Note to those in BAMF thread - Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note II

Hey guys no offense or anything, but none of the founding guys at Team BAMF really gives a damn about anything anyone thinks. We are a group of friends who enjoy tinkering with stuff when time permits. We all have careers, hobbies, and most importantly families and lives.
What we do stand by is what we all think is the spirit of what Android represents. If Joelz or others loosely associated with Team BAMF did shady things as you suggest with phones/donations etc. then please show me. Too put it bluntly, we don't play that **** and neither does XDA. If that's the case, we will handle that real quick. We can't handle things we don't know about.
And the last thing.. I didn't read all the thread because to be honest it looked like a bunch of cry baby BS about five pages in, but not everyone wants 10000 of cherry picked features from the same three roms with a different name slapped on it. We don't operate on the premise that everyone will like us. People that have been around in the Android scene will know us and most likely have nice things to say. The ones that need their egos stroked and asses kissed will not. Regardless, BAMF's work is a hobby, and released only for the people who enjoy it, who we consider friends and fellow Android enthusiasts looking to stray away from the masses.
To the few in here defending, thanks for taking the time to get the facts. To the people here *****ing.. Feel free to carry on with your mindless bashing on an internet forum of people you don't even know, and who would most definitely put a boot in your ass in real life.. :good:

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I'll bet we could still go into the rezound forum and dig up one of his old threads for pokemon rom and show where he was accused of putting out failed ROMs and agreeing be did. Probably can find the thread of him trying to sell it. Probably can show people complaining it was taking 2+months for updates. Probably can find the donatuon thread in the GS3 section that showed the protest overall this and him agreeing to not do that with the GS3 then to fail at releasing anything there.
See he lucks out as mods will protect him because he never asks for a donated device. Someone always comes in and praises him and says how great he is, he comes in and says he will do XYZ if he gets the phone and then tada phone given, a few failed releases and he is gone. He never actually breaks XDA rules but that doesn't mean he doesn't con people.
More than once he said he would do all kinds of things for said device he is going to get. He gets the device and then oh but he doesn't have time because of school. If he doesn't have time he should say so and not have people give him a phone.
Anyone who was with the GS3 from day 1 knows I did more for that device than Joelz ever has, and I didn't do much.
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nosympathy said:
I'll bet we could still go into the rezound forum and dig up one of his old threads for pokemon rom and show where he was accused of putting out failed ROMs and agreeing be did. Probably can find the thread of him trying to sell it. Probably can show people complaining it was taking 2+months for updates. Probably can find the donatuon thread in the GS3 section that showed the protest overall this and him agreeing to not do that with the GS3 then to fail at releasing anything there.
See he lucks out as mods will protect him because he never asks for a donated device. Someone always comes in and praises him and says how great he is, he comes in and says he will do XYZ if he gets the phone and then tada phone given, a few failed releases and he is gone. He never actually breaks XDA rules but that doesn't mean he doesn't con people.
More than once he said he would do all kinds of things for said device he is going to get. He gets the device and then oh but he doesn't have time because of school. If he doesn't have time he should say so and not have people give him a phone.
Anyone who was with the GS3 from day 1 knows I did more for that device than Joelz ever has, and I didn't do much.
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Tis true. Making that first deodex stock rom was sickk. Hence why I support both parties. Bamf's name shouldn't be totally trashed because of only Joelz
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nosympathy said:
I'll bet we could still go into the rezound forum and dig up one of his old threads for pokemon rom and show where he was accused of putting out failed ROMs and agreeing be did. Probably can find the thread of him trying to sell it. Probably can show people complaining it was taking 2+months for updates. Probably can find the donatuon thread in the GS3 section that showed the protest overall this and him agreeing to not do that with the GS3 then to fail at releasing anything there.
See he lucks out as mods will protect him because he never asks for a donated device. Someone always comes in and praises him and says how great he is, he comes in and says he will do XYZ if he gets the phone and then tada phone given, a few failed releases and he is gone. He never actually breaks XDA rules but that doesn't mean he doesn't con people.
More than once he said he would do all kinds of things for said device he is going to get. He gets the device and then oh but he doesn't have time because of school. If he doesn't have time he should say so and not have people give him a phone.
Anyone who was with the GS3 from day 1 knows I did more for that device than Joelz ever has, and I didn't do much.
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Youre damned right you did more than he did, and yes I was there from day 1.
Thats partially where my distaste for him comes from, and thereby my distaste for BAMF because by not acting it gave the impression that they could give a **** about Joelz actions, as if they could care less that he was doing all that. Not saying that's the case, just the impression I was given, and still have since he is still a member, by the whole situation. The reason I am given that impression mainly is because I dont know how they haven't heard of this situation before, I thought there was another member of BAMF that posted with fair frequency on the threads on the S3 but I cannot remember for the life of me what his name was and may be wrong, and I dont know how they havent caught wind of it because it was a huge issue on the S3 forums and from what I understood it was on the rezound forums too. I know people can get busy and not have time to do everything they want or need to and that a lot of BAMF doesnt come to XDA because of the drama, on the same hand though the reason a lot of people dislike BAMF and the reason I have a terrible impression of the team is because of Joelz actions and how he was never reprimanded.
I also was given the impression that Joelz had more than a loose connection by how he and other spoke about his position in the team, he always talked how he was so high up in the team and was backed up.
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hopesrequiem said:
Tis true. Making that first deodex stock rom was sickk. Hence why I support both parties. Bamf's name shouldn't be totally trashed because of only Joelz
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Agreed but the reason a lot of people have bad opinions, and the reason I am put off by BAMF, is because their first interactions with BAMF was thru Joelz and his actions made the rest of the team look bad when he wasn't reprimanded.
Not saying its right, the impression I have gotten from the OP and adrynalyne is excellent, but thats the way humans read situations. If someone froma group does wrong while using the name of the group and isn't reprimanded or thrown out it looks bad.
I am not flaming BAMF with this post or any of my others, just to explain the reasoning behind the distaste that was caused by Joelz bad actions while using the BAMF name.
BTW I thought I recognized you from the S3 forums when I moved to the N2 but wasn't sure. Nice to see another name I recognize here!
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thatdudebutch said:
Hey guys no offense or anything, but none of the founding guys at Team BAMF really gives a damn about anything anyone thinks. We are a group of friends who enjoy tinkering with stuff when time permits. We all have careers, hobbies, and most importantly families and lives.
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You don't care what I think? /me cries :crying:

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I miss you guys from my Rezound. It was always my go to Rom. Glad to see BAMF on the Note.

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I'm excited to see the note with team Bamf! I don't know joelz and the whole situation. I know the original members from the thunderbolt and the Samsung Omnia back in winmo days.
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Im not quite understanding why people keep bring this up. Your beating a dead horse here! It has been a year since all the **** went down in the rezound forum, but yet it still keeps on coming up. I understand the animosity towards joelz in this forum, but quite honestly I couldnt give 2 ****s about it. Look, people donated, and he made a rom. Who is to say how many roms/updates are required to fulfill or payback for a donated device? As far as I know, there are no contacts here. I will say this, never in my day, has anyone come up to me and said "look, Ill buy you a welder if you do some work for me, and dont worry about a contact, I trust you." It doesnt work like that. I understand that majority of people on here are young and nieve to lifes bull****, but people need to move on and take this as a life lesson. I think mods should close down any donation threads on here to prevent any this from happening again. I like bamf, I think they put out a good product, as do the majority of the other devs on this forum. If joelz has done what everybody says he's done, it really shows his character and the mods should do something about it.
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shangrila500 said:
Youre damned right you did more than he did, and yes I was there from day 1.
Thats partially where my distaste for him comes from, and thereby my distaste for BAMF because by not acting it gave the impression that they could give a **** about Joelz actions, as if they could care less that he was doing all that. Not saying that's the case, just the impression I was given, and still have since he is still a member, by the whole situation. The reason I am given that impression mainly is because I dont know how they haven't heard of this situation before, I thought there was another member of BAMF that posted with fair frequency on the threads on the S3 but I cannot remember for the life of me what his name was and may be wrong, and I dont know how they havent caught wind of it because it was a huge issue on the S3 forums and from what I understood it was on the rezound forums too. I know people can get busy and not have time to do everything they want or need to and that a lot of BAMF doesnt come to XDA because of the drama, on the same hand though the reason a lot of people dislike BAMF and the reason I have a terrible impression of the team is because of Joelz actions and how he was never reprimanded.
I also was given the impression that Joelz had more than a loose connection by how he and other spoke about his position in the team, he always talked how he was so high up in the team and was backed up.
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Agreed but the reason a lot of people have bad opinions, and the reason I am put off by BAMF, is because their first interactions with BAMF was thru Joelz and his actions made the rest of the team look bad when he wasn't reprimanded.
Not saying its right, the impression I have gotten from the OP and adrynalyne is excellent, but thats the way humans read situations. If someone froma group does wrong while using the name of the group and isn't reprimanded or thrown out it looks bad.
I am not flaming BAMF with this post or any of my others, just to explain the reasoning behind the distaste that was caused by Joelz bad actions while using the BAMF name.
BTW I thought I recognized you from the S3 forums when I moved to the N2 but wasn't sure. Nice to see another name I recognize here!
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Do you make assumptions like that in real life? None of us are his keeper. We are all grown men. He has always had different devices than me or the others. Again, show me some of what you are talking about. If these things are true, they will be handled because we don't play that ****.

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thatdudebutch said:
Do you make assumptions like that in real life? None of us are his keeper. We are all grown men. He has always had different devices than me or the others. Again, show me some of what you are talking about. If these things are true, they will be handled because we don't play that ****.
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Yes I actually do, im a grown man also and if I have a group and catch even the remotest wind that someone in my group is giving it a bad name I would research it until I found out the truth. Thats the way it goes in the real world, if someone is a member of your group and they misrepresent it then that goves the whole group a bad name when there are no reprimands.
As for researching it I am leaving it up to nosympathy for the time because last timr this discussion got brought up he had the threads from all the devices save where the only one I know how to find is the S3 thread. And honestly I dont know if the mods have deleted all the evidence yet or not, the deleted quite a bit of it while the conversation was in its prime. If nosympathy cant or doesnt want to look it up again I will look through the XDA post and see if there is anything left after the mods edited it.
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Bradh024 said:
Im not quite understanding why people keep bring this up. Your beating a dead horse here! It has been a year since all the **** went down in the rezound forum, but yet it still keeps on coming up. I understand the animosity towards joelz in this forum, but quite honestly I couldnt give 2 ****s about it. Look, people donated, and he made a rom. Who is to say how many roms/updates are required to fulfill or payback for a donated device? As far as I know, there are no contacts here. I will say this, never in my day, has anyone come up to me and said "look, Ill buy you a welder if you do some work for me, and dont worry about a contact, I trust you." It doesnt work like that. I understand that majority of people on here are young and nieve to lifes bull****, but people need to move on and take this as a life lesson. I think mods should close down any donation threads on here to prevent any this from happening again. I like bamf, I think they put out a good product, as do the majority of the other devs on this forum. If joelz has done what everybody says he's done, it really shows his character and the mods should do something about it.
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I agree with you about donation threads, they shoulsnt be allowed at all anymore on XDA thanks to all the bad **** thats happened.
As for him not being reprimanded, that is because the mods were on his side because technically he did not break XDAs rules, which need to be adjusted to move on with the times, on the subject and because one of them was a fan of Joelz.
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shangrila500 said:
Yes I actually do, im a grown man also and if I have a group and catch even the remotest wind that someone in my group is giving it a bad name I would research it until I found out the truth. Thats the way it goes in the real world, if someone is a member of your group and they misrepresent it then that goves the whole group a bad name when there are no reprimands.
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LOL. Like someone said above, he was given a phone and made a ROM for it. Did he promise to keep developing stuff for it? Did he lead people on? How the f do I know? I don't look through all the device threads on XDA. Do you paruse the RAZR threads? I sure as hell don't. Same with any other device I don't freaking have. You telling us is catching "The remotest wind".. Whatever that is. I will find out though. And after all this BS, it better be true and not some prima donna BS from some bored XDA members.

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thatdudebutch said:
LOL. Like someone said above, he was given a phone and made a ROM for it. Did he promise to keep developing stuff for it? Did he lead people on? How the f do I know? I don't look through all the device threads on XDA. Do you paruse the RAZR threads? I sure as hell don't. Same with any other device I don't freaking have. You telling us is catching "The remotest wind".. Whatever that is. I will find out though. And after all this BS, it better be true and not some prima donna BS from some bored XDA members.
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No I dont monitor them all the time but as big as this was I find it hard to believe that word did not reach you. And the problem isnt that he stopped devlopment for the rom he made, the problem is is that he tricked people into donating because they wanted BAMF on their phones and then he never delivered. Thats not even the biggest issue, thats something thay happens every day that I overlook, the worst part was when he tried to sell the goddamned device before he had put out anything. All of that combined is what had and still have a few people up in arms, while it isnt against the entire BAMF team it definitely gives bad impressions. That was wiped off the thread as soon as it was posted though, I used to have a screen shot of that but after 5 or 6 HDD wipes it is long long gone. All of that combined is what had and still have a few people up in arms against Joelz, while it isnt against the entire BAMF team it definitely gives bad impressions.
As for him promising to keep developing for it, yes he did many many times.
What I have tried to say nicely is that I find it hard to believe that a lot of hardcore BAMF lovers that donsted didnt post or email or whatever someone on your website to get some of your attention. It may nit have happened but I still find it hard to believe. If I had any experience with BAMF before I would have emailed one of you immediately but as this was my first experience I had no clue about your website until way way later.
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shangrila500 said:
No I dont monitor them all the time but as big as this was I find it hard to believe that word did not reach you. And the problem isnt that he stopped devlopment for the rom he made, the problem is is that he tricked people into donating because they wanted BAMF on their phones and then he never delivered. Thats not even the biggest issue, thats something thay happens every day that I overlook, the worst part was when he tried to sell the goddamned device before he had put out anything. All of that combined is what had and still have a few people up in arms, while it isnt against the entire BAMF team it definitely gives bad impressions. That was wiped off the thread as soon as it was posted though, I used to have a screen shot of that but after 5 or 6 HDD wipes it is long long gone. All of that combined is what had and still have a few people up in arms against Joelz, while it isnt against the entire BAMF team it definitely gives bad impressions.
As for him promising to keep developing for it, yes he did many many times.
What I have tried to say nicely is that I find it hard to believe that a lot of hardcore BAMF lovers that donsted didnt post or email or whatever someone on your website to get some of your attention. It may nit have happened but I still find it hard to believe. If I had any experience with BAMF before I would have emailed one of you immediately but as this was my first experience I had no clue about your website until way way later.
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Nobody told us anything. That's why I find the whole thing far fetched. I just read the whole other thread about all this drama. Eris told you what the deal was. He's not a liar, and is a good friend. If he says Joel intentions were good and he did what he said he would do, then I have nothing further to add to the subject. None of us give a **** enough to lie. Show us something to the contrary about the situation and we can discuss further. Already wasted enough brain cells on these threads. Thanks for that.

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So look, anyone who knows us, knows we update when we feel like it. It may take a week, it may take 4 months. Frankly, we don't care, because as Butch says, we do it for us. It's a happy bonus that we share with everyone else. Hell, Paradigm was 6 months late to the party on the Nexus, and it worked from day one there.
If you want to blame anyone for not having a ROM on the Rezound or the S3, you can blame me. I am the one that determines whether they are ready for prime time, and neither one is. Joel has worked his ass off, but hit a brick wall on a feature I deem rather important (in-call volume). That is literally the only thing that kept the S3 ROM from being released. And it's not for lack of trying, he just doesn't know C++(nor do I) well enough to fix the issues.
You don't believe he's still actively working on it? The proof is right there in front of you. His bitbucket handle is boss. You want a ROM so you can shut up about him stealing your damn donated phone? I'll build one tonight. And it will have broken in-call volume. Will that please everyone?
I mean really, Joelz is a good guy, but he's a kid. When I was his age I was trying to get drunk and laid, not build ROMs from hundreds of thousands of lines of indecipherable source code. Until you can build your own, how about everyone just stfu.

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thatdudebutch said:
Nobody told us anything. That's why I find the whole thing far fetched. I just read the whole other thread about all this drama. Eris told you what the deal was. He's not a liar, and is a good friend. If he says Joel intentions were good and he did what he said he would do, then I have nothing further to add to the subject. None of us give a **** enough to lie. Show us something to the contrary about the situation and we can discuss further. Already wasted enough brain cells on these thread. Thanks for that.
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Ah so youre locking the thread so no one else can reply? Im still looking for unedited screenshots of the conversations seeing as how all the threads are heavily editited. But you dont care you want to call people out and then lock the thread because otherwise you look as bad as Joelz for not reprimanding him.
And you dont believe it when there are 2 people that have a huge problem in the N2 thread, go post in the d2vzw thread and see what happens. You'll get the normal crazies but there are a lot of people there still burnt.
And Eris said he found it hard to believe and Joelz had offered the phone to him for development. Not saying he is lying just that he wasnt there when it happened so how can he know?
And from what I can tell from just a little looking through the threads trying to find a screenshot I see something about Butch with BAMF pulling a bait and switch on the X2, would that happen to be you?
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It looks like you editied your comment about locking the thread out. Nice
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So look, anyone who knows us, knows we update when we feel like it. It may take a week, it may take 4 months. Frankly, we don't care, because as Butch says, we do it for us. It's a happy bonus that we share with everyone else. Hell, Paradigm was 6 months late to the party on the Nexus, and it worked from day one there.
If you want to blame anyone for not having a ROM on the Rezound or the S3, you can blame me. I am the one that determines whether they are ready for prime time, and neither one is. Joel has worked his ass off, but hit a brick wall on a feature I deem rather important (in-call volume). That is literally the only thing that kept the S3 ROM from being released. And it's not for lack of trying, he just doesn't know C++(nor do I) well enough to fix the issues.
You don't believe he's still actively working on it? The proof is right there in front of you. His bitbucket handle is boss. You want a ROM so you can shut up about him stealing your damn donated phone? I'll build one tonight. And it will have broken in-call volume. Will that please everyone?
I mean really, Joelz is a good guy, but he's a kid. When I was his age I was trying to get drunk and laid, not build ROMs from hundreds of thousands of lines of indecipherable source code. Until you can build your own, how about everyone just stfu.
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Ahh yes, the infamous AOSP rom. What about the BAMF rom that he used as his ticket to getting the phone?
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There you go.. Happy now? Can we all go back to playing around with Android? Geez.

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shangrila500 said:
Ah so youre locking the thread so no one else can reply? Im still looking for unedited screenshots of the conversations seeing as how all the threads are heavily editited. But you dont care you want to call people out and then lock the thread because otherwise you look as bad as Joelz for not reprimanding him.
And you dont believe it when there are 2 people that have a huge problem in the N2 thread, go post in the d2vzw thread and see what happens. You'll get the normal crazies but there are a lot of people there still burnt.
And Eris said he found it hard to believe and Joelz had offered the phone to him for development. Not saying he is lying just that he wasnt there when it happened so how can he know?
And from what I can tell from just a little looking through the threads trying to find a screenshot I see something about Butch with BAMF pulling a bait and switch on the X2, would that happen to be you?
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Ahh yes, the infamous AOSP rom. What about the BAMF rom that he used as his ticket to getting the phone?
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BAMF Paradigm was his ticket to the phone. Which is AOSP.
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thatdudebutch said:
There you go.. Happy now? Can we all go back to playing around with Android? Geez.
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Don't worry, im done talking to you. I was looking for proof until I came across that little tidbit about you on the X2, now I know no matter how much proof we show you you still wont do anything. I am not going to waste my breath or my time on you or your team anymore, no matter what happens you wont so anything. I have better things to do with my time than trying to prove something to a person that obviously doesn't give a ****.
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BAMF Paradigm was his ticket to the phone. Which is AOSP.
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Forgive me, seeing as how it is not BAMF Paradigm that has been posted but pure AOSP. From what o understand Paradigm has a few of BAMFs tweak and mods in it and what Joelz put out to begin with was nothing but AOSP without BAMFs tweaks.
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shangrila500 said:
Don't worry, im done talking to you. I was looking for proof until I came across that little tidbit about you on the X2, now I know no matter how much proof we show you you still wont do anything. I am not going to waste my breath or my time on you or your team anymore, no matter what happens you wont so anything. I have better things to do with my time than trying to prove something to a person that obviously doesn't give a ****.
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LOL. What because I decided blur was a horrible idea to mod, so by a show of hands we decided to contribute the device to CM so they could at least get those guys an AOSP ROM? You decide to "give up" on talking about it once Eris shows you proof. And to think I wasted time trying to understand your "problem." The problem is you. Don't worry, take your self serving holier than though attitude over to Rootzwiki with all the other cool teenagers. While you are at it put on your unicorn shirt, talk more ****, and contribute nothing to anything, which is apparent by a quick check of your profile.
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You've been here three years and never once CONTRIBUTED. Every thread is you asking for something. Locking this garbage thread now, since everything you touch seems to smell like ****. Have a good weekend.