I have a big problem if it is not normal or not, I just installed the rom based on android 4.1 (omega rom), did a full wipe, even format the internal storage was empty now, but for some reason there are 500 mb that are being used by a hidden folder called:'' system data'', which can not be deleted and also missing from Windows Explorer.
Is this normal? I would also like to clarify that the size of this ''folder'' for some reason is growing
And it will grow with any apk you'll install.
spamtrash said:
And it will grow with any apk you'll install.
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Thanks for the comment, then it is normal that in the phone's internal memory truth (which supposedly is 16GB)?
I do not understand is why they are there if i format the internal memory from recovery.
UP, please help me!! apparently this space: ''system data'' increases more and more for every application that installed, this means that applications are installed on internal memory space?
That 500MB is a partition on the sd card for.....you guessed it......system data.....note in the picture you took there is currently nothing in that partition
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That 500MB is a partition on the sd card for.....you guessed it......system data.....note in the picture you took there is currently nothing in that partition
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But if a partition, its size should not be still? because it increases and decreases in size?
Why is it then that partition increases when installing an app? and if uninstall the volume decreases ... assumes that applications are installed in "/ data/app" then that is what takes up space?
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Hi Everyone,
I have an issue with my VZW GS4. All of my storage seems to be utilized by "phantom" files. I was updating my playstore apps yesterday and I got a memory almost full error. I only have 1 GB pictures, .5 GB music, and .3 GB applications used. I know the system is using almost half of the my memory off the bat, but looking at the files above, it did not make sense that I would only have 300 MB left out of 9GB or so available to me.
My device was rooted, but was still on the VRUAMDK Kernel flashed after rooting. I had Titanium backup installed but did not actually do any backups. I had CWM manager installed and had one recovery that took up a small amount of memory, so I wasn't sure what would be taking up all my memory.
I decided I wanted to do a wipe on the phone after backing up my pics/music to see if i could wipe the memory and start clean. I wiped the device using the stock recovery app and the phone still only has 4.2GB free. I guess a wipe/factory reset does not clean EVERYTHING off the SD card. When I go into the Device Memory section in settings, it appears I have half of memory free, but it still lists 4.2GB available. I did a file usage analysis and it does not listed Could something I had done in CWM Rom Manager created some hidden files that wouldn't get wiped? Does the GS4 auto software update download to a hidden folder before being installed? The phone recently download the new ME7 firmware which I did not install yet.
Using an android file browser i've looked around the SD card system folders but I would have no idea what would be taking up so much room. Has anyone else had an issue like this? Can I wipe the non-system partition of the SD card somehow? I am just not familiar with this and I wouldn't want to mess up the OS somehow.
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Hi Everyone,
I have an issue with my VZW GS4. All of my storage seems to be utilized by "phantom" files. I was updating my playstore apps yesterday and I got a memory almost full error. I only have 1 GB pictures, .5 GB music, and .3 GB applications used. I know the system is using almost half of the my memory off the bat, but looking at the files above, it did not make sense that I would only have 300 MB left out of 9GB or so available to me.
My device was rooted, but was still on the VRUAMDK Kernel flashed after rooting. I had Titanium backup installed but did not actually do any backups. I had CWM manager installed and had one recovery that took up a small amount of memory, so I wasn't sure what would be taking up all my memory.
I decided I wanted to do a wipe on the phone after backing up my pics/music to see if i could wipe the memory and start clean. I wiped the device using the stock recovery app and the phone still only has 4.2GB free. I guess a wipe/factory reset does not clean EVERYTHING off the SD card. When I go into the Device Memory section in settings, it appears I have half of memory free, but it still lists 4.2GB available. I did a file usage analysis and it does not listed Could something I had done in CWM Rom Manager created some hidden files that wouldn't get wiped? Does the GS4 auto software update download to a hidden folder before being installed? The phone recently download the new ME7 firmware which I did not install yet.
Using an android file browser i've looked around the SD card system folders but I would have no idea what would be taking up so much room. Has anyone else had an issue like this? Can I wipe the non-system partition of the SD card somehow? I am just not familiar with this and I wouldn't want to mess up the OS somehow.
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Looks like a CWM recovery was sitting in root/data/media. I found this solution in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2274218
So the past few weeks has been my first experience with safe strap and everything.I have been using only the Hyperdrive rom. After having some issues with the RS14 update, i had to delete the rom slot and make a new one. Ive noticed that i have a ton of hidden files, because i have almost no space left on the internal storage. anybody have any ideas on how to find and delete these files? I would also like to know what you guys set the slot as, as far as given space. this is the only rom im going to be using so i want to maximize my space.
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So the past few weeks has been my first experience with safe strap and everything.I have been using only the Hyperdrive rom. After having some issues with the RS14 update, i had to delete the rom slot and make a new one. Ive noticed that i have a ton of hidden files, because i have almost no space left on the internal storage. anybody have any ideas on how to find and delete these files? I would also like to know what you guys set the slot as, as far as given space. this is the only rom im going to be using so i want to maximize my space.
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If you do format sdcard that should clear up space (factory reset will not clear them). For the space, Safestrap use the internal storage only, so the O/S, boot etc i would need about 900meg, and the data partition is depended on how many apps you planned to install, let say you assign 1gig for data then the total you need is approx 2gb, if you think you're going to have more apps then assign 2.5 or 3..it's all up to you.
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If you do format sdcard that should clear up space (factory reset will not clear them). For the space, Safestrap use the internal storage only, so the O/S, boot etc i would need about 900meg, and the data partition is depended on how many apps you planned to install, let say you assign 1gig for data then the total you need is approx 2gb, if you think you're going to have more apps then assign 2.5 or 3..it's all up to you.
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the hidden files are in the internal storage, not my sd card.
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If you do format sdcard that should clear up space (factory reset will not clear them). For the space, Safestrap use the internal storage only, so the O/S, boot etc i would need about 900meg, and the data partition is depended on how many apps you planned to install, let say you assign 1gig for data then the total you need is approx 2gb, if you think you're going to have more apps then assign 2.5 or 3..it's all up to you.
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i might just have to do a factory data reset, and start from scratch and reroot and start over. I really dont want to have to do that though
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i might just have to do a factory data reset, and start from scratch and reroot and start over. I really dont want to have to do that though
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Factory reset won't clear, you need to format sdcard,
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Factory reset won't clear, you need to format sdcard,
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even though the issue isn't in the ext sd card?
m4gkman said:
even though the issue isn't in the ext sd card?
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screenshots taken without sd card in.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/skaterdave/12530759613/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/skaterdave/12530758613/
sorry for the links, the images werent' working
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even though the issue isn't in the ext sd card?
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I don't think you understand the misc files are hidden, there no way you can delete them. When you boot into recovery, do the following:
wipe cache, wipe dalvik cache, wipe system and format sdcard. Format sdcard is formatting your INTERNAL space, not your external sdcard. After done reflash rom.
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I don't think you understand the misc files are hidden, there no way you can delete them. When you boot into recovery, do the following:
wipe cache, wipe dalvik cache, wipe system and format sdcard. Format sdcard is formatting your INTERNAL space, not your external sdcard. After done reflash rom.
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When i hit wipe on safe strap, is it the format data button, or a full advanced wipe? sorry im asking so many questions, still really new to safestrap.
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When i hit wipe on safe strap, is it the format data button, or a full advanced wipe? sorry im asking so many questions, still really new to safestrap.
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Hey, just want to make sure we're on the same page. A 16gb Galaxy S4 only has 6gb available as stock phone. If you assigned 3gb for safestrap, then you should only have 3gb left for storage. So my question is the junk files are on the new rom (3gb safestrap) or from the original O/S? I don't believe safestrap offers the option to "format internal SDcard". If you want to continue to use safestrap, you should be on top of the storage space. Since I don't know all the junks are from, but I suggest you should start clean; Uninstall safestrap, Odin your phone back to stock ROM using PIT file. Now you should have a super clean phone. Record your storage space to see what's the total space, how much in used and how much free. At this point you should also take a look at app to SD, where all the new apps will be install to your external SDcard instead. From now on after you flash new rom or install safestrap, you should check your storage to have an idea what used up the space.
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Hey, just want to make sure we're on the same page. A 16gb Galaxy S4 only has 6gb available as stock phone. If you assigned 3gb for safestrap, then you should only have 3gb left for storage. So my question is the junk files are on the new rom (3gb safestrap) or from the original O/S? I don't believe safestrap offers the option to "format internal SDcard". If you want to continue to use safestrap, you should be on top of the storage space. Since I don't know all the junks are from, but I suggest you should start clean; Uninstall safestrap, Odin your phone back to stock ROM using PIT file. Now you should have a super clean phone. Record your storage space to see what's the total space, how much in used and how much free. At this point you should also take a look at app to SD, where all the new apps will be install to your external SDcard instead. From now on after you flash new rom or install safestrap, you should check your storage to have an idea what used up the space.
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Looks like thats what im going to have to do. Glad i still have bootcamp to use odin, because i didnt use odin, i used safe root. Think it will be the same process?
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Looks like thats what im going to have to do. Glad i still have bootcamp to use odin, because i didnt use odin, i used safe root. Think it will be the same process?
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Do you have Windows? or just MAC?
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Do you have Windows? or just MAC?
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I have a mac, running bootcamp with windows xp as well. But when i rooted this phone i used the mac method of safe root
m4gkman said:
I have a mac, running bootcamp with windows xp as well. But when i rooted this phone i used the mac method of safe root
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Ok, doesn't matter which one you pick, but just use Odin to flash stock rom with PIT file found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2290859, this should put you back to factory and a super clean storage.
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Ok, doesn't matter which one you pick, but just use Odin to flash stock rom with PIT file found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2290859, this should put you back to factory and a super clean storage.
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unfortunately odin only works on windows, thats the only reason i have bootcamp hahaha. thanks for all your help. ill be back at my main computer on monday so Ill post after i give it a shot.
m4gkman said:
So the past few weeks has been my first experience with safe strap and everything.I have been using only the Hyperdrive rom. After having some issues with the RS14 update, i had to delete the rom slot and make a new one. Ive noticed that i have a ton of hidden files, because i have almost no space left on the internal storage. anybody have any ideas on how to find and delete these files? I would also like to know what you guys set the slot as, as far as given space. this is the only rom im going to be using so i want to maximize my space.
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Why are you assuming that it's "hidden files"? It's probably just the bloated stock ROM.
A 16Gb GS4 with just the factory stuff will have at best 8Gb available - the OS and standard applications all use up that internal memory space.
(Just /system alone is 4.2 Gb on my phone, for example. Then there's the /data stuff, including the dalvik cache, etc.)
Re-flashing a full wipe ROM will maximize the available space, but it's never going to have 16 Gb free on a 16 Gb phone.
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m4gkman said:
Looks like thats what im going to have to do. Glad i still have bootcamp to use odin, because i didnt use odin, i used safe root. Think it will be the same process?
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If you have a Mac, you can use Heimdall to flash ROMs, including factory stock.
k1mu said:
Why are you assuming that it's "hidden files"? It's probably just the bloated stock ROM.
A 16Gb GS4 with just the factory stuff will have at best 8Gb available - the OS and standard applications all use up that internal memory space.
(Just /system alone is 4.2 Gb on my phone, for example. Then there's the /data stuff, including the dalvik cache, etc.)
Re-flashing a full wipe ROM will maximize the available space, but it's never going to have 16 Gb free on a 16 Gb phone.
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If you have a Mac, you can use Heimdall to flash ROMs, including factory stock.
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1) because everytime i clear a rom slot and make a new one in safe strap, i get less and less space. if you look at the images in the links i put up, you can see that there is a lot of Misc files in the system folder, and none of them can be seen. and it shows that even on the hyperdrive rom.
3) heimdall doesn't work for some reason on my computer, and because im on 4.3 already, i have to use safe strap and cant just flash roms
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1) because everytime i clear a rom slot and make a new one in safe strap, i get less and less space. if you look at the images in the links i put up, you can see that there is a lot of Misc files in the system folder, and none of them can be seen. and it shows that even on the hyperdrive rom.
3) heimdall doesn't work for some reason on my computer, and because im on 4.3 already, i have to use safe strap and cant just flash roms
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I don't think this is a case of "Hidden files" - possibly something getting left behind after removing a Safestrap slot, but that's not proven.
You should install a program like "Disk Usage" from the play store. That will tell you where the space is being consumed on your internal storage. The "Miscellaneous files" entry doesn't give you the detail that you need to diagnose this.
I can't help you with Heimdall without knowing why it doesn't work.
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Hey, just want to make sure we're on the same page. A 16gb Galaxy S4 only has 6gb available as stock phone.
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That is not correct. On launch day (May 23rd) my S4 had 9.51gb free space before i put anything on it.
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That is not correct. On launch day (May 23rd) my S4 had 9.51gb free space before i put anything on it.
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Well, I'm not exact on the number, but basically it took about +/- half of the total...) don't be too technical )
I'm running the latest CM snapshot. I've been getting the infamous "Insufficient Storage Available" error for a while not, usually with chrome. There are various solutions. The "delete /data/app-lib/<app>/lib" solution was working ok for me but I can no longer find chrome in there anymore for some reason. I've already moved every app that can be moved to the "internal" SD card. All the "solutions" are really just workarounds trying to clear space.
Is it possible to increase the size of the partition by re partitioning the internal storage?
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I'm running the latest CM snapshot. I've been getting the infamous "Insufficient Storage Available" error for a while not, usually with chrome. There are various solutions. The "delete /data/app-lib/<app>/lib" solution was working ok for me but I can no longer find chrome in there anymore for some reason. I've already moved every app that can be moved to the "internal" SD card. All the "solutions" are really just workarounds trying to clear space.
Is it possible to increase the size of the partition by re partitioning the internal storage?
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Move some apps to the SD card.
tj13 said:
Move some apps to the SD card.
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I know that apps can be moved to the SD card. That isnt a solution nor my question.
I'm asking of the internal storage can be repartitioned
I'm having the same issue. I desperately need to reparation my phone.
i'm running viper rom with the sdcard swap mode.
i'm now back to getting insufficient memory messages when trying to update apps or sometimes run apps. it shows i still have plenty of free memory... i have been moving apps to sd card and that works for a little while.
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i'm running viper rom with the sdcard swap mode.
i'm now back to getting insufficient memory messages when trying to update apps or sometimes run apps. it shows i still have plenty of free memory...
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You need to look at internal storage, not SD card storage.
So I did system dump today to explore the files on my computer see what's hogging all of my space.
Background: I have only have 13 apps installed.
What I found is that my data/data is 346 MB and my data/delvik-cache is 452 MB.
So the files installed by CM are getting more numerous and of greater size. Not sure what to do to solve this problem.
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So I did system dump today to explore the files on my computer see what's hogging all of my space.
Background: I have only have 13 apps installed.
What I found is that my data/data is 346 MB and my data/delvik-cache is 452 MB.
So the files installed by CM are getting more numerous and of greater size. Not sure what to do to solve this problem.
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same issue here. davlik cache is similar to a cache of your applications so they start faster. So it doesnt matter if you move apps to SD, you'll still have davlik.
Also, many apps will still store data in internal memory eventhough the app itself is on SD. I wish there were a way to move the data.
Or as I initially suggested, re-partitioning.
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same issue here. davlik cache is similar to a cache of your applications so they start faster. So it doesnt matter if you move apps to SD, you'll still have davlik.
Also, many apps will still store data in internal memory eventhough the app itself is on SD. I wish there were a way to move the data.
Or as I initially suggested, re-partitioning.
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well, there isn't ANY easy re-partitioning tool for android out in the wild that i KNOW of ... but, (at least to let you know) ... I'm currently still trying to _hack_ something together similar to the internal storage-partition upgrades that the other HTC One devices with MSM8960 recieved ... where they officially unified the /user partition with the internal /sd-card (fat) partition! ... it might take a few weeks until i have something to show around (as work keeps me very busy throughout the week), but i'm working on it.
just as a quick question so CM currently DOES put it's dalvik to the /user partition??? i thought they put it to /cache??? (at least on CM10.1 and CM10.2) ................ so feedback would be highly welcome :laugh:
I am running Cyanogenmod 11-20140216
Total Space - 9.59GB
Available - 1gb
Apps - 277mb
Pictures, Videos - 175mb
Audio 232kb
Downloads - 373mb
Cached Data - 3.13mb
Misc - 807mb
By my math I should have roughly 8gb available. What am I missing? I have wiped cache/Dalvik and reset the phone from recovery and still no dice. Please help!
Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am trying desperately to clear the out of space errors.
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I am running Cyanogenmod 11-20140216
Total Space - 9.59GB
Available - 1gb
Apps - 277mb
Pictures, Videos - 175mb
Audio 232kb
Downloads - 373mb
Cached Data - 3.13mb
Misc - 807mb
By my math I should have roughly 8gb available. What am I missing? I have wiped cache/Dalvik and reset the phone from recovery and still no dice. Please help!
Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am trying desperately to clear the out of space errors.
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Have you done any nandroid backups on your internal storage? I know they usually take up about 2gigs of space
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I've been searching recently for an answer to that problem.
I took it upon myself to explore in ES File Explorer and found that I could only explain roughly half of the internal storage usage.
I decided to see what I could find in the root folders or system folders.
When I went from the root level, I went to the Storage folder and brought up the properties of 'sdcard0' and found it to be at 4.38GB's used.
I did the same to the 'emulated' folder and found it to be at 8.79GB's.
Looking inside the 'emulated' folder, I found '0' and 'legacy' folders. At firsty glance of the files inside those folders, they seem to be perfect copies...
Could this be the problem we're having? Would it harm us to delete the files in one of these folders over the other?
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Have you done any nandroid backups on your internal storage? I know they usually take up about 2gigs of space
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That got me to about 5.5gb available. I also did some other cleanup. I should be clost to 9gb available now. Consider me perplexed.
psychot3ch, I noticed a very similar lay out in mine. Would love to know the answer to your question.
Also, is there way to wipe the sdcard, not the external, completely. I noticed after a factory reset there were still a lot of files hanging around. Pictures I had taken and downloaded. Is there any way to wipe everything completely and start fresh?
I deleted a bunch of system apps with titanium that was about 1 or 2 GB and didn't recover any space. Am I correct 100mb = 1gb or is it 1000mb
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I deleted a bunch of system apps with titanium that was about 1 or 2 GB and didn't recover any space. Am I correct 100mb = 1gb or is it 1000mb
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1024mb = 1gb
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1024mb = 1gb
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Well guess that's why it didn't change much.
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Did you try FS Trim?
As I understand it, sometimes the Filesystem doesn't free up space after items were deleted. FS Trim will take care of that.
I know it's included with Android Tuner, probably can find it in a bunch of other apps too.