So this thread is for questions regarding the new Moonshine S-Off.
*Step by step guide: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2317774
* linux/windows compatible.
*Full Ubuntu install its fine.
*Some ADB and fastboot command knowledge required. Guide Here:http://androidforums.com/optimus-u-...reference-how-set-up-adb-fastboot-ubuntu.html
Im excited... but trying not to get my hopes up too much.
Moonshine will works only with HTCDev Unlock or not?
Francey said:
Moonshine will works only with HTCDev Unlock or not?
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It should either work without it or provide a way to get it. It would seem pretty pointless if it doesn't as if you are unlocked you can already s off.
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Francey said:
Moonshine will works only with HTCDev Unlock or not?
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Moonshine will facilitate your phones ability to unlock via HTCDEV, which is needed to s-off your phone. Once s-off, you no longer need to be unlocked.
From my S-Off DNA
trickster2369 said:
Moonshine will facilitate your phones ability to unlock via HTCDEV, which is needed to s-off your phone. Once s-off, you no longer need to be unlocked.
From my S-Off DNA
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I think your a little confused. Moonshine will likely be an s-off method (direct s-off)... anyway my point being that htcdev does not facilitate s-off at all, it simply unlocks the bootloader allowing the use of custom recoveries and hence roms/kernels. My money is on a direct s-off method because i know the nature of beaups and fuses hacking background and previous work.
furthermore if im correct then htcdev wont be entirely necessary because a different hboot can be flashed without it giving the user write access to the boot and system partitions
I don't think it's possible to unlock without htcdev... I can't wait to put some sense 5 then cm 10.1.... I actually had a question regarding backups before I root. How exactly should I be backing up my phone? Unlock–>put twrp –> use x app to create nandroid and get that on computer somehow and then flash?
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I don't think it's possible to unlock without htcdev... I can't wait to put some sense 5 then cm 10.1.... I actually had a question regarding backups before I root. How exactly should I be backing up my phone? Unlock–>put twrp –> use x app to create nandroid and get that on computer somehow and then flash?
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If you're s off you don't have to use htcdev at all
CharliesTheMan said:
If you're s off you don't have to use htcdev at all
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Can you flash a custom recovery with s-off?
I thought beaups mentioned after s-off you flash the eng hboot, ruu 1.15, get supercid, and then unlock through htcdev.
jonesin said:
I think your a little confused. Moonshine will likely be an s-off method (direct s-off)... anyway my point being that htcdev does not facilitate s-off at all, it simply unlocks the bootloader allowing the use of custom recoveries and hence roms/kernels. My money is on a direct s-off method because i know the nature of beaups and fuses hacking background and previous work.
furthermore if im correct then htcdev wont be entirely necessary because a different hboot can be flashed without it giving the user write access to the boot and system partitions
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It's possible that I'm confused, but, I do know that for facepalm to work, you had to be unlocked using super CID. Then you could do the s-off method. I was basing my statement on that. It's entirely possible that moonshine does not require an unlocked bootloader to work. We will find out in due time.
Edit: I'm fully aware that HTCDEV does not give s-off.
From my S-Off DNA
Moonshine will not require htc-dev unlock on the DNA. If it did, it would be useless for the stuck 2.xx users.
It will give you s-off and "UNLOCK" status, together.
beaups said:
Moonshine will not require htc-dev unlock on the DNA. If it did, it would be useless for the stuck 2.xx users.
It will give you s-off and "UNLOCK" status, together.
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Champion.
Beaups is the greatest person alive thanks for the support and love of our device
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beaups said:
Moonshine will not require htc-dev unlock on the DNA. If it did, it would be useless for the stuck 2.xx users.
It will give you s-off and "UNLOCK" status, together.
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And on HTC One?
Francey said:
And on HTC One?
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Seeing as its called the same thing and the screenshots, I assume they found a common method. Possibly has huge implications.... its really hard to tell without the release or without a hint as to how it works. They, understandably, probably wont say if it can get patched or something.
beaups said:
Moonshine will not require htc-dev unlock on the DNA. If it did, it would be useless for the stuck 2.xx users.
It will give you s-off and "UNLOCK" status, together.
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Boom.
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beaups said:
Moonshine will not require htc-dev unlock on the DNA. If it did, it would be useless for the stuck 2.xx users.
It will give you s-off and "UNLOCK" status, together.
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I gather this method doesn't needed to edit the CID?
ETA? Had to ask.
Party foul.....
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Gorilla* said:
ETA? Had to ask.
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And now he's gonna add a week just because you asked. Thanks!
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Is this root method like unrevoked forever? Is this at the radio level or just a hacked hboot?
If later on, an OTA gets applied, will the phone still be s-off so I can just flash a recovery again?
Please don't respond 'dont take OTAs', because that's not what I'm asking.
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From what I have read it is at the radio level and OTA's shouldn't affect s-off.
vandon1 said:
Is this root method like unrevoked forever? Is this at the radio level or just a hacked hboot?
If later on, an OTA gets applied, will the phone still be s-off so I can just flash a recovery again?
Please don't respond 'dont take OTAs', because that's not what I'm asking.
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http://unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php/public/revolutionary
From that page:
What does this do, then?
revolutionary will give you S-OFF either by a patched HBOOT or setting the secureflag to off on the device itself. This behaviour will depending on your particular device. Optionally it will also replace the stock Android recovery with a custom one, which adds many features including “nandroid” backups, the ability to use custom ROMs, and a greater amount of flexibility and customization of your Android phone.
Does this permanently unlock the NAND flash on my phone?
Yes. The default configuration of this tool disables the phone's security, which also disables the NAND locks placed on the storage by the bootloader.
All the info I know about is right there.
I also found this, which I'm not positive if this applies to our method, but I think it does. Interesting none the less: http://alpharev.nl/
From what I understand, S-off will remain no matter what, until you issue a fastboot command that is "fastboot oem setsecureflag3" You can see here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1194053 for a full tut on how to turn it back to S-on. SO yea, it's similar to unrevoked forever, where you're always S-off until you deliberately set it to S-on. Running an RUU doesn't even set it to S-on.
That all said, even though you said "don't tell me not to take OTA", I will remind you anyways, that it's always a sketchy thing, especially if HTC has included a new hboot in that OTA. To each their own though.
Thanks for the info, I missed that on the unrevoked site.
However, if it's S-Off in the radio, doesn't that mean that the hboot won't really matter? On the evo 4g at least, new hboots don't kill the s-off and you could always reflash a recovery from hboot.
I'm just wondering if you can flash a recovery with s-off from a stock hboot.
k2buckley said:
Running an RUU doesn't even set it to S-on.
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Are you sure? I read this in the AlphaRev FAQ's
As soon as you decide to flash a stock RUU that has a HBOOT update in it, this hacked HBOOT will be overwritten.
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This is interesting, as I have been wondering how to get S-ON after running Revolutionary, should I need to take my device in for repairs.
What's your take on it?
mattchew86 said:
Are you sure? I read this in the AlphaRev FAQ's
This is interesting, as I have been wondering how to get S-ON after running Revolutionary, should I need to take my device in for repairs.
What's your take on it?
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I hear "fastboot oem setsecureflag3" works wonders.
Good info. Thanks
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So I see there's a way to unlock the bootloader via HTC, is there anything there way besides that? For example revolutionary. Link would be helpful too since I'm on mobile. Thanks I'm advance!
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nope, no other way yet.
Read around.
Only two ways to unlock bootloader.
By HTC or S-OFF by Juponutbear.
Either way, you have to do HTC's unlock before you can do the S-OFF procedure.
There's no revolutionary-ish method I'm aware of, root comes easily through ROMs, flashing a SU.zip, or adding superuser through Amon Ra.
I Am Marino said:
Read around.
Only two ways to unlock bootloader.
By HTC or S-OFF by Juponutbear.
Either way, you have to do HTC's unlock before you can do the S-OFF procedure.
There's no revolutionary-ish method I'm aware of, root comes easily through ROMs, flashing a SU.zip, or adding superuser through Amon Ra.
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Can you provide a list link for juponutbear please? Last time I rooted was a dinc 2 via revolutionary and I been training for the army for about 4 months now so ima a little rusty
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You must do HTC unlock first.
This unlocks the bootloader and allows you to root.
Then you must root, and the only method of doing that that I'm currently aware of is to use Amon Ra to root the phone.
Then you can get S-OFF via the Juopunutbear method.
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You must do HTC unlock first.
This unlocks the bootloader and allows you to root.
Then you must root, and the only method of doing that that I'm currently aware of is to use Amon Ra to root the phone.
Then you can get S-OFF via the Juopunutbear method.
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I know the boot loader part but don't I have to s off before root?
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bluedegeon said:
I know the boot loader part but don't I have to s off before root?
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You don't NEED soff it's just helpful in some cases
bluedegeon said:
I know the boot loader part but don't I have to s off before root?
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No.
Only a custom recovery, which would at least need HTC's unlock.
bluedegeon said:
So I see there's a way to unlock the bootloader via HTC, is there anything there way besides that? For example revolutionary. Link would be helpful too since I'm on mobile. Thanks I'm advance!
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Hey OP, there are root methods for the stock firmware, the 1.02.605.6 that comes with the phone new.
If you have not gone to the OTA firmware yet, 2.01.605.11, you can use those root methods.
Someone else feel free to tell me to go back to sleep, if I need it, too
Edit 3: Removing my tinfoil hat and going back to sleep for now, sorry.
Okay I'm on the latest version. Will the tool from the development forum work still?
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If you are updated to the OTA firmware, you can only accomplish root by Unlocking the bootloader first.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1415615
This guide details the process succinctly and is what I used, however:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1504824
If you download the All-In-One toolkit and follow the guide it can simplify the process greatly. Perm Root option is in the Extras section for you after Unlock, and AmonRa recovery is recommended. Some ClockworkMod users have some nasty trouble charging battery when it becomes fully drained.
PhantasmRezound said:
If you are updated to the OTA firmware, you can only accomplish root by Unlocking the bootloader first.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1415615
This guide details the process succinctly and is what I used, however:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1504824
If you download the All-In-One toolkit and follow the guide it can simplify the process greatly. Perm Root option is in the Extras section for you after Unlock, and AmonRa recovery is recommended. Some ClockworkMod users have some nasty trouble charging battery when it becomes fully drained.
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Alright thanks. Yeah I don't like cwm anyways. I wish 4ext was available. Best recovery I ever used.
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Can anyone confirm if the HTC Quick Root tool is working for both rooting and fully unrooting?
I need to able to unroot as easily as possible should something happen to my device, since I've only had it for a few days and is still on warranty, which is why I'm avoiding unlocking the bootloader for now.
Attached is the software information screenshot, if necessary.
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Can anyone confirm if the HTC Quick Root tool is working for both rooting and fully unrooting?
I need to able to unroot as easily as possible should something happen to my device, since I've only had it for a few days and is still on warranty, which is why I'm avoiding unlocking the bootloader for now.
Attached is the software information screenshot, if necessary.
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As far as I know, any (un)rooting tool will unlock your bootloader to get the job done. Quick Root (along with similar tools, like hasoon2000's "All In One toolkit") will merely automate the process, making it easier. The end result is the same, though: An unlock code will have been requested from HTC, and some fusebits will have been blown. Your warranty may or may not be void.
So essentially, there is no way to root without unlocking the bootloader?
oddoneout said:
So essentially, there is no way to root without unlocking the bootloader?
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No.
xpirt
Thanks. Guess I will be waiting for S-OFF.
oddoneout said:
Thanks. Guess I will be waiting for S-OFF.
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It's a long long wait.
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I know I'm derailing the thread a bit here, but assuming I do unlock the bootloader and lock it again afterwards for warranty purposes, is there any way to change the RELOCKED warning to LOCKED?
Apparently the following does just that for other HTC devices which have a signed hboot - can anyone confirm?
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fastboot oem writesecureflag 3
oddoneout said:
I know I'm derailing the thread a bit here, but assuming I do unlock the bootloader and lock it again afterwards for warranty purposes, is there any way to change the RELOCKED warning to LOCKED?
Apparently the following does just that for other HTC devices which have a signed hboot - can anyone confirm?
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fastboot oem writesecureflag 3
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You can't change RELOCKED. After first unlock of bootloader you lose warranty for ever.
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While I understand that the following threads aren't for the Desire X, perhaps you should still have a look at them
http://androidforums.com/rezound-al...-off-guide-info-return-stock.html#post4394129
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2034060
oddoneout said:
While I understand that the following threads aren't for the Desire X, perhaps you should still have a look at them
http://androidforums.com/rezound-al...-off-guide-info-return-stock.html#post4394129
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2034060
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Yes with S-OFF you can do all, but for Desire X there is not S-OFF yet.
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xpirt said:
Yes with S-OFF you can do all, but for Desire X there is not S-OFF yet.
xpirt
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In the first link, the instructions are to run a RUU (which as far as I understand will set the device to S-ON) and then to run "fastboot oem writesecureflag 3", so I don't quite understand why S-OFF is required.
Is it possible to relock bootloader..son and ruu
I can't find nothing. I need to get help from verizon because my id on my phone doesn't match up with whats on my account.
Edit: I found a RUU I just need something to lock my bootloader... I used rumrunner. I was looking at a tool kit not sure if its going to lock it though
thayl0 said:
Is it possible to relock bootloader..son and ruu
I can't find nothing. I need to get help from verizon because my id on my phone doesn't match up with whats on my account.
Edit: I found a RUU I just need something to lock my bootloader... I used rumrunner. I was looking at a tool kit not sure if its going to lock it though
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Dunno if you've already tried this...
Copied from rumrunner s-off guide:
All credit goes to scotty1223.
a. Follow this OP to lock your bootloader. : http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=2540004
Good luck!
neodiver said:
Dunno if you've already tried this...
Copied from rumrunner s-off guide:
All credit goes to scotty1223.
a. Follow this OP to lock your bootloader. : http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=2540004
Good luck!
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The page doesn't load.
Sorry brother, I must have cut off link. Let's try again
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2540004
neodiver said:
Sorry brother, I must have cut off link. Let's try again
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2540004
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Thank you. I'll check it out when I get home. I domy know how I messed that thread.
Also do you know if this will give me son also?
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If you are not returning the phone and its verizon you probably can just flash the boot in santods thread to make it show as s-on and not tampered. Definitely dont s-on for real with verizon as you never know what they are going to do to close that option up (ie 4.4). You dont have to be s-on for an ruu unless it is encrypted. Either way the decrypted is readily available.
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If you are not returning the phone and its verizon you probably can just flash the boot in santods thread to make it show as s-on and not tampered. Definitely dont s-on for real with verizon as you never know what they are going to do to close that option up (ie 4.4). You dont have to be s-on for an ruu unless it is encrypted. Either way the decrypted is readily available.
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I no longer need to lock it. Thanks guys
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ive spent several hours searching xda for methods of s-off and root. its been a while since ive been on an htc device. heres a little info on my device.
Android version - 4.4.2
htc sense version - 6.0
software number - 3.09.605.2
baseband - 1.36.60.0520
build number - 3.09.605.2 cl333209
t6wl pvt ship s-on rh
hboot - -2.49.0000
radio - 1.36.60.0520
from my understanding, i need to get s-off in order to obtain root right? ive tried several methods. all-in-one tools, firewater, temproot, adb, rumrunner, weaksauce, etc.... nothing is working for me. i noticed there was an app called "sunshine" and it seems like it may be the only way but its $25. i wanted to see if i was doing this correctly or not. am i capable of s-off and root with my software on the device? can someone guide me in the right direction please? thanks
jakelong04 said:
ive spent several hours searching xda for methods of s-off and root. its been a while since ive been on an htc device. heres a little info on my device.
Android version - 4.4.2
htc sense version - 6.0
software number - 3.09.605.2
baseband - 1.36.60.0520
build number - 3.09.605.2 cl333209
t6wl pvt ship s-on rh
hboot - -2.49.0000
radio - 1.36.60.0520
from my understanding, i need to get s-off in order to obtain root right? ive tried several methods. all-in-one tools, firewater, temproot, adb, rumrunner, weaksauce, etc.... nothing is working for me. i noticed there was an app called "sunshine" and it seems like it may be the only way but its $25. i wanted to see if i was doing this correctly or not. am i capable of s-off and root with my software on the device? can someone guide me in the right direction please? thanks
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If you tried all of the above and didn't get root then yes sunshine is required. That Will turn s off and unlock for you. Then you need to fastboot flash twrp and then flash the latest supersu.zip.
I was hoping that there was another solution besides sunshine. Are there any other devs working on a different method? Just curious though, am I incapable of obtaining s-off on my phone because I'm on 4.4.2
update: im still trying to learn more about why i cant s-off. if i am understanding correctly, since my phone is on 4.4.2, i cannot unlock the bootloader yet. thats why i cant obtain s-off. ive tried with htcdev to unlock the bootloader but thats not working on verizon one max's. is there another way to do so?
jakelong04 said:
update: im still trying to learn more about why i cant s-off. if i am understanding correctly, since my phone is on 4.4.2, i cannot unlock the bootloader yet. thats why i cant obtain s-off. ive tried with htcdev to unlock the bootloader but thats not working on verizon one max's. is there another way to do so?
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What error did you you get with firewater?
dottat said:
What error did you you get with firewater?
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I don't remember but from I understand , I can't s-off unless my boot loader is unlocked right?
reebok_I_3 said:
I don't remember but from I understand , I can't s-off unless my boot loader is unlocked right?
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For firewater on vzw you use it to do both. You can't unlock prior.
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For firewater on vzw you use it to do both. You can't unlock prior.
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I'll try it again tonight and I'll let you know the results. Does my firmware have anything to do with me having issues on my attempts?
reebok_I_3 said:
I'll try it again tonight and I'll let you know the results. Does my firmware have anything to do with me having issues on my attempts?
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Yes...iirc you can't be on anything newer than 4.4.2 and if you get a whelp message your phone is a newer hardware variant that won't work.
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Yes...iirc you can't be on anything newer than 4.4.2 and if you get a whelp message your phone is a newer hardware variant that won't work.
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Yeah from what I've been reading, only sunshine can s-off and unlock the boot loader for now. I'm hoping some other dev can come up with a different solution. I don't have a problem paying the $25 to the sunshine developer but I'm a tinkerer. I enjoy tinkering because I get the most out of my phone at no cost. (typically, unless a donation is made.)
flash Viperrom for Verizon then run firewater s-off
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flash Viperrom for Verizon then run firewater s-off
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How would I be able to flash the rom if I can't get s-off and root?
reebok_I_3 said:
Yeah from what I've been reading, only sunshine can s-off and unlock the boot loader for now. I'm hoping some other dev can come up with a different solution. I don't have a problem paying the $25 to the sunshine developer but I'm a tinkerer. I enjoy tinkering because I get the most out of my phone at no cost. (typically, unless a donation is made.)
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I'm not sure how different or not Verizon is to Sprint, but here is a guideline that worked for me when I rooted, s-off, unlocked, and everything else. It is by no means perfect, but you should be able to piece it together from the guideline: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2550559
reebok_I_3 said:
How would I be able to flash the rom if I can't get s-off and root?
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you dont need s-off to root your device ... s-off is an added privledge to an unlocked bootloader .... 1. Unlock bootloader through HTC dev then you can flash any rom you want ... 2. Recommend to viperrom to get s-off 3. To flash a rom you need to replace your recovery mode from stock to a custome recovery for example clockworkmod or TWRP