Hey guys, I just got a Smart Dock for my i605. Got it for half off so I figured, why not? I'm running PAC-Man Rom and having a few issues. I'm beginning to think I need Touch Wiz to take full advantage, but I thought I'd ask.
1. When I put it in the dock, if the phone is fully booted into the rom, the phone will freeze and require a battery pull. However, if you reboot and wait for it to boot and then sit on the dock there is no issue.
2. I cannot get HDMI out to work, just gives a blank screen and says no media detected. Wife's S4 works so I know the dock is good.
Does anyone have suggestions or should I just dual boot TW and AOSP? Haven't tried OTG , yet, so I don't know if that works or not.
Thanks got any help!
OTG works on AOSP but the dock doesn't fully work yet, there was a request to the AOSP devs, like sbrissen, to try and add docking support but AFAIK it hasn't been added yet.
To get full use out of your dock like you want you'll have to be on TW.
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Thanks, thought as much. Might have to try dual booting, I guess.
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Thanks, thought as much. Might have to try dual booting, I guess.
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Don't take this the wrong way.....
But is using the dock that important? I mean you only got it cause it was half off so you had lived without it before..... I personally wouldn't up and switch back to TW or dual boot just for a dock if I was happy with AOSP.
The only real feature the dock offers that I would use would be the HDMI, I certainly would leave it beside my bed with the screen on line an alarm clock cause our phone is prone to screen burn.
I guess what I'm getting at is if the only reason you're considering dual booting or going back to TW is for the dock then that isn't the best reason, if you're unhappy on AOSP then sure I could see it.
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No I love AOSP. It's the way Android is meant to be experienced. I just would like to use the HDMI in the bedroom to stream video. Also, it's nice to just throw it on the dock and charge it, but if you forget to reboot the phone, you have a froze device.
You are absolutely right, I got it as some what of a novelty item. I don't need it, but wouldn't mind some of the features it offers.
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No I love AOSP. It's the way Android is meant to be experienced. I just would like to use the HDMI in the bedroom to stream video. Also, it's nice to just throw it on the dock and charge it, but if you forget to reboot the phone, you have a froze device.
You are absolutely right, I got it as some what of a novelty item. I don't need it, but wouldn't mind some of the features it offers.
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I'm right there with you, I would love to use one even though it is somewhat of a novelty.... I just don't know if I would want to give up on a great setup to do that. Each to his own, I just want you to think it through thoroughly before you do it. And remember dual booting is a good way to fill up your internal memory.
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I'm right there with you, I would love to use one even though it is somewhat of a novelty.... I just don't know if I would want to give up on a great setup to do that. Each to his own, I just want you to think it through thoroughly before you do it. And remember dual booting is a good way to fill up your internal memory.
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True that
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I prefer TW ROMS for the extra features and love the smart dock now that I have everything dialed. To each, his own though. Most TW ROMS are pretty close to AOSP, worth just enough TW to keep everything working. Definitely worth at least trying out if you already have one.
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I prefer TW ROMS for the extra features and love the smart dock now that I have everything dialed. To each, his own though. Most TW ROMS are pretty close to AOSP, worth just enough TW to keep everything working. Definitely worth at least trying out if you already have one.
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The TW Roms I have tried, and I've tried the vast majority, are nowhere close to AOSP. Running a theme isn't the same thing and having a few little tweaks that change the DPI definitely isn't close to PAs settings.
Each to their own with what they like but TWs features are definitely not worth staying for me, the only thing I ever used was the Spen and I can get back almost all the features, and then some that weren't there, with an app.
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For me, TW camera, smart dock and smart stay are easily enough to get me to stay on a TW based ROM. Beans did a great job on his ROM. Theming or not, I rarely miss anything from AOSP. Plus everything works! BEANS with Apex/Nova and I guarantee MOST people wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
But hey, here's to having choices, right? OP can always nandroid back to his current rom, should he hate it.
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For me, TW camera, smart dock and smart stay are easily enough to get me to stay on a TW based ROM. Beans did a great job on his ROM. Theming or not, I rarely miss anything from AOSP. Plus everything works! BEANS with Apex/Nova and I guarantee MOST people wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
But hey, here's to having choices, right? OP can always nandroid back to his current rom, should he hate it.
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The TW camera is the only thing that I ever miss, however there are plenty of camera apps that one could use that are as good or better. For instance Camera FV-5.
As for Smart Stay, I honestly never used it because it never worked right for me. There are still other ways to get that back with apps that add similar functionality.
Like I said earlier the dock is nice, I don't own one but I have used one, but the only real awesome feature is HDMI. The rest are nothing special and can be accomplished in far better ways with other apps.
I disagree about Nova or Apex, TW goes far far beyond a launcher and pervades everything about the ROM. There are AOSP features, like per app DPI, that can be hacked onto a TW ROM but never work as well if they work at all.
There are certainly advantages to having a TW ROM but for some of us they aren't enough, perhaps when we get the 4.2.2 update and there are new features it may be good enough reason to go back.
Either way my comments were directed towards the OP who stated he preferred AOSP to TW, each of us prefer our own flavor of android and for me and the OP that's AOSP. If you love AOSP and dislike or hate TW you need to think long and hard before going back to TW for one feature that you've lived without, one that is a novelty for most of us like the Spen.
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I run multiple AOSP ROMS on my N7 and N10 and have been on multiple devices over the years and while I do love them, I really find them unusable on My Note 2 and Note 10.1. A lot of the reasons that I bought these devices are somewhat dependent on TW.
Personally, I feel like our devs have done a GREAT job of giving us ROMS that have the speed, battery life and customization of AOSP based ROMS (sure, not all), while keeping all of the functions that some of us like about TW.
OP was asking for opinions and i gave him mine. It also didn't seem like he had even tried out any of the TW ROMS yet, otherwise he would have a working dock. I also stated that he can always nandroid back to his current ROM if he hates it and all would be good. I mean, he already has the dock. Might as well see if it's something that would be worth switching.
Most of us here are crack flashers anyway, so it's just like trying another ROM. If you like it, keep it. If not, flash another.
Cheers!
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I run multiple AOSP ROMS on my N7 and N10 and have been on multiple devices over the years and while I do love them, I really find them unusable on My Note 2 and Note 10.1. A lot of the reasons that I bought these devices are somewhat dependent on TW.
Personally, I feel like our devs have done a GREAT job of giving us ROMS that have the speed, battery life and customization of AOSP based ROMS (sure, not all), while keeping all of the functions that some of us like about TW.
OP was asking for opinions and i gave him mine. It also didn't seem like he had even tried out any of the TW ROMS yet, otherwise he would have a working dock. I also stated that he can always nandroid back to his current ROM if he hates it and all would be good. I mean, he already has the dock. Might as well see if it's something that would be worth switching.
Most of us here are crack flashers anyway, so it's just like trying another ROM. If you like it, keep it. If not, flash another.
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I'm sure the OP has tried TW Roms, maybe not the latest but most of us flashed multiple before we went to AOSP.
While I agree the devs have done a great job there are some things that only work properly or perfectly on AOSP. And I don't know which Roms you have tried but Vanilla Rootbox has been perfectly stable for me, the only issue on the latest update is acore force closes but that issue wasn't there on 6-28, some of the Roms are rough but not all.
And a lot of us bought the phone for TW features and then found ways to implement the ones that matter in AOSP. I personally can stand how badly TW is bloated no matter what the devs do.
And while its easy to go back to a nandroid its always easier to stay on your setup that's working perfectly unless there is an excellent reason to switch.
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lhkjohn said:
I run multiple AOSP ROMS on my N7 and N10 and have been on multiple devices over the years and while I do love them, I really find them unusable on My Note 2 and Note 10.1. A lot of the reasons that I bought these devices are somewhat dependent on TW.
Personally, I feel like our devs have done a GREAT job of giving us ROMS that have the speed, battery life and customization of AOSP based ROMS (sure, not all), while keeping all of the functions that some of us like about TW.
OP was asking for opinions and i gave him mine. It also didn't seem like he had even tried out any of the TW ROMS yet, otherwise he would have a working dock. I also stated that he can always nandroid back to his current ROM if he hates it and all would be good. I mean, he already has the dock. Might as well see if it's something that would be worth switching.
Most of us here are crack flashers anyway, so it's just like trying another ROM. If you like it, keep it. If not, flash another.
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Oh yeah, I've tried them out. I actually flash every Beans that gets released. I guess part of me wants to love TW, or the features it entails. I kinda liked that Minitab thing that was going on, but just too laggy.
I don't know, maybe my gnex wrecked me, but I just love the simplicity and efficiency that AOSP is.
And thanks everyone, I enjoy the comments and suggestions.
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Oh yeah, I've tried them out. I actually flash every Beans that gets released. I guess part of me wants to love TW, or the features it entails. I kinda liked that Minitab thing that was going on, but just too laggy.
I don't know, maybe my gnex wrecked me, but I just love the simplicity and efficiency that AOSP is.
And thanks everyone, I enjoy the comments and suggestions.
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My same exact feeling for TW, I want to like it but no matter what it always turns out to be a bloated mess.... And then we have beautiful AOSP with its built in from the ground up mods that work seamlessly without having to install Xposed frameworks or having to hack the ROM apart and piece it back together. There is just something about AOSP.
Now if we could only find a Dev willing to port the TW framework for use like has been done on a few other Sammy phones! Then we'd have the best of both worlds.
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I have tried it out but I am not thrilled by it. I still need my Go Launcher and still like MIUI a little more. I have been using a Galaxy Nexus not the ROMs here (although I have tried them). Am I safe in assuming the on screen buttons (home,back,and whatever the other one is) wont be on the GS2 since we have actually buttons? I love the ICS theme but maybe since we have had the theme for so long already it just seems old already. How do you guys feel?
Does it have anything to do with the AT&T SGS2?
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I have tried it out but I am not thrilled by it. I still need my Go Launcher and still like MIUI a little more. I have been using a Galaxy Nexus not the ROMs here (although I have tried them). Am I safe in assuming the on screen buttons (home,back,and whatever the other one is) wont be on the GS2 since we have actually buttons? I love the ICS theme but maybe since we have had the theme for so long already it just seems old already. How do you guys feel?
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Onscreen buttons won't be necessary when we get kernel source - they're a temporary workaround for our touchkeys not working right on I9100 leaked kernels.
So far, I haven't been impressed with the ICS leaks for the I9100. A little bit of kernel tuning might fix that, not sure yet.
CM9 is quite slick on the Tab 10.1 - so a properly working non-Touchwizz ICS port should be good. The problem is that Samsung's anti-developer attitude makes me doubt if CM9 will ever be properly polished on the GS2. There's just too much of a minefield of undocumented Samsungisms throughout the device.
I was not in a rush at all to get ICS. I saw Entropy's thread with working firmware and the in call audio fix so I though I would check it out. Turns out I love it. I think its a huge improvement. G+ is a nicer experience and Gmail has a new look. Having Chrome as the default browser is pretty nice with the option to view as desktop ..and since flashing CM9 I've noticed incorrectly spelled words get a red line under them for easy spell check/fix.. I am absolutely loving it. I can't seem to pull myself away from ICS now
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I don't even want it.....at all. AOSP used to be clean......nothing......minimal. Now its a iPhone. A whole designated launcher with integrated everything ......its Touchwiz.....its Motoblur.....its....Sense. The official version we will see will be a themed settings menu and a new version number.....I guess its cool the wifi icon and battery will be blue.....there are a couple of things that make it alright in its function. One thing is for sure is that it makes the device it was designed around lag like a son of a *****....shutters like a frozen homeless hooker.
Maybe a cooked version comes out sweet.....Entropy will make a nice sweet kernel I am sure.....but official **** and straight AOSP .....I will be fine without it.
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Skyler2Dope, Entropy512, tylerdurdin
You guys do realize you can use any launcher you want right? I've used ADW and Nova on my i9100. Both work great...
ICS Fixed the Settings menu layout. In GB there was way too many things. ICS cleaned them up. I would say it's more MIUI then iPhone.
And EVERY iteration of Android AOSP has come with a new theme. Google keeps it fresh every time. This time was dark with lots of bright blue. Next will be Light with lots of... who knows, orange, maybe...
You can theme it how you like, you can still run what ever launcher you want. Or you can go back to GingerBread... All I can say is that for me it has fixed all my little complaints, if I had them.
I have ICS running on my captivate right now. I do like the new UI, but I have to agree that with all the ICS themes out there, I am not excited by the look. It does seem old already. At this point I'm on the fence. There have been some awesome roms come out recently in the development section so I can wait. Truth be told I am rocking the black and chrome theme on checkrom right now and loving it. More my style
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MIUI V4 is dope...all the ICS features and I can theme it any way I want!
like it. blue is my fav color. I just hope there is USB connection not mtp.
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Skyler2Dope, Entropy512, tylerdurdin
You guys do realize you can use any launcher you want right? I've used ADW and Nova on my i9100. Both work great...
ICS Fixed the Settings menu layout. In GB there was way too many things. ICS cleaned them up. I would say it's more MIUI then iPhone.
And EVERY iteration of Android AOSP has come with a new theme. Google keeps it fresh every time. This time was dark with lots of bright blue. Next will be Light with lots of... who knows, orange, maybe...
You can theme it how you like, you can still run what ever launcher you want. Or you can go back to GingerBread... All I can say is that for me it has fixed all my little complaints, if I had them.
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Ok I know assuming is bad sometimes, but..........considering Entropy has nearly 6,700 posts I'm gonna ASSUME he knows you can "use any launcher you want"
Touchwizz is more than just the launcher.
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I don't even want it.....at all. AOSP used to be clean......nothing......minimal. Now its a iPhone.
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Whoa.. AOSP is like an iPhone what?! .. man you crazy. My phone is NOTHING like an iPhone.. doesn't look like it, doesn't feel like it and the UI is completely different. Have you fallen off your rocker?
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I guess i'd be happy with 2.3.x with the email clients from ICS
I like it....but my iScrewed works way to good for my purposes. No issues. When all is worked out i will use cm9 though. I keep my eyes on the thread over there.
Waiting for Kernel source before I make my decision, but probably going to jump when that happens.
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Onscreen buttons won't be necessary when we get kernel source - they're a temporary workaround for our touchkeys not working right on I9100 leaked kernels.
CM9 is quite slick on the Tab 10.1 - so a properly working non-Touchwizz ICS port should be good.
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FWIW, I am running [ROM] [CDMA] AOSP ICS / CM9 - BUILD7 [03/04] from http://rootzwiki.com/topic/11697-rom-cdma-aosp-ics-cm9-build7-0304/ on my 7" Sprint Galaxy Tab, and I really like it, even these "extra" onscreen buttons have added value in the tab world.
But I can say for sure that I don't want ICS on my phone yet (regardless of the business with the touchkeys)...
ICS is cool and all. But I don't really care for work arounds. I want my soft key buttons to work.
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Exactly. Its got its hooks in about 80-90% of the firmware (just like Sense does).
As for liking ICS, remember the Froyo days? We had a lot of well working smooth roms and made Froyo enjoyable, then Gingerbread came out which seemed more like a theme than anything. But it was under the hood that made a lot of differences. The same is true for ICS, except the "theme" is a lot better, cleaner and intuitive. The under the hood stuff seems like a bigger leap then Froyo to GB was.
So am I excited, yeah. Theming can be done on any phone/rom so Im not worried about that, but where they placed things from older versions is much welcomed. Its the underneath part that Im mostly excited about.
Well said Red!
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Exactly. Its got its hooks in about 80-90% of the firmware (just like Sense does).
As for liking ICS, remember the Froyo days? We had a lot of well working smooth roms and made Froyo enjoyable, then Gingerbread came out which seemed more like a theme than anything. But it was under the hood that made a lot of differences. The same is true for ICS, except the "theme" is a lot better, cleaner and intuitive. The under the hood stuff seems like a bigger leap then Froyo to GB was.
So am I excited, yeah. Theming can be done on any phone/rom so Im not worried about that, but where they placed things from older versions is much welcomed. Its the underneath part that Im mostly excited about.
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Red.....I agree with everything you said. I do understand the depths of Touchwiz also.....I won't whine though as I am running a nicely themed version right now.
I also am right there with you with the old 2.1 roms ....those are what made me love android and spend the first year I was a member here reading until 4 in the morning. I am OK with the direction the ICS OS is going.....its just the look and what is now considered AOSP that is hard for me to digest. I realize that it is just a canvas but I am old school...every ROM I download, I pull apart change what I want, theme it....some times build my own custom theme....so I am not worried about the look over the long haul.
What I can say is that I was running ICS on my HD2 before the nexus was even released....it was fun at first....but the new-ness rubs off real quick....somethings I loved, some I hated......None of those things are something that I feel I am missing out on. Hey to each their own....my brother in-law is rubbing his nexus in my face every chance he gets.....and refuses to believe, that I don't believe, his phone is the greatest ever. But I don't......I just don't think its the same android....its cool and sooner or later we are all getting it whether we want it or not.
The one thing I am going to miss, is taking my brand new bloated phone, and flashing a sweet. ....squeaky clean AOSP ROM and after it booted seeing that sweet minimal dock and nothing else......now after a flash the first thing I have to do is get that hideous launcher with their oversized gimmicky icons off?????.....AOSP just aint what it used to be. I think I am just jaded that they took away a little piece of my Zen man...
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So I've come to a delimma.
Sooner or later, there will be an official port for CM9 or AOKP for the Evo LTE.
I had an OG evo for 2 years, and never really liked sense. Even when Sense 3.0 came out, I liked the ring lockscreen and the fact that you could drag a new message to the ring to open it etc... But I always found the sense 3.0 ports to the OG Evo to be half baked, or slow/laggy.
I stuck true to Evo Deck, and when he started developing the ICS deck, I kept up with it, as well as AOKP.
After using my Evo LTE for a week, I've grown to like sense 4. I really like the lockscreen features, specifically the dragging message feature. I find that sense 4.0, true to it's theory of development, is much less obtrusive than sense 3.0, but deep down I still have a yearning for pure google, the true ICS flavor (or at least AOKP, same flavor, but with sprinkles.)
I know that the lockscreen shortcuts can be emulated with a quad or octo lockscreen, but what about the sliding message feature?
What are your guys' thoughts on the matter?
Who's going to stick with HTC's sense when CM9 or AOKP (or even Kush's ROM if he's making it own, haven't kept up with it recently) come or, and who's going to jump ship to a non-sense rom and why?
I'm excited to hear what everyone else thinks!
Have you looked at go locker? Or widget locker? Those two have some nice features that emulate the sense lockscreen and are nice when you run aosp and aokp.
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Hmm, I don't generally like using third party lockscreens, in my experience they're pretty buggy and don't mesh well with the os, a lot of blinking out when you unlock lag, re-locks etc
get a nexus LOL .
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CM9 all the way as soon as it's released. I actually had a hard time deciding between this and the Galaxy Nexus but I couldn't pass up on the specs of this thing.
Cm9 allllll the way... As long as all the camera functions get ported over.
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so is ANYONE sticking with sense?
I also noticed that google wallet doesn't work with rooted phones....
I'll go back and forth between the two. I love sense4 but it's glitchy.
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so is ANYONE sticking with sense?
I also noticed that google wallet doesn't work with rooted phones....
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I tried setting up Google Wallet today just for the hell of it and it just wouldn't work. I think it's because I have 2-step verification enabled on my account. Doesn't matter, I never really planned on using it anyway except maybe to spend the $10 they give you for signing up. There are about 4 different mobile payment methods that are all supported by different companies (almost none of which support Google Wallet) I have a feeling it's not going to survive very long anyway. Even the GNex on Verizon doesn't have it installed because Verizon supports a different payment method.
As for Sense, it was useful on earlier versions of Android to make things a little prettier and more user friendly. Matias Duarte and his team have done a great job to address that and now I just feel it gets in the way. Think of what you have to go through just to change the wallpaper. On stock ICS you long press on the screen and choose change wallpaper. On this you pull down the notification tray>settings>personalize>wallpaper. It's just not intuitive and simple like it should be.
Another thing that bothers me is the recent apps. It seems like they changed some stuff just for the sake of changing it and have a worse implementation of it.
I personally have always preferred Sense or Sense based ROMs. Could never get into the vanilla experience on a phone it just looks so "8 bit" to me. I'll definitely be keeping Sense 4, love the look and functionality.
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I personally have always preferred Sense or Sense based ROMs. Could never get into the vanilla experience on a phone it just looks so "8 bit" to me. I'll definitely be keeping Sense 4, love the look and functionality.
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There in lies the beauty of Android, everyone can have exactly what they like. Take for instance the roms for the OG EVO by MagnusRagnarok, I always felt they were way over the top but there are a lot of people who liked them. I personally always defaulted to either CM7 or Fresh roms. I do feel that ICS is quite beautiful in it's elegance though, much more so than earlier versions of Android. It's not handicapped like iOS but still very intuitive.
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There in lies the beauty of Android, everyone can have exactly what they like. Take for instance the roms for the OG EVO by MagnusRagnarok, I always felt they were way over the top but there are a lot of people who liked them. I personally always defaulted to either CM7 or Fresh roms. I do feel that ICS is quite beautiful in it's elegance though, much more so than earlier versions of Android. It's not handicapped like iOS but still very intuitive.
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This is what matters is to keep what you said in mind. For example I like to try the newest thing but I got the EVO over the nexus for sense. That way I could play with the newest thing but always go back to sense.
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I've never flashed ROMs before and initially I loved Sense, however the issues with multitasking and Sense reboots is driving me insane!
Nova Launchers is helping, but I think I'll be trying a ROM, but only if it's fully functional.
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so is ANYONE sticking with sense?
I also noticed that google wallet doesn't work with rooted phones....
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I will stick with sense as I have not had the issues others have had. (Multitask, lag, etc..) Sense seems to run fine for me, hell it's a phone..
Also I have rooted my phone and google wallet works just fine. It did take me many attempts to get my 10$ credit but it seems to wkr fine. the issue I have is I never take my phone with me into stores, etc... so I haven't tested it yet...
I am going to get some (already ordered) some NFC tags so I can play with that seems kewl..
http://tagsfordroid.com/tags/Home.html
Also I really love the camera on this phone and all the functions. It's pretty awesome!
I will hang on to sense for a while until CM9 is fully vetted...and seems stable then I will probably try it...
So far so good... my friends are jealous!
For anyone who hasn't tried it yet the sense 4 car dock is arguably the best car dock I've used.
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I've always used Sense. I want to like stock and it is getting better but I still feel it is just a little behind UI wise.
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Thanks for the good discussion! I'm still on the OG EVO, running SOS ROM. Swagstr has done wonders to make Sense 1.0 run as it should but what I'm hearing regarding sense 4.0 just bugs me. Multitasking is something I use a lot of and sense restarts have always plagued me. I love the scenes in sense, use one for home and one for work and generally like the polish it brings. Hate the laggy aspects as well.
I love the new EVO hardware and while I was tempted to go with the GNex, it's just too dated now. If it wasn't for the multitasking screw up, I'd be picking one up today. In the meantime, I'm reading reviews and seeing what the Devs have in store.
A couple of questions:
What are the opinions on multitasking? I switch from Touchdown to Enhanced Email, to Voice, Pulse, Handcent almost constantly during the day. This sounds like a hair pulling situation in Sense 4.
Sense restarts? I know it's a sure thing to restart if too many browser tabs are open, but I also get it if I switch from Pulse to browser or another app a few too many times. Are people seeing frequent restarts?
Thanks again!
I haven't used sense in over a year. I use widget locker for the lockscreen, nova launcher for the launcher, beautiful widgets for the time/weather on the home screen. Even use a different dialer - dialer one, which allows way more customization than the stock.
IMO, sense does nothing more than dumb down the phone. If you want a dumb phone, go iphone
The pic below with the clock at the top is my home screen. Clock at the bottom is the lock screen. Everything right where I need it.
I've always liked sense best because I didn't really like the look of stock android, but now ICS went better on the UI side. I still think I like sense 4 better though.
I actually liked Sense as well. Even though I rooted my OG EVO to get superuser stuff and wi-fi tether, I stuck with sense.
Sense 4 looked very nice BUT it was reloading constantly. Every time i exited an app.
There are several root-required tweeks I have seen that are supposed to help this, but I'm not sure how much you can do as much memory as Sense is taking up.
For now problem solved with Nova Launcher, which I think I will keep even after I decide to Root & ROM - Very interested in what is going on with Viper's custom ROM myself.
Also, if you want to try a different phone dialer, check out aTakephone, just like my old Treo!
When the TB first came out it felt very snappy, very smooth and fairly quick. Rooted it and after some time it just seems to have no hope and I dont know why. I have flashed almost every Rom out there and it seems to work fine for a little bit and then within a week it is back to its VERY laggy performance. When the S3 came out, I got that and my wife wanted my TB. She is getting tired of me playing around with the phone and trying to get a performance fix and just wants a new phone. Should I try to unroot it and run it stock for her? Otherwise she may look at the moto razr M or the inc 4g. (not a phone I would have, but its not up to me)
The phone slowing down may be certain apps impacting performance, so you may want to look into that. Also if you haven't already I would ditch sense based roms and give AOSP a try.
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When the TB first came out it felt very snappy, very smooth and fairly quick. Rooted it and after some time it just seems to have no hope and I dont know why. I have flashed almost every Rom out there and it seems to work fine for a little bit and then within a week it is back to its VERY laggy performance. When the S3 came out, I got that and my wife wanted my TB. She is getting tired of me playing around with the phone and trying to get a performance fix and just wants a new phone. Should I try to unroot it and run it stock for her? Otherwise she may look at the moto razr M or the inc 4g. (not a phone I would have, but its not up to me)
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The aosp ICS is snappy but a few things don't work. I haven't tried there sense version but heard good things.
The Gnex is a free upgrade btw
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In my opinion, sense based roms are slower & have more lag than than others. It is pretty much up to you, or your wife, to let you know what she wants. I was really looking forward to trying out the newest AOSP 4.0.4 ICS by twistedumbrella. Have you tried this yet? I haven't been able to get past the "bootloop" but it seems that some are & some aren't. I believe you'd love the rom if it works on your TB.
Keep in mind all aosp liquid/twisted builds the video recording does not work. Knowing most women camera and camcorder is a must lol.
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Keep in mind all aosp liquid/twisted builds the video recording does not work. Knowing most women camera and camcorder is a must lol.
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This is some good advice for the OP. I recall running a deodexed 2.7 or something a while back that would probably work well for the OP. It is sense based but it was very stable and everything works.
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Otherwise she may look at the moto razr M or the inc 4g. (not a phone I would have, but its not up to me)
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If she's looking for something that is smoother with less lag then stock definitely won't bring her that. If you're able, I'd look into getting a newer phone. The Thunderbolt is at its end of life.
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Bought my G2 at opening. First one at store to purchase . This is the bes t phone I've ever had. LG did an excellent job. The only reason I will have to root is to debloat. This is the smoothest and the ui is beautiful. If you were debating don't. I came from the HTC ONE , which was and is a great phone, but this blows me away. Battery so far kills the ONE, which was my only complaint with it
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So far I've had a similar experience.
I cannot wait for this to get root, that is my only complaint so far.
The double tap to unlock really makes this phone.
It is a nice phone, but the fact we may not see AOSP is making me reconsider it. I like having the most recent version of Android as well as the stock Android UI, much better than any theme out there. Even the notification shade on stock is so much better. Oh well, have 15 days to return it, if anything new and awesome about the Nexus 5 leaks I may return this.
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It is a nice phone, but the fact we may not see AOSP is making me reconsider it. I like having the most recent version of Android as well as the stock Android UI, much better than any theme out there. Even the notification shade on stock is so much better. Oh well, have 15 days to return it, if anything new and awesome about the Nexus 5 leaks I may return this.
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What makes you think we wont see aosp? Yes it has a locked bootloader but someone usually finds a way. Just wondering if I missed something and we will be stuck like the gs4 guys.
bose301s said:
It is a nice phone, but the fact we may not see AOSP is making me reconsider it. I like having the most recent version of Android as well as the stock Android UI, much better than any theme out there. Even the notification shade on stock is so much better. Oh well, have 15 days to return it, if anything new and awesome about the Nexus 5 leaks I may return this.
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There is no "fact" yet, barely anyone has really gotten their hands on it yet to even start attempting to unlock the bootloader.
We won't really have a good idea for a few more weeks probably.
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What makes you think we wont see aosp? Yes it has a locked bootloader but someone usually finds a way. Just wondering if I missed something and we will be stuck like the gs4 guys.
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I'm just worried about CM as the Optimus G for ATT doesn't have official CM builds.
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There is no "fact" yet, barely anyone has really gotten their hands on it yet to even start attempting to unlock the bootloader.
We won't really have a good idea for a few more weeks probably.
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I agree and I bet we will, just worried for the reason I said above, the ATT Optimus G doesn't have official CM.
For anyone else that has one (Verizon model here)
Is it weird for me to say that this is the first time I've bought a new Android phone and didn't really care to change the OS at all, other than wanting to de-bloat it?
I ran CM on all my previous phones, and after using this for a day and all the features the stock OS has, I'm perfectly fine with it.
Maybe I'm getting old
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For anyone else that has one (Verizon model here)
Is it weird for me to say that this is the first time I've bought a new Android phone and didn't really care to change the OS at all, other than wanting to de-bloat it?
I ran CM on all my previous phones, and after using this for a day and all the features the stock OS has, I'm perfectly fine with it.
Maybe I'm getting old
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I want to change the OS as you can tell.
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For anyone else that has one (Verizon model here)
Is it weird for me to say that this is the first time I've bought a new Android phone and didn't really care to change the OS at all, other than wanting to de-bloat it?
I ran CM on all my previous phones, and after using this for a day and all the features the stock OS has, I'm perfectly fine with it.
Maybe I'm getting old
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Its better than samsung's touchwiz but I cant stick with it, the mms app notifications are much worse and the stock lcd density makes everything HUGE! I'm running 360 right now but some things like camera are funky.
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For anyone else that has one (Verizon model here)
Is it weird for me to say that this is the first time I've bought a new Android phone and didn't really care to change the OS at all, other than wanting to de-bloat it?
I ran CM on all my previous phones, and after using this for a day and all the features the stock OS has, I'm perfectly fine with it.
Maybe I'm getting old
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I run Hyperdrive on both the S3 and S4 and that is mostly Touchwiz. I would be happy just to root this one. I don't need CM or the others for this phone.
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I run Hyperdrive on both the S3 and S4 and that is mostly Touchwiz. I would be happy just to root this one. I don't need CM or the others for this phone.
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Speaking of Hyperdrive, I'm going to try and help sbreen94 get this device. A bounty thread will be open soon.
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Can't wait until mine arrives tomorrow
This phone has enough tweaks that if I have to stay stock with it, I'm ok. Had the HTC One and liked Sense 5 but coming from a Gnex I really wanted vast improvement in battery live. Got that now and then some.
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I am totally satisfied with this phone. Always having touchwiz in the past, this ui just kills it. Its been allowing time since I have been happy with a stock UI. already rooted and debloated and I'm happy. Only one gripe so far. Google play music is not sending Bluetooth metadata to my car. I can live with that.
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Picked it up today, and love it! The UI is so much better than TW, I don't think I'll even throw a custom launcher on it this time.
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For anyone else that has one (Verizon model here)
Is it weird for me to say that this is the first time I've bought a new Android phone and didn't really care to change the OS at all, other than wanting to de-bloat it?
I ran CM on all my previous phones, and after using this for a day and all the features the stock OS has, I'm perfectly fine with it.
Maybe I'm getting old
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I'm in the same boat pretty much. CM while the development team is amazing is overrated IMO. I have a Nexus 4 and I like AOSP, but I don't need anything but root so I clean up the stuff I don't want on the G2. Too many test builds too many bugs, I'm over it.
If I could get back the stock Android browser and UI I would be extremely happy, definitely nice as is though.
I just wonder if this is better than the Note 3. It looks like a great device tho. I had the Optimus G Pro but it felt clunky and the camera was not the greatest. But the screen was amazing!
I am easy to please. I never had issues with TW. I ran both cleanrom and bonestock. TW is fine. This UI is fine. Root and all that jazz is icing but really isn't a huge deal. It's all android to me.
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For anyone else that has one (Verizon model here)
Is it weird for me to say that this is the first time I've bought a new Android phone and didn't really care to change the OS at all, other than wanting to de-bloat it?
I ran CM on all my previous phones, and after using this for a day and all the features the stock OS has, I'm perfectly fine with it.
Maybe I'm getting old
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I agree totally. I love this OS
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Now that I've got my ZUGPe my Note is going into semi retirement as mp3 player / cycling gps / htpc remote and I don't care so much about features and customizing as I do about stabiltiy now. I have dealt with varying degrees of instability with many many CM and AOKP variations to stay on Vanilla-ish Android. I really really really hate Touchwiz, but do I have to go back to Touchwiz to get something really stable? I'll cut you off and say maybe my phone just never agreed with CM or AOKP so even if yours is stable mine never quite got there, never more than 2-3 days without a RR or lockup, and usually several RR each day. My old Incredible on CM goes nearly a month before an issue creeps up but to be fair it doesn't get a ton of use. Neither will the Note so I just want something solid and dependable, rather than cutting-edge. Thanks for tossing your opinions at me!
You seem to be very aware that this a loaded question and knowledgable to the fact that what runs good on one, may not on another, so I will respond to this.
I am in the same boat as you and do still enjoy the Note, even though semi- retiring it.
At the moment I am swapping back and forth on 2 roms to determine which I like best. They are older roms and never had a hiccup from neither.
Rootbox and Sons of Android.
I am having trouble however. I like them both.
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You seem to be very aware that this a loaded question and knowledgable to the fact that what runs good on one, may not on another, so I will respond to this.
I am in the same boat as you and do still enjoy the Note, even though semi- retiring it.
At the moment I am swapping back and forth on 2 roms to determine which I like best. They are older roms and never had a hiccup from neither.
Rootbox and Sons of Android.
I am having trouble however. I like them both.
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Hmmmmmm I never tried sons of android gotta try that. If ya want my opinion every i717 runs different. I've had good stable experience s with padawan, black star, and aokp 4.4 . There rock solid and the forums for them are very helpful. Now going to find sons of android lol
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Hmmmmmm I never tried sons of android gotta try that. If ya want my opinion every i717 runs different. I've had good stable experience s with padawan, black star, and aokp 4.4 . There rock solid and the forums for them are very helpful. Now going to find sons of android lol
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its PT's also
Carbonrom V 1.8
I too am not happy with touchwiz roms. And seemed always returning to one of pt's builds because they are for me rock solid. But TW.
I have flashed a bunch of roms, and try most any AOSP, AOCP, AOKP, CM, ... searching for a stable daily driver that works all the time.
I have been running Carbon Rom V 1.8 it's 4.2.2 and for my phone stable. Very stable. ALL my phone functions work perfectly, call quality, speaker phone, bluetooth, even my call recording app works. Camera, video, all good.
Really happy with this one. Battery life is a bit better too. If that is even possible with the i717.
I had been trying the nightly builds, and the huber kernel. But was getting an occasional lock up reboot, etc..
Had given up and went back to ol faithful Padawan.
Then found a Carbon Rom release version for our i717, Version 1.8. I did a full wipe, data, cache, and flashed it with TWRP. And the gapps-jb-20130812-signed.zip.
No OC but it runs fine without it. Haven't tried the huber kernel with this version, and don't plan to.
HTH
James
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I too am not happy with touchwiz roms. And seemed always returning to one of pt's builds because they are for me rock solid. But TW.
I have flashed a bunch of roms, and try most any AOSP, AOCP, AOKP, CM, ... searching for a stable daily driver that works all the time.
I have been running Carbon Rom V 1.8 it's 4.2.2 and for my phone stable. Very stable. ALL my phone functions work perfectly, call quality, speaker phone, bluetooth, even my call recording app works. Camera, video, all good.
Really happy with this one. Battery life is a bit better too. If that is even possible with the i717.
I had been trying the nightly builds, and the huber kernel. But was getting an occasional lock up reboot, etc..
Had given up and went back to ol faithful Padawan.
Then found a Carbon Rom release version for our i717, Version 1.8. I did a full wipe, data, cache, and flashed it with TWRP. And the gapps-jb-20130812-signed.zip.
No OC but it runs fine without it. Haven't tried the huber kernel with this version, and don't plan to.
HTH
James
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However, not to be technical, but its "Uber".
For Bulldogs function and for mine, we are not using phone function anymore. Just a sort of mini tablet.
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I would base this question on "which ROM would I flash on my wife's phone".... She also has the 717, but won't let me put my dirty mitts on it That being said, without question I would put AOKP 4.4.2 on it if she finally relented. One of the most stable I have run, and blownfuze said he has no intention of giving up his note anytime soon. Which means we will get support for a while on that one.
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:highfive:Yes, that is a great analogy, "which ROM would I flash on my wife's phone".
Only trouble is her phone is the i317. Carbon does have a release for her phone, but she likes the Jedi X version I have on hers.
I will have to re-investigate the latest AOKP 4.4.2 . I did briefly look at it and didn't get much past the known issues. Glad he fixed them.
I appreciate the developers here, and all the time they spend working and tweaking these ROMS.
However this Carbon works great for my i717. Camcorder, camera, gallery, all working fine. Bluetooth, etc.
I have had only one complaint about speaker phone echo, and I couldn't hear it on my end. When my wife called me from her note 2. I use the speaker phone option on about 1/2 my calls.
Thank you captemo for catching the miss spelled kernel. Wouldn't want someone searching for a mis-spelled anything! :good:
I hope this thread finds it's way to others still loyal to the i717 wanting something other than TW based ROMS. Retired or not, I like everything the device has to operate, reliably.
I did DL "Sons of Android" a couple weeks ago, and the .rar files opened up into something other than a ROM. Guess that one is gone?
i717 said:
:highfive:Yes, that is a great analogy, "which ROM would I flash on my wife's phone".
Only trouble is her phone is the i317. Carbon does have a release for her phone, but she likes the Jedi X version I have on hers.
I will have to re-investigate the latest AOKP 4.4.2 . I did briefly look at it and didn't get much past the known issues. Glad he fixed them.
I appreciate the developers here, and all the time they spend working and tweaking these ROMS.
However this Carbon works great for my i717. Camcorder, camera, gallery, all working fine. Bluetooth, etc.
I have had only one complaint about speaker phone echo, and I couldn't hear it on my end. When my wife called me from her note 2. I use the speaker phone option on about 1/2 my calls.
Thank you captemo for catching the miss spelled kernel. Wouldn't want someone searching for a mis-spelled anything! :good:
I hope this thread finds it's way to others still loyal to the i717 wanting something other than TW based ROMS. Retired or not, I like everything the device has to operate, reliably.
I did DL "Sons of Android" a couple weeks ago, and the .rar files opened up into something other than a ROM. Guess that one is gone?
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I just posted link the other day and gapps for it too
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I thought aokp 4.4.2 and all kit kat roms had issues with the display going crazy especially related to games and lock screens. I though the camcorder doesn't work yet for aokp. I am in the same boat. My s4 died so I am back to the old note. I am going to try carbon 1.8 or sons on android, as those are the only download links I can find. Thanks for this post.
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Thank you captemo for the direction of the Sons of Android files.:good:
I did DL them. My connection must have been wonky.
I had issues with the Gapps file. It must have been a bad download for me. Tried twice. Got the ROM to load up fine, but without Gapps I didn't get a good testing done. I was using TWRP.
Without an MD5 to be sure my DL was good I probably shouldn't have tried it.
So I reinstalled Carbon V1.8 from my BU.
Since my last post, I did have a FC and reboot related to my BeWeather App. I have also had issues with this App in TW based ROMs I've tried.
I don't load allot of Apps, or run many programs. And the ones I can Greenify, I do. Maybe this is why Carbon works for me?:fingers-crossed:
I reset my weather App to update manually when I use it now. I think it updating as the program opens has been the trouble.
Is there a problem with Auto-Brightness on non TW roms? My display flickers when I unlock my screen. This happened on 4.4.2 roms and 4.2.2 carbon 1.8. Is there a simple fix I am forgetting?
The auto bright setting on the non TW based ROMs I have tried have not been as smooth as TW ROMs. I set the auto function off, and set it to low.
Some of the non TW based ROMs have the slide your finger across the top of the screen to manually adjust brightness. Nice feature.
I went back to the download dropbox provided by captemo and re-downloaded the files, and got a good clean ROM and Gapps. :good:
I am using "Sons Of Android" now, and like it very much! So far so good!
Thank you, captemo :good: