ignored my alarm clock.
Usually when dialing out, the phone will hang and fail to connect / ring, and I'll have to hang up and dial out a 2nd time to connect / ring through.
With ROMs I've used in the past, the arrays of problems have been different but of similar nature. At first I was inclined to blame the ROM in use but as my phone is the common element between them, I'm interested in how I can determine if I have a lemon on my hands or what.
Thanks for reading this.
Go back to stock rooted and see how it runs.
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Go back to stock rooted and see how it runs.
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I'm not unwilling to do that, but I have extra time this weekend to run diagnostics as well if there's any method by which that's possible? It seems to take a few weeks for problems to start developing when I install a fresh ROM.
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I'm not unwilling to do that, but I have extra time this weekend to run diagnostics as well if there's any method by which that's possible? It seems to take a few weeks for problems to start developing when I install a fresh ROM.
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Any such diagnostics when not on a stock ROM can be issues with the custom ROM, not the device. If they occur when on stock, that helps determine hardware may be at fault.
Most of the AOSP ROMs suffer from kernel and data issues because they use the same base. You might want to try the Android 4.3 RUU as well since that's the latest we have for the device.
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Most of the AOSP ROMs suffer from kernel and data issues because they use the same base. You might want to try the Android 4.3 RUU as well since that's the latest we have for the device.
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Ah, thanks for this. I didn't think it would be reasonable to blame the ROMs across the board. I'll look into the 4.3 RUU.
Today I moved over to a 4.4aosp rom, and I noticed that the phone switches to 3g a lot, and always when I put it in my pocket. Never had this on TW. Is this common with aosp?
me too
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Today I moved over to a 4.4aosp rom, and I noticed that the phone switches to 3g a lot, and always when I put it in my pocket. Never had this on TW. Is this common with aosp?
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I'm having the same issue. But it's just strictly 3g. I'm on pacrom 4.4.2 nightly 4/21 release. Have tried at least 7 different versions of pacrom. Any fix or somewhere anybody can guide me would be great! Thanks!
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Today I moved over to a 4.4aosp rom, and I noticed that the phone switches to 3g a lot, and always when I put it in my pocket. Never had this on TW. Is this common with aosp?
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Samsung has the proprietary drivers for cell signal. The RIL for CM Roms cannot obtain the same level of signal. I've compared this countless times with CM vs TW, and TW will always have the better signal/data strength. This is especially pronounced in areas of weaker signal. You'll notice that you'll drop LTE, and it will take a while to get it back. It has been much improved, but if signal is a must for you, TW cannot be beaten. Sometimes you can compare the dbm side by side and it will show the same, but real world use will have AOSP roms suffering more with their signal. Sucks, but it is what it is. I used to always flash aosp for speed and then signal issues would annoy me (work in buildings with poor service to start) and would end up on TW again. Ymmv
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Originally Posted by kude87
Samsung has the proprietary drivers for cell signal. The RIL for CM Roms cannot obtain the same level of signal. I've compared this countless times with CM vs TW, and TW will always have the better signal/data strength. This is especially pronounced in areas of weaker signal. You'll notice that you'll drop LTE, and it will take a while to get it back. It has been much improved, but if signal is a must for you, TW cannot be beaten. Sometimes you can compare the dbm side by side and it will show the same, but real world use will have AOSP roms suffering more with their signal. Sucks, but it is what it is. I used to always flash aosp for speed and then signal issues would annoy me (work in buildings with poor service to start) and would end up on TW again. Ymmv
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Understandable and thanks for replying back but I am still a little bit confused. This almost means that everybody who is on CM roms have only a 3G signal at best. And from what I have been researching TW roms pretty much do not exist anymore (or at least are not updated) I am just having a difficult time finding a rom that has everything I want as well as my LTE/4G data speeds. I have tried over 10 different nightly PacRom builds and its the same thing. If I mess around with the different "preferred network types I can get it to trigger LTE but then I am unable to make or receive calls. I would post this in the PacRom thread but I do not have enough posts to do so.
Thanks again for replying back.
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Understandable and thanks for replying back but I am still a little bit confused. This almost means that everybody who is on CM roms have only a 3G signal at best. And from what I have been researching TW roms pretty much do not exist anymore (or at least are not updated) I am just having a difficult time finding a rom that has everything I want as well as my LTE/4G data speeds. I have tried over 10 different nightly PacRom builds and its the same thing. If I mess around with the different "preferred network types I can get it to trigger LTE but then I am unable to make or receive calls. I would post this in the PacRom thread but I do not have enough posts to do so.
Thanks again for replying back.
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Do you get full 4G when you're on a TW rom? I run nephilim right now after trying all the roms and I think it works quite well. Theres no perfect rom out there, so you'll have to decide what you're willing to sacrifice
What I noticed on AOSP/CM/AOKP roms:
Battery life is dismal - even on airplane mode I drained my battery to 20 in 6 hours.
GPS performance is lowered - even though I get locked on, it doesnt seem to track me as well. (this could be coincidental or biased.. lol)
Signal - definitely lowered, but barely not very noticeable. (You might want to check on a TW rom like I mentioned earlier)
Camera - some roms are super buggy, crashing every other shot then unable to initialize my camera afterwards
Text reflow is gone
Random bugs all around, usually not bad if I'm working in the office, but for weekend excursions, I'd rather have the stability of TW overall.
Let me know what you think, and definitely try switching back to a TW rom to see if your signal woes are resolved. Could be a hardware issue as well.
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Do you get full 4G when you're on a TW rom? I run nephilim right now after trying all the roms and I think it works quite well. Theres no perfect rom out there, so you'll have to decide what you're willing to sacrifice
What I noticed on AOSP/CM/AOKP roms:
Battery life is dismal - even on airplane mode I drained my battery to 20 in 6 hours.
GPS performance is lowered - even though I get locked on, it doesnt seem to track me as well. (this could be coincidental or biased.. lol)
Signal - definitely lowered, but barely not very noticeable. (You might want to check on a TW rom like I mentioned earlier)
Camera - some roms are super buggy, crashing every other shot then unable to initialize my camera afterwards
Text reflow is gone
Random bugs all around, usually not bad if I'm working in the office, but for weekend excursions, I'd rather have the stability of TW overall.
Let me know what you think, and definitely try switching back to a TW rom to see if your signal woes are resolved. Could be a hardware issue as well.
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I need to locate a TW rom and go back to check. I am not seeing any that have been updated to 4.4 yet so I guess I will just have to settle with 4.3 because the signal and now that you mention it the battery life is very dismal. Thanks again for your assistance!
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Do you get full 4G when you're on a TW rom? I run nephilim right now after trying all the roms and I think it works quite well. Theres no perfect rom out there, so you'll have to decide what you're willing to sacrifice
What I noticed on AOSP/CM/AOKP roms:
Battery life is dismal - even on airplane mode I drained my battery to 20 in 6 hours.
GPS performance is lowered - even though I get locked on, it doesnt seem to track me as well. (this could be coincidental or biased.. lol)
Signal - definitely lowered, but barely not very noticeable. (You might want to check on a TW rom like I mentioned earlier)
Camera - some roms are super buggy, crashing every other shot then unable to initialize my camera afterwards
Text reflow is gone
Random bugs all around, usually not bad if I'm working in the office, but for weekend excursions, I'd rather have the stability of TW overall.
Let me know what you think, and definitely try switching back to a TW rom to see if your signal woes are resolved. Could be a hardware issue as well.
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I tried Trent's and nephillim ROMs and I still have only 3g on both. This has just started happening recently too but it stays on 3g no matter how many times I wipe data and factory reset. Im starting to think that I may need a new sim card. Also I didn't realize the WiFi issue with the other two 4.3 ROMs until I already flashed them and then reverted back to 4.4
Thanks again for the assistance. I'm gonna get a new late sim card and see if that helps.
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I tried Trent's and nephillim ROMs and I still have only 3g on both. This has just started happening recently too but it stays on 3g no matter how many times I wipe data and factory reset. Im starting to think that I may need a new sim card. Also I didn't realize the WiFi issue with the other two 4.3 ROMs until I already flashed them and then reverted back to 4.4
Thanks again for the assistance. I'm gonna get a new late sim card and see if that helps.
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Sounds like you also are on the old firmware..you will see WiFi issues on 4.3tw if your not on the latest
Just curious if anybody noticed better signal on aosp 4.4 after flashing a leak tw4.4 then back to aosp-like the texting fix floating around
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Just curious if anybody noticed better signal on aosp 4.4 after flashing a leak tw4.4 then back to aosp-like the texting fix floating around
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Nope its the same.