I was looking at the Google Play Edition S4 on the Play Store: [Can't link outside post yet but go to the Google Play Store]
According to the Specs it uses the same frequency ranges that Verizon uses:
Network
Unlocked GSM/UMTS/HSPA+/LTE
GSM/EDGE/GPRS (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
3G (850, 1900, 2100 MHz)
4G LTE (700, 850, AWS, 1900 MHz)
Would this thing work on Verizon with their sim card? Sorry in advance for sounding like a noob.
It lacks a cdma radio.
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najaboy said:
It lacks a cdma radio.
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It will (presumably) work on Verizon when they do Voice over LTE... but until then, yes, it lacks a CDMA radio which means it probably won't be of use for VZW.
I knew it wouldn't work on non-CDMA networks but what about the LTE side of the house? Verizon uses 700 Mhz and 1700/2100 Mhz LTE bands for 4G. I could live without 3G for a phone that could connect to any carriers LTE freqs.
Eodmule said:
I knew it wouldn't work on non-CDMA networks but what about the LTE side of the house? Verizon uses 700 Mhz and 1700/2100 Mhz LTE bands for 4G. I could live without 3G for a phone that could connect to any carriers LTE freqs.
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Might be fine for 4G data over LTE, but will probably be a paperweight as far as calls are concerned unless you want to go the VOIP route... not to mention you'd be SOL anywhere there's no 4G coverage. Basically there would be no fallback, you'd either have 4G data, or nothing.
I think AT&T and VZ use different ends of the 700mhz spectrum, so even if the phone somehow got authenticated onto the VZ network, the radio/antennae for AT&T's 700mhz may not work on VZ's.
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Okay I been asking this for a while. I will be taking a trip to Mexico in July and I'm getting a prepaid sim there. I choosen which company to go with while I'm down there and I wanted to see if I'm able to get 3G with Movistar Mexico while I'm there. I will be running the Venasuar rom with the GSM patch. Here's a link of Movistars network stuff. Thanks for the help guys
http://www.unlockonline.com/mobilenetworks/mexico/movistar.html
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You won't be able to get data... You need the 2100 MHz band that carrier has the 1900 MHz band
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You won't be able to get data... You need the 2100 MHz band that carrier has the 1900 MHz band
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Actually, he will get Data, its just that its gonns be on EDGE instead of 3G/HSPDA
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Ah well thanks guys
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thanks guy
CDMA: Dual-band CDMA/EVDO Rev. A (800/1900 MHz)
LTE: 700 MHz (Band 13 only)
GSM: 850/1900/2100
And in this case, GSM means 2G/Edge, not HSPA... so no 3G.
Technically, the MSM8660 supports a much wider range of frequencies, but the Rezound does not have all the "tuning" or radios (software radios) needed to make them work properly. This isn't something that the Snapdragon unlock hacks can make work either, as far as any users here have tested since the frequencies are not disabled in the chipset, they just were never setup in the firmware to operate.
GSM ≠ 3G/HSPA/HSPA+
According to the chart below, if I use a T-Mobile HTC One on AT&T, I would be able to use all of AT&T's HSPA+ network but will only be able to use their 700 MHz band for LTE? Am I reading it right or do I have it wrong?
I found this chart at android central (can't link because I'm blocked as a new user)
GSM/GPRS/EDGE
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
WCDMA
AT&T: 850/1900/2100 MHz
T-Mobile: 850/AWS/1900/2100 MHz
Sprint: 700/AWS MHz
CDMA
Sprint: 800/1900 MHz (BC0/BC1/BC10)
LTE
AT&T: 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz
T-Mobile: 700/AWS MHz
Sprint: 1900 MHz
Does this mean that if I have a T-Mobile phone, I can fully utilize HSPA+ speeds but not LTE speeds on AT&T?
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According to the chart below, if I use a T-Mobile HTC One on AT&T, I would be able to use all of AT&T's HSPA+ network but will only be able to use their 700 MHz band for LTE? Am I reading it right or do I have it wrong?
I found this chart at android central (can't link because I'm blocked as a new user)
GSM/GPRS/EDGE
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
WCDMA
AT&T: 850/1900/2100 MHz
T-Mobile: 850/AWS/1900/2100 MHz
Sprint: 700/AWS MHz
CDMA
Sprint: 800/1900 MHz (BC0/BC1/BC10)
LTE
AT&T: 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz
T-Mobile: 700/AWS MHz
Sprint: 1900 MHz
Does this mean that if I have a T-Mobile phone, I can fully utilize HSPA+ speeds but not LTE speeds on AT&T?
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I'm wondering the same thing. If I purchase the tmobile ONE and use it on ATT, will I get LTE and MMS as well.
i want to use it the other way around an at&t htc one on tmobiles hspa+ will ill be able to do that please let me know
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According to the chart below, if I use a T-Mobile HTC One on AT&T, I would be able to use all of AT&T's HSPA+ network but will only be able to use their 700 MHz band for LTE? Am I reading it right or do I have it wrong?
I found this chart at android central (can't link because I'm blocked as a new user)
GSM/GPRS/EDGE
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
WCDMA
AT&T: 850/1900/2100 MHz
T-Mobile: 850/AWS/1900/2100 MHz
Sprint: 700/AWS MHz
CDMA
Sprint: 800/1900 MHz (BC0/BC1/BC10)
LTE
AT&T: 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz
T-Mobile: 700/AWS MHz
Sprint: 1900 MHz
Does this mean that if I have a T-Mobile phone, I can fully utilize HSPA+ speeds but not LTE speeds on AT&T?
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nuprotocol said:
I'm wondering the same thing. If I purchase the tmobile ONE and use it on ATT, will I get LTE and MMS as well.
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HSPA+, yes. MMS, yes. LTE? Maybe.
manaurys said:
i want to use it the other way around an at&t htc one on tmobiles hspa+ will ill be able to do that please let me know
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Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but only if you're in a refarmed 1900mhz frequency area. You can find out if you are here: http://airportal.de/
I've been investigating this. FCC documentation suggests that the HTC One for T-Mobile is certified for LTE Band 17 (AT&T).
I've unlocked the handset, but I'm only able to access AT&T's HSPA+ network.
Out of the box, the HTC One for T-Mobile doesn't support AT&T LTE.
If there is latent support, I reckon that you'd need to flash AT&T's radio to the device.
EDIT: I stand corrected. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=41237507&postcount=17
the tmobile ONE supports tmobile/att hspa and lte for both carriers. The att ONE supports lte for both but only att hspa and only tmobils 1900 hspa.
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This is extremely curious to a noob like myself. To clarify, The HTC One purchased through Tmobile can be used on both the Tmobile and ATT networks? If purchased through Tmo how can I get the SIM for ATT? Can I toggle between the two? How can I utilize this awesome find to get the best out of each network. You all are smart. Thanks!
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This is extremely curious to a noob like myself. To clarify, The HTC One purchased through Tmobile can be used on both the Tmobile and ATT networks? If purchased through Tmo how can I get the SIM for ATT? Can I toggle between the two? How can I utilize this awesome find to get the best out of each network. You all are smart. Thanks!
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My friend has the T-mobile One and I have the AT&T One. He tried putting his T-mobile SIM in my phone, but it would not work (my AT&T One has to be unlocked, which I believe can be done if you buy an unlock code). I couldn't say if my SIM would work since my SIM is not actually AT&T's, it is a Straight Talk SIM that is compatible with AT&T's network. I imagine you could also unlock the T-mobile variant to work with AT&T's networks, but I'm not sure if it'd be able to work on the 4G network.
Well, being a T-Mobile customer (and preferring to stay one) I was interested in the fact that the new S4 Google Play edition seems to support the Verizon 700mhz LTE frequencies but is sold as an AT&T and T-Mobile device only.
NETWORK
Unlocked GSM/UMTS/HSPA+/LTE
GSM/EDGE/GPRS (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
3G (850, 1900, 2100 MHz)
4G LTE (700, 850, AWS, 1900 MHz)
So does this purport that the device is able to roam on Verizion's 4G LTE data network when there is no AT&T or T-Mobile network present?
Interesting. I'll be doing some research.
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It'd only be viable if there is a CDMA radio hidden somewhere in there as well. Otherwise you would have no voice service.
Omen87 said:
It'd only be viable if there is a CDMA radio hidden somewhere in there as well. Otherwise you would have no voice service.
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Verizon announced today that in 2014 there will be available LTE-only phones... phones sold with LTE and no CDMA radios as they have finished their LTE rollout nationwide. They also said they will flip on a switch to enable VoLTE ... Voice over LTE around the same time.
However, I really don't care about voice service, I just want Verizon LTE data roaming in all areas of the country where T-Mobile customers are seemingly in a blackhole datawise with 0G connections
Could you imagine the money to be made if a phone covered every network and frequency band? Somebody needs to do this lol
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You cannot in anyway use Verizon 3g or 4g unless your devices imei is in their database regardless if it supports the frequencies . also there are sub divisions of the 700mhz band. Both att and Verizon have divisions in the 700mhz band
It does not support Verizon LTE. There are multiple blocks within the 700mhz spectrum, and they are NOT compatible. Verizon uses the 700mhz C-block, which is closer to 750mhz. It's actually 746-756 and 777-787.
AT&T uses the 700mhz B-block. This is 704-716, and 734-746. They are NOT compatible with each other. Phones have to be designed to either support B-block or C-block. There are no devices out currently that can support both as the carriers have a block between them. Qualcomm is lobbying congress to end that block, though this lobby may be pointless. Verizon is currently looking to sell their 700mhz block to AT&T. This would allow AT&T more room in the 700mhz band with the block removed, while Verizon would get more AWS spectrum support (dual down/uplingh for faster speeds). It would also allow Verizon to shed the provision that requires them to allow an unlocked device on their network (something that they hate).
Bottom line is that no, this phone is not compatible with Verizon LTE.
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Verizon uses Band 13 and Band 4 for LTE while ATT uses Band 17 and Tmo uses Band 4 and Sprint uses Band 25 so All of the Carriers uses different bands. Eventually most of them will use Band 4 AWS.
The Nexus 4 can use LTE on hacked ROMs on Band 4 AWS
I got a chance to purchase the vzw gs4 for $250 under a one year contract for very good plans
Wondering if the contract expires, will i be able to use other gsm carriers?
AFAIK, i545 should come unlocked and can be used on att hspa and tmo lte(band4), am i right?
Just wondering if i545 has lte band 17 for att, or has anybody tried putting an att sim to i545 yet?
Another question I know verizon is notorious for not pushing timely system updates, but how far are the custom roms from the 9505g rom?
Thanks for your input
i saw in the 9500 dev section somebody wasn't able to enable tmob lte for this model which seems wired
has anybody tried att sim card?
Why is the thread moved automatically to Q/A section though
michael3770 said:
i saw in the 9500 dev section somebody wasn't able to enable tmob lte for this model which seems wired
has anybody tried att sim card?
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A simple search would tell you that many of us have used non-VZ SIM cards. The phone is SIM-unlocked.
Here's the bands that the Verizon S4 has:
LTE 750 / 1700
WCDMA 850 / 1900 / 2100
CDMA 850 / 1900
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
[from http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=4066 ]
T-Mobile uses 1700 for LTE, so there appears to be a match.
For AT&T, 700, 1700, 2300 for LTE. 1700 is the common band.
[from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks ]
k1mu said:
A simple search would tell you that many of us have used non-VZ SIM cards. The phone is SIM-unlocked.
Here's the bands that the Verizon S4 has:
LTE 750 / 1700
WCDMA 850 / 1900 / 2100
CDMA 850 / 1900
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
[from http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=4066 ]
T-Mobile uses 1700 for LTE, so there appears to be a match.
For AT&T, 700, 1700, 2300 for LTE. 1700 is the common band.
[from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks ]
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I don't the bands on phonescoop is correct
samsung listed i545 to have LTE band 4 which is 1700/2100
One other thread mentioned Tmobile LTE cannot achieved on this model, only hspa
Att use Band 4,17, not 2300 for LTE
I'm just wondering if anyone has tried to hack the radio as they did for i535
michael3770 said:
I don't the bands on phonescoop is correct
samsung listed i545 to have LTE band 4 which is 1700/2100
One other thread mentioned Tmobile LTE cannot achieved on this model, only hspa
Att use Band 4,17, not 2300 for LTE
I'm just wondering if anyone has tried to hack the radio as they did for i535
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OK, so here's a reliable source - Samsung. http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SCH-I545ZWAVZW-specs
LTE: Bands 4/13 (Band 4 is 1700 MHz, band 13 is 700 MHz)
CDMA 1x/EVDO Rev.A: 800/1900MHz
HSPA+/UMTS: 850/900/1900/2100MHz
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900MHz
I don't understand the various 1700 MHz band allocations, so I can't say if Tmo's band 4 is compatible with VZ's band 4 radio.
"Hack the radio" meant enabling radios that were built in to the phone which VZ disabled. I don't think that's the case with the VZ S4.
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I don't understand the various 1700 MHz band allocations, so I can't say if Tmo's band 4 is compatible with VZ's band 4 radio.
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as far as I know there aren't various 1700MHz allocations. In such case, every allocation must have their own band, like Band 2 and Band 25. Both of them are in the 1900MHz but with diferent allocations.
So any LTE Band 4 enable device should work in any LTE band 4 carrier.
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dennis5pia said:
as far as I know there aren't various 1700MHz allocations. In such case, every allocation must have their own band, like Band 2 and Band 25. Both of them are in the 1900MHz but with diferent allocations.
So any LTE Band 4 enable device should work in any LTE band 4 carrier.
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That's what I thought
according to this post it's not i don't know why
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2400799
michael3770 said:
That's what I thought
according to this post it's not i don't know why
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2400799
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According to this post it does.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=44206677&postcount=20
Bottom line any LTE band 4 enable device will work in any LTE band 4 carrier.
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So here is my situation. Getting a HTC One under Sprint. It uses a SIM card. I've been told it will work on T-Mobile. My question is can I just flash radios or will it be always stuck with just Edge?
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Im pretty sure this will not work.
The Sprint version of the HTC One is CDMA / LTE NOT GSM/LTE
Thanks. That was my initial thought process too. Probably just sell it. Have a Nexus 5 on the way too.
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Im pretty sure this will not work.
The Sprint version of the HTC One is CDMA / LTE NOT GSM/LTE
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It's actually CDMA/GSM and LTE. Sprint locks down the GSM portion against using a domestic SIM from AT&T and TMobile by default. They'll unlock it for international SIMs/use if you meet certain criteria etc.
It has the necessary radios to work on Tmobile and or AT&T, you just have to have it unlocked a certain way. Search here on XDA, it's been done though it's not the easiest process.
The Sprint One has a SIM slot?
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blackangst said:
The Sprint One has a SIM slot?
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At the top, left side of the HTC One even under Sprint there is a Sim Slot.
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At the top, left side of the HTC One even under Sprint there is a Sim Slot.
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Every LTE device will have a sim slot.
LTE is based on GSM technology. Now with that said there is a GSM variant and a CDMA variant. The CDMA variant does not have the basic GSM chipset for GPRS/ EDGE technology. So putting your sim card in there MIGHT only get you LTE in a re farmed TMO area with 1900mhz. Bottom line is if you want the phone to work like it should you need to buy a T-Mobile one.. It has the 1700mhz aws band you need for all of T-Mobiles network.
http://www.htc.com/us/smartphones/htc-one/#/
This unit has
2G/2.5G - GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G - UMTS/ HSPA:
Europe/ Middle East/ Africa: 900/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps
Asia: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps
Canada/ Latin America: 850/1900/2100 MHz up to HSPA+ 42 Mbps
T-Mobile (US): 850/ AWS/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps
AT&T: 850/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 21 Mbps
Sprint: 1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 14.4 Mbps
3G - CDMA:
800/1900 MHz for Sprint
4G - CDMA:
Verizon: 800/1900MHZ, UMTS/HSPA 1900/2100MHz,GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900MHz, LTE 700MHz (Band 13)
4G - LTE:
Europe/ Middle East/ Africa: 800/1800/2600 MHz
Asia: 1800/2600 MHz
T-Mobile (US)/ AT&T/ Canada/ Latin America: 700 MHz and AWS band
Sprint: 1900 MHz
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Hi ,
I want to do similar stuff.
I am currently using SPRINT Phone on my T-mobile network . It works fine (Just some network auto disconnect issues sometimes).
BUT , I want Tmobile Stock ROM on my SPRINT Phone... (Only Reason for that: I want WIFI-CALLING - Which only Tmobile supports)
Have anyone flashed SPRINT with TMOBILE ROM (Stock)
manasbapna said:
Hi ,
I want to do similar stuff.
I am currently using SPRINT Phone on my T-mobile network . It works fine (Just some network auto disconnect issues sometimes).
BUT , I want Tmobile Stock ROM on my SPRINT Phone... (Only Reason for that: I want WIFI-CALLING - Which only Tmobile supports)
Have anyone flashed SPRINT with TMOBILE ROM (Stock)
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Can you tell me how you were able to get sprint phone on t-mobile network. I have HTC one, unlocked, but it won't connect to tmobile towers.
My Radio is: 1.00.20.315