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Does anyone eleses yellows and Greens look off esp the yellows they seem to be very dull and off and almost orange
I agree, the market icon look Olive-colored on Atrix 4G
A lot of you were looking at the oversaturated SAMOLED screens for a long time... this is way more natural.
No qhd is just not as good as super amloed its facts.
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psufan5 said:
A lot of you were looking at the oversaturated SAMOLED screens for a long time... this is way more natural.
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But the color does not feel as good as my laptop screen...
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No qhd is just not as good as super amloed its facts.
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Qhd is not a screen technology, its a resolution.
And the problem with the colors isn't that they're dull or unsaturated compared to a super amoled., that's to be expexted. The problem is that the colors are just wrong compared to just about any screen you want to compare it too, load up some websites on the phone and a well calibrated desktop monitor and you'll easily see the difference.
Compared to my captivate im really happy. That thing made skin tones green or orange.
It has to be reiterated. The oled display technology OVERsaturates the colors. As in, the colors are overly vibrant. The atrix will more accurately display colors.
Ok, saying this again. We (at least I) am not saying this in comparison to a samoled screen, the colors on a regular LCD will obviously never look like that, the colors on the amoled are completely wrong. However that doesn't mean the atrix has them right, just look at the screen compared to a well calibrated computer monitor.
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It has to be reiterated. The oled display technology OVERsaturates the colors. As in, the colors are overly vibrant. The atrix will more accurately display colors.
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The problem is that the LCD on Atrix 4G is not accurate compare to other LCD screens...
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The problem is that the LCD on Atrix 4G is not accurate compare to other LCD screens...
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Bumping this to get some attention on this issue.
I'm considering returning my Atrix because of how bad yellows and blues look, compared to OTHER LCDs, not compared to Super AMOLED screens.
I lined up my Captivate, Atrix, iPod Touch 4, and my wife's HTC Evo Shift and fired up Words with Friends on all of them. While it's clear that the Captivate is oversaturated, if you take that out of the equation, the Atrix's colors just look bad compared to the other two LCDs. The yellow tiles look "dirty" like they have a brown or greenish tint to them. The light blues in the tabs on the home screen of Words with Friends look like they have a greenish tint as well.
I've seen a lot of people say that they think it's one of the greatest displays ever, up there on par with the iPhone 4. If that's true, I really hope mine and other people seeing this just have defective models that can be exchanged.
I'm going into my AT&T store sometime tonight or tomorrow in hopes of putting two or more Atrices side by side to compare.
If anyone else seeing this problem could do the same, it would be very helpful. Especially as it seems likely that a random one pulled out in store could have the same defect.
Scott, I have my atrix boxed up ready to go back for the same issues. I went to the at&t store and looked at their 3 demo units, all of them looked the same.
If you go to a verizon store and play with a motorola droid x you'll see that its screen looks the same as well, it's just whatever panel maker motorola is using. People that are saying "It's the greatest screen evar, just as good as the iphone 4" are suffering new gadget love and can't see the flaws. It's not the worst screen ever but it is a definite step down from other manufacturers screens.
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Scott, I have my atrix boxed up ready to go back for the same issues. I went to the at&t store and looked at their 3 demo units, all of them looked the same.
The screens also look just like the motorola droid x's screen, so it's just whatever panel maker motorola is using. People that are saying "It's the greatest screen evar, just as good as the iphone 4" are suffering new gadget love and can't see the flaws. It's not the worst screen ever but it is a definite step down from other manufacturers screens.
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Thanks for the reply, mjgunn, as sad as it makes me
Just compared it to my iPhone 4 - yellow is way way way off. Can they even fix that? iPhone 4 seems to have the best screen by a long shot...
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Just compared it to my iPhone 4 - yellow is way way way off. Can they even fix that? iPhone 4 seems to have the best screen by a long shot...
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I would have to agree, the iphone4 has a pretty good display. It is a bit oversaturated, but does look pleasing to the eye. The iphone is also much smoother when using the pinch to zoom feature. With the Atrix having a dual core processor, I thought it would at least be on par with the iphone, but for some reason it's definitely not as smooth.
Oh well... just my 2 cents.
So I went in to an AT&T store last night and compared my Atrix with their demo unit.
The colors seem a little bit better, but interestingly, the demo unit's display didn't seem as bright as my Atrix, and it may have had slightly higher contrast.
I got one of the associates to look at it and agree that mine had a slight color cast to it. They said they would do a replacement for me if I came back with my paperwork from my online order, so I said I would do that today or Saturday.
I went straight home and compared my Atrix again to my wife's HTC Evo Shift. In doing that, I still felt like the color on her screen was significantly better than on mine, and in seemed better than I remembered the store's demo unit, as well.
So, I think I need to get my phone and her phone both in there, side by side with the demo unit, and see if I could live with the screen if it was exactly the same as the demo unit. I think probably yes, given the other major advantages of this phone (qHD resolution, Tegra 2, 1GB RAM), but as a graphic designer, bad colors are hard for me to take. And colors that are off in the way the Atrix's screen is off are a graver sin to me than oversaturating a la Super AMOLED.
Bottom line, I'm still on the fence. Has anyone else done any other tests?
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I would have to agree, the iphone4 has a pretty good display. It is a bit oversaturated, but does look pleasing to the eye.
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Wait, so now the iPhone's IPS LCD is oversaturated too? Let's face it: Atrix is weak on colors -thanks to the RGBW PenTile display, where they tried to prolong its life by replacing some Blue tiles with White tiles -which makes colors pale.
It does look great with flesh tones though. Ill give it that.
People who complain about wrong colors have been looking at way oversaturated screens... as a semi advanced photographer, I can agree that the atrix screen is very very good color wise ...
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People who complain about wrong colors have been looking at way oversaturated screens... as a semi advanced photographer, I can agree that the atrix screen is very very good color wise ...
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Or they got an Atrix with a defective display, like me. Ony my Atrix, there's no getting around the fact that yellows look dirty and brown, and that certain shades of blue look greenish.
After everyone saying that it's soooo different and no one can tell its even Pentile, I thought I would love this phone, especially with it's thinness!
Went to verizon today to check it out (they had one on display). Still obviously pentile. Granted, a LITTLE better than the bionic, but it's still no where as close to as crisp as ANY phone that doesnt sport the Pentile matrix, like the thunderbolt, iphone, even blackberry Torch.
I don't know about you all, but I CAN'T STAND IT. It's so ugly to me to have jagged looking edges and lines through you're screen. My old Blackberry Storm 1 did better than this.
I'm really hoping the pentile on the Galaxy Nexus is better than this, or else I'm just still going to be wishing I had something like the galaxy SII
Hey, thanks for your opinion, I am interested in what people who have actually seen the thing in person have to say. The stores near me dont have it on display yet so I appreciate the info!!
If u like this phone just buy it, forget abt the screen and battery, just buy and enjoy.
It'll be the same thing probably on the Nexus. It really isn't that big of a deal so don't worry about it.
Yeah it really isn't THAT big of a deal but I just don't understand what's so hard about using a little bit better of a screen. I think the nexus will at least make up for the screen with ics and the on screen buttons and NFC. Though much thicker :/. I can't wait to really feel how light this razr is once its out of the display clunky holder thing.
It felt reallllyyyy light even with that thing on there and the thinness is incredible. I sold my bionic a few weeks ago and I have been using a 4s, and I'm getting so sick of not having my 4g. This razr will be a nice change, though the screen definitely looks subpar. I just wish there was a phone on Verizon that I could show to apple fanboys and them not say that their retina display looks better. Because, fact of the matter is, it does look much better(the retina display).
It's almost sad to me that Motorola and Samsung and such brag about their screens being 720p and such when their pixel densities are still less than the retina display, and the pentile is still obvious(assuming the nexus is still the same).
I don't know, I'm just ranting.
The razr did feel very quick however, and the camera app worked VERY WELL. The shutter lag was very low! Much faster than the bionic and it reminded me of a galaxy nexus video displaying the no shutter lag. Though the pictures weren't what I was used to with the 4s, they still turned out pretty nice looking.
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Yeah it really isn't THAT big of a deal but I just don't understand what's so hard about using a little bit better of a screen. I think the nexus will at least make up for the screen with ics and the on screen buttons and NFC. Though much thicker :/. I can't wait to really feel how light this razr is once its out of the display clunky holder thing.
It felt reallllyyyy light even with that thing on there and the thinness is incredible. I sold my bionic a few weeks ago and I have been using a 4s, and I'm getting so sick of not having my 4g. This razr will be a nice change, though the screen definitely looks subpar. I just wish there was a phone on Verizon that I could show to apple fanboys and them not say that their retina display looks better. Because, fact of the matter is, it does look much better(the retina display).
It's almost sad to me that Motorola and Samsung and such brag about their screens being 720p and such when their pixel densities are still less than the retina display, and the pentile is still obvious(assuming the nexus is still the same).
I don't know, I'm just ranting.
The razr did feel very quick however, and the camera app worked VERY WELL. The shutter lag was very low! Much faster than the bionic and it reminded me of a galaxy nexus video displaying the no shutter lag. Though the pictures weren't what I was used to with the 4s, they still turned out pretty nice looking.
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I know what you can show them! Show them the iphone 5 while they still have the 4s! Jk jk. On a serious note think about the screen sizes, 3.7 vs 4.3 and 4.65, they don't even compare. Yes it looks sharp and such, wait till they do a 4 + inch screen, and then if they can keep the same pixel density more power to them. But seriously I've been through 5 phones this year on Verizon alone: 1.) Thunderbolt 2.) Droid Charge 3.) Droid x2 4.) Droid 3 5.) Droid Bionic . To be honest the X2 screen was the worse out of them all, that phone was just utter garbage. The Droid 3 and Bionic screens although pentile, were still acceptable for day to day use and netflix. Seriously if I want breathtaking visuals I'll go home and watch something on my dual 30 inch setup.
Were you disgusted with the display on your Bionic? If you can't stomach the pentile display... There's always the HTC Rezound that you could go for. I will personally wait for the RAZR to come to my anxiously awaiting hands via fedex 11/11 by 10 am gg priority shipping. If the screen is that terrible but I like the speed/feel of the phone I'll probably stick with it. To me high quality build is a HUGE factor, I can't stand HTC/Samsung's cheap plastic build. In the end it's your own personal preferences, I'm not bothered at all by the sub pentile matrix.
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I know what you can show them! Show them the iphone 5 while they still have the 4s! Jk jk. On a serious note think about the screen sizes, 3.7 vs 4.3 and 4.65, they don't even compare. Yes it looks sharp and such, wait till they do a 4 + inch screen, and then if they can keep the same pixel density more power to them. But seriously I've been through 5 phones this year on Verizon alone: 1.) Thunderbolt 2.) Droid Charge 3.) Droid x2 4.) Droid 3 5.) Droid Bionic . To be honest the X2 screen was the worse out of them all, that phone was just utter garbage. The Droid 3 and Bionic screens although pentile, were still acceptable for day to day use and netflix. Seriously if I want breathtaking visuals I'll go home and watch something on my dual 30 inch setup.
Were you disgusted with the display on your Bionic? If you can't stomach the pentile display... There's always the HTC Rezound that you could go for. I will personally wait for the RAZR to come to my anxiously awaiting hands via fedex 11/11 by 10 am gg priority shipping. If the screen is that terrible but I like the speed/feel of the phone I'll probably stick with it. To me high quality build is a HUGE factor, I can't stand HTC/Samsung's cheap plastic build. In the end it's your own personal preferences, I'm not bothered at all by the sub pentile matrix.
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OK ... this post is going to sound antagonistic but it REALLY isnt meant that way ....
are we putting too much emphasis on this Pentile issue ? I mean most of us are upgrading from phones that are a year or two old (in my case an original HTC Desire).
I assume (correct me if im wrong) that the RAZR screen (and the Nexus screen and Rezound screen - not coming to the UK) will blow my Desire screen out of the water !?
Seriously ... I have very good vision but am I genuinely going to spot Pentile without going right up to the screen and looking for it.
I think my Desire is Pentile isnt it ? and ive never considered that blocky or seen any halo effect and thats a much lower resolution !?!
Please dont take offence if you really do notice the difference but im just trying to get some perspective into this discussion .....
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OK ... this post is going to sound antagonistic but it REALLY isnt meant that way ....
are we putting too much emphasis on this Pentile issue ? I mean most of us are upgrading from phones that are a year or two old (in my case an original HTC Desire).
I assume (correct me if im wrong) that the RAZR screen (and the Nexus screen and Rezound screen - not coming to the UK) will blow my Desire screen out of the water !?
Seriously ... I have very good vision but am I genuinely going to spot Pentile without going right up to the screen and looking for it.
I think my Desire is Pentile isnt it ? and ive never considered that blocky or seen any halo effect and thats a much lower resolution !?!
Please dont take offence if you really do notice the difference but im just trying to get some perspective into this discussion .....
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No offense taken at all! I am very attention to detail, and yes you can notice the pixelation to some level (more so on the droid x2 (the most) droid 3 bionic not enough to bother me). I can't personally say anything about the RAZR, but looking at the color saturation looks nice. To be honest I really don't care if it is pixelated even slightly. The OP is the one making the fit about the PenTile display. I don't agree with him, but he is entitled to his opinion, and I will respect that. In the end it's all about personal preference, I for one am okay with the PenTile technology. The main gripe I'd say besides the blocky/jagged text would be the discoloration, but the AMOLED on the RAZR seems to take care of that.
Edit: Derp iPhone screen 3.5 D:.
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No offense taken at all! I am very attention to detail, and yes you can notice the pixelation to some level (more so on the droid x2 (the most) droid 3 bionic not enough to bother me). I can't personally say anything about the RAZR, but looking at the color saturation looks nice. To be honest I really don't care if it is pixelated even slightly. The OP is the one making the fit about the PenTile display. I don't agree with him, but he is entitled to his opinion, and I will respect that. In the end it's all about personal preference, I for one am okay with the PenTile technology. The main gripe I'd say besides the blocky/jagged text would be the discoloration, but the AMOLED on the RAZR seems to take care of that.
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sorry .... i probably 'quoted' the wrong post
just trying to suggest that this is probably going to be a better display than what most of us 'currently' have and probably in the top 5 (?) displays out on the market (or due out imminently) ???
or am i wrong .... ?
construction ALONE is a good enough reason to get this.
The cheap 4$ plastic of the Sasmsungs doesn't justify even a 1080p display, it just looks and feels like 98' cheap gameboy.... Not to mention the SGS screen is one of the worst in the industry today with absolutely NO WHITES and a green hue all over the place.. It's just a very bad engineered screen to fit Samsung's cheap phone.
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construction ALONE is a good enough reason to get this.
The cheap 4$ plastic of the Sasmsungs doesn't justify even a 1080p display, it just looks and feels like 98' cheap gameboy.... Not to mention the SGS screen is one of the worst in the industry today with absolutely NO WHITES and a green hue all over the place.. It's just a very bad engineered screen to fit Samsung's cheap phone.
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True ... construction is a biggy for me. i run a junior football squad (soccer for our American friends) and my phone is often used in the wind and rain around mud etc.
My Desire has stood up pretty well but (in my opinion) the Desire has been the last of the 'sturdy' HTC builds .... to be honest I really fancy a change from HTC too. Will I miss sense ? possibly, however my current 'build' is a Senseless ROM anyway.
I like the look of the RAZR, and need an SD slot (or at least 32gb - which seems to rule out the UK Nexus). Wavering, but the RAZR is still front runner ....
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sorry .... i probably 'quoted' the wrong post
just trying to suggest that this is probably going to be a better display than what most of us 'currently' have and probably in the top 5 (?) displays out on the market (or due out imminently) ???
or am i wrong .... ?
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Yes it will be one of the "better' displays on the market for sure. Regardless of it having a PenTile matrix, it still has good color saturation and unmatched visibility outdoors. I will have my RAZR in another 2-3 days or so, and I will report back here with how the screen is.
I was disgusted by the screen because I wanted it to be leaps and bounds better than the bionic screen, and it wasn't. It was just slightly better.
You all will love you're phones I'm sure, I'm just a snob about the pentiles. For some reason I can't stand it. Especially after looking at the gsII screens. bleh.
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I was disgusted by the screen because I wanted it to be leaps and bounds better than the bionic screen, and it wasn't. It was just slightly better.
You all will love you're phones I'm sure, I'm just a snob about the pentiles. For some reason I can't stand it. Especially after looking at the gsII screens. bleh.
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Me too. But after playing with one for about 10 min the screen on the razr looks beautiful to me. And with the bionic right next to it, I see a huge difference. Thats just me though.
Sir, if you think the SGS-II screen is a better screen, then your statement regarding the Razr screen kinda loses some of it's validity because scientifically, the SGS-II screen is showing you FAKE colors, the white is really really dark, under ANY brightness setting, and the rest of the picture is GREEN in such high levels that it's an insult to any good set of eyes.
In the comparison pictures I have seen, the RAZR's panel, although similar, has MUCH better whites and less of a green hue.
If you meant that you liked the SMOOTHNESS of the SGS screen, in term of pixel arrangement, then maybe ! I'll see when I get one.
The way I see it, the IPHONE has the most advanced, natural display on the market today... Nothing comes close really.
BUT the overall package of the RAZR is what's appealing.
thank you for your thoughts.
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Sir, if you think the SGS-II screen is a better screen, then your statement regarding the Razr screen kinda loses some of it's validity because scientifically, the SGS-II screen is showing you FAKE colors, the white is really really dark, under ANY brightness setting, and the rest of the picture is GREEN in such high levels that it's an insult to any good set of eyes.
In the comparison pictures I have seen, the RAZR's panel, although similar, has MUCH better whites and less of a green hue.
If you meant that you liked the SMOOTHNESS of the SGS screen, in term of pixel arrangement, then maybe ! I'll see when I get one.
The way I see it, the IPHONE has the most advanced, natural display on the market today... Nothing comes close really.
BUT the overall package of the RAZR is what's appealing.
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I would MUCH rather have th SGSII screen than the Razr's. Like I said, the pentile is just horrible in my opinion. Maybe you're right about the greens and all. I'm just saying first impressions, when I picked up the phone, the pentile was noticeable. Make me look back at my iphone and be like, wtf is this?
This is what Gizmodo's review says about the screen:
"We ragged on the Bionic's screen pretty hard. The RAZR's is a lot better. It's not perfect, but it's better. The new Droid's screen is Super AMOLED Advanced. What does the "Advanced" mean? Seriously, nobody has any idea, which means it's probably just marketing speak. "Advanced" aside, its Super AMOLEDness delivers deep blacks and vivid, accurate colors. There's still some pixilation, though. In fact, it's almost as severe as the Bionic's, but with the increased saturation and straight-up deliciousness, it doesn't draw your attention quite as much. It's certainly not as sharp as the 720p display on the HTC Rezound or the iPhone 4S' Retina, but it certainly won't make your eyes bleed."
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2011/11/mobile-monday-motorola-razr-review/
I gotta say I really don't care whether it is pentile or RGB, I just want to be able to view sites in desktop mode without having to zoom in, (sites like engadget), and still be able to CLEARLY read text beyond the like headlines. At this point, I have yet to see a pentile screen where I can do this...
I was disappointed when I got a Nexus S because I couldn't view pages as well as I used to on my much older Motorola Milestone (Droid 1). And the Atrix, even with its qHD display appeared to be a step backwards from the Milestone. This is one of the things I like to do to test out a new phone, and I have a feeling the RAZR will disappoint in this regard. Out of all of the phones I have checked out lately, the HTC Raider (Vivid in the US) appears to have the clearest rendering of websites in full desktop mode. Regardless, the RAZR's screen is still a step forward and I would really like to see it in person, but until then, threads like this and OP's opinion provide an interesting read.
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... i played with the razr for 10min and i just can say it`s a great device, pure black, nice reading ... pentile or not, cool phone.
Seriously at this point with the whole issue of contesting the SLCD 2 as "better", would you ever settle for a non-oled screen?
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Honestly, I think all the new screens look amazing. Ours especially, everyone I know with a smartphone they always get upset when they realize they don't have a Samsung with such a good screen.
This is my first Samsung phone, previously all i've had was HTC phones.. I'll say the last htc phone i had was the thunderbolt and sensation(yeah qHD.. not that great.), and they dont even come close..
YeH I came from an Atrix. The difference is ....astounding.
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I laugh at my Moto Backflip when I see it now and think "how the hell did I even use this thing" haha. I was so close to getting an HTC Inspire when ATT had the refurb GS2 for $10 and am sooooo glad I got it instead. One of the first times I'm not already anxious for my contract to run out to upgrade my phone.
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Before this phone I had the Inspire...I don't think I'll ever buy a phone without a superamoled screen
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YeH I came from an Atrix. The difference is ....astounding.
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That may be an understatement.
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I had the HTC inspire and it dropped calls restarted it ruined my want for any other HTC device
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I too came from the HTC Inspire to the SGS2...and the screen difference is just silly. However I can't knock the Inspire too badly...it was my first Android phone after owning iphones for 4 years straight and it was a pleasant experience. Lots of dev support too.
But no question I prefer Samsung now.
I love my G S II, and the vibrant screen. But, I haven't spent any time with the ONE X. Isn't that the first time any one (like a reviewer, professional etc, not a user here on xda) has claimed the SLCD 2 to be better than SAMOLED(+)? I've heard complaints that colors are oversaturated on the SAMOLED screens, but that's it. I prefer my screen over my wife's iPhone 4, but mostly because of size.
I have no loyalty to SAMOLED, I wouldn't let that drive my decision. I don't worry about technology details, I want to see and use it. The GS II has the best screen I've seen and used in person (I haven't had an opportunity to really play with the Galaxy Nexus either). I think I would prefer GS III over ONE X, but not because of the screen. If anything, the consensus is the ONE X screen takes the cake. I do have some loyalty to Samsung, though. Its been a long time since I've seen a really nice HTC, and I'm hesitant to jump on the first one.
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In the last two years I've had the Inspire, iPhone 4, Infuse, and SGS2.
The Inspire had the worst screen. I prefer the Infuse and SGS2 over the iPhone 4 screen despite the lower resolution.
I will not get a phone without SAMOLED unless the model has an engineering flaw (ie Galaxy S nonfunctional GPS). I love the deep black and vivid colors.
* I just wanted to add... The argument that a SAMOLED 1280x720 pentile screen doesn't look good is BS. Having played with a friend's Note, I can honestly say I cannot notice the pentile layout.
I recently checked out the galaxy nexus screen in person and wow, the pentile is no big deal! It's just so great seeing real blacks, especially in the dark.. Makes it look like things are floating
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I don't know why, but sammy's infuse samoled looks better than my I777.... The last one looks green-ish
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SAMOLED screens have true blacks... because those pixels are turned off... but the new SLCD2 screens have true whites where as SAMOLED whites have a blueish tint because they tend to run colder.
It depends on what you like.
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I don't know why, but sammy's infuse samoled looks better than my I777.... The last one looks green-ish
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Same here. My previous phone (Infuse) also had the trademark over-saturated popping out colors, but whites were very white and it was overall an amazing screen. For some reason, my SII's screen is a little bit dull and greenish as well, with whites not being quite as white, if not kind of yellowish.
Interestingly, I compared my SII's screen with my friend's (also SII) and they were very different. My friend's was more like my Infuse's, with crisp whites and the poppy colors. For some reason, it's just some SII units that seem to have a darkened/dulled out whites kind of screen. I don't know if it's a hardware issue or a software one, but regardless, it is the only thing right now that is preventing me from thinking my SII is flawless.
Someone else also told me that AMOLED screens can be a bit inconsistent and so the variation between even same units can be noticeable. That didn't really make me feel better because that just means I got the poopy screen while someone else got the nice one =_=
Went from a vibrant to a sensation. Blacks on SAMOLED are amazing, but I can totally live with LCD. One thing I could not live at all with is the burn in effect on AMOLED. This drove me crazy, as much as I loved the colors, I couldn't live with that.
I have a perfect screen luckily
I've never had the burn in effect
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Went from a vibrant to a sensation. Blacks on SAMOLED are amazing, but I can totally live with LCD. One thing I could not live at all with is the burn in effect on AMOLED. This drove me crazy, as much as I loved the colors, I couldn't live with that.
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I don't think the screen has actual burn in unless the screen is on an absurd amount of time, like a demo. If you are referring to what I think you are, its more like ghosting.
The captivate did this too. I could see what looked like burn in from the clock over certain colors. The xda app splash screen was an easy one to pick it out. Its worse on my GS II. The funny thing is the areas that are black in the notification shade cause a bigger effect than the areas lit up. I see the top bar being a little dulled, except the areas I would expect burn in, like the clock or signal. Because its reversed and black causes more discoloration I believe what I heard in the captivate days. It'd residual energy build up or something. They compared it to an e-ink screen. If the screen doesn't get a full refresh you see ghosts of images that look burned in. But you can clear them by refreshing the whole screen. A reboot for me almost always makes the effect go away. It then slowly accumulates and gets worse. The residual image also changes as I change ROMs or themes.
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Yeah, I love the sAMOLED+ on my i777.
But, I will say that while the blacks are deep and lovely, the whites have a very very slight tinge of coolness (blue) to them, which in certain conditions is annoying to me. I tend to only really notice when I look from my nice IPS computer monitor down to my phone.
Sometimes the colors are a little too saturated for me. I wish saturation was adjustable. Anyone know any tricks?
I had an Atrix with the pentile display before, and while the whites were a bit more neutral, the pentile-ness was definitely perceivable. There's a granularity that doesn't happen on my GS2.
I kinda miss that lapdock though.
I'm thinking about buying the Galaxy S III, but the Pentile screen is really holding me back. I mean, why buy a device with a screen that looks bad and has to be looked at for several hours a week?
I've heard that at high resolution, Pentile screens don't matter. But I want some opinions from all you people out there.
And what would you expect to see looking at a poor quality entitle screen?
My s3 is probably the clearest looking screen I've looked upon
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I've read some of the older device reviews on tech websites and whenever the device had a Pentile screen, the review always criticized it.
I'll trust Samsung on this, since there pretty good at making screens.
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I've read some of the older device reviews on tech websites and whenever the device had a Pentile screen, the review always criticized it.
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Older AMOLED Pentile Display were bad because they have a low ppi (240ppi on the SGS1)
But SGS3 screen has a 306ppi and the "pentile effect" seems to be not there (at least I do not see it on my SGS3
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Older AMOLED Pentile Display were bad because they have a low ppi (240ppi on the SGS1)
But SGS3 screen has a 306ppi and the "pentile effect" seems to be not there (at least I do not see it on my SGS3
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No matter what? Even if you're holding it like a inch away from your phone? I usually use my iPod touch (I have a Blackberry phone, it sucks for web browsing) when in the mornings when I don't feel like getting out of my bed. I usually hold it just 6 inches away from my eyes.
My S3 has to be the clearest screen I have ever seen. Had it for a few days now and still doesn't fail to amaze me whenever I turn the screen on.
You don't have to worry about holding it 6 inches or even 2 inches away from your face.
Its really beautiful...much better then my Nexus...
The best way to solve your problem is to go the nearest store and have a look at the demo unit. Don't believe what you hear or read, believe what you see.
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Arsaw said:
The best way to solve your problem is to go the nearest store and have a look at the demo unit. Don't believe what you hear or read, believe what you see.
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This.
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This.
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I live in a semi-rural area. The closest store to me is a over a hour's drive away. My schedule for the next couple weeks is packed, I will not have enough time to go over to the closest store and look at the phones.
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I'm thinking about buying the Galaxy S III, but the Pentile screen is really holding me back. I mean, why buy a device with a screen that looks bad and has to be looked at for several hours a week?
I've heard that at high resolution, Pentile screens don't matter. But I want some opinions from all you people out there.
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I saw the Motorola Droid Razr before I knew what pentile was and I thought it looked weird and pixellated so it's certainely not placebo. At the ppi of the GS3 it doesn't matter imo. I do still notice it (but not like I can count the pixels.. but it just is a little bit different then normal rgb screens) but the screen is still somehow the best I've seen in a phone.
You shouldn't keep yourself from buying it because of this as it not even really noticable, it's the best screen there is imo and it even spares some battery.
I can notice the pentile effect if I stare hard at the screen from less than 10cm away. I've compared my S3 to the HOX and the HOX does indeed has a finer screen. But still the S3 has one amazing screen. The blacks are much better although the colours seems a little over saturated and slightly on the warm side.
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I live in a semi-rural area. The closest store to me is a over a hour's drive away. My schedule for the next couple weeks is packed, I will not have enough time to go over to the closest store and look at the phones.
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Well then I guess you have two options 1.) Wait two weeks and then go look at the phone 2.) Go with a different phone.
The only time I notice the pentile screen is whilst reading some text. It is barely recognisable but if and when you notice it you'll subconsciously start to look out for it. But it is very minor indeed, and changing the font of text helps to more or less eradicate it.
Aside from that minor quibble re text I have to say that this screen is absolutely awesome. Colours and contrast are absolutely amazing. I tend to set the screen mode to Natural as I think this gives the best colour effect.
I know this screen is awesome because when I switch from it to my iPad 3's retina screen I don't feel any degradation, if anything pictures and videos look better on it than on the iPad 3 - and that's saying something!
Does this screen have the same issues as the Galaxy Nexus screen? Purple tint at low bright setting and whites looking like old yellow newspaper?
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Does this screen have the same issues as the Galaxy Nexus screen? Purple tint at low bright setting and whites looking like old yellow newspaper?
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I didn't own the G Nexus, but there is no purple tint at low brightness. My S2 had a slight yet noticeable yellowing at low brightness - this does not
Yes, if you will use the phone under a magnifying glass
"Super Amoled Plus" will never work with High Resolution. They are not designed for that.
Move up dude
I my opinion It is noticeable, but only at ~3" away and I do have 20/20 vision but in any other situation It's fine, I have even fooled a few friends who own an s2 that it was a 'plus' display but as above you are best going to have a look
Its noticeable, coming from an Xperia S (which I gave to my wife for this phone) and having a G Note which died before the Xperia S, its the same for me as the G Note.
It's mainly around fonts and small icons which is more noticeable, definitely not in pictures unless you have super vision, but most of the time you're looking at fonts or small icons, so yes its there.
But FWIW I wouldn't trade it for the contrast, I've never owned a phone with such contrast (actually the Note was the same), but having said that in sunlight forget using this phone, side by side in sunlight with the Xperia S, the Sony wins hands down.
Hi all,
I am not trying to flame here. I know people have different views and opinions of screen "quality". I'm just going to express my sincere opinions...thank you for any input...
I was just at a Verizon and AT&T Store. My main concern is brightness, though, secondarily, the jaggedness of PenTile.
I looked at the S II Sky Rocket and Note. And the Nexus at Verizon. All these AMOLED displays were incredibly dim, at least to my eye. Of course they had ghosting/burn in, too but I presume (I hope!) that's just because the display models are left on. But compared to even my Droid 2 the AMOLED displays were literally HALF the brightness (approximately, to my eye), of my Droid 2. The One X and Rezound of course blow it out of the water. I was thoroughly unimpressed with the "brilliant" color of OLED too. No point if it's as dim as an LCD on lowest brightness. Plus there were was the terrible tint on them all. Even straight on, but especially from even a tiny angle. And I saw the Pentile blurriness with the "color" around edges. And my vision is bad. Although I guess it wasn't that bad from at least two feet away, like normal distance for most tasks, but it was bad close which I sometimes do when using my phone.
Is the Galaxy S III screen as dim as the S II or Note or Nexus?
I am just wondering if this is a universal thing, where OLED is just dim, due to inherent qualities of OLED? I searched a bit and apparently the "nits" are much lower according to this xda thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-1679964.html. Oddly enough I found reviews and users saying they found it too bright which surprised me. I'd love to be pleasantly surprised and have S III be brighter than previous SAMOLED handsets!
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Hi all,
I am not trying to flame here. I know people have different views and opinions of screen "quality". I'm just going to express my sincere opinions...thank you for any input...
I was just at a Verizon and AT&T Store. My main concern is brightness, though, secondarily, the jaggedness of PenTile.
I looked at the S II Sky Rocket and Note. And the Nexus at Verizon. All these AMOLED displays were incredibly dim, at least to my eye. Of course they had ghosting/burn in, too but I presume (I hope!) that's just because the display models are left on. But compared to even my Droid 2 the AMOLED displays were literally HALF the brightness (approximately, to my eye), of my Droid 2. The One X and Rezound of course blow it out of the water. I was thoroughly unimpressed with the "brilliant" color of OLED too. No point if it's as dim as an LCD on lowest brightness. Plus there were was the terrible tint on them all. Even straight on, but especially from even a tiny angle. And I saw the Pentile blurriness with the "color" around edges. And my vision is bad. Although I guess it wasn't that bad from at least two feet away, like normal distance for most tasks, but it was bad close which I sometimes do when using my phone.
Is the Galaxy S III screen as dim as the S II or Note or Nexus?
I am just wondering if this is a universal thing, where OLED is just dim, due to inherent qualities of OLED? I searched a bit and apparently the "nits" are much lower according to this xda thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-1679964.html. Oddly enough I found reviews and users saying they found it too bright which surprised me. I'd love to be pleasantly surprised and have S III be brighter than previous SAMOLED handsets!
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I own a GS2(I777), a GNexus, and and now a GS3. I'm running AOKP on the GS2 and GNexus. I can't comment on the Note as I've never used one. I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. Were you looking at them through a welder's mask?
Compared to a Droid 2? I was showing my S3 to my buddy who has a RAZR MAXX today. My screen is better and it ain't even close. He agreed completely.
And BTW, if you are asking a question, don't you think the Q & A section would be a better place to ask it?
I had an SGS2 and the brightness was more than bright enough for being in direct sunlight. Sure, it could have been a LITTLE brighter but I never had problems reading anything on the screen. It was also very crisp due to the true RGB stripe.
The Note has a PenTile pixel arrangement but due to the high resolution it's a non-issue. The same is true with the SGS3. Of course OLED displays aren't going to match LCD in sharpness or brightness, but the true blacks and vibrant colors look beautiful to me.
Wait for it to be in the store and then go take a look. But please don't say the displays on the SGS2 or the Note suck, because they really don't. Compare them side-by-side with a One X and you'll see a difference, but you will never be using it side-by-side in real world use. If you like super bright screens with white so white it'll burn your retinas, go for an LCD screen. If you like true blacks and punchy colors (that you can adjust the punchiness of) then go with an AMOLED. But saying AMOLED screens suck is just stupid.
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I have the S1,S2 and S2 HD LTE and the screens are bright as a greasy bald head under direct sunlight. I have my brightness settings to about 15%-20%. My friends with iPhone 4s' even say its too bright. I put my S2 HD LTE next to my friends GS3 and my screen is actually better. I'll post some pics up later.
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The Note has a PenTile pixel arrangement but due to the high resolution it's a non-issue. The same is true with the SGS3. Of course OLED displays aren't going to match LCD in sharpness or brightness, but the true blacks and vibrant colors look beautiful to me.
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The Note having a high resolution did not make it a non-issue.
I went from:
iPhone 4S - Galaxy Note - HTC One X
Screen Clarity went:
Amazing - Noticeable jagged edges but not horrible - AMAZING
I'm hoping I don't notice the jaggys as much when my S3 arrives due to the smaller screen size yet still high resolution. Just holding a Galaxy Note on it's own though I can definitely tell a difference, there doesn't have to be a side to side comparison. It was just "Well this looks pretty good, but it is not perfectly sharp like my iphone or htc one X look" It just kind've has an overall lower resolution look to it due to the pentile arrangement, but I didn't find it a deal breaker.
I didn't find the brightness an issue though, it IS too bright at 100% brightness. I liked my Note at around 50-70% brightness.
My friend has a Note and I haven't noticed jaggies using it, and I have 20/15 vision. It's a pretty beautiful screen in my opinion.
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I have the S1,S2 and S2 HD LTE and the screens are bright as a greasy bald head under direct sunlight. I have my brightness settings to about 15%-20%. My friends with iPhone 4s' even say its too bright. I put my S2 HD LTE next to my friends GS3 and my screen is actually better. I'll post some pics up later.
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I probably should have put this in Q & A like mentioned, my bad.
But I'm puzzled by responses like above. I guess my eyes are very sensitive. I will agree different people have different perceptions. But I found the S II very dim even in a dimly lit store. I have a feeling I'd not be able to see it at max. brightness outside. And I love the brightness on iPhone and Droid LCD screens. It's wonderful. Even those are a bit dim outside but they are okay. Inside they are wonderful.
Hmm I'm worried if your S II is better than an S III that does not bode well. I hope perhaps the store model was messed up somehow. I know those get abused. Thank you also for your time everyone. I should have not said suck in the title but I wanted to emphasize I found the Nexus, S II and Note VERY dim, to my eyes at least. I figured the AT&T S III forum would be good since they're already shipping...Thanks again all.
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But I found the S II very dim even in a dimly lit store. I have a feeling I'd not be able to see it at max. brightness outside. And I love the brightness on iPhone and Droid LCD screens. It's wonderful. Even those are a bit dim outside but they are okay. Inside they are wonderful.
Hmm I'm worried if your S II is better than an S III that does not bode well. I hope perhaps the store model was messed up somehow. I know those get abused. Thank you also for your time everyone. I should have not said suck in the title but I wanted to emphasize I found the Nexus, S II and Note VERY dim, to my eyes at least. I figured the AT&T S III forum would be good since they're already shipping...Thanks again all.
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Something is/was wrong with all of those phones, then, because they are plenty bright, even in direct sunlight. That, or you were wearing sunglasses the entire time. The iPhone is extremely bright, and I have actually hurt my eyes looking at it on full brightness if the room is not bright. Maybe you have less sensitive eyes than you thought. Not insulting you, just saying that my SGS2 was plenty bright and the iPhone 4 I'm using now is even brighter. I don't know how bright it really needs to be.
I don't know what dimness you see.. But you could always turn up the brightness. The gs3 display is beautiful. Way better than the s2. It looks brighter and just has better color. I love it. The viewing angles are amazing.
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My S3 is set at about 45% and is a great level. If you set it at 100% it is really bright and I cannot see how anyone would complain that 100% is not bright enough.
The screen is also very sharp and looks fantastic.
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The Note having a high resolution did not make it a non-issue.
I went from:
iPhone 4S - Galaxy Note - HTC One X
Screen Clarity went:
Amazing - Noticeable jagged edges but not horrible - AMAZING
I'm hoping I don't notice the jaggys as much when my S3 arrives due to the smaller screen size yet still high resolution. Just holding a Galaxy Note on it's own though I can definitely tell a difference, there doesn't have to be a side to side comparison. It was just "Well this looks pretty good, but it is not perfectly sharp like my iphone or htc one X look" It just kind've has an overall lower resolution look to it due to the pentile arrangement, but I didn't find it a deal breaker.
I didn't find the brightness an issue though, it IS too bright at 100% brightness. I liked my Note at around 50-70% brightness.
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If you find the note to have visible pentile pixelation then it will be worse on the gs3 due to heavy sharpening applied. I know because I compared the 2 side by side.
btw the HTC one x display is pretty poor even by gs3 standard. The gamma is washed out and yellows and oranges are overblown to the point that skintones looks horrible. Text while sharper than on amoled displays suffer from poor contrast making it even harder to read.
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btw the HTC one x display is pretty poor even by gs3 standard. The gamma is washed out and yellows and oranges are overblown to the point that skintones looks horrible. Text while sharper than on amoled displays suffer from poor contrast making it even harder to read.
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I don't think you're thinking of the right phone. Every review states the HTC One X is the best display on any phone they have ever seen... And most Galaxy S3 reviews make a comparison saying it's good but not near as good as the One X display.
For example here is the Techie-Buzz.com review
"The display on the one X is too good to be true and the color and temperature reproductions are the most accurate I have ever seen on a phone."
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I don't think you're thinking of the right phone. Every review states the HTC One X is the best display on any phone they have ever seen... And most GS3 reviews make a comparison saying it's not as good as the One X display.
For example here is the Techie-Buzz.com review
"The display on the one X is too good to be true and the color and temperature reproductions are the most accurate I have ever seen on a phone."
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Agreed. I do graphics sometimes. By nature of what I do, I deal with image processing at times.
All these OLED phones were dim to my eye. And it was in a moderately lit store so it's a charitable scenario. LCDs blew the AMOLEDS out of the water in birghtness, sharpness, and yes, color accuracy, in my eye at least.
I like my screens bright, though. I use my MacBook Pro at 100%, nice and bright. I use my Droid at 100% always also. All OLED displays I've seen are very dim. What blows me away is everyone saying they are TOO bright. I'm really surprised by that!!!!
I guess I shall see when my S III arrives... Honestly, if I even have tint or ink marks I'll swap it for some other 4G phone. I wish one phone could have it all but it seems there's always a tradeoff. Unfortunately, I value screen quality more than specs and dev support, even though I was reeeally looking forward to all the other awesomeness of the S III. But with a dim screen all of that is useless to me...if I can't see it! I'll post my impressions when it's in...
Also I know this is kind of a negative thread but I'm really impressed by the XDA community. I found my way here after pre-ordering my S III and seeking more info. Everyone here is so quick to reply, knowledgeable, willing to intensely and intelligently discuss everything about phones and tech. Cheers to the XDA community.
That's dim to you? The picture was taken by my daughters Exeria Mini with flash on.
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Well I just used S III in store again. And compared to my Droid 2 it looks like crap. And my Droid 2 looks like crap compared to HTC One X.
I just used an Incredible 4G LTE. Well, it was nice and bright and sharp. It's LCD. It's small and low-res though. I'm very sad about this but I think I'll have to pick the Incredible 4G.
S III has everything else about it perfect. But the screen is so dim and crappy, to my eyes. Also HTC Inc 4G boot loader is unlocked. Although with the firestorm brewing here maybe VZW will eventually unlock your boot loaders. My S III still isn't in yet but I think I'm 90% of the way to deciding to get the Inc 4G. Really wish S III had LCD. :/
Also I have to note: the colors on AMOLED are truly bizarre and over-saturated. Look at Google Maps on an LCD phone compared to an AMOLED phone. On the SIII the orange highways are the color of a traffic cone and the red "A" dot over my city is the color red of a red laser pointer. Nuts. Way over-saturated. It's just annoying. AMOLED, speaking as a graphics pro, to me it just does not look like it's ready for use yet. I think Samsung jumped the gun. It's got almost no advantages and a ton of drawbacks. SLCD simply destroys it in every way. It's making me rather sad I'm getting a puny little Droid Incredible 4 because the SAMOLED screen is so crappy.
The notes display doesn't suck at all....wth are u talking about??? Check ur eyes
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The notes display doesn't suck at all....wth are u talking about??? Check ur eyes
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Have you looked at it then looked at an LCD?
Sorry it is WAY DIMMER. this is a FACT. Open up Google News in an LCD and AMOLED phone. Compare. What do you think? Specifically, how white does white look on AMOLED?
And: ink marks, tint, black crush, over saturation, burn in, etc. on AMOLED.
I'm trying to be objective here. I really just wish Samsung would use LCD. Photos of comparisons do not accurately portray the differences between these two displays at least based on my experiences...you have to see them in person. Although even without seeing an LCD once, as soon as I fired up S III for the first time I was disappointed. I was like oh crap, that's seriously full brightness? Uh oh.
Mine looks great ..definitely not dim...colors look amazing..
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Mine looks great ..definitely not dim...colors look amazing..
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I guess my eyes are just super sensitive.. I never would have thought that. I wear pretty serious glasses even. Ah well. Although I have good night vision. It's not like I need things bright to see them. I just feel like S III is annoying because it's dim. Constantly annoying. Can't deal with that for 2 years, no way.
Perhaps sometime next year there will be a phone with all the awesomeness of SIII but with IPS LCD display or a nice AMOLED..
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Mine looks great ..definitely not dim...colors look amazing..
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Same here. My SGS3 is fantastic, I actually prefer it over the HTC One X that I had for nearly a month.
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