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Hi,
I would like to propose the creation of a central reference thread for each sub-forum within the X10mini/pro fora.
They would contain rules, how to search, basics, FAQs, links to rooting, tutorials/guides, mods, themes, apps,... with respect to the respective sub-forum.
To get an idea check e.g. Hero CDMA Android Dev.
This will hopefully
-help organizing the fora more clearly
-prevent the same questions coming up all over again
-provide a useful pool of up-to-date information for both new and experienced users
-reduce everyone's need to search for fundamental things
-negate the need to otherwise sticky so many threads that the fora are just becoming unclear and clogged
You would be responsible to propose threads kept for future reference.
Opinions pls.
Thx and Best, DK
i think we have a thread like the CDMA thread made by dettofatto. the only thing is that we have multiple threads on same topic which could be deleted
just checked them briefly and yes, very good and helpful, not stickied though
so referencing them would be a must but imo wouldn't contradict my proposal about the central thread...
still, that's just me and its about you...will therefore patiently wait for further comments on this
Ed. I can add a poll if you think that's more helpful/faster
Sounds good.. and while we are at it.. get people to stick to the threads.. put all Themes in the Themes and Apps thread (not in Development) keep DEV stuff in the Dev Thread etc.. perhaps add a Newbie Thread where newbs can ask for help with issues so they don't fill the other threads...
Why are there Themes in the Dev section?
But yes a reorg is needed.
Kiwi
My concern is create two separate forums for x10 mini and x10 mini pro
kiwiBratwurst said:
Sounds good.. and while we are at it.. get people to stick to the threads.. put all Themes in the Themes and Apps thread (not in Development) keep DEV stuff in the Dev Thread etc.. perhaps add a Newbie Thread where newbs can ask for help with issues so they don't fill the other threads...
Why are there Themes in the Dev section?
But yes a reorg is needed.
Kiwi
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unfortunately happens regularly, excuses are manyfold and it would be naive to think this project will prevent it
still should be well worth the effort
cleanup and heavy thread shifting will be done anyway, already started but due to time restriction only on the dev fora...but will be continued
Naren Raj said:
My concern is create two separate forums for x10 mini and x10 mini pro
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I assume you mean for all subfora and not only for dev?
are accessories, t&a and so on so different that one cannot be used for/is incompatible to the other device?
then I would talk to admin, so pls enlighten me
I think that is fine and useful to put all important sw,updates and guides in same thread and link discussions only to this thread, of course then each sw has own discussions for help and experiences.
I would like a forum reorg
i also think that there are too many simillar threads, some that are just questions and are very missleading sometimes, also in the wrong place, maybe a structure like
*general
--tutorials/findings/configs/etc
--questions
*developement
--e10i/u20i
---->findings/breakthroughs/tutorials
---->questions
--e10i specific
---->findings/breakthroughs/tutorials
---->questions
--u20i specific
---->findings/breakthroughs/tutorials
---->questions
*themes
--method tutorials
--themes postings
--questions
*requests
or something like that because a reorganization is in need
also i think that there should be a section for both mini and pro because they may be different in hardware, but many methods, apps and ideas frome one work on the other and i feel that sometimes we miss out on developement from one or the other
hi
thx all for the contribution, I waited some time hoping additional ones might be posted, but maybe all are happy with the current suggestions...or waiting for my response...
lets comment:
all devices get as default the layout
xx General
xx Development
xx Accessories
xx Themes & Apps
device specific we have the known two dev fora, one for e10i and one for u20i and I don't think I can convince admin to create another one for shared development
not that I don't see the potential advantage, but I assume "misuse" would dominate so I'm fine as it is
still I also considered it wise to provide a place to collect development results of any kind usable on both devices
so alternately you have to specify dual usage in the thread title and we can also create an additional thread with references on that
reaching certain criteria a separate Q&A can be added, which I personally like very much and will address to admin immediately when a fore mentioned criteria are fulfilled
so as mentioned we are bound to the general forum layout, but what we might achieve could be like this:
*general
---->tutorials/findings/configuration/requests/FAQs/troubleshooting/references/how to/etc
---->e.g. separate thread like "newbies questions here"
---->OT chat thread if you like
*accessories
---->all accessories (batteries, cases, screen protection,...)
*development
--e10i specific
---->development (non app, non theme)/findings/breakthroughs/tutorials/roms/guides/modifications
---->reference thread for everything proven working/usable on both devices
--u20i specific
---->development (non app, non theme)/findings/breakthroughs/tutorials/roms/guides/modifications
*themes and apps
---->method tutorials/themes postings/applications posting/screen shots/miscellaneous (like splash screens,...)
*questions&answers (hopefully soon)
---->for all the rest (when available)
not stating this is finalized but it should give a good idea
comments pls
Cheers, DK
Reorganize! Hellyah!
Reorganize! Hellyah!
I intend to start this weekend, because I won't find the time before, but it's scheduled...
sounds really good!
maybe creating at the theme section a difference for mini and pro, or does the most of them on both models?
I would like to see a Q&A section. It would be nothing but beneficial as a place for people to ask questions without cluttering the general thread.
option94 said:
I would like to see a Q&A section. It would be nothing but beneficial as a place for people to ask questions without cluttering the general thread.
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I already requested it, it will be available as soon as site admin finds the time
I figured that, just throwing my .02 cents out there.
forum is good!but sometimes slows...
kobzarcheg said:
forum is good!but sometimes slows...
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care to elaborate on that?
it is nice...
we will have a new org?
PTGamer said:
we will have a new org?
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there already is as proposed in #1
pls explain in detail what you mean
First, I would like to start this post off by stating that YES I am very new to Android development, please don't flame me for this, as everyone was once a beginner. Second, I have only made one post thus far, so I am trying to abide by the forum rules, I'm hoping that I have chosen the correct section for this thread. I was going to use the development section, but noticed that it was mainly used for posting ROM's, and I didn't want to bloat up the guru's development posts with a commonly 'n00b' post (LoL).
I doubt I need to ask the question, "Where is all the development for the LG Axis AS740?", as I'm sure we all know how crappy of a phone this is, however, I would like to know if there is any current paths I may take towards ROM Development for this particular device? To be more precise, if anyone could point me to any development resources for this phone, it would be very appreciated. I have already installed JAVA JDK, and the Android SDK, so I'm on my way to learning program dev for my device. If I need any help with app development, I know I'm in the right place, as I have a immense respect for you guys here on the XDA forums because of the immense amount of information everyone has worked so hard on, and provided to the users of this forum.
I did notice the post "LG Axis Rom", I browsed it hoping to find my answer there, but no one has responded to the author. I for one do not wish for a senior member, or veteran to magically provide me with their hard work by asking for someone to develop a working ROM for me; as I have seen some poster's do. I am asking that someone be gracious enough to provide me with the information to help me onto the proper path, so that I may have a proper starting point. I have read over a few development sections, but alas, I know how development for one device can be vastly different for another.
Thanks go out to all whom may respond to this thread, and many thanks for your time, and any information you may provide.
Vasdeus
If possible will a moderator please delete this POst....thank you.
Sent from my Milestone X2 using XDA
Hey,
So I have been a regular visitor to this site for about 2 years now ever since I first rooted my HTC desire.
I have downloaded and tested many custom ROM's for the desire and the SGS2.
My recent favorite ROM is resurrection remix which i have been using various builds of since xmas. And only now do I have a question that no one has asked and I cant find an answer to.
Of course since I have never needed to post before when I tried to ask my question it wont let me because i have not made 10 useful comments. The only place I find useful comments is on the development forums. There is nothing specifically that I need from the other ares of the site and so I cannot offer any feedback that would be helpful to others there... the only place I can make useful comments is on the development forums, which is exactly where Im not allowed to make them.
So how does one get around that?
Luke
Probably not, but you can try contacting a moderator, the rule is there to avoid people joining and spamming the dev section with crap, if that isnt your plan they may be able to help you out.
Sent from my GT-I9100 using xda premium
Ok thanks!
I will do that
bidoa said:
Hey,
So I have been a regular visitor to this site for about 2 years now ever since I first rooted my HTC desire.
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So how does one get around that?
Luke
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Exactly the same situation for me (even down to the 2 years and HTC Desire ).
Do what I did and make yourself useful by answering others questions. You'll be surprised how much you actually know
clonski said:
Exactly the same situation for me (even down to the 2 years and HTC Desire ).
Do what I did and make yourself useful by answering others questions. You'll be surprised how much you actually know
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I'm in the same boat bud. Hopefully we will get one day to ask questions in the normal thread. Can't wait.
Sent from my GT-I9100 using xda premium
Personally and apart from the spam issue the ten post thread in dev section is far to low a number one only has to read the inane posts from users with more than ten posts in many dev threads .
But how do you overcome the problem of a large amount of idiots posting who cannot be bothered to read the rules read the faqs or instructions and repetitively ask the same questions .it reflects badly on those who like the OP have taken time to read and learn as they are treated the same .
jje
That rule also stopped me in my tracks. But I can see the point on the development forums.
After the "no you can't" it encouraged me to look harder for answers and ask the (dum) questions on the general forum.
I realize the point is to avoid opening new threads for questions that might be better served in the appropriate development thread, but if you've searched and haven't found your answer I'm sure it wouldn't be a problem to post one in Q&A or General, but make sure you exhausted all search options before you do.
Same for me...To be honest I wanted to answer questions and help members, not to ask myself but... I see the point of the rule, there are too many people that will ask (dum) Q without even bothering to use the search tool and filling the threads with crap when there is no need to...
Solution:
make thread about it.
Answer all who replys
Profit
Sent from my GT-I9100 using xda premium
Also have same problem, I just posted a question here that I feel would be better suited to go in the Dev thread of the ROM I use.
Sent from my GT-I9100 using XDA
Unfortunately, there will be some people (a minority) affected by this rule who probably shouldn't be (those who wouldn't post crap to dev threads from the get go), but at the end of the day it goes some way to reducing the mountains of crap which get posted to dev threads every day (at least 75% of posts in my experience. I'm probably being generous).
Again unfortunately (for the people who would do the right thing if this rule wasn't in place), no system is perfect in this regard. Frankly, I'd rather have the current system in place as opposed to making things open slather. Changing the current rule would make an already bad situation even worse IMHO.
Edit to add - As was suggested on the first page of this thread, you can always plead your case to a mod if you think the rule shouldn't apply to you for whatever reason.
Further edit - Poster above me. Your recent post in Q&A is a prime example of the type of post which should not be cluttering a dev thread. It is a general question, and not specific to a particular rom.
MistahBungle said:
Unfortunately, there will be some people (a minority) affected by this rule who probably shouldn't be (those who wouldn't post crap to dev threads from the get go), but at the end of the day it goes some way to reducing the mountains of crap which get posted to dev threads every day (at least 75% of posts in my experience. I'm probably being generous).
Again unfortunately (for the people who would do the right thing if this rule wasn't in place), no system is perfect in this regard. Frankly, I'd rather have the current system in place as opposed to making things open slather. Changing the current rule would make an already bad situation even worse IMHO.
Edit to add - As was suggested on the first page of this thread, you can always plead your case to a mod if you think the rule shouldn't apply to you for whatever reason.
Further edit - Poster above me. Your recent post in Q&A is a prime example of the type of post which should not be cluttering a dev thread. It is a general question, and not specific to a particular rom.
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A great example of the mountains of crap that spew out of many of the users (if you look in there I'm sure I'm guilty too) in this forum, check out the CM9 discussion thread, imagine if that was in the dev thread, how would codeworkx and the others ever find anything that might be relevant?
Find 10 noobs to help in Q&A section, help said noobs, done.
It's not just about taking.
oinkylicious said:
Find 10 noobs to help in Q&A section, help said noobs, done.
It's not just about taking.
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This is true too, when I started I felt handcuffed by the 10 post limit, but I spent a little time reading posts and using the knowledge I gained to help out others and my post (and thanks) count quickly increased well beyond the limit. Helping others also gave me more understanding to be able to troubleshoot my own problems.
Yep that's exactly right Thracemerin, a perfect example.
I dread getting home from work & having to scroll thru 18 hrs worth/sometimes up to 40 pages of posts in the CM9 discussion thread & 90% of them are utter crap.
You're right, if it were in the dev thread, I think Codeworkx, Xplodwild et al would have given up ages ago.
thracemerin said:
A great example of the mountains of crap that spew out of many of the users in this forum, check out the CM9 discussion thread, imagine if that was in the dev thread, how would codeworkx and the others ever find anything that might be relevant?
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Apologies I stand corrected, I thought it would be ROM related as the only info I could find through search was about adding poweron.ogg to system/etc and making sure permissions are set correctly and this is not working for me.
Sent from my GT-I9100 using XDA
Fair points
I can see the point to it cutting down a number of people who would make useless comments, although the development forums are still littered with idiots who type before they think or even look around for a solution.
OK I'm off to trawl the forums to see who I can help!
bidoa said:
Fair points
I can see the point to it cutting down a number of people who would make useless comments, although the development forums are still littered with idiots who type before they think or even look around for a solution.
OK I'm off to trawl the forums to see who I can help!
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Very simple 99% of posts just need a reply read the f4444 instructions first .
jje
In the stickies on this forum is help for rebooting prooblems and so you think you've bricked your phone. Yet there constantly appears postings about phone rebooting and Please Help I've Bricked My Phone, and by far most of these it is the poster's first posting.
Maybe the rule should be that you cannot start a new thread, in any forum, until you have 10 posts. Every forum has a FAQ thread that they can post on if they have searched on here and can't find anything.
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If you've paid attention to what's been said in this thread and actually apply it to your time here, you'll never be a noob. Instead, what you'll be is a New User (which sounds much nicer).
With all the knowledge you gain from around XDA, you'll definitely be able to help other people out and feel the satisfaction when you have been able to help someone finally solve their problem.
This is how you can give back to the community. I urge you all to stick around and have fun, learn a hell of a lot and get to know people.
I look forward to speaking/interacting with you all
Should you have any problems, questions, concerns or just fancy a chat feel free to Private Message me at any point and I'll be glad to help you out
Time To Let You Know Who The Standout Members Of Our Community Are!
I'll be listing our Forum Specific Moderators, Developers, Recognized Contributors and the most helpful members across this forum.
Xperia Moderators:
'cooleagle'
E.Cadro
Xperia Developers:
This Is Currently A Work In Progress. If Someone Could Possibly Get A List To Me, That Would Be Great.
Xperia Recognized Contributors:
This Is Currently A Work In Progress. If Someone Could Possibly Get A List To Me, That Would Be Great.
Xperia Most Helpful Members:
This Is Currently A Work In Progress. If Someone Could Possibly Get A List To Me, That Would Be Great.
And, just in case, here in the video of the rules of xda developers site. Doesn't hurt to watch it more than the obligatory first time for your registration process. Enjoy xda, and I welcome you to our community!
I hope this guide helps you make your experience on XDA a better one. I'll be glad if you click the Thanks button, instead of saying Thanks, but I'll be even more glad if you take this guide to heart and actually follow what it says. Doing so will help make your time here easier and more comfortable for everyone involved.
Thank you for reading, and happy forum'ing! :good:
Around these forums you're likely to hear some terminology or lingo which you're not familiar with. Check out this list of Android Terms, Slang & Definitions by Diablo67.
I'm going to post some of the more relevant definitions below, but if you see a term you're not sure about but it's not in this thread then check out the above thread by Diablo67.
So here we go…
ADK: Android Development Kit, What people use to develop anything for the droid such as ROM's
AOSP: Short for Android Open Source Project, and when the term is used in ROM descriptions, it usually indicates that the ROM in question is based on the Android source code provided by Google itself, and not on some other ROM project or a company’s firmware.
Baseband: In communications and signal processing, the baseband describes signals and systems whose range of the frequencies measured from close to 0 hertz to a cut-off frequency, a maximum bandwidth or highest signal frequency; it is sometimes used to describe frequencies starting close to zero
Boot Loader: Executes code before any operating system is launched. On Android devices, the bootloader is usually locked because manufacturers want you to use the version of Android they’ve provided. With a locked bootloader on Android phones, custom ROMs cannot be flashed.
Boot Loop: simply means something is preventing the phone from completing it's boot cycle and is stuck between the boot animation and the unlock screen, creating a looped animation. This is often fixed by either reloading a Nandroid, or Reflashing a rom from the Boot Loader.
Brick or Bricked: Jargon for a completely unrecoverable device, (no more than a brick or paperweight).
Bug or Software Bug: an Error or flaw in software that produces a failure or unexpected/unwanted result. Typically created from incorrect code, this is why some ROMs are better and smoother running than others because certain developers have taken the time to input "perfect" code
ClockworkMod or CWM: A recovery program that is often used to apply updates, ROMs, or create a back up or restore a backup file
Dalvik: is the cryptic name of the virtual machine (VM) in Android, and it’s the basis for running apps (with the .apk filename extension) on the platform. Before Android apps are launched, they’re converted into the compact Dalvik Executable (.dex) format, which is designed to be suitable for systems that are constrained in terms of memory and processor speed. Dalvik was originally written by Dan Bornstein, who named it after the fishing village of Dalvík in Eyjafjörður, Iceland, where some of his ancestors lived.
Dalvik Cache: Simply put it is the cache used by Dalvik, and it’s the result of Dalvik doing optimizations of running apps. Some Android ROMs allow you to move the Dalvik cache to your SD card, in order to free up internal storage.
De-odex: Apk files have respective odexes that devs use to supposedly save space. Deodexing means you convert it back to a .dex file and put it back inside the apk. This allows you to easily replace files (not having to worry about odexes), but the main point was to deodex services.jar so that you can change all text to different colors (such as the clock color to white) and to deodex services.jar, you need to deodex everything.
What the heck does it mean, exactly? Well, it’s probably the hardest term to explain in this rooting dictionary...
When a ROM has been deodexed, it means that its apps have been prepared so they can be modified. Deodexed ROMs feature apps that have been repackaged in a certain way. Android applications (.apk's) contain .odex files that devs supposedly use to save space. These .odex files are extracted from the application packages and put in the /system/ folder on your phone, to speed up boot processes and to allow parts of applications to be preloaded.
However, this makes hacking and modifying those apps difficult because parts of the apps have been extracted to another location. Deodexing means that all pieces of an application package are put back together into one file, and it makes sure that a modified .apk won’t conflict with some separate odexed parts located somewhere else. Developers of custom ROMs choose to deodex their ROM packages, since it lets them modify various .APKs, and it also makes theming possible after the ROMs have been installed.
Dev. or Developer: An individual that creates, or alters a file in such a manner as to advance the program
Ext2/3/4: This refers to partitions on your SD card. They’re extended file systems for Linux that can be used by Android, usually in order to preserve internal storage space. Many custom Android ROMs require that you have an Ext2, Ext3 or Ext4 partition on your memory card. Ext2 is the oldest type of extended file system, and Ext4 is the newest.
Firmware: A phone’s firmware is basically its operating system. A “firmware update” means that the operating system, the software that controls the phone, is updated. “Stock firmware” means that the firmware is unmodified: it’s the version of the operating system the phone’s manufacturer delivers.
Flash or Flash Memory: To flash a custom ROM, or a firmware, simply means that you install it. So, flashing is the process of installing a new version of the Android operating system, or just parts of it, like such as the radio and/or kernel. Flashing new ROMs is done via the Recovery Mode, usually with ClockworkMod Recovery.
Kernel: Central component of most operating systems: it’s a bridge between applications and the actual data processing done at the hardware level. Android kernels are often customized, optimized and modified for different purposes, such as over-clocking the processor or extending the battery life. Custom ROMs usually include a new kernel.
NanDroid or Nandroid Backup: Anyone with root access make a complete system backup. It lets you create a backup of every piece of information on your phone, and it can be restored later whenever you want. NANDroid backups are usually performed before flashing a new ROM, in case anything goes wrong with an update or when flashing, or if you want to return to your previous setup later. NANDroid backups are created from the Recovery Mode often found with CWM.
Odexed: See Deodexed
Radio: It’s the radio on your phone that handles communication, the radio that sends and receives voice and data. Flashing (installing) a new radio can improve your reception, and bring other benefits.
Root: Common word associated with giving a user "super user" access to their phones programming and other various aspects that would normaly not be possible, also known as "Jailbroken" for iPhones.
OS: Operating system, e.g. Windows, Mac, Ubuntu...and Android.
Overclocking: Speeding up the CPU past the factory presets to achieve a faster and more responsive device
ROM: Read Only Memory, a program used to make changes to anything from the look of the home screen, to icons to custom boot animation
SetCPU: This is a popular application for overclocking or underclocking your phone’s processor, making it faster or slower. It may require a special kernel in order to work.
Stock:Simply means an unaltered state, such as when you first purchase your phone from Verizon, or when you do a factory reset to "go back to stock."
SU or Superuser: When you root your Android phone, you will get superuser access. The superuser or root user is sort of a special user account for system administration.
Terminal or Terminal Emulator: An app that lets users access Android’s built-in Linux command line shell. It’s useful for programmers and for those with root access. There are some Roms that have built in theme and/or tools that are accessed from Terminal.
Theme: A set of icons, backgrounds and app trays that change the aesthetics of the overall look of the droid and its applications
Underclocking: Slowing down the CPU mainly to limit battery usage
.apk or APK's: An .apk file extension denotes an Android Package (APK) file, an .apk file can be opened and inspected using common archive tools
.tar: Similar to a zip file, a tar file archives multiple files into one file
Reserved.
I've now filled in a couple of the reserve slots and will leave it at that for now.
Please be sure to let me know if you have any queries, concerns or requests regarding this thread.
Thanks
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I've added links to an index of ROMs, kernels etc. for each device into the OP.
As always, if I've made any mistakes throughout this thread or you think there's something missing, please be sure to let me know
"My badboy megazord whip's got more features than iOS5"
This is a very good and informative thread. There should be something like this in every forum, but then it might become repetitive.
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might wanna change
OS: Operating system, I.E. Windows, Mac, Ubuntu...and Android.
to
OS: Operating system, eg. Windows, Mac, Ubuntu...and Android.
although grammatically vorrectt
theres bound to be someone thnking the I.E. is for internet explorer
-PiLoT- said:
might wanna change
OS: Operating system, I.E. Windows, Mac, Ubuntu...and Android.
to
OS: Operating system, eg. Windows, Mac, Ubuntu...and Android.
although grammatically vorrectt
theres bound to be someone thnking the I.E. is for internet explorer
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I hadn't thought about it that way.
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Where do I post a question, in the general section? ( sorry if I missed it in reading in post )
XPERIA U
Stock ICS 4.0.4
Rooted
drsanket_xperia_u said:
Read all the new terminologies
Where do I post a question, in the general section? ( sorry if I missed it in reading in post )
XPERIA U
Stock ICS 4.0.4
Rooted
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Questions go in the Q&A section. Hence the name Question & Answer
Must have noticed that
Thanx
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Now that was a nice introduction...:good:
im still at first one
So as someone who, like all of you, has to work all day, commute forever back and forth, then spend time with family in the evening, i dont want to have to spend my little free time googling and link hopping looking for often badly written and never complete guides.
If a COMPLETE, SELF-CONTAINED, GRAMMATICALLY CORRECT guide to upgrading my rooted tab s3 from stock nougat to stock oreo and rerooting exists, would someone be so kind as to point me to i? I once had the time to track things down on my own and try to interpret horribly disfigured grammar, but life has entered a phase where i just don't anymore. Any and all help appreciated. THANKS!! {no offense intended - i know for many english is a second language.}
-MIKE
No replies at all? Surely someone can at least give me a start...?
Same question, no answer. And I don't understand, if I need formatting data after flashing full wipe rom via Odin and using patch for verity and encryption when I was already decrypted before, or I don't need to format data again.
Well firstly you may try creating a proper question in the Q&A forum instead of creating a voting thread?
pardon my ignorance, but i have no idea how to create a voting thread, so my doing so was purely by accident. and this forum is called "Samsung Galaxy Tab S3 Questions & Answers" which sounds like a Q&A forum. And i see at least one question mark in what i posted, implying that it is, indeed, a question. Could you be a bit clearer about how this is a 'voting thread', not a question, and not in a Q&A forum? You know, i have a PhD in physics. if you were to post an inadequate question in an improper forum on a physics site, i would explain, fully, what was incorrect, then i'd try to answer your effing question anyway, not give some useless nonsense. I've noticed that as a common difference between physics/science/math forums and pretty much all of the 'computer' related forums I've asked questions in: when the question is 'in the wrong forum' (gasp - end of the world! ) class A tries to be helpful, class B just posts non-info, usually in an insulting way (i appreciate your not doing so). if you know the freakin' answer, why not answer the question, regardless of the forum? sorry for all the blathering, and apologies to the poster, but the information-free answer ticked me off...
that user who gave you some useless nonsense is the main person who provided root for the tab s3. check out his guide.
theres no reason you shouldn't check the original tab s3 root/twrp thread for updates if you rooted the tablet yourself back then
not to be too obvious, but if you'll look at my original post, you'll see i have neither the time nor the inclination to spend an hour (or more) googling/searching forums when the answer to one simple question, which can be given in 30 seconds or less, will get me where i need to be. what is it with this BS refusal to answer a question if you know the answer? 'look it up yourself' - my god, how many person-hours are wasted because you people refuse to answer questions you know the answer to. i knew there was a reason i avoided computer 'science' for real science - we'll answer a question if you ask it, usually in far more detail than you want. (computer 'science' isn't by the way. at best it's trade school.) if the poster you're so gallantly defending is such a diety, why didn't he just answer the bloody question? i'm self-educated and know far more than most of the B.Sc. CS people I've worked with, i just can't stand the thought of banging out code day after day, it's no more than working on a production line. yes - i'm pissed. if you know the answer, answer the damn question! or block me (like it would affect my life at all). Android 8 is still as primitive as Android 7, so i see no real need to change anyway. yeesh.
look - i realize i'm acting like a TOTAL jerk, and i apologize. I've just spent most of my life working with people who are eager to pass along knowledge, and will answer any question when they could easily say 'go figure it out yourself', so i just plain don't get that attitude. i apologize for the attitude in my posts. (to my knowledge, there's no emoji for 'contrite')
This is the only guide to root the tab s3 on oreo: https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-tab-s3/development/recovery-twrp-3-1-0-1-samsung-galaxy-t3581359
but it doesn't fit your criteria of COMPLETE, SELF-CONTAINED, GRAMMATICALLY CORRECT so I don't suggest you use it.
@Msamp Mike -- surely you understand that this is not a shop with tidy shelves, but a messy community of tinkerers and hackers (of the best kind!).
Some develop, some test, and others write. There are few off-the-shelf solutions here, but there's a lot of collaboration and goodwill.
What you're asking for may not exist, but we can create it collectively. I'm planning to go through the update myself. I'll post my experience. You (or anyone else) is welcome to try, comment, and improve!