Nokia Lumia 925 - Nokia Lumia 920

Disappointed that it has lost the Xenon flash that they have put on the 928 but not on the 925, rather a missed opportunity in my view. No idea why they reduced the internal memory on it over the 920 as well. Was hoping for more an international version of the 928 than what we actually got.
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_925_announced-news-6030.php

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Seems their main goal with this device was to get the size down for those that thought the 920 was too chunky. It sucks that this and the 928 are coming out 6-7 months after the 920, and I hope whatever they got from their at&t exclusivity contract was worth it.

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It appears to be all about the cosmetic changes & very little else. I cannot imagine many owners of the 920 would swap it for the 925.

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For any normal smartphone manufacturer, this would be relegated to midrange status. Yes it is slimmed down, but that's nothing special that would add to the cost. It has the exact specs as the Lumia 920 that's 7 months old now and even has only half the storage, the same path a budget minded refresh of an old flagship phone would usually take. Except in Nokia's case, it's considered a freakin' flagship phone and cost just as much. Nokia is still living in its own little world. Maybe it's because they are the only player in the Windows Phone arena and don't have competition forcing some sense into them.
On the bright side, they were able to downsize the phone with optical stabilization down to 8.5mm. But that also brings up another important question. Why the hell wasn't the 920 this skinny, and instead so bleeping fat? Did Nokia have to learn how to make mainstream sized phones over the course of 2012 and somehow the 920 was an experiment, a learning project? There are no name Chinese manufacturers with 6mm phones, with better specs and bigger batteries, and for all intents and purposes, the same durability. It may not feel as "premium" but that's the only knock you can give. I always thought the optical stabilization was the cause for the 920's 11mm chubbiness. Apparently no. It was Nokia's own incompetence in phonemaking. It's also ironic t hat Nokia can be so innovative in things like camera stabilization and high DB mics, but pair said stabilization and mics with a subpar 8MP sensor that even with a million updates and software trickery and extra lenses, still looks like blurry crap.

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katamari201 said:
Why the hell wasn't the 920 this skinny, and instead so bleeping fat? Did Nokia have to learn how to make mainstream sized phones over the course of 2012 and somehow the 920 was an experiment, a learning project?
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The 925 lacks the inductive charging capability unless you attach the (ugly) charging cover. Once you do that you've got a thick phone again.

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^^ Yep its the lack of wireless charging ^^
I think it looks like a nice phone, The lesser storage is a real pain but have so far managed with just 16GB for this long, The lack of wireless charging is not a deal breaker however but would have been nice to see a few more colour options although I know they are aiming for a different market,
I do agree that this isn't really worthy of flagship status and not an upgrade from the 920 and not even much of an upgrade from the 900 I still use, Think I will wait for the Fall to see what delights await then lol.

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AndyFZ1S said:
^^ Yep its the lack of wireless charging ^^
I think it looks like a nice phone, The lesser storage is a real pain but have so far managed with just 16GB for this long, The lack of wireless charging is not a deal breaker however but would have been nice to see a few more colour options although I know they are aiming for a different market,
I do agree that this isn't really worthy of flagship status and not an upgrade from the 920 and not even much of an upgrade from the 900 I still use, Think I will wait for the Fall to see what delights await then lol.
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True. Its not really going to be the flagship, but with new marketing and a renewed push, it will be able to keep Nokia in the news, right up until the next real flagship is unveiled. We all know how badly we are waiting for the 41mp EOS. Combine a full HD screen and maybe some other innovations, it would be just downright amazing.

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I don't know if they thought by including only 16Gb of internal memory it was going to make people suddenly use cloud storage instead.

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I think 928 will work for AT&T and T-mobile
http://blog.gsmarena.com/verizons-nokia-lumia-928-works-on-att-and-t-mobiles-networks-too/

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randy_c said:
I think 928 will work for AT&T and T-mobile
http://blog.gsmarena.com/verizons-nokia-lumia-928-works-on-att-and-t-mobiles-networks-too/
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Sounds like it would be OK in the UK on the 900 bands that Vodafone & O2 use?

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I actually prefer the look of the 928 over the 925, Now if this would work on O2 uk then maybe worth considering

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I'm extremely surprised no-one's mentioned the sixth lens element they're including on the lumia 925. (Which they haven't given to the 928)
As far as I'm concerned that's way better than having a xenon flash. In fact, as far as I'm concerned any camera phone photo taken with a flash looks awful and washed out. The 925 will give you ISO up to 3200. ON A PHONE. I was impressed anyway.
Yes, they're improving the software algorithms for the 920 too with a firmware update, but this extra lens on the 925 is the icing for me.
The 920 has epic low light capability but was let down by soft daylight photos. Hopefully this 6th lens they've brought in to address this will put it a little ahead of what at the moment is still the no.1 camera on a phone - iphone 5 (no haters please, it's the truth).
Very excited.

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AndyFZ1S said:
^^ Yep its the lack of wireless charging ^^
I think it looks like a nice phone, The lesser storage is a real pain but have so far managed with just 16GB for this long, The lack of wireless charging is not a deal breaker however but would have been nice to see a few more colour options although I know they are aiming for a different market,
I do agree that this isn't really worthy of flagship status and not an upgrade from the 920 and not even much of an upgrade from the 900 I still use, Think I will wait for the Fall to see what delights await then lol.
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I can tell you that Lumia 920 is indeed a big upgrade from the 900.
I got the 900 when it was fresh on the market, and likewise with the 920.
What you first will notice, is the smoothness in the 920 menus compared to the older phone.
There is also an increase in performance, most noticeable in 3d games, here drive and when surfing the web, pages rendering much quicker, and so on.
I will also point out the camera as a big upgrade on the 920.
While taking still photos, it produces much clearer pictures compared to the 900.
But it is when you are making videos the 920 really start to show off.
I like to go to black metal concerts and get drunk. And after I got the 920, I have started filming a bit.
So I get crystal clear, steady videos. Even when I am to drunk to even remember anything.
The sound is also excellent.
Try this for yourself.
I would recommend switching to the 920. No doubt about it, as it will be a major upgrade for you.

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ottoen said:
I can tell you that Lumia 920 is indeed a big upgrade from the 900.
I got the 900 when it was fresh on the market, and likewise with the 920.
What you first will notice, is the smoothness in the 920 menus compared to the older phone.
There is also an increase in performance, most noticeable in 3d games, here drive and when surfing the web, pages rendering much quicker, and so on.
I will also point out the camera as a big upgrade on the 920.
While taking still photos, it produces much clearer pictures compared to the 900.
But it is when you are making videos the 920 really start to show off.
I like to go to black metal concerts and get drunk. And after I got the 920, I have started filming a bit.
So I get crystal clear, steady videos. Even when I am to drunk to even remember anything.
The sound is also excellent.
Try this for yourself.
I would recommend switching to the 920. No doubt about it, as it will be a major upgrade for you.
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Thought we were talking about the 925 I have both the 920 and 900 and believe me the difference is marginal in battery life and performance, I don't play 3d games on my phone so cant comment on that, The camera is obviously a big difference due to the tech involved, but as a daily driver they differ only slightly
And on a different note, Vodafone UK offering a 32GB Lumia 925 for preorder in Black compared to O2 UK 16GB White effort.

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AndyFZ1S said:
Thought we were talking about the 925 I have both the 920 and 900 and believe me the difference is marginal in battery life and performance, I don't play 3d games on my phone so cant comment on that, The camera is obviously a big difference due to the tech involved, but as a daily driver they differ only slightly
And on a different note, Vodafone UK offering a 32GB Lumia 925 for preorder in Black compared to O2 UK 16GB White effort.
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I will be the first one to admit I do not know all these LTE bands and what they mean; however, I live in the deep, deep woods and know for a fact that there will never be any AT&T 4G LTE or Verizon Wireless 4G LTE and likely no T-Mobile whatsoever. What I need to know is whether the 925 and 928 variants will run on the AT&T compatible networks at HSPA+ and assuming of course the devices are subsidy (carrier) unlocked; thanks!

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Lumia 928:
GSM network: 1800 MHz, 850 MHz, 900 MHz, 1900 MHz
WCDMA network: 900 MHz, 2100 MHz, 1900 MHz, 850 MHz
Lumia 925:
GSM network: 1800 MHz, 850 MHz, 900 MHz, 1900 MHz
WCDMA network: 900 MHz, 2100 MHz, 1900 MHz, 850 MHz
Hope that helps.

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True. Its not really going to be the flagship, but with new marketing and a renewed push, it will be able to keep Nokia in the news, right up until the next real flagship is unveiled. We all know how badly we are waiting for the 41mp EOS. Combine a full HD screen and maybe some other innovations, it would be just downright amazing.
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Is this phone's operating system, Windows Phone 8 or something altogether different like what Symbian use to be? What the 925 has is what quite a few of us want...T-Mobile's Wi-Fi calling app and what's left of us that are still hanging on to WP7.8 is Skype to work like it does over on Android. Frankly, if Skype works, I don't need T-Mobile, but I do need the capacity to make a Wi-Fi call and for those of you who are fans of Google, Viber, MetroTalk, and WhatsApp...none of them work flawless and usually require the person on the other end to have the same software which too is unrealistic. Asking my wife to use the same unrealiable software is too much of a stretch!
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AndyFZ1S said:
Lumia 928:
GSM network: 1800 MHz, 850 MHz, 900 MHz, 1900 MHz
WCDMA network: 900 MHz, 2100 MHz, 1900 MHz, 850 MHz
Lumia 925:
GSM network: 1800 MHz, 850 MHz, 900 MHz, 1900 MHz
WCDMA network: 900 MHz, 2100 MHz, 1900 MHz, 850 MHz
Hope that helps.
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It does, thank you; but what is missing is T-Mobile's 1700 band which is used to download cellular data which means unless you specifically buy a pentaband, you're SOL; yes?

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I've just got the Lumia 925 Grey and phone is very slim and very premium looking. :good:

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The camera in my 920 was taking very crappy pictures at bright daylight (the image while pointing was sharper, and after shooting it was ALWAYS blurrier), and I was told, that it's actually a hardware issue, not something that could be fixed by a firmware update. Also, it was intermittently completely losing network and taking 30 s to a minute to reconnect. So I brought it back to a Microsoft store and bought 925 instead (they were very nice to price-match T-Mobiles outright price of $579 as opposed to Microsoft's $699). Currently struggling with TMo to unlock my phone (had to escalate it all the way to executive customer relations department in the corporate office due to constant misinformation and misrepresentation of their unlocking policy by their regular customer service), but looks like I might be getting an unlock code from them soon.
The phone is much slicker and lighter than 920, I don't miss wireless charging (which I never used anyway), and I don't even regret paying $79 extra while getting memory chopped to 16 Gb. What's really-really nice about this specific one - is the fact that it's going to work on ALL carriers in Canada (namely, the big-3 Rogers, Bell, Telus, as well as Wind and Mobilicity) with native 3G/LTE support once unlocked (and de-branded for Internet Sharing enabling).

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berrywr said:
It does, thank you; but what is missing is T-Mobile's 1700 band which is used to download cellular data which means unless you specifically buy a pentaband, you're SOL; yes?
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There are actually a few items that are wrong here. Here is a list based on device:
Nokia 928: Most likely, you will only find a Nokia Lumia 928 from Verizon out on the market. In order to even use the GSM chipset, you must first flash the device. Worst part of it is that reports say it isn't a 100% fix. If you do plan on using a Verizon 928 (I haven't found global versions as of yet), then you must have the patience to flash it. The issue is also that is won't work on any other LTE network, besides Verizon. Without AWS, it can't run on T-Mobile's HSPA+ network in some areas, so check if they refarmed it. When you are successful, you may use it on AT&T's HSPA+ "faux G" network.
Nokia 925: If you plan on using T-Mobile's network, you must buy the T-Mobile version from the United States. Otherwise, no other variant contains the AWS radios for unfarmed 3G/4G. If you plan on using LTE on either T-Mobile or AT&T, you also must buy the T-Mobile version. The international variants do not have the appropriate LTE radios found in the Americas. The biggest upside to the Nokia 925 is that any version or variant may be used on AT&T's HSPA+ network.
In total, I would simply get a Nokia Lumia 920 from Canada (Rogers Wireless). This is the most versatile Windows Phone 8 in the Americas that is unbranded (except for some Rogers bloatware, which can be flashed out). I really hope this all helps!
-Arekusandaa