[Q] Best Mobile for Development, Budget $ 800 - Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Hi, Tech Guys here!
I don't know if I'm posting in the correct category but I thought it would be the best way to decide here which device to buy. Yes, I've looked on various sites and reviews for the best mobile device out there. Surely, most of them would suggest any one of the Samsung Galaxy S4, HTC One and Xperia Z. Well, I've not found any review considering the development of the devices and I don't think I'd. Thus, I decided to post a thread here on XDA where I can easily get recommendation for it and can have my priorities considered by the techies here. At the moment, I own a Samsung Galaxy S II. The only reason I still love it is the continuous development for it. So, my kind request to all of you here is to help me decide the best phone out there - the budget is INR 40,000 ($ 800). Here are the priorities (decreasing order):
Obviously, Android! I don't want restrictions for using my own device. I want the possibility to tweak the settings. I want Custom ROMS, Apps or you can say everything what this site is made for.
The best development support - I think Samsung and Google are the best for it, no?
Battery Backup. It's fine if I can improve it noticeably with tweaks.
Storage
Hell outta performance. I was very disappointed for the reviews that said though having the best performance, S4 noticeably lags a much.
Screen with good contrast and colors. Size also matters.
I don't want to pay much for bloat.
I don't know why my heart is not letting me go against the S4. But I can make the same understand if I've your points here.
Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated. Thanks to everyone.
I've also added a poll to vote for your choice.

s4 is great but one x is better suited for developing Android roms. Many roms are available for one x but s4 doesn't even have a official cyanogen

balajithegreat said:
s4 is great but one x is better suited for developing Android roms. Many roms are available for one x but s4 doesn't even have a official cyanogen
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One doesn't have a memory card slot and removable back.
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try SIII

I would wait a month, and get the S4 google edition when it comes out. You can't go wrong buying from google, and the S4 is an amazing device.

wdouglass said:
I would wait a month, and get the S4 google edition when it comes out. You can't go wrong buying from google, and the S4 is an amazing device.
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If I'm not wrong, it's S4 minus bloat?
That's what I can do with the help of xda! It would have been a cool deal if its price was less than the S4's
Correct me if I'm wrong
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Get the nexus if it is for development. It is the only line that is fully supported by AOSP.
Wayne Tech Nexus

Paras Lehana said:
If I'm not wrong, it's S4 minus bloat?
That's what I can do with the help of xda! It would have been a cool deal if its price was less than the S4's
Correct me if I'm wrong
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True, i'm just pissed at AT&T for my locked-bootloader-s4
That problem will sort itself out soon though...

zelendel said:
Get the nexus if it is for development. It is the only line that is fully supported by AOSP.
Wayne Tech Nexus
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Not released in India yet. :/
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Paras Lehana said:
Not released in India yet. :/
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Well I have had a recent dealings with some of the devices from India and to be honest if it is for Development you may end up importing. Avoid Micromax and any of the OEM that import from China. Maybe the S3 maybe a good one or the S4 If the Nexus line is not available to you. Oppo Is also working hard with developers.

zelendel said:
Well I have had a recent dealings with some of the devices from India and to be honest if it is for Development you may end up importing. Avoid Micromax and any of the OEM that import from China. Maybe the S3 maybe a good one or the S4 If the Nexus line is not available to you. Oppo Is also working hard with developers.
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Yeah, I mean the device should've nice development support but the other stuff I've mentioned in the list also matters. I'll be comparing Nexus 4 with S4 (i.e. Researching...)

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[Q] Which phone should i go for?

Hello everyone!
I wanted to buy a new phone but i am a lil bit confused. I like to play HD games on my phone, surf internet, listen music,take pictures and a GOOD battery life. Here's the list of phones in which i m confused:-
1. HTC One X
2. Sony Xperia S
3. HTC One S
4. LG Lucid 4G
Which of the above phone should i go for?
Please help me out!!
It depends on what you want out of a phone. For example if you have giant hands you'll probably want a note. If your not a giant but still want a big screen, Galaxy Nexus. I have a Nexus and I'm amazingly happy with it and the community around it. Saying this the one X has had amazing reviews and has a quad core. Hopefully this enlightened you some what.
Edit: I don't personally like xperia phones and the software they come with. So that's why I didn't mention this one
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ap030993 said:
Hello everyone!
I wanted to buy a new phone but i am a lil bit confused. I like to play HD games on my phone, surf internet, listen music,take pictures and a GOOD battery life. Here's the list of phones in which i m confused:-
1. HTC One X
2. Sony Xperia S
3. Samsung Galaxy Nexus
4. Samsung Galaxy Note I1717
Which of the above phone should i go for?
Please help me out!!
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Which phone is better is down to each person -
1. HTC One X (Hear alot of people not happy with phone)
2. Sony Xperia S ( Just dont go for sony)
3. Samsung Galaxy Nexus ( best choice)
4. Samsung Galaxy Note I1717 ( wait for the galaxy s3)
This is just my view but i would go for the galaxy s3 or the galaxy nexus, the s3 will be a popular phone and thus will get a lot of dev support.
RTContent said:
It depends on what you want out of a phone. For example if you have giant hands you'll probably want a note. If your not a giant but still want a big screen, Galaxy Nexus. I have a Nexus and I'm amazingly happy with it and the community around it. Saying this the one X has had amazing reviews and has a quad core. Hopefully this enlightened you some what.
Edit: I don't personally like xperia phones and the software they come with. So that's why I didn't mention this one
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I thought of buying Galaxy nexus but I want to go for a phone released in 2012 and with the latest technology like dual or quad core and I have a practice of using big phones (Last phone :- Dell Streak 5) Can you suggest me some other device ?
s.d.oconnor said:
Which phone is better is down to each person -
1. HTC One X (Hear alot of people not happy with phone)
2. Sony Xperia S ( Just dont go for sony)
3. Samsung Galaxy Nexus ( best choice)
4. Samsung Galaxy Note I1717 ( wait for the galaxy s3)
This is just my view but i would go for the galaxy s3 or the galaxy nexus, the s3 will be a popular phone and thus will get a lot of dev support.
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I dont want to go with Galaxy Nexus. I can't wait for the S3 as it has no fixed date of releasing. Why i should not go for sony?
ap030993 said:
I thought of buying Galaxy nexus but I want to go for a phone released in 2012 and with the latest technology like dual or quad core and I have a practice of using big phones (Last phone :- Dell Streak 5) Can you suggest me some other device ?
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Why would I suggest any other devices when I've already stated that I'm perfectly happy and still amazed every day of how awesome the Nexus is? It is dual core btw and runs every game flawlessly.
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ap030993 said:
I thought of buying Galaxy nexus but I want to go for a phone released in 2012 and with the latest technology like dual or quad core and I have a practice of using big phones (Last phone :- Dell Streak 5) Can you suggest me some other device ?
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Latest technology? u were completely spoiled by that mainstream thinking. And gnex even if its 2011 phone its still dualcore
ap030993 said:
I dont want to go with Galaxy Nexus. I can't wait for the S3 as it has no fixed date of releasing. Why i should not go for sony?
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This is just my view, but i dont think sony make good phones, and i have only ever had problems with them in the past.
an0nym0us_ said:
Latest technology? u were completely spoiled by that mainstream thinking. And gnex even if its 2011 phone its still dualcore
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I know its dual core and after sometime every phone will be getting dual core. I don't like gnex because of the company samsung , I hate samsung (my opinion).
If it would be a HTC phone , i would have bought it by now.
And Brand matters to me.
ap030993 said:
I know its dual core and after sometime every phone will be getting dual core. I don't like gnex because of the company samsung , I hate samsung (my opinion).
If it would be a HTC phone , i would have bought it by now.
And Brand matters to me.
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If you have that opinion why mention 2 Samsung phones for options? And by the sounds of it you've already made up your mind...
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If you have that opinion why mention 2 Samsung phones for options? And by the sounds of it you've already made up your mind...
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:thumbup: couldn't have said it better myself...
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RTContent said:
If you have that opinion why mention 2 Samsung phones for options? And by the sounds of it you've already made up your mind...
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Lol + 1
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RTContent said:
If you have that opinion why mention 2 Samsung phones for options? And by the sounds of it you've already made up your mind...
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I did mention it because i wanted a comparison and opinions by all of you and i haven't made up my mind yet.
alzest said:
:thumbup: couldn't have said it better myself...
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Marshy919 said:
Lol + 1
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If you can't help people around here then don't post in threads!
Balls to S***sung!!
Can I just ask why you don't like Samsung? What exactly about the phones/company do you have issues with?
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Can I just ask why you don't like Samsung? What exactly about the phones/company do you have issues with?
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First of all i don't like it designs at all and the way it copies the designs of other cell phones. In australia , a case has also been registered against Samsung Galaxy tab 10.1 for copying the design of Apple ipad .
I don't have any issues with any other company.
ap030993 said:
First of all i don't like it designs at all and the way it copies the designs of other cell phones. In australia , a case has also been registered against Samsung Galaxy tab 10.1 for copying the design of Apple ipad .
I don't have any issues with any other company.
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Ha.. go buy a iphone or something instead of making a useless thread like this.
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Stoux2 said:
Ha.. go buy a iphone or something instead of making a useless thread like this.
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You are no one to tell me to write a post or not.
I will make as many as useless threads like this. Do whatever you can.
S***sung.
torben88 said:
HTC
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torben88 said:
HTC
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until HTC can figure out how to have a phone with decent battery life, I'd stay away. Not sure what the deal is. They make great phones outside of this.

Is this phone worth buying?

Sorry if this has already been posted or is in the wrong section i am new to the forums.
Okay i recently got into rooting and putting custom roms on my phone right now i have an HTC evo 4g.
But i am eligable for an upgrade with sprint i have been waiting for a while because i knew there would be an amazing phone to be released soon enough and i am starting to think the SIII.
Is this phone worth it? I would only be paying 250$ for the 32gb and 199$ for the 16gb with my upgrade.
is there any other phones that are up there with the galaxy s3 on sprints network? Or should i just go and get this phone.
is it alot faster then the s2? also will i be able to put jellybean on it if i was to get it? is there a stable release out.
Yes. Go get this phone.
Is the best currently available.
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Buy the phone if you want it. It's a great phone but it may not suit your needs. Check it the specs and compare it with other phones you can choose from .
Your s3 model won't be the international version, it will be the dial core version so check their forum to see their development.
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kofiaa said:
Buy the phone if you want it. It's a great phone but it may not suit your needs. Check it the specs and compare it with other phones you can choose from .
Your s3 model won't be the international version, it will be the dial core version so check their forum to see their development.
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Is there anything less with the dial core version? I will go try to find there forum now thanks.
Yes
He meant dual core version. You aren't really losing much. Both versions are top of the end amazing phones.
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Yah.. Amazing phone and pretty cheap compare to Iphn5 but more features
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The dual core GS3 has documented and developer-friendly Qualcomm = definitely worth buying.
S3 is easily the best phone I have ever owned (and I have owned a great many top-spec phones).
That said I preferred the S2 in terms of size and weight. But the S3 has a higher quality screen and considerably better battery life
Oooh i see now the I9300 is the quad core version which is not in the US
The US version is dual core.
Okay how big is the difference in speed between the two?
Dunsparth said:
Okay how big is the difference in speed between the two?
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Should be similar on stock touchwiz. The dual core one is lightyears ahead of the Exynos one, though, when it comes to custom AOSP roms. Why? Well, just ask @codeworkz ^^
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Should be similar on stock touchwiz. The dual core one is lightyears ahead of the Exynos one, though, when it comes to custom AOSP roms. Why? Well, just ask @codeworkz ^^
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Thank you very much.
Just wanted to add my opinion to this one as I'm sick of all the exnos bashing.
Just because cm devs can't get it to work properly does not mean it's bad. It's the best version and I've never ever used a ti Omap or Qualcomm based phone that wasn't **** and dont get me started on cm roms on phones as from desire onwards I've never encountered a cm version worth installing as they aren't worth it. Stock android has always been and always will be lacking and ugly no matter how many cookie cutter mods you implement like volume button wake which is old old old.
Do yourself a favour and stick to Samsung based roms and save the headache and the laughs from people who see your stock android device and the pictures that come off the aosp camera among other things.
The SG III is way better value than the iphone 5.
If you want something "worth buying", you are the only one who can actually decide on this.. because it may/may not suit you. So i suggest you search and gather info for yourself so you get accurate infos
I do not mean to flame or anything, just a mini-suggestion. Hopefully this will help you in your decision
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I am surprised that no one said that you should wait for the Note 2 or the new Nexus or the next Galaxy S x, where x>3. There will always be better, but when you actually start using the phone you see that you don't need anything more, except less call log lag
It is that great that I don't even have the urge to root it right now and I rooted and reflashed everything android I had before.

[Q] S4 vs HTC One? (3rd party support)

I'm in the market for a new device. My S3 is dying, and I want to get a new device. I am aware that the Nexus 5 and other smartphones are coming out, but they won't have the ROM maturity that I'd get from day one with either a S4 or HTC One. So, my question is as follows:
Which phone has better ROM support at this point, the S4 or the One? What I mean by support, is that which one would be more stable, and more "open". I know they are both Qualcomm, so I'd imagine they'd be equally as stable and open.
Thanks for any suggestions/advice!
Note 3
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ajm786 said:
I'm in the market for a new device. My S3 is dying, and I want to get a new device. I am aware that the Nexus 5 and other smartphones are coming out, but they won't have the ROM maturity that I'd get from day one with either a S4 or HTC One. So, my question is as follows:
Which phone has better ROM support at this point, the S4 or the One? What I mean by support, is that which one would be more stable, and more "open". I know they are both Qualcomm, so I'd imagine they'd be equally as stable and open.
Thanks for any suggestions/advice!
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Honestly, if you at all like nexus devices or aosp roms, wait for the nexus5. It's going to be like any other nexus phone and have tons of dev support right off the bat, all nexus devices do.
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jmwils3 said:
Honestly, if you at all like nexus devices or aosp roms, wait for the nexus5. It's going to be like any other nexus phone and have tons of dev support right off the bat, all nexus devices do.
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i definitely agree! After a couple of weeks after its release it will have more support then both the GS4 and the One.

How many people really have note 3's?

I have noticed something lately, it seems like not that many people are on the note 3 forums for sprint. Is it because it's sprint, the price of the phone or because people just don't want to mess with the phone? What do you guys think?
The themes/apps section the most views are on my thread (spen sound pack) and it has been downloaded over 2000 times from kevinrocksman.com and goo.im put together
Personally I know quite a few people who are just still locked down for one more year in contract..also I see a ton of people with the S4 who love the N3 but didn't want to wait.
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Well, I use mostly stock, rooted rom because, well, unlike some previous devices, it's quite "good enough" that other than removing a bit of crap, I'm happy with the rest of it.
I didn't use your sound pack, as cool as it seems because I turn off spen sounds.
And honestly, I've not had many issues to speak of, so since I don't have much to say, I don't post much.
It really is the best device I've ever had in stock form.
I spend most of my time on the general Note 3 forums:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-3
I just pop my head in here occasionally to look for Sprint specific updates.
I've thought the same thing before. The phone is a niche style phone on the third largest carrier. I'm glad the community we do have is like family and constantly helping each other out.
Maybe after the holidays and tax season everyone will be making the switch. The phone is awesome and all.
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I've got a Note 2 and I pop in here and just watch the arguing about if the Note 3 has tri band or not lol. Then I check if AOSP has been released. Still thinking if I should get the Note 3 or not. I wonder if Sprint will release a tri-band version like they did with the S4.
I waited til price drop. Bestbuy has them $149 if you add a line so yeaterday i went down grabbed a note 3 and swapped it to my current line. Called sprint canceled the new line and will sell my lg g2 to pay the etf
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Tekara said:
I spend most of my time on the general Note 3 forums:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-3
I just pop my head in here occasionally to look for Sprint specific updates.
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How much of the mods and other things are cross carrier compatible?
oscarthegrouch said:
How much of the mods and other things are cross carrier compatible?
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lets see:
My spen sound changer mod
My boot animations
Kompsters boot animations
Joshs Themed samsung keyboards
My personal dropdowns (which im not 100% sure if i got that working or not...)
kevinrocksman said:
lets see:
My spen sound changer mod
My boot animations
Kompsters boot animations
Joshs Themed samsung keyboards
My personal dropdowns (which im not 100% sure if i got that working or not...)
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Where is this spen sound changer mod? I'm not finding it. Thanks buddy.
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xbmoyx said:
Where is this spen sound changer mod? I'm not finding it. Thanks buddy.
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One of the first gifts in the themes and mods thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=531
Spen Sound Pack[All Note3s]
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oscarthegrouch said:
For some unknown reason, xda app and android browser is taking me to a page that doesn't exist.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2474206
Try that
http://i.imgur.com/qrByUGN.jpg
oscarthegrouch said:
How much of the mods and other things are cross carrier compatible?
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The Kernel I use is from those forums:
[kernel][tw] leanKernel: minimalistic kernel
and these mods can be found over in the generic Note 3 forums as well:
[APP] [v2] PEN Window Manager - Easily Enable Apps for PEN Window
[APP] MultiWindow PLUS - Enable HIDDEN Multiwindow Features - MUST HAVE excellent mod
[APP] MULTIWINDOW Apps Manager - Easily Add More Apps to the Multiwindow Tray
Quite a lot seems to be cross-compatible, but even many of the things that aren't, the devs over there have made an effort to support as many of us as possible. So definitely show some support to those guys as well as the great devs that we have in this forum.
I think in another 40 days or so when i have an upgrade ill get it a sams club or somewhere its a bit cheaper the lack of hotspot hack on this g2 has me itching
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I don't like the samsung ui overlay and LOVE stock 4.4 KitKat. I've been using a Moto X for a couple of days and I'm loving it!! If only the note 3 was a 1 device for all carriers like the nexus 5 so the same ROM would work for all carriers. I'm seriously thinking if selling my note 3 to buy a nexus 5 but the camera, screen and lack of sdcard slot really turn me down..
Please pardon my ignorance but Why isnt there a cm/aosp ROM for the note 3? Is it because Samsung has not provided the kernel source?
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I only come here when I had a phone that needed to be modded. I dont dabble much so I appreciate all that people do here..
I have a note 3 and just plane love it.. unroooted and all... no issues.. just plane cool!!! still getting used to it... but eventually I will root it..
people say they want to remove the bloatware... I went in and clicked disable on the stuff I didnt want and I know it is still there.. but with the amount of ram I have in it.. I dont care..
so we have what.. 32gb of space.. and i added a 64gb micro sd class 10.. added it right in the store.. got someone to change their mind from an iphone cuz they didnt want to pay more $$$ for 64gb unit... hah...
anyway.. I got so much space free I havent seen a need to remove any apps...
also this is my first "Note" and I will ALWAYS own a note now...
i went from
Sprint Titan with custom rom> Galaxy S2 > Note 3 - so I dont have much experience on the android platform but I love this thing!!!!
I have flashed every android phone I had in the past, mainly because they needed it in order to function and perform properly. The note 3 is a beast out of box, therefore unless there's a super stable and awesome rom that catches my attention, I won't flash. I think more people went with the S4 imo as well.
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S3 still a good buy?

Hey guys
Should I rather buy a s3 or another smartphone if I want to flash a custom rom and have a reliable handy? I have a i9000 now and want a new smartphone that is faster and still has got frequent community support.
Also, I read that the european version has got an exynos chipset, is that a problem for custom rom support?
Thank you for helping!
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moriansafas said:
Hey guys
Should I rather buy a s3 or another smartphone if I want to flash a custom rom and have a reliable handy? I have a i9000 now and want a new smartphone that is faster and still has got frequent community support.
Also, I read that the european version has got an exynos chipset, is that a problem for custom rom support?
Thank you for helping!
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Dont get an S3, We might not get official KitKat and custom ROM support seems to be slowing down. In fact, dont get Samsung, go HTC / LG / Sony
I would personally choose between this few GREAT phones. The Samsung Note 3, LG G2, Xperia Z2, Htc m8 (Releasing soon)
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moriansafas said:
Hey guys
Should I rather buy a s3 or another smartphone if I want to flash a custom rom and have a reliable handy? I have a i9000 now and want a new smartphone that is faster and still has got frequent community support.
Also, I read that the european version has got an exynos chipset, is that a problem for custom rom support?
Thank you for helping!
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I would still suggest to stick with Samsung becoz:-
1. You can use external memory card
2. You can use a detachable battery. Most of phones apart from Samsung coming with sealed battery.
I love HTC phones, however for above reason I am still using S3.
I would say look for your budget, spending too much on a phone is not justifiable. S3 is still a rock solid phone and you can get it cheaper.
I do not really bother whether I am getting Kit Kat or not, because still people are happy using ICS.
I would rather suggest you to buy Motorola Moto G phone,amazing phone for affordable price,and also it's much better than Galaxy S3,because it's will get updates a lot quicker than Samsung,much smoother UI,a lot less bloatware.
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I would still suggest to stick with Samsung becoz:-
1. You can use external memory card
2. You can use a detachable battery. Most of phones apart from Samsung coming with sealed battery.
I love HTC phones, however for above reason I am still using S3.
I would say look for your budget, spending too much on a phone is not justifiable. S3 is still a rock solid phone and you can get it cheaper.
I do not really bother whether I am getting Kit Kat or not, because still people are happy using ICS.
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The new HTC One (M8) has a SD card slot.
Also, for the record ICS > Jellybean, but remember with each update comes security fixes.
Wow! Thank you for your fast reaponses!
Well, I appreciate your handy choices but the problem is that I am on a budget and the s3 is far cheaper than the rest you mentioned! I would really like sonys z1 compact or his great brother but it is expensive as hell as I would have to buy it without a mobile contract...
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