The only near official info from Verizon so far appears to be to CNET, which basically said, "We (VZW) have no current information on a 32GB model". That of course is not a confirmation that they will or will not, but considering AT&T has a 32GB and even tweeted the week of their launch they would- Seems anecdotally bad for a VZW 32GB.
Seems if we do not keep this issue "alive" in some manner and VZW has no current plans, they probably never will.
Get an SD card. That's what they're for.
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Based on the device you have only has 11gb out of box and no sd, seems you might not use a bunch of apps. Especially not the newer 3d games that take 2gb of storage.
Apps can not go on the sd card, so not an applicable option for some people. What MOS are you? I was an 0331.
I was tempted to wait for the 32 but was scared that by the time it got released (if ever) Verizon would have patched the boot loader exploit. Not worth the gamble for me.
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rushless said:
Based on the device you have only has 11gb out of box and no sd, seems you might not use a bunch of apps. Especially not the newer 3d games that take 2gb of storage.
Apps can not go on the sd card, so not an applicable option for some people. What MOS are you? I was an 0331.
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You can install apps to the SD card, and most games allow you to save all of that extra data to the SD.
I'm a 7599 right now.
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i think not
TheBiles said:
You can install apps to the SD card, and most games allow you to save all of that extra data to the SD.
I'm a 7599 right now.
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You can not install or move data with the S4, nor any Jellybean OS device. Android got rid of the option. Some devs offer the ability to install data to the card, but most do not due to customer complaints when the app messes up (swapping cards is example how apps mess up and users do not make the connection why). No conjecture on my part, but one of several actual Android team reasons why the feature was removed. The main reason was they hated the feature to begin with.
You can root, but the results with virtual mounting apps have been mixed, depending on the apps.
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You can not install or move data with the S4, nor any Jellybean OS device. Android got rid of the option. Some devs offer the ability to install data to the card, but most do not due to customer complaints when the app messes up (swapping cards is example how apps mess up and users do not make the connection why). No conjecture on my part, but one of several actual Android team reasons why the feature was removed. The main reason was they hated the feature to begin with.
You can root, but the results with virtual mounting apps have been mixed, depending on the apps.
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Ah, today I learned. I never realized they actually removed this feature because I didn't actually use it.
Understandable considering your device Even Samsung was saying that and they should know better.
I think that that's the problem of everyone. Most of those upgrading to S4 are coming from S2. They are saying: "F**k, I'm buying the 16gb because that's enough space and I can move the apps to the sdcard". Most of S2 users are still running on 4.0
I think in a few months there will be more than expected complaints and customers will point out that Samsung and Verizon CSR/Sales misled that you can put apps on sd.
It makes no sense not to offer larger models for this device. If you will not use the storage buy the 16, and buy the 32 if you will. Verizon are being arrogant a$$e$ for at least not giving a public answer. Verizon have not responded to customer or media inquiries beyond a generic, "We have no current information". This same lame answer is from their Sales & Marketing department. The very people that WOULD know.
I guess a, "We are not going to carry it, because we are milking customers at the same price point for a two year as the 32 model last year" is too honest.
Make your voice heard
http://aboutus.verizonwireless.com/leadership/executive/profiles/Tami_Erwin.html
Verizon Wireless Vice President and Chief Marketing Officer
I have sent a note and others as well last week, but no response. Not even a generic one. Same link.
good luck to you guys hoping for the 32gb version. my 16gb came with 9.8gb of device storage available. i've got about 70 of the downloaded apps i normally use installed and still have 7.7gb of internal memory free. admittedly i don't use my s4 for gaming, that's what the n7 is for. i do, however, have over 30gb of media and docs loaded up to my 64gb sd card. hopefully they come out with higher capacity sd cards since that's where i'll see the crunch sooner. either way very nice device, the s4 is. and i'm already rooted!
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I have sent a note and others as well last week, but no response. Not even a generic one. Same link.
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Same here. Some sort of reply would be a nice thing just to confirm the message got somewhere. Hopefully someone is seeing the messages and figured customer feedback is never a bad thing.
when i found this post. i thought i would find my answer . i guess know one knows.
The ones that do, appear too arrogant to bother saying, in spite of requests for an answer.
This is the reply I got when inquiring about the 32gb S4 using the link listed above.
Your inquiry would need to be directed to the manufacturer.* You may contact Samsung at 1-888-987-4357.* Samsung makes the decisions on what devices and the timeframes in which they are released.
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Regards,
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Shenika Frederick
Executive Office
Verizon Wireless
I guess they are just passing the buck and blaming Samsung.
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There are no current plans for a 32gb model from Verizon. That being said, if they do release a 32gb version it will be months from now as to make sure they get sales for the 16gb now. This is common practice for years. Same goes for different colors and such.
Officially no plans to release a 32gb version. Doesn't mean there won;t be one down the road.
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According to the support person I talked to in the BN chat they said I could take my device into the store and have the 1GB increased. Has anyone tried this yet?
I was at BN today, and they had no idea what i was talking about. The girl at the counter did not know that only 1gb was free for storage either :-C
I never believed there would be any realistic in-store tech support like Apple's. I dunno why B&N would make this a selling point in their launch. I have a feeling this will come back and bite them.
I'd wager that there will be an all-staff meeting in ever B&N store in the world in next few days (I've worked retail a few different places and we always had them after close on Sundays). There, the staff will be given a crash course in selling, demo-ing, restoring the Nook Tab to stock, etc.
When I first bought the NT, the sales person told me that they will have nook sessions every Tuesday for people who want to learn about using the NT. Maybe your store has something like that and a tech will be there.
when I returned mine today, the guy behind the counter was surprised and thought it was ****ty that it only had 1 GB of storage available to the user.. he said it may get adjusted as they are "always tweaking these things".. the only "tweak" I'd want to see is an unlocked bootloader
I just came back from B&N and the tech there said they will reverse the partition of the space for you. He didn't know if his current sd card will do it as they haven't done it in a while but told me that he will let the other techs know and will have it ready for other customers later on in the week. There are techs at my store apparently M-F. He was very knowledgeble and knew about xda and that the kindle fire has already been rooted. Maybe other devs could check out their stores and talk with their techs about an easier way to root, get a copy of their sd card :wink:
I asked a tech support phone guy about a possible repartition and he seemed completely bewildered. I'll have to try my local store, but I'll give it a few more days for them to figure stuff out.
With all the sideloading possibilities, I can live without root for a while, but I would really love to recover that wasted 12GB of space.
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I just came back from B&N and the tech there said they will reverse the partition of the space for you. He didn't know if his current sd card will do it as they haven't done it in a while but told me that he will let the other techs know and will have it ready for other customers later on in the week. There are techs at my store apparently M-F. He was very knowledgeble and knew about xda and that the kindle fire has already been rooted. Maybe other devs could check out their stores and talk with their techs about an easier way to root, get a copy of their sd card :wink:
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Go in Ninja-Stealth mode and copy that damn SD card for us!!!
Seriously, if anyone go for repartitioning, please try to follow all the procedure, like if they just use a SD card, or they connect the NT to a computer (and HOW). This will be really important. Thanks.
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Go in Ninja-Stealth mode and copy that damn SD card for us!!!
Seriously, if anyone go for repartitioning, please try to follow all the procedure, like if they just use a SD card, or they connect the NT to a computer (and HOW). This will be really important. Thanks.
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When I asked the tech on how to recover the space B&N dedicated to just B&N stuff, he just straight up pulled out his sd card and told me that he hasn't done it in a while (since the nook color) and that he may not have the necessary tools on it right now. I was exchanging my NT so I didn't want the repartition right away anyways. He told me that he expects the space dedicated just for B&N stuff (11GB or so) can be repartitioned back so that we can use all 12GB. He referenced they did the same to the Nook Color but I have no idea if that is true.
We have to remember that some of the "tech" is more knowledgeable than others, and most of them are very helpful in answering anything about the UI, and not so about hardware aspect of things.
Give the NT some time, let them work out some issues. I'd love to be the fly on the wall in some of their staff meetings...
So, what's the word? Is it their policy? Do they have tools that can do this?
Noob here.
Just ordered/purchased a N2A 32gb card for my NT. Anything I should know before it ships?
Thanks.
no, there is nothing special to note
(like what specifically do you think may go wrong)?
I have no idea what to expect lol. That's why I'm asking.
I got the NT in January, and it has since up-dated to 1.4.1, so I didn't know if that would become an issue. Or if any other glitches are out there.
I'm fairly adept at muddling my way through technical things, but I have been known to have to call my son when I've muddled to much.
( ;
SD Card
Depends on who you got it from! Hope you bought it from Albertwertz or one of the developers here which made it all possible...there's folks out there making a buck on their backs!
Good luck...post questions here...make sure to check unknown sources, both USB debugging boxes and disable OTA updates (download Hidden Settings App from Android Market to do this if your card doesn't already do this for you). If no instructions with your card lots of helpful videos on youtube by Albertwertz on assorted stuff or read through development threads. Note you need the latest Hidden Settings app from the market (I.e., update what is provided, if given this app and it doesn't offer these options.....fairly recent updates which may not be included in the app on your card depending on where you got it! Also, back up ur stuff first!
Yes support developers here, N2A take others work and get the profit.
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I have no intention of purchasing a card from n2a, but I do have one question I can't seem to find the answer to.
It looks like they have mastered a way to boot and run entirely from the card and not touch the tablet software. How are they able to do this without rooting the device. If they can do it, it seems like there should be a way for anyone to do this without going through n2a.
BTW, I did contact them about bluetooth and was told that they still haven't figured out a way to turn it on yet.
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I have no intention of purchasing a card from n2a, but I do have one question I can't seem to find the answer to.
It looks like they have mastered a way to boot and run entirely from the card and not touch the tablet software. How are they able to do this without rooting the device. If they can do it, it seems like there should be a way for anyone to do this without going through n2a.
BTW, I did contact them about bluetooth and was told that they still haven't figured out a way to turn it on yet.
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It all resides on the bootloader and kernel first bootloader needed to be cracked in order to advance the development for this device now you see that we even have a new kernel 3.0 made from scratch. N2A not capable enough i think. We lost loglud because of N2A, he said he will not post anything else in this forum.
About the Bluetooth and other "missing" things is just a matter of time, devs have to figure it out many things like drivers, the lack/incomplete drivers to make things to work as they should and that was in purpose by B&N. Hopefully fattire find the missing code in order to make Bluetooth work.
~ Veronica
N2a cards are like the blood diamonds of the nook android dev community
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Hi All - 1st time poster and new to the Nook world. I'm very impressed with all of you on here...great stuff and it shows a lot of hard work and dedication.
I don't want to hi-jack the OP but I do have a question that is related.
Just received my refurb NC the other day and I plan to go the CM7 route by way of SD card. I do have the opportunity to swap the NC (AT NO COST) for a NT. I would plan on using CM7 on the Tablet as well by way of SD card.
The question is, do you recommend keeping the NC or swapping it for the NT?
Thanks in advance all!
IMPORTANT EDIT: This swap would be for an 8GB NT NOT the 16GB variety.
Swap. NT has much better hardware. Cm7 works wonderfully on it and it will only continue to get better. Can't stress the difference in hardware enough. Night and day.
Sweetra said:
Swap. NT has much better hardware. Cm7 works wonderfully on it and it will only continue to get better. Can't stress the difference in hardware enough. Night and day.
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10 char
Tel864 said:
I have no intention of purchasing a card from n2a, but I do have one question I can't seem to find the answer to.
It looks like they have mastered a way to boot and run entirely from the card and not touch the tablet software. How are they able to do this without rooting the device. If they can do it, it seems like there should be a way for anyone to do this without going through n2a.
BTW, I did contact them about bluetooth and was told that they still haven't figured out a way to turn it on yet.
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The only way they have gotten ANYTHING is by following XDA developers. Of course "they" haven't figured out bluetooth...because XDA developers haven't figures out bluetooth. As soon as an XDA dev finds a cure for bluetooth...they will conveniently get theirs working as well. These people are freakin leeches and making a profit off of XDA devs by selling their work. (while you are "paying for the sdcard")
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These people are freakin leeches and making a profit off of XDA devs by selling their work. (while you are "paying for the sdcard")
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They can only make money if you hand them the money.
There are many users out there who are either not tech savvy enough to muck around with experimental stuff themselves, or just don't have the time of keeping up with all the progresses XDA developers make here. Those users don't mind paying for the convenience and support.
I'm one of those that paid a bit just to get the convenience and support....
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I'm one of those that paid a bit just to get the convenience and support....
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Support. Yea, there's no support on XDA. I mean, the CM7 support thread is only on page 59.
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The only way they have gotten ANYTHING is by following XDA developers. Of course "they" haven't figured out bluetooth...because XDA developers haven't figures out bluetooth. As soon as an XDA dev finds a cure for bluetooth...they will conveniently get theirs working as well. These people are freakin leeches and making a profit off of XDA devs by selling their work. (while you are "paying for the sdcard")
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Agreed. There are plently of users around here that maybe aren't considered "recognized developers" but are capable and willing to give support and solve problems, that's what a community's all about.
Read the threads, learn, and pass it on. Support the developers by donating or just hitting the Thanks button, instead of throwing money at leeches. Okay, rant over, haha.
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They can only make money if you hand them the money.
There are many users out there who are either not tech savvy enough to muck around with experimental stuff themselves, or just don't have the time of keeping up with all the progresses XDA developers make here. Those users don't mind paying for the convenience and support.
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Then why bother with the NT in the first place? Why not just throw money at Apple, or Samsung or Asus and have a convenient tablet with a stock rom and kernel and lots of in-place support?
At least with that scenario, the money goes to hardware development, instead of to middlemen, profiting off of other's work.
Not to mention, "tech-savvy" (i hate that phrase, btw), is an acquired trait. Nobody on here came out of the womb with a knack for android development. They read, they learned, they experimented. Is a similar willingness to learn too much to ask from people, who of their own volition, pointed their browser at a development forum ( emphasis on development)?
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there is a phrase that say like this:
Why to buy a smartphone if you're not smart
Birdsbeaks said:
Then why bother with the NT in the first place? Why not just throw money at Apple, or Samsung or Asus...
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Because none of those products are 7" and ~$250 (or less)?
Durp
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Because none of those products are 7" and ~$250 (or less)?
Durp
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Well, there is the galaxy tab 7, and the galaxy note as far as form factor goes.
The cost, is exactly my point. How does it make sense to buy a +/- $200 tablet, and then, instead of following some simple well written (and filmed) step by step tutorials, to fork over more money to a company for what is essentially a very overpriced sd card?
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I am kind of new to the android platform. I will admit, that while I am a PC guy, as far as mobile stuff goes, so far I have been very pleased with Apple and iOS (I do jailbreak all my iOS stuff, which makes it very customizable)....
That being said, I have bought a TF700 and keyboard to try out. Its pretty nice. I am however getting very frustrated because I cannot for the life of me understand WHY android would allow someone to buy and insert an microSD card for additional storage, and then restrict the user (me) from installing apps on the external card! I have read thru dozens of posts and understand that MOST people dont see a need for putting and running apps on an SD card. I am NOT one of those people. I am admittedly somewhat of an APP "hoarder" And I really despise being restricted from being able to store and run apps from my sd card!!!
Soooo....I ask all of the more experienced android users here - Is there ANY way possible to do this on an Asus TF700?? I have read that even if you root, it is not possible!
If thats the case, I may be selling my TF700.
Thanks,
Hyestar
Anyone??
hyestar said:
I am kind of new to the android platform. I will admit, that while I am a PC guy, as far as mobile stuff goes, so far I have been very pleased with Apple and iOS (I do jailbreak all my iOS stuff, which makes it very customizable)....
That being said, I have bought a TF700 and keyboard to try out. Its pretty nice. I am however getting very frustrated because I cannot for the life of me understand WHY android would allow someone to buy and insert an microSD card for additional storage, and then restrict the user (me) from installing apps on the external card! I have read thru dozens of posts and understand that MOST people dont see a need for putting and running apps on an SD card. I am NOT one of those people. I am admittedly somewhat of an APP "hoarder" And I really despise being restricted from being able to store and run apps from my sd card!!!
Soooo....I ask all of the more experienced android users here - Is there ANY way possible to do this on an Asus TF700?? I have read that even if you root, it is not possible!
If thats the case, I may be selling my TF700.
Thanks,
Hyestar
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Am I the ONLY one that has an interest in putting apps on an SD card???
Just wondering why this is a deal breaker for you. Could you install apps to SD on your iPhone? Not being argumentative, but I don't see why not having this option bothers you. You can use app to SD or some such to move a lot of the app data if that will satisfy you.
Most apps aren't that big, plus there are performance issues from running on a SD card.
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Just wondering why this is a deal breaker for you. Could you install apps to SD on your iPhone? Not being argumentative, but I don't see why not having this option bothers you. You can use app to SD or some such to move a lot of the app data if that will satisfy you.
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It "seems" like my 32GB iPad holds so much more. I dont honestly know why the perception is that it does, but for some reason, there seems to be more room on it. I agree that it i a design limitation of the iOS devices not to have a microsd card slot. (although, as in my origional question, it seems that ultimately, it is a design limitation on android as well.)
I just dont understand why android developers would restrict (it hasnt alway been this way) a user from using the sd card like a second hard drive. let me do what I want with it. run apps.
As far as there being performance issues with running an app/game from an sd card, I will point to my rooted Nook Color, that has app2sd on it, and runs (very well) apps that I have moved to the sd card.
Oh well, I guess I am in the minority of those out there that own tablets.
Thanks,
C
hyestar said:
It "seems" like my 32GB iPad holds so much more. I dont honestly know why the perception is that it does, but for some reason, there seems to be more room on it. I agree that it i a design limitation of the iOS devices not to have a microsd card slot. (although, as in my origional question, it seems that ultimately, it is a design limitation on android as well.)
I just dont understand why android developers would restrict (it hasnt alway been this way) a user from using the sd card like a second hard drive. let me do what I want with it. run apps.
As far as there being performance issues with running an app/game from an sd card, I will point to my rooted Nook Color, that has app2sd on it, and runs (very well) apps that I have moved to the sd card.
Oh well, I guess I am in the minority of those out there that own tablets.
Thanks,
C
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App2SD doesn't move the entirety of the App to the SD card. The Read/Write speed of the SD card isn't always enough to keep up with the demands of an actively running, real-time program. It's not viable.
After googling for a bit, I found that this guide is quite useful:
techgage.com/article/moving_your_non-movable_android_apps_to_an_sd_card/
You might have to get your hands a bit dirty but if you really want to have a lot of apps, I guess it might be worth it.
PS: Don't forget to say thanks if I've helped you
I got in to rooting and flashing when I was on my Samsung Fascinate, it was the device I learned the ropes on. By the time I was ready to upgrade devices, I was already running ICS on my Fascinate. We all know the history of the S3 and it being a flagship device for Samsung......and there were countless ROM builds for it. One of the most stable team builds I've ever been on was AOKP. Coming up through versions of OTA builds, AOKP was always on top....IMO. There were other ROM's that opened different customizations, but in my eyes none were as solid and consistent as AOKP was. Then we all know the hybrid ROM's came about, based on several different builds. There is where I found Rootbox, to this day I don't think I'll ever find a more complete and stable ROM. Its too bad its dev dropped building, but good for him as he was finishing school.
After owning my Note 3 now since it hit the stores, I finally rooted and flashed about a month or better ago. I tried a few ROM's, wasn't impressed with anything.....then a friend recommended HyperDrive. I had been on Release 7 for about a month, and pretty damn happy. Recently I flashed to their Release 8, which is KitKat. Granted, I know development is still early on KK.....but I've just been overwhelmed with the errors and bugs. I am generally a patient person, but this "stable" release is far from my experience with the S3 ROM's. And I do take into consideration these are two very different devices, based on different builds of Android software also.
Am I being too critical? Should I just shut up and wait it out? Where is AOKP? Where are the other teams with their big builds? Are they beyond forums now, and strictly WikiRoot and Gooim? I don't even venture over there, so I may really be missing out all together. A quick glimpse at AOKP's site and I found Note3 nightlies for "Unified Note 3", no specific carrier. Is this for ALL devices Note 3? Am I getting too old for this stuff?
Someone pass me a beer. :laugh:
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I got in to rooting and flashing when I was on my Samsung Fascinate, it was the device I learned the ropes on. By the time I was ready to upgrade devices, I was already running ICS on my Fascinate. We all know the history of the S3 and it being a flagship device for Samsung......and there were countless ROM builds for it. One of the most stable team builds I've ever been on was AOKP. Coming up through versions of OTA builds, AOKP was always on top....IMO. There were other ROM's that opened different customizations, but in my eyes none were as solid and consistent as AOKP was. Then we all know the hybrid ROM's came about, based on several different builds. There is where I found Rootbox, to this day I don't think I'll ever find a more complete and stable ROM. Its too bad its dev dropped building, but good for him as he was finishing school.
After owning my Note 3 now since it hit the stores, I finally rooted and flashed about a month or better ago. I tried a few ROM's, wasn't impressed with anything.....then a friend recommended HyperDrive. I had been on Release 7 for about a month, and pretty damn happy. Recently I flashed to their Release 8, which is KitKat. Granted, I know development is still early on KK.....but I've just been overwhelmed with the errors and bugs. I am generally a patient person, but this "stable" release is far from my experience with the S3 ROM's. And I do take into consideration these are two very different devices, based on different builds of Android software also.
Am I being too critical? Should I just shut up and wait it out? Where is AOKP? Where are the other teams with their big builds? Are they beyond forums now, and strictly WikiRoot and Gooim? I don't even venture over there, so I may really be missing out all together. A quick glimpse at AOKP's site and I found Note3 nightlies for "Unified Note 3", no specific carrier. Is this for ALL devices Note 3? Am I getting too old for this stuff?
Someone pass me a beer. :laugh:
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With a locked boot loader we're currently stuck with TW based ROMs. If you're having that many bugs on HyperDrive give a different ROM a try. I use a few different ones and do not have any issues at all.
Only the developer editions can run AOSP roms...retail devices are stuck with touch wiz because safestrap recvovery limits you to using the stock kernel only. I feel your pain with TW KitKat NC2...it is pretty buggy. Hoping the NC4 update will fix some things. For the mean time I am chillaxin on Beans MJE B.6
I can't believe you just asked that!
Request denied: Imma gonna kick you!!
I came from a Droid RAZR (original) that used Safestrap with a locked bootloader, but it had tons of AOSP and AOKP roms. What makes the Note 3 different?
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Retail Note 3 is locked to the stock kernel, aosp uses a diff one. I think others like Bionic can use kexec to boot which was what they were looking into on NC2 since kernel modules are enabled (and why they told everyone not to take the ota)
Thanks for the replies. I will admit I know how to get rooted and flash ROM's, but don't know a whole lot about the guts of the phone along with these limitations.
So in short, the retail carrier phones are all TouchWhiz forever? I am pulling that correctly out of these replies? Or is this something that some of the cell phone hacking geniuses that bring us this whole side of the cellular world, actually be able to overcome to allow us to run AOSP?
On an additional note, are all devices going to be like this from here on out? I had no clue about a "developer edition" phone, how does one acquire such a device?
Man, I need to catch up on my lingo.
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Thanks for the replies. I will admit I know how to get rooted and flash ROM's, but don't know a whole lot about the guts of the phone along with these limitations.
So in short, the retail carrier phones are all TouchWhiz forever? I am pulling that correctly out of these replies? Or is this something that some of the cell phone hacking geniuses that bring us this whole side of the cellular world, actually be able to overcome to allow us to run AOSP?
On an additional note, are all devices going to be like this from here on out? I had no clue about a "developer edition" phone, how does one acquire such a device?
Man, I need to catch up on my lingo.
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What you are use to no longer exists...Samsung is locking the device so tight these days, root will more then likely be a thing of the past. The VZW S5 has a 12k bounty just for root and nobody has cracked it. The developer editions are going to be the only way to root and flash roms. The downfall is you have to buy the device outright, no warranty, and samsung nor verizon provides updates for the DE. You would think no big deal, I will rely on Devs for updates, but there is a catch.
These days a lot of stuff is hidden in the bootloader partition that allows certain features of the device to work correctly. So If I want to upgrade from MJE to NC2 I need to flash a modified firmware pack. The problem is with DE is we can not flash that firmware pack without locking the bootloader. So we are then left with using a modfified stock kernel which allows us to use kitkat but we have to deal with certain bugs.
On a side note we can run AOSP all day with no issues being it uses its own kernel, but there is very few devs left working on Verizon devices. CM11 is all we have. I believe we can run some T-mobile roms with Apn edits.
The retail edition relies on Root privilidges for safe strap recovery to work. However since kernel modules are disabled on the latest update, kexec or any side load program that installs kernels will not work. Therfore Touchwiz is what all the retail devices can run.
It is really a no win situation at this point with Samsung devices on Verizon. Both Retail and DE have their own limitations.
I will probably continue to purchase Dev edition phones since I buy my device outright to keep unlimited. Also I am guranteed root capability to at the very least and I can mod my own stock rom. And if the retail gets a update down the road that is worthy of taking, I can choose to take it and lock the device. However as slow as verizon releases updates, I will most likely move on to another device before the update has any relevancy.
Your best bet is to move to T-mobile if you want a lot of development...I would but I am not sold on their service around my area.
Awesome, thanks for the break down.......it really helped me understand things a lot better.
Seems like I might just be best to flash back to stock and be happy as possible with the customization features Apex gives me. I REALLY don't understand the logic in locking the devs......no matter what they do, in the least someone is going to try to break into it.......especially if it is a popular device. It wouldn't be so bad on the other hand, if they would give us just some of the customization's that you can find in just about every custom ROM out there. You know they are paying attention to what the developers do on forums like this......but I personally really don't see them doing anything about it.
FYI, I too wanted to keep my data plan so I bought my Note 3 out right.....had no real clue about the dev edition though. From the sounds of it, I'm pretty discouraged about the current time and future of customization......especially for those of us who bought our phones out right. Pisses me off.
I've considered T-Mobile too, and it works fine everywhere but where I work. Being I get a stipend, I can't have a cell phone while I am at work.....that doesn't work. Or else I'd be long gone.
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Only the developer editions can run AOSP roms...retail devices are stuck with touch wiz because safestrap recvovery limits you to using the stock kernel only. I feel your pain with TW KitKat NC2...it is pretty buggy. Hoping the NC4 update will fix some things. For the mean time I am chillaxin on Beans MJE B.6
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This. No need to go away from Beans mje build until I buy a new home...
Actually I was under the impression the leak allowed for an unsigned kernel and there was work on an AOSP rom for the vzw Note 3?
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Actually I was under the impression the leak allowed for an unsigned kernel and there was work on an AOSP rom for the vzw Note 3?
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The leak allows a "possible" exploit of our bootloader that would allow kernel modification. I'm sure smart people are trying. But what I've heard is that even the smarties will find this hard to do. Plus we don't even know if it will work.
I guarantee you if someone finds a way, it will be supwr noticable where to find that info on the forum.
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Not trying to derail the thread, but it sounds like a couple of you bought devices outright "to keep unlimited data." Despite what vzw customer service and tech support may say, that is not true at all. I and many others with unlimited got a subsidized N3 from vzw. If you have a non-unlimited line on your account due for an upgrade, use it to get subsidized N3 on same capped data plan. Activate N3 and make calls on it. Turn off both phones. Go online and transfer lines on myverizon. Change N3 to your unlimited phone number. Take SIM card out of your current unlimited device and put in N3, turn on and call the device activation number just like you had purchased a phone outright from third party. There's another step in there about lUk8dia753 reactivating the original phone back on its original capped line, but I forget when you do it. Google knows. The point is Verizon will subsidize new devices that end up on unlimited data plans. In a circuitous way, it's legally required by the conditions of their purchase of the block c spectrum - the open device rule.
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Not trying to derail the thread, but it sounds like a couple of you bought devices outright "to keep unlimited data." Despite what vzw customer service and tech support may say, that is not true at all. I and many others with unlimited got a subsidized N3 from vzw. If you have a non-unlimited line on your account due for an upgrade, use it to get subsidized N3 on same capped data plan. Activate N3 and make calls on it. Turn off both phones. Go online and transfer lines on myverizon. Change N3 to your unlimited phone number. Take SIM card out of your current unlimited device and put in N3, turn on and call the device activation number just like you had purchased a phone outright from third party. There's another step in there about lUk8dia753 reactivating the original phone back on its original capped line, but I forget when you do it. Google knows. The point is Verizon will subsidize new devices that end up on unlimited data plans. In a circuitous way, it's legally required by the conditions of their purchase of the block c spectrum - the open device rule.
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True but that does not work when the other lines on your account already have used their upgrade and are out 2yrs before they can upgrade. So from July 2012- July 2014, I have to buy my device outright to keep unlimited.
Being someone who is trying to learn about rooting etc. I have found this thread very useful. To me if I choose to root a phone the biggest benefits I see would be getting rid of bloat and the UI. I love "plain" Android and Nexus devices, I like things simple, uncluttered, as I believe the way Google intends for it to be.
So if I understand this correctly at this point with a rooted Note3 I can not enjoy the benefits of running a stock JB or KK rom as it was straight from Google? Something about a locked bootloader is preventing these type of roms from running on our devices as of now, and who knows for how long?
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Being someone who is trying to learn about rooting etc. I have found this thread very useful. To me if I choose to root a phone the biggest benefits I see would be getting rid of bloat and the UI. I love "plain" Android and Nexus devices, I like things simple, uncluttered, as I believe the way Google intends for it to be.
So if I understand this correctly at this point with a rooted Note3 I can not enjoy the benefits of running a stock JB or KK rom as it was straight from Google? Something about a locked bootloader is preventing these type of roms from running on our devices as of now, and who knows for how long?
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You and I both - I find a huge attraction with the Nexus devices. Problem is, I'm on a carrier that refuses to carry them because they can't load adware on the phone and make a huge profit on what is already a huge profit (Verizon Wireless). I spent most of my youth on T-Mobile so when I got the Droid 1 on Verizon, I was pretty happy - better reception, etc... but the whole concept of adware really ticked me off. Without adware we could get a lot better battery life. These apps were running in the background of a phone I bought and paid money for (or promised $ for 2 years). What gives them the right to load it with adware?
The HTC Thunderbolt on Verizon - I was the first few to get it... The Blockbuster app glitched and was stuck downloading gigs of movie thumbnails. This killed the phone in 5-6 hours - no matter how many times you killed the app, it would start up and go downloading again till your battery ran out. Not only was Verizon forcing adware but the adware apps were so poorly programmed it drove me to Apple. Good job Google/Verizon! So after a few years of Apple (adware less phones) and relative bliss.... I went back to Android with the Moto X and now the Note 3. Sure, freezing Adware is nice... but rooting still provided much better battery life.
I'm one of those people who doesn't understand the idea of paying Direct TV/Cable TV $120+/mo for them to make $$$$ off of you via advertisements. If I pay retail for my phone (Verizon Edge plan) - I expect it to be mine.
I'm a sucker for ASOP.... but after owning the Note 3 for awhile (rooted) - I highly recommend you try it out. I'm getting insane battery life, the OS is light and fast, I run a custom launcher (Nova), and there is absolutely no adware/app that runs on my phone that I don't want. My only fear is... after the Note 3 (since the S5 is impossible to root and most likely the Note 4) - what will we have? Google Play Editions??? This mystical expensive Silver editions???
I'll try to keep my Note 3 as long as I can but if Google is getting rid of the Nexus lineup .... either I'll have to go back to T-Mobile - they do pay the ETF. Quite a few of the Verizon Note 3 devs left for T-Mobile.
Back to your post ---- there are quite a few lightweight roms to flashs on the Note 3 even a 600mb one!
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True but that does not work when the other lines on your account already have used their upgrade and are out 2yrs before they can upgrade. So from July 2012- July 2014, I have to buy my device outright to keep unlimited.
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You can transfer your upgrade to one of those lines. That's what I did - the capped line I used isn't due for an upgrade for another couple of weeks, but mine was up back in December. So I "gave" that upgrade to the capped line, bought a Note 3, and then swapped sims.
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You can transfer your upgrade to one of those lines. That's what I did - the capped line I used isn't due for an upgrade for another couple of weeks, but mine was up back in December. So I "gave" that upgrade to the capped line, bought a Note 3, and then swapped sims.
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Not sure how you accomplished that but I tried and was told I would lose unlimited if I transfered my upgrade to another line. Aside from that I will probably continue to purchase developer devices being Samsung retail devices can no longer be rooted.
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Not sure how you accomplished that but I tried and was told I would lose unlimited if I transfered my upgrade to another line. Aside from that I will probably continue to purchase developer devices being Samsung retail devices can no longer be rooted.
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If you are interested in a retail device and using your upgrade you can purchase from an online retailer such as best buy and select keep old plan and ship to home. As long as you insert your current sim card before powering it on and discard the new one they send you you will keep your UDP and have your contract extended two years when you power up the new device. The trigger to knock you off UDP is tied to the new sim, nothing else. There are many threads around various forums regarding this but look at android central and slickdeals if you wanna know more.
Slickdeals thread: http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=6964624
i kept unlimited by upgrading a basic phone (with no data plan) on my plan to the note 3, then switching it to my line.
edit: but i dont know how you get 20GB with reqular use. i get about 4-5gb with regular use, and my highest was 18gb in a month by USB tethering to my computer and torrenting a bunch of "linux software distros".
If, like me, you find you are dissatisfied with the ridiculously low amount of storage space available on this phone, it may be worth emailing Sony. I have sent the following email to them, as I feel, havjng read their website, the representations they make regarding the internal storage, and the now numerous websites which clearly detail that the phone has 1.26gb available, I am sure that, certainly within the UK, this breaches ASA guidelines. I am going to wait to see what they say, however if no satisfactory response is received, I intend to pass it to Trading Standards.
The phone itself is brilliant, but, without root, or a method to use the SD card as a merged partition, the phone is utterly useless if you actually want to install any apps.
If you've bought the handset, and are disappointed with storage, please email Sony. Perhaps, if they receive enough complaints, they may offer a solution to removing some of the bloatware.
Copy of mail to Sony.
Dear Sir or Madam,
I recently purchased this handset as an upgrade to my Xperia SP. I am extremely disappointed with the internal storage. The phone claims to be an 8gb model. This, according to your website gives the user around 3gb, however this is untrue. With non removable Google and Amazon apps, I am left with 1.2gb free. You also state that you can choose to install apps directly to the SD card. Again, this is a misrepresentation, as the app must first be installed to the internal storage. Having installed the essential apps for daily use, I am left with 600mb of storage space. This is simply not acceptable. I am unable to install a simple game, and then move it to the SD card due to the severe limits on space.
I understand that 8gb isn't the amount of space available on an 8gb handset, however, 1.2gb, I feel, breaches advertising standards in the UK, and falsely misrepresents the capabilities of the phone.
Since I am unable to root the device, or partition the SD card without voiding the warranty, I am hoping you will be able to provide a satisfactory solution, either by replacing the handset or by software patch which permits merging a partition on the SD card.
If I am unable to reach a satisfactory solution, I will, regretfully, have to pass the matter to Trading Standards, as I am confident that 1.2gb of usable space on an "8gb" handset is a clear breach of their guidelines.
There are numerous webpage sites now reporting this issue, which is seriously going to impact the decisions of prospective buyers of this model. I wish I had been aware of these limitations prior to upgrading. As it stands, I trusted your website and the claim that 3gb would be available.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Regards
Nice! Well, I guess it worth a mail (after I found the corresponding institutions here in Hungary ). Btw. I'll also add that in theory, this phone would be The mid-range flagship of Sony, which is a big fail in this case. Big as the small storage.
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If, ....... I look forward to hearing from you.
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Well, actually I have run quite a few campaigns against Sony in the past years and you would be surprised to know they have pretty bad feedback and pretty bad support for midrange devices. Even at times leaving out bugs and glitches which affect a lot of users, but then again they do not care actually. We had over 100,000 followers over google+ and change.org but at both instances , Sony did what it always does. Ditch a midrange hanging on a thin hair.
However, there is some good news for you. Sony usually upgrades a midranger for a year after which they completely leave it as it is. So you still got some upgrades left. I will be actually surprised if they give you Android M but that could happen but is not a guarantee. Android M would come around later in November of this year. Give or take 4-5 months, Sony would be announcing upgrades for its flagships devices. At that moment, just before it upgrades flasgships, it will give you a small bug fixing upgrade so Sony can officially say that it has given you a year of upgrades.
If you are very lucky enough, you might get it or maybe Sony leaves you at the last straw by providing a very buggy AOSP broken device tree and it would tell the world that it is very user friendly towards development. Xperia M4 users be left hanging on 5.1.1 officially but I am hoping against hope in the case of M4 that it might actually see a last update to Android M.
Amazon amongst many other bloatware you find on your device, they all pays royalties to Sony for preinstalling these apps. This means Sony is actually making a lot of money by just preinstalling these apps so why would it like to breach its agreement with bloatware companies or stop itself from earning?
Only thing I see happening is that they would merge the device storage into one or maybe decrease the size of their FTF by cutting out few apps or even allow users to move their apps to their sd cards. Worse case scenario, they might even discontinue the 8gb version and stick with the 16Gb and keep on receiving royalties.
However, you have an extra advantage in your favour, I must add. Many(read all technology based) websites have flooded the internet with how little M4 storage is. This might give Sony a reason to think otherwise!
Fingers Crossed!
As anticipated, Sony have responded in a cavalier manner. Below is the their email to me, followed by my response to it.
Dear Darren,
Thank you for contacting the Sony Xperia support centre regarding your Sony Xperia M4 Aqua handset.
I am sorry to hear that you are unhappy with the memory of the phone.
The phone has 2GB of random access memory and up to 8GB of flash memory. However, internal processes on the phone will take up some of this memory. I would suggest that you try uninstalling any apps which you do not use, however please note that it will not be possible to uninstall some of the apps. In order to do this, you will need to go through the apps individually. To do this, please do the following:
1) In the main menu of the handset please select Settings.
2) Scroll down and select Apps.
3) Scroll the screen from right to left until "all" appears at the top of the screen.
4) You will need to go into each app individually to see if the option to delete them is available.
With Sony Xperia, you have a repair warranty with your handset. However, as your handset is not defective, we would not be able to offer this. If you are looking for any other resolution then you will need to speak to your retailer as this would be offered by them at their discretion.
I hope this helps you.
For the latest news, information and product support please visit www.sonymobile.com.
If you require any further assistance then please do not hesitate to contact us again. Please use the below link for all our contact information.
http://www.sonymobile.com/gb/support/contact-us/
Please be aware that should you not respond within 5 days of this email your query will be automatically closed. Any further communications will not reach our support and a new query will need to be raised.
My reply....
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Dear Louise,
Thank you for your response. I now intend to take the matter up with Trading Standards, the Advertising Standards Agency and BBC Watchdog.
Your suggestion that I "uninstall apps" would be fine, were they not preinstalled and unremovable. Further, you have not addressed the claim on your website which CLEARLY states 3gb of available storage space, when in actuality, there is less than HALF of this available. This is a clear misrepresentation of the capacity, and breaches ASA regulations.
Neither have you addressed the claim that apps can be installed to the SD card, again, a false representation of the capability of the device.
My issue is less with the phone, and more with the false advertising and misrepresentation by Sony.
I have purchased Sony products for over 30 years, and have always been extremely satisfied, however the false advertising of the capacity of this product leaves me wondering whether I should I ever purchase another Sony device.
You should be aware that there are many forums reporting the storage issue with this handset, and many users on social media complaining of the same issue. This does not reflect at all well on Sony, and neither, I am afraid does your response, which I will be posting to XDA forums, whom you are doubtless aware of.
A simple resolution would be a software patch to allow the removal of the copious amount of unnecessary apps, by companies such as Amazon.
Best regards,
Darren S******
It appears that Internal Storage isn't the only area Sony are misrepresenting. According to their website, the sound specifications are:
Sony 3D Surround Sound technology (VPT)
Clear Audio+ – Sound improvement software
Clear Bass™
Manual equaliser
xLoud™ Experience
However, I can't see xLoud anywhere on the handset. Does anyone else's have it?
The Hungarian email support is the best. After I wrote the text and clicked on the send button, nothing happens. Tried 4 different browser (Chrome, Firefox, IE, Spartan), nothing. Very clever!
update: ohh, finally I realised that the problem was the lenght of my mail, it was too long - but nothing warned me about this, I had to guess...
Any further response from them?
Wow. I was going to buy this phone and now I am disappointed. Overheating issues, front camera not working, memory size. I think they can fix most of the problems with one big update, but i dont know is it worth the risk buying it.
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