Eliminating lags in games

Eliminating lags in games - HTC One X+

Hello,
I have tested the app from the playstore "Tegra Overclock" (the app needs root!!!) with my HOX+ and I'm very impressed.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tegraoverclock&hl=de
The micro lags, especially in 2D games, comes from the GPU.
The GPU is locked to the clock of the CPU.
When the CPU has a lower clock, the GPU also has it and that is the reason for the lags.
I tested it with the game "Rayman" and I could eliminate 95% of the lags.
The only thing what i have done is to set the GPU clock with the app in 3D to 520MHZ and in 2D (to the half) to 260 MHZ, so they aren't locked to the CPU clock anymore.
I want to share and to discuss the experiences with the HOX+ between the users with this app to share and to find out the best settings.
Does some one has other configs which are more battery friendly (and are also eliminating lags) ?
I think, that the micro lags in games like Rayman and TempleRun2 and so on are a big disadvantage of the HOX+ and the app helps us in an easy way and without a custom kernel or custom rom to eliminate micro lags.

Which tegra overclock? Could you provide a links?
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sixcarnage said:
Which tegra overclock? Could you provide a links?
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I mean this one:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tegraoverclock&hl=de

marck1991 said:
Hello,
I have tested the app from the playstore "Tegra Overclock" (the app needs root!!!) with my HOX+ and I'm very impressed.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tegraoverclock&hl=de
The micro lags, especially in 2D games, comes from the GPU.
The GPU is locked to the clock of the CPU.
When the CPU has a lower clock, the GPU also has it and that is the reason for the lags.
I tested it with the game "Rayman" and I could eliminate 95% of the lags.
The only thing what i have done is to set the GPU clock with the app in 3D to 520MHZ and in 2D (to the half) to 260 MHZ, so they aren't locked to the CPU clock anymore.
I want to share and to discuss the experiences with the HOX+ between the users with this app to share and to find out the best settings.
Does some one has other configs which are more battery friendly (and are also eliminating lags) ?
I think, that the micro lags in games like Rayman and TempleRun2 and so on are a big disadvantage of the HOX+ and the app helps us in an easy way and without a custom kernel or custom rom to eliminate micro lags.
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Those settings seem to be working.... Great find
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marck1991 said:
The micro lags, especially in 2D games, comes from the GPU.
The GPU is locked to the clock of the CPU.
When the CPU has a lower clock, the GPU also has it and that is the reason for the lags.
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if you dont have "force GPU rendering" enabled this isnt the case for 2D

marck1991 said:
I mean this one:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tegraoverclock&hl=de
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What is the best settings for gaming and some battery with this app? Doesn't seem to work for cpu clock. I set max and tegra cap both at 17 and min at 10, hit apply and also check apply on boot. Close the app and open it again and the min and max are both at 17, obviously doesn't save the settings. This is what I've noticed so far with this paid app. I play sushi chop and it runs flawless, zero lag now. Never really lagged before but sometimes choppy, not anymore. I have you settings at gaming normal think its like 328mhz and have 2d settings the same. This setting seems to stick after closing the app and also on boot. I have master boot checked so these should all take effect on boot.
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I only made the settings i described and my battery consumption seems to be good when i want to save battery, i tick the HTC stock energy save mode to max the CPU to 1,3 ghz.
I think that the CPU settings are saved, you will notice it when you try 1,5ghz as max for example.
Only the values in the choose-box doesn't show the actual settings...
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Maybe some devs with more experiences and knowledge can find out better/best settings for us, because real racing 3 runs on my device with around 15-20fps...maybe we'll get some advice from the pros
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deeznuts said:
What is the best settings for gaming and some battery with this app? Doesn't seem to work for cpu clock. I set max and tegra cap both at 17 and min at 10, hit apply and also check apply on boot. Close the app and open it again and the min and max are both at 17, obviously doesn't save the settings. This is what I've noticed so far with this paid app. I play sushi chop and it runs flawless, zero lag now. Never really lagged before but sometimes choppy, not anymore. I have you settings at gaming normal think its like 328mhz and have 2d settings the same. This setting seems to stick after closing the app and also on boot. I have master boot checked so these should all take effect on boot.
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You are probably using ondemand governor! if you wish that settings applied by you remain same then choose interactive or conservative. The problem is not of our app but its due to crippled ondemand governor that takes its own decisions.

Kingshoo said:
You are probably using ondemand governor! if you wish that settings applied by you remain same then choose interactive or conservative. The problem is not of our app but its due to crippled ondemand governor that takes its own decisions.
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You're right, I have on demand. I understand the app description in the market place says its newb proof but guess not as I don't even know what on demand, interactive, conservative, etc mean to the end user. I hit legend on each page to learn but on some pages such as this one in the app it can be very vague at best at explaining the options. Guess ill try interactive even though I have no idea the difference between that and conservative.
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deeznuts said:
You're right, I have on demand. I understand the app description in the market place says its newb proof but guess not as I don't even know what on demand, interactive, conservative, etc mean to the end user. I hit legend on each page to learn but on some pages such as this one in the app it can be very vague at best at explaining the options. Guess ill try interactive even though I have no idea the difference between that and conservative.
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Guess you are right, never thought actually a person who can root necessarily know these terms. We will surely add some Real world examples to make it simpler to understand :angel:
We will add some homebrewed profiles based on user feedbacks to help new users who knows less in this regards.
For now its best explained as :
Consider your phone Cpu as a hotel and a governor is kind of its manager, obviously if you choose wrong person to manage then you loose earnings. In smartphone regards choosing wrong governor can lead to unbalanced performance/battery(as its equally valuable to money here!).
Now we don't wish to drag you in every governor details for now, just cut the talk and check if changing governors solve your problem and as a piece of advice DO NOT CHOOSE OTHER THAN Interactive, conservative, ondemand.

Kingshoo said:
Guess you are right, never thought actually a person who can root necessarily know these terms. We will surely add some Real world examples to make it simpler to understand :angel:
We will add some homebrewed profiles based on user feedbacks to help new users who knows less in this regards.
For now its best explained as :
Consider your phone Cpu as a hotel and a governor is kind of its manager, obviously if you choose wrong person to manage then you loose earnings. In smartphone regards choosing wrong governor can lead to unbalanced performance/battery(as its equally valuable to money here!).
Now we don't wish to drag you in every governor details for now, just cut the talk and check if changing governors solve your problem and as a piece of advice DO NOT CHOOSE OTHER THAN Interactive, conservative, ondemand.
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This is good for now, thank you for this. Trying interactive and seems to be working just fine and battery seems to he ok as well.
Rooting now a days or at least this device is amazingly simple as the devs here have made it for us. Literally point and click a few times and ur rooted, lol! Very easy.
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marck1991 said:
Maybe some devs with more experiences and knowledge can find out better/best settings for us, because real racing 3 runs on my device with around 15-20fps...maybe we'll get some advice from the pros
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how to display the fps?
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maxwen said:
how to display the fps?
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Sry, this was only my feeling and not any displayed fps...
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maxwen said:
how to display the fps?
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I set the FPS to the highest the app says which is 60fps. I then ran the citadel benchmark app and got the worst FPS rating ever which was like 42 so not sure
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deeznuts said:
I set the FPS to the highest the app says which is 60fps. I then ran the citadel benchmark app and got the worst FPS rating ever which was like 42 so not sure
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Update
Just ran Epic Citadal benchmark again on battery save mode using lateset elegancia colored Rom and after using this app and now getting worse ever FPS benchmark of 36! WTF?
I've attached photos of the only changes I've made using this app. I again set min cpu to 96000 while on battery save mode but again as u can see it never saves the settings or at least doesn't display the setting is saved as seeing above in the picture below, has all settings at 1.3ghz and using interactive as instructed and of course hit apply.
What boggles my mind though is I'm noticing games actually working better where they use to be choppy on battery save mode, now not choppy.
Just to use as reference before using this app. Using the Rom I stated I would on average on battery save mode get a benchmark of 47-48fps. Without battery save I would get on average 52-54fps. Now my fps on battery save is around 36 and without battery save is around 41.
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deeznuts said:
Update
Just ran Epic Citadal benchmark again on battery save mode using lateset elegancia colored Rom and after using this app and now getting worse ever FPS benchmark of 36! WTF?
I've attached photos of the only changes I've made using this app. I again set min cpu to 96000 while on battery save mode but again as u can see it never saves the settings or at least doesn't display the setting is saved as seeing above in the picture below, has all settings at 1.3ghz and using interactive as instructed and of course hit apply.
What boggles my mind though is I'm noticing games actually working better where they use to be choppy on battery save mode, now not choppy.
Just to use as reference before using this app. Using the Rom I stated I would on average on battery save mode get a benchmark of 47-48fps. Without battery save I would get on average 52-54fps. Now my fps on battery save is around 36 and without battery save is around 41.
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First try to solve the frequencies not sticking with conservative governor now... Second Go to FPS section and enter value 0 and hit apply twice after that reboot(normal reboot not the quick one)! this will reset any settings you made, as your benchmarks shows you are limiting FPS. Now check again and please report. Also you get reduced choppyness because you are still getting FPS in range 30-40 in games.
There is one secret : When you are playing game and getting 50-60 FPS and suddenly a complex scene arrives and lower this to nearly 30FPS this although is above 30 FPS but our eyes can notice the difference (The transistion from say 60 to 35) and hence we feel like something is lagging. When you set the FPS to 45 then this transitions results in lags that are difficult to notice

Kingshoo said:
First try to solve the frequencies not sticking with conservative governor now... Second Go to FPS section and enter value 0 and hit apply twice after that reboot(normal reboot not the quick one)! this will reset any settings you made, as your benchmarks shows you are limiting FPS. Now check again and please report. Also you get reduced choppyness because you are still getting FPS in range 30-40 in games.
There is one secret : When you are playing game and getting 50-60 FPS and suddenly a complex scene arrives and lower this to nearly 30FPS this although is above 30 FPS but our eyes can notice the difference (The transistion from say 60 to 35) and hence we feel like something is lagging. When you set the FPS to 45 then this transitions results in lags that are difficult to notice
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Ok a little better now. So are you saying that interactive governor is not sticking my frequencies? This is what i had and the app shows different frequencies than what I set when I back out of the cpu option and go back in like I did nothing.
Well I changed governor now to conservative (frequencies still don't stick when u back out of cpu option and go back in) and I changed fps to 0 and apply twice and full reset as instructed.
Good news is that now epic Citadal benchmark brought my fps on battery save mode to 46.8 which is basically what it was before installing ur app so I guess all in all no real change in this regard unless I'm missing something? Thought the whole reason of fps setting is to have constant 60fps if set to this, not fluctuating?
Thank you and really appreciate your help in this. This is all new to me. just trying to take full advantage of this device mainly for gaming as I like to game a lot.
Basically why I bought this device as it was falsely advertised at the time of its release as one of the best gaming devices on the market for mobile. Guess the fine print never said that is not the case for gameloft games (or really any game that isn't tegra optimized which is only a handful at best) and that u can only game for 20min intervals before the battery goes down by 35% and feels like its going to explode from heat! Lol
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deeznuts said:
Ok a little better now. So are you saying that interactive governor is not sticking my frequencies? This is what i had and the app shows different frequencies than what I set when I back out of the cpu option and go back in like I did nothing.
Well I changed governor now to conservative (frequencies still don't stick when u back out of cpu option and go back in) and I changed fps to 0 and apply twice and full reset as instructed.
Good news is that now epic Citadal benchmark brought my fps on battery save mode to 46.8 which is basically what it was before installing ur app so I guess all in all no real change in this regard unless I'm missing something? Thought the whole reason of fps setting is to have constant 60fps if set to this, not fluctuating?
Thank you and really appreciate your help in this. This is all new to me. just trying to take full advantage of this device mainly for gaming as I like to game a lot.
Basically why I bought this device as it was falsely advertised at the time of its release as one of the best gaming devices on the market for mobile. Guess the fine print never said that is not the case for gameloft games (or really any game that isn't tegra optimized which is only a handful at best) and that u can only game for 20min intervals before the battery goes down by 35% and feels like its going to explode from heat! Lol
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Understood. Many people who purchased a phone/tab having Tegra 3 wished to play games.
First we would like to make it very clear that the frequency save problem is not a bug of our app but for some reasons the settings never stick. And it do not require you to have min and max the same! You will lose the battery very quickly..
Second thing is that FPS section is for limiting FPS in everything. For example if you are getting 46 FPS in benchmark then if you limit FPS to 40 then you will get max 40! But reverse is not true as you wished. FPS (Frames Per Second) is dependent on harware capability + Software complexity. A powerful hardware + least complex software produces higher FPS and reverse produces lower FPS.
At the time Tegra 3 was really powerful as no other company had a quad core device + a good GPU. The problem is competing phones were running at 960*540 resolution and Tegra has to run games on 1280*720 Resolution! The math is if you increase the overall pixels the you inturn increase the load too. But all tegra devices comes with this 1280*720 or higher resolution and there it has to work harder and hence the battery is lesser than other competing companies! The other bad thing with Tegra 3 was 40nm Fab technology (won't bore you with this stuff but the less this number is the better) and it was a quad core+ it was using an older architecture while the competitors launched their products later on with better architecture and 28nm Fab and hence thats the end of the Tegra Story
Battery can be preserved friend if you choose the frequencies and brightness of device smartly. lets say when you are pleased with 40% brightness then why go 100% and if you can run games smoothly at 1Ghz then why 1.7Ghz?
yokozuna82 said:
The frequencies stick only if you put both the min and max at the same frequency as specified in the legend
*For example see pic*
The frequency when set at 1.7ghz max and min will still fluctuate between 500mhz and 1.7ghz according to the needs of the phone
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Just apply max and tegra cap at 1.7 if that is your wish and minimum frequency to 51(lowest) the system may show it 500 or so but at times it will get set too.

Related

To those that are overclocking

You should share what speed and voltages you are running at, I figured it would be helpful to give other people ideas of where to begin trying their voltages at for undervolting purposes. So, what's your lowest voltages at the highest clock speeds?

I'm using SetCPU's standard voltages. 1.8/.38 normal, .87/.38 screen off and over 130F, 1.2/.38 battery less than 50%, 1.8/1.2 plugged in. Getting 4-5 more hours per charge!
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Here's the values I've currently got in my Permatemp Root .bat file (thanks Eugene!): scpll_l_val=24 vdd_uv=1060000
That gives me 1.296 ghz at 1.06 volts. I know 1.3 ghz isn't much of an overclock, but this phone is already so fast (especially compared to my old Hero, lol) that I'm not really craving any more speed ... what I'm most interested in is undervolting for max battery life. From what I've read the stock voltage at 1.2 ghz is 1.18 volts, so I'm a little under that right now. I tried 1.00 and 1.03 volts and got reboots every time, but 1.06 volts runs rock-solid reliable for me at 1.3 ghz.

is that really even noticable? the LCD draw most of the power typically

oldjackbob said:
Here's the values I've currently got in my Permatemp Root .bat file (thanks Eugene!): scpll_l_val=24 vdd_uv=1060000
That gives me 1.296 ghz at 1.06 volts. I know 1.3 ghz isn't much of an overclock, but this phone is already so fast (especially compared to my old Hero, lol) that I'm not really craving any more speed ... what I'm most interested in is undervolting for max battery life. From what I've read the stock voltage at 1.2 ghz is 1.18 volts, so I'm a little under that right now. I tried 1.00 and 1.03 volts and got reboots every time, but 1.06 volts runs rock-solid reliable for me at 1.3 ghz.
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Someone in the OC topic was asking about UV at stock speeds. You're close enough to stock that you should qualify. You should go post your results in that thread too. They'd be happy to see them.
I'm running @ 1.78GHz with a vdd of 1300000. I'm going to try and go lower... maybe 12800000.

I have it overclock to 1728mhz but dint know where to adjust the voltage. Does setcpu does this or i need a different program to read voltage/change voltage?
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eduardmc said:
I have it overclock to 1728mhz but dint know where to adjust the voltage. Does setcpu does this or i need a different program to read voltage/change voltage?
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You adjust the voltage when you type the ADB command to OC. If you're using a script that does it for you, you will need to edit that script and look for the vdd_uv= line.

bitslizer said:
is that really even noticable? the LCD draw most of the power typically
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What do you mean by "is that really even noticable"? It's certainly calculatable ... it's an 11.3 percent improvement in battery usage by the CPU. If you're saying that's not very much, well, it's all relative. If you're saying you're not interested in saving a little battery when it won't cost you anything to do so, that's fine with me. If you're saying that no power-saving effort is worth any consideration because the LCD is the biggest power draw of all and that's the only one that matters, then why did Qualcomm bother to develop asynchronous cores and low-power audio modules and low-power GPS modules? I mean, hey, the screen is all that matters, right?
Or did I misread your statement?
Edit: Sorry for coming across as so argumentative, I just don't understand why you're taking the position you are.

oldjackbob said:
What do you mean by "is that really even noticable"? It's certainly calculatable ... it's an 11.3 percent improvement in battery usage by the CPU. If you're saying that's not very much, well, it's all relative. If you're saying you're not interested in saving a little battery when it won't cost you anything to do so, that's fine with me. If you're saying that no power-saving effort is worth any consideration because the LCD is the biggest power draw of all and that's the only one that matters, then why did Qualcomm bother to develop asynchronous cores and low-power audio modules and low-power GPS modules? I mean, hey, the screen is all that matters, right?
Or did I misread your statement?
Edit: Sorry for coming across as so argumentative, I just don't understand why you're taking the position you are.
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+1! Would have thanked you, except I'm at my limit.

I'm at 35 @1450000. I know I can go lower, but if I overclock, I want stability not battery life
On another note: I can't wait until we have source, custom kernels, and I finish up the viperMOD app to get support for the E3D. Will be one awesome beast undervolted!

I'm at 1.56ghz and 120000 voltage.
Runs stable, get a nice speed boost without killing my battery. Am going to try a lower voltage. I've read the could will default to stock speed if you go too low though. Guess I'll find out.
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felacio said:
I'm at 1.56ghz and 120000 voltage.
Runs stable, get a nice speed boost without killing my battery. Am going to try a lower voltage. I've read the could will default to stock speed if you go too low though. Guess I'll find out.
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No, if your voltage is too low, your phone will freeze or instanly reboot on you.

-viperboy- said:
No, if your voltage is too low, your phone will freeze or instanly reboot on you.
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Well. I can handle that. Lol. Guess I'm going lower! Wish me luck!
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I am currently testing scpll_l_val=22 vdd_uv=1010000 for undervolting purposes, 1000000 caused a reboot, 1010000 has been holding up well under stress tests..

If one of you guys who are overclocking could test this video clip and either diceplayer or the diceplayer free trial in the market - I would appreciate it:
http://www.movie-list.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27232
Supposedly - the Samsung Galaxy S2 can play 1080P + AC3 MKV's smoothly. But the Evo3D and Sensation lag a bit according to the developer. I tested this file with my evo3D and it looked like my Evo3D stuttered every 3 seconds or so. I'm just wondering if an overclock would smooth out playback - but I haven't installed temproot.

For those of you overclocking just for battery savings, I am currently testing
adb shell insmod /data/local/tmp/8x60_oc.ko scpll_l_val=22 vdd_uv=1003100 and have been stable so far, this is the absolute lowest I can push it at 1.2Ghz on my phone, can anyone else match this or go lower? I think it will be helpful to start establishing these values now so kernel makers will have some ideas of how far they can push our phones.

P0ll0L0c0 said:
If one of you guys who are overclocking could test this video clip and either diceplayer or the diceplayer free trial in the market - I would appreciate it:
http://www.movie-list.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27232
Supposedly - the Samsung Galaxy S2 can play 1080P + AC3 MKV's smoothly. But the Evo3D and Sensation lag a bit according to the developer. I tested this file with my evo3D and it looked like my Evo3D stuttered every 3 seconds or so. I'm just wondering if an overclock would smooth out playback - but I haven't installed temproot.
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Speed = 1.5GHz.
The default gallery player plays it perfectly, but there's no sound.
RockPlayer plays it very choppily, but has sound.
Dice player plays somewhat smoothly and has sound, but there are lag moments every 3-6 seconds as you said.
It's a software issue.

PaulB007 said:
For those of you overclocking just for battery savings, I am currently testing
adb shell insmod /data/local/tmp/8x60_oc.ko scpll_l_val=22 vdd_uv=1003100 and have been stable so far, this is the absolute lowest I can push it at 1.2Ghz on my phone, can anyone else match this or go lower? I think it will be helpful to start establishing these values now so kernel makers will have some ideas of how far they can push our phones.
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Right noe I'm sitting at 29 (1.56ghz) with a UV of 1170000. Tried 1150000 but phone immediately restarted. And 1160000 restarted after a while. This seems stable so far. Haven't totally stressed it yet though.
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nabbed said:
Speed = 1.5GHz.
The default gallery player plays it perfectly, but there's no sound.
RockPlayer plays it very choppily, but has sound.
Dice player plays somewhat smoothly and has sound, but there are lag moments every 3-6 seconds as you said.
It's a software issue.
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Thanks for the check! I was wondering if there would still be lag with an overclock - that's disappointing. Supposedly the SGS2 handles files like it with no problem.

OC Script
Here is a batch file I created to make it easier to OC. Basically just the Rooting script with a menu to select the speed with delays built in.
Rename from oc.txt to oc.bat if you wish to run the file.
You will most likely need to change the voltages to match your phone. My phone has been very OC friendly.
Currently running 1188mhz @ .97 Volts with no issues. I have been able to OC up to 1890mhz @ 1.32 volts.
Have not tried to go lower on the voltage at 1188mhz yet...
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EVO 3D better dual core HTC device than the Sensation?

After reading the various issues about the Sensation & I know I may be silly asking this on the EVO 3D section of the forum, but price aside, is the EVO 3D a better device overall than the Sensation?

Of course it is!

Super Chimp said:
After reading the various issues about the Sensation & I know I may be silly asking this on the EVO 3D section of the forum, but price aside, is the EVO 3D a better device overall than the Sensation?
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well they say because the EVO has more on board RAM that SENSE itself runs much smoother....i love this device man....why the question?....are ya thinking about jumpin on board?....if so, its a great choice....the sensation is a great device too tho....i used it the other day and it feels pretty damn good

In terms of power? Yes. Visually, I think the Sensation is sleeker.

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In terms of power? Yes. Visually, I think the Sensation is sleeker.
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Agreed..i think they are pretty close..its odd bc i was reading some anandtech reviews and the sensation scored higher in almost every benchmark..its odd with them having almost identical hardware..also the sensation screen is brighter. I do like the aluminum on the phone as well..I love my e3d but if the sensation had the gb of RAM I'd prefer it ..I don't use 3d much and I'd rather have the better optics ..although I've taken some nice photos

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Agreed..i think they are pretty close..its odd bc i was reading some anandtech reviews and the sensation scored higher in almost every benchmark..its odd with them having almost identical hardware..also the sensation screen is brighter. I do like the aluminum on the phone as well..I love my e3d but if the sensation had the gb of RAM I'd prefer it ..I don't use 3d much and I'd rather have the better optics ..although I've taken some nice photos
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What's odd is people still trust benchmarks....
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Benchmarks play some part in my opinion.

I own a 3D and girlfriend a Sensation, My phone is smoother, hers is a bit cooler looking. I'm betting the Sensations bit of lag will be fixed with this 2.3.4 update rolling out. A little more RAM on the Evo helps and you have the option of using 3D even though you may not or just rarely.

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What's odd is people still trust benchmarks....
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Ditto.
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novanosis85 said:
What's odd is people still trust benchmarks....
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I don't.make decisions based on benchmarks..but if they meant nothing why doesn't the hero out score the Droid 3 ? I understand what you are saying but I'm not talking about quadrant here..I'm talking a barrage of benchmarks used by reviewers that i trust and respect..right now it seems like the sensation is the favorite android of anandtech ..although they still haven't reviewed the e3d..I figure they will like it as well..

3d benchmarks are lower due to screen....
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3d benchmarks are lower due to screen....
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What are you talking about? They run the same resolution.
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3d benchmarks are lower due to screen....
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What about the screen/ ? They are both qhd 4.3 "

I am curious if any of you guys are having the same problems with your kernels that I have been finding with kernels for the Sensation. Faux123 has been looking into it as I brought it up but here are a few issues.
If you look HERE! you can see the issues we are dealing with.
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So I installed your latest kernel on Senseless 1.3
Settings: MIN and MAX set to 1512Mhz with Performance gov
When running CF-Bench and letting it run I ran the following commands in an ADB Shell.
Code:
#cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/[COLOR="Red"][B]cpu0[/B][/COLOR]/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq
1512000
#cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/[COLOR="Red"][B]cpu1[/B][/COLOR]/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq
972000
#cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/[COLOR="Red"][B]cpu1[/B][/COLOR]/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq
384000
#cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/[COLOR="Red"][B]cpu0[/B][/COLOR]/cpufreq/scaling_governor
performance
#cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/[COLOR="Red"][B]cpu1[/B][/COLOR]/cpufreq/scaling_governor
ondemand
Also you have to run a test that will stress both cores, because CPU1 doesn't show available unless under load, so benches like Quadrant don't even stress the second CPU
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The issue is that MSM8260 is not the same style Symmetric CPU that Tegra and SGSII use, instead the MSM8260 is a asymmetric multiprocessing unit. if you watch the CPU1 cur freq during benchmarking you will see that it will never hit the maximum speed of 1512Mhz
During linpack the score for multi-threaded goes up but it does not go in line with what should be possible at the proper speeds.
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I have been testing this multiple times, I am not a developer nor do I claim to be. But I can tell you I know hardware, and I research the issues, and this issue is related to any kernel at the moment by ANY dev.
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Quote from Fuax123 after he looked into the issue.
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Ok, you are correct. I finally got my lazy ass off the chair and downloaded available snapdragon documentations online (I Hate qualcomm for making it so difficult to find any technical information regarding their chipsets). This is a quote from the document: "The 8x60 incorporates an asynchronous dual CPU core SMP (aSMP) micro-architecture"
I hate Qualcomm for trying to say their chipset is better than > SMP chipset yet they still use the acronym aSMP to confuse people What da heck is "asynchronous dual CPU core SMP", this is the absolute WORST BS marketing term....
Anyways, I am still blaming the OC apps (SetCPU, CPUMaster, OC Daemon etc) for not correctly set the CPU scaling properties for the 2nd CPU. Maybe all the authors for these apps were as confused as me by STUPID Qualcomm marketing terms and thought they were dealing with SMP but in fact, they were dealing with 2 separate independent CPUs on a single die. One can simply do:
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echo smartass > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_governor
to set the cpu1's scaling governor to the same governor as CPU0 so both cpus can operate using "similar" governors for better "synchronous" operations.
Maybe you should contact the authors for the OC apps and have them fix their apps I am not sure what needs to be fixed on the kernel side...
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So I tried this, you are unable to modify or create this file while CPU1 is asleep. Our problem is that the way the SoC is that no matter if you do it manually or with any overclock software, it will not affect CPU1 speeds.
We need to find a way for CPU1 to stay awake, or else we will just have a single fast core and a second core at default speeds..
I tried creating the files needed to set the CPU1 speed directly and it deleted them after the CPU went asleep.
Code:
while at idle on homescreen:
cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/online = 1
cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online = 0
underload on CF-Bench:
cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/online = 1
cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online = 1
after bench is over back on homescreen:
cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/online = 1
cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online = 0
While the benchmark was running I was able to change the profile for the governor but was unable to manually overclock the CPU and even running any of the apps while the CPU1 was online still failed to set a speed.
I think it may be in fault to the software as well as HTC kernel drivers as well.
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I just read through kernel SMP and CPU Hot plugging. It seemed there might be a bug in CPU hot plugging for SMP operations (esp for such strange beast as the new aSMP snapdragons). Hot plugging support was originally designed as a fail safe for removing failed CPUs in a CPU farm, but recently, it has been used in SMP systems where they used the hot plugging capability to actively add/remove CPUs as means of power saving by talking an idling CPU "off line". According to Linux kernel documentation, the use of this feature for SMP power management was never intended and it is an on going experimental feature.
I briefly looked at the kernel cpufreq driver and saw nothing obvious. One way of resolving the cpu1's randomness with governors and scaling frequencies is to DISABLE the hot plug feature and just have cpu1 running at all times (idling is considered running) rather than declare cpu1 to be offline completely. The bug seemed to be when restoring the cpu1 back online, the governor and scaling frequencies are NOT restored properly (but from the kernel code, it looks fine the way the code was written. The kernel driver tried to restore the governor and frequencies from a saved data structure).
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If some of you guys on the EVO 3D can try running a few of these test while benching and report back so we can see, since the EVO3D is running the same basic SoC as the Sensation just with a CDMA radio instead.

I take back that statement, also the sensation had software updates so that could play a role aswell depending on when test where taken
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What prompted me to ask was the slightly ambivalent review of the EVO 3D on GSMArena.

Could it have anything to so with the 3d capabilities? It could be just me, but the more stripped down your phone is, the better it seems to do in benchmarks. Perhaps the extra space in the ROM, perhaps more running services? I don't really know anything, just thinkin aloud here.

Anyone able to comment on this issue?

Not to hijack the thread, but since oc apps are mentioned, what's the best one for out 3d's? Im currently using set CPU.

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Could it have anything to so with the 3s capabilities? It could be just me, but the more stripped down your phone is, the better it seems to do in benchmarks. Perhaps the extra space in the ROM, perhaps more running services? I don't really know anything, just thinkin aloud here.
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I would think this also.

at&t note runs on one processor?!

Ok so im rooted and overclocked and was using setcpu then decided i wanna try something different so i tried system tuner! When i checked the cpu it said that one of the processors are off line! Then i pressed the info button and sure enough it says only reading one! So i went through the settings and found force both cores online!
Since then i have no lag and virtually no checkerboarding on the web! Anyway i was just wondering if im the only one who noticed this and maybe it could help those who say that they are still getting lag on they're roms using dag's kernel!
Also i hope devs will notice this thread since i can't post there yet and take advantage of this how ever they can!

Now don't quote me on this but most likely the second core only turns on for processor intensive activities such as high graphics games or multiple programs running at once. I do find it hard to believe that it would be totally disabled. Most likely this is done to conserve battery.

blitzer320 said:
Now don't quote me on this but most likely the second core only turns on for processor intensive activities such as high graphics games or multiple programs running at once. I do find it hard to believe that it would be totally disabled. Most likely this is done to conserve battery.
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Nope i checked that i had 10 apps open two were games (dead space and gta III) One cpu online even on performance! I see 50 views i hope others chime in and let us know what you are thinking
Btw they Did this i heard to the galaxy nexus with the tiomap 1.2 so we'll see what others find

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Nope i checked that i had 10 apps open two were games (dead space and gta III) One cpu online even on performance! I see 50 views i hope others chime in and let us know what you are thinking
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Okay if this really is the case I could also see at&t disabling the second core totally to save battery because of lte but i guess it will take a dev that has more experience with how qualcomm's multicore cpus work in android. report back with differences in battery life like how much faster does it drain now that both cores are forced on.

if you want both cores on click on boot settings and enable force all cpus online. that heats up your phone and eats more battery though+I do not see any benefits doing that.

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Okay if this really is the case I could also see at&t disabling the second core totally to save battery because of lte but i guess it will take a dev that has more experience with how qualcomm's multicore cpus work in android. report back with differences in battery life like how much faster does it drain now that both cores are forced on.
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I've had it like this for 4 days on average i will take of the charger at 8am now is 8:30pm and i have 27% but i use my navigation for my Job! By 10:30 or so ill have 15% and recharge!
Settings
1836 max
192 min
Governer
Smartassv2
Both cores pushing
Screen off
192 max
In call
384 max
Tomorrow ill post some pics of battery life usage!
And my phone doesn't get any hotter than normal not even while using my navi! Mostly it just gives no lag and better rendering in the browser/maps/etc!!

I was under the impression that Gingerbread didn't fully utilize multiple cores. Need HC or ICS...

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I was under the impression that Gingerbread didn't fully utilize multiple cores. Need HC or ICS...
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Same, but having a better processor helps. Like exynos. I bet once we update to ics if it ever happens, the differences will be only minor between processors, as it runs so nice.

Got system tuner pro, and it shows speed bars on both cpus running? I didn't change a thing?

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Got system tuner pro, and it shows speed bars on both cpus running? I didn't change a thing?
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Really? I switched Roms twice today and had to reset that each time! Cpu.0 online Cpu.1 offline! Like i said am i the only one? Lets hear from more people and let us know of any lag or rendering changes after turning on both cpu's! Battery too, i'll post mine tomorrow.

I thought I'd play and I have CPU0 running and CPU1 running.

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Btw they Did this i heard to the galaxy nexus with the tiomap 1.2 so we'll see what others find
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Not entirely true.. the Galaxy Nexus has a kernel governor that turns one core off when the SCREEN IS OFF, but not when the phone is being used. Multiple kernel creators have since implemented this into their kernels. It is called "hot plugging" and it just turns CPU 1 offline when the screen is off and turns it back on when the screen is on
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Just checked mine, rooted and OC with DaG's 0.1 version (first version). When I looked, it said the second CPU was offline. Changed it to online, we'll see how that impacts battery life.
How much of an advantage is smartassv2 anyway?

I just tried this with system tuner and both cpus were working but wone was of and on and zero was always on.
I am running stock rooted. If you just sit yhere and watch it you will see tje sevond core fires and shuts down alot.

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Really? I switched Roms twice today and had to reset that each time! Cpu.0 online Cpu.1 offline! Like i said am i the only one? Lets hear from more people and let us know of any lag or rendering changes after turning on both cpu's! Battery too, i'll post mine tomorrow.
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Same for me (CPU 0 on, CPU1 off, most times) and I'll say I have noticed no real changes in functionality (speed, rendering, etc) or battery life...
I guess jury is still out or is this a YMMV kind of thing?

I installed system runner and watched the cpus. One was on and the other kicked in periodically

Mine said it was offline as well. Forced it on and am not noticing any difference in speed or temp.
Ill leave it like this to test it further.
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Do you have to be rooted to force both cores on?
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Do you have to be rooted to force both cores on?
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As far as I know yes you must have super user permission to alter such system activities

I don't know why everyone is in such a rush to force the second core online, it turns on and off when it needs to.

my cpu is fail?? cpuset cant pass the 1600mhz...

htc one x+ stock 4.1.1 - 1.16.401.6
rooted
after all my lags ... tryd as u recommended to use cpu set and put my device on maximum cpu to try gaming...
the game play better in 20% but still have some lags (dead trigger)
and my cpu cant push to 1700mhz...
i did min 1700 and max 1700 on max proff... and cpu clock stick to 1600mhz...
maby i got failuer on cpu??
i did notice before that my battry draind very fast....
and battry and camera area get overheat very fast in games... !!overheat!!!! means that u almost cant move ur hands on the tuch cuz its make them stikky
and if i go to stteings>developer options >show cpu usege... i can see only 3 cores working and not 4.. as i shueld see...
(battrey save is off)
why im allwas stuck with the failur products ]=
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lol. You have me a nice little laugh.
DON'T put your phone at min 1700MHz. You will basically fry out the phone.
Also, why would you be going passed 1700MHz? The phone has a 1.7GHz processor. 1.7GHz = 1700MHz.
IF you want to go passed 1700MHz, you have to wait for a custom kernel that supports overclocking. Until then, you will not go passed the factory speed of 1700MHz.
MAKE SURE TO SET THE MIN BACK TO IT WAS!!! anything over 434 is practically useless. It'll just drain your battery, overheat the phone and fry your phone out, especially when min and max is at 1700MHz!
Oh yeah. If you use SetCPU, you have to choose "Set on Boot". But make sure you give it the right settings or your phone will bootloop.

the point is that i dont try to pass the 1700... but i cant reach him..... cant pass the 1600.... im not try to oc it...
its gets overheat with or without the cpuset ... and was like this from the moment i did unbox the phone...same as for the lags... (eaven in homescreen)
the battrey drain out eaven on low usege games... games that i did play on my iphone 3gs for 4-5 houers in and still had 30% left now drain my battry in 2-3 houers...
so much issues with stock normal phone somthing maby worng here dont u think?
and i bet for the hadware ... and not the software

for gaming first try the geming boost app (use search and you'll find it) this should fix most of your problems.
and further: don't set your CPU at constant maximum, this will eat your battery for breakfast.
keep the min/max values stock and if you still have lags in gaming you could try other governors with this app. but as i said... first try the gaming boost app, that really should do the trick

So you are saying your phone wont run at 1600mhz. How are you testing this? please explain in detail what software you are using and what test etc. I agree with the gaming booster app for gaming issue but it seems you are having greater issues. a 1700mhz phone should run at 1600mhz. We'll help you figure it out just need a little more info.

So you are saying your phone wont run at 1600mhz. How are you testing this? please explain in detail what software you are using and what test etc. I agree with the gaming booster app for gaming issue but it seems you are having greater issues. a 1700mhz phone should run at 1600mhz. We'll help you figure it out just need a little more info.
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tested using cpuset... if i try to push it to 1700 he dosnt pass the 1600mhz just capped there....
100mhz diffrent is huge!!! not beacuse of the numbers... just beacuse its pointed about heavy issue... with electric or volt's failur or maby eaven failur cpu product
cpusets gets me 15% better gaming but still lag and somthims shatter
with game boost
almost the same ... a little bit smoother... but still dead trigger lag alot... and after 10min of gameplay its getting hot and the fps hard drop almost to slowmotion ...
shadowgun working good ...
gta 3 1.3 tegra moded work so bad and laggy still
dead trigger still lags
beach buggy blitz lags too (alot after 10min of gameplay)

The phone only goes up to 1.7ghz in single core mode in quad core the max is 1.6 GHz that's why it won't go past
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sportsstar89 said:
The phone only goes up to 1.7ghz in single core mode in quad core the max is 1.6 GHz that's why it won't go past
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There you go lol. Answers that question.. thanks

sportsstar89 said:
The phone only goes up to 1.7ghz in single core mode in quad core the max is 1.6 GHz that's why it won't go past
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great !
now find out what make's my phone lag like my grendpa and drain battrey as my girlfrind to my brain
smartboy

Probably some apps your using I would try to ruu back to stock and see if it still happens
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ShadowSide said:
great !
now find out what make's my phone lag like my grendpa and drain battrey as my girlfrind to my brain
smartboy
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Are you twelve and using a broken blackberry to type your messages? I hope you fry your phone and learn to use proper language next to me you spout off at the mouth. I'm sure your grandfather and "girlfriend" are very proud of your last statement.
Learn your hardware first and don't compare any tegra device to an iPhone 3Gs ever again. My brain almost exploded with the lack of undestandingn of the hardware on your part.
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[Q] My htc one x+ is laggy while playing a game and signal drops?

Hello everyone!
Right, I bought my htc two days ago from o2 on PAYG off course, I did my own research about the phone and I was happy with the results soo, I bought it.
When I play a game like GTA 3 with a stock settings I get some sort of lag for some reasons, although I thought, because it had the Tegra 3 chip it should run any game without any problem.
The phone is 100% stock!
here is some info in my phone that might help;
Baseband: 3.1204.168.32
Build number: 1.17.206.1
Does anyone have similar problem with the HOX+?
Also, my signal drops sometimes and it does not regain for some reason unless I go to flight mode, ON then off, back to normal. I am with o2/giffgaff, any ideas?
Thanks for your help!:laugh:

AW: [Q] My htc one x+ is laggy while playing a game and signal drops?
There are some major discussions going on around the web regarding gaming performance of this device. Furthermore there are some gaming reviews foot it on you've and so on. They are easy to find if you really look. Just do another search.
But for now here s why:
Tegra 3 is a quite performant soc for a mobile device. But it does have some issues.
First is the bad optimization by game developers. Mostly it's Gameloft. They then to ignore the fact that they should optize their games for different platforms to get a enjoyable gaming experiance. Had been worse. ATM most games are playable.
Next problem is that the graphics processors clock speed is firmly linked to the clock the CPU is running. This means when games do demands little CPU performance GPU will also clock down leading to lags. This has been improved with custom kernel, game updates due to tegra optimizations and custom kernels and ROMs.
Last but not least is that the CPU tends to be running in single core. All in all this service does have a lot of power... Mostly a lot of still unused power but I'm confident devs will go on and improve the situation even more than they already have.
For GTA just lower the graphic settings a bit or try rennovate gaming fix.
For now the only games that are not running for me as they should are GTA iii with some minor lagging, nova 3 playable since latest updates but not enjoyable. And last but not least real racing 3 with most of the time 35+ fps but many drops below 20.
For signal drops: maybe it's bad reception in your area?
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Thanks for the answer, I did look around before asking this question but, all I was getting was answers that make no sense!
Soo, as far as I understood is the game developers plus the kernel but, that sounds like the device was not ready for the market yet htc released it!
One more question! do you think the phone is worth keeping?

THE_ said:
Thanks for the answer, I did look around before asking this question but, all I was getting was answers that make no sense!
Soo, as far as I understood is the game developers plus the kernel but, that sounds like the device was not ready for the market yet htc released it!
One more question! do you think the phone is worth keeping?
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no - send it to me
but you would be surprised what's possible if you use a different rom.
of course non-sense
the phone is good just HTC tends to cripple every device they release
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maxwen said:
no - send it to me
but you would be surprised what's possible if you use a different rom.
of course non-sense
the phone is good just HTC tends to cripple every device they release
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yeah I know but I dont want to risk anything yet! :crying:
all the android phones I had were a HTC like the desire, desire z, sensation xe and for now the one x +, I have rooted all of them without a problem but, this phone is still under warranty I would rather wait for an update then root the phone:silly:

THE_ said:
Thanks for the answer, I did look around before asking this question but, all I was getting was answers that make no sense!
Soo, as far as I understood is the game developers plus the kernel but, that sounds like the device was not ready for the market yet htc released it!
One more question! do you think the phone is worth keeping?
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I don't think you understood what he said. The main point was, the GPU base clock runs at a set frequency directly related to the current clock speed of the CPU. So games like GTA that require little resources from the CPU, do not utilize the GPU to it's fullest. There are some custom kernels that allow the GPU to run at it's max speed regardless of CPU useage.
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AndroHero said:
I don't think you understood what he said. The main point was, the GPU base clock runs at a set frequency directly related to the current clock speed of the CPU. So games like GTA that require little resources from the CPU, do not utilize the GPU to it's fullest. There are some custom kernels that allow the GPU to run at it's max speed regardless of CPU useage.
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Well, I did and thats why I rooted my phone to Viperx+. I am uing the Viber elitekernel but I am having a problem in setting up the max cpu frequency to 1700, its always stuck on 1150 for some reasons and yeah I am using venom tweaks, any idea?

THE_ said:
Well, I did and thats why I rooted my phone to Viperx+. I am uing the Viber elitekernel but I am having a problem in setting up the max cpu frequency to 1700, its always stuck on 1150 for some reasons and yeah I am using venom tweaks, any idea?
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The max Clock Speed is 1600mhz when using all 4 cores, you can only get to 1700mhz when running on a single core. Do you have power saver enabled? That limits CPU frequency.
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AndroHero said:
The max Clock Speed is 1600mhz when using all 4 cores, you can only get to 1700mhz when running on a single core. Do you have power saver enabled? That limits CPU frequency.
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I found out that the game was not fully optimized for the tigra 3 chip, soo I rooted the phone and used Viperx+ 1.06 rom so I can have more control then the stock rom. Now i can do alot of things like set min/max cpu clocks speeds and soo much more, buttery life is much better now (thanks to SetCPU!!:victory but yeah I knew in the end (after going throw alot of reviews) that phone will use 1.7GHz with the 5th core only!
Is there a way I can run 4 cores at 1.6GHz then running 1 core at 1.7GHz or, if I just set max cpu to 1.6GHz, then I will run the 4 cores?
I am using elitekernel for venom team.
No, I dont use power saver anymore!:laugh:

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