Are we the only s4 with no 4.3 in the works?
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Im sorry but think anout what you just asked. why would a BRAND NEW flagship phone not get the next android version? Jesus christ, use some logic.
Someone forgot their midol.
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There will probably be a 4.3 to come, ~six months after everybody else gets it. Thanks for posting this in the right section. There are at least 4 question posts on the front page of General right now.
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Having a slopped together no custom kernel 4.3 build isn't all that enticing to me.
But I do have by own build that boots. Its OK. It feels and looks exactly like 4.2.2 ge. The differences are that it really is aosp vs tw-aosp.
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Having a slopped together no custom kernel 4.3 build isn't all that enticing to me.
But I do have by own build that boots. Its OK. It feels and looks exactly like 4.2.2 ge. The differences are that it really is aosp vs tw-aosp.
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Isn't there also a pretty significant decrease in Android OS memory usage? More memory for cached apps is always good. It may or may not indicate a slight performance boost as well. Lighter memory footprint may mean lighter CPU usage as well. *shrug*
Also, I believe 4.3 also improves graphics and GPU performance quite a bit using some techniques that I can't remember off-hand.
Hard to say how much these are kernel related or dependant though.
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Isn't there also a pretty significant decrease in Android OS memory usage? More memory for cached apps is always good. It may or may not indicate a slight performance boost as well. Lighter memory footprint may mean lighter CPU usage as well. *shrug*
Also, I believe 4.3 also improves graphics and GPU performance quite a bit using some techniques that I can't remember off-hand.
Hard to say how much these are kernel related or dependant though.
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Likely true. I only ever ran it for 5-10 minutes at a time. So none of the new memory handling was apparent to me.
I may play with it more but I've got a lot of other stuff I want to get done.
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Im sorry but think anout what you just asked. why would a BRAND NEW flagship phone not get the next android version? Jesus christ, use some logic.
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Check the other s4 forums dopey. And take a chill pill while you're there. No need for needless childlike hostilities. I'm just trying to open up a discussion about something I'm sure I'm not the only one wondering about.
Thanks for the input dubbsy, I was assuming it was something like that. I was wondering if there was working network on it. I just wanted to get it running to convince my friend with his nexus 4 to root hahaha.
I currently run your ge build, but would love a working 4.3 even just for the SS hahaha. But performance wise I'm sure currently something with all the tw firmware would probably perform better.
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For benchmarks the TW framework should bench higher every time. But I haven't ran benchs on 4.3. I don't know why it would be any different than the rest of the pure aosp builds. I would think any gains with 4.3 would have to be compared to a similar build of 4.2.2 and not TW-based. The biggest differences I've seen from AOSP to TW based roms were in the cpu category and by huge differences. Presumably due to samsung drivers.
I did not get network working yet, didn't really try. Probably won't because I'm too busy with other things. Random FCs also due to not having a kernel specific for the device. If I took the time to actually build my own kernel for it I could get it working at least as well as my ge build. But when I say that, any person with a working knowledge of android and using a kitchen could do the same.
Thanks for the input, that's pretty close to what I was guessing. Did you notice any increase in touch response? I read there is on the nexus 4 but no other devices.
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Thanks for the input, that's pretty close to what I was guessing. Did you notice any increase in touch response? I read there is on the nexus 4 but no other devices.
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No more than I get by tweaking any install. :shrug:
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If I took the time to actually build my own kernel for it I could get it working at least as well as my ge build. But when I say that, any person with a working knowledge of android and using a kitchen could do the same.
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I shouldn't have even posted this because my "whythehellnot" thought process got the best of me. So I have the 4.3 ramdisk, I have the CM 4.2.2 boot.img from the nightly, and I have my kitchen all set to build a vzw 4.3 kernel. Now I just need to do it.
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I shouldn't have even posted this because my "whythehellnot" thought process got the best of me. So I have the 4.3 ramdisk, I have the CM 4.2.2 boot.img from the nightly, and I have my kitchen all set to build a vzw 4.3 kernel. Now I just need to do it.
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Lol! Well don't overwhelm yourself haha I know you've got like 3 other gs4 things going right now hahaha but I'll be supporting you either way
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Lol! Well don't overwhelm yourself haha I know you've got like 3 other gs4 things going right now hahaha but I'll be supporting you either way
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Just need the kernel now.
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Isn't there also a pretty significant decrease in Android OS memory usage? More memory for cached apps is always good. It may or may not indicate a slight performance boost as well. Lighter memory footprint may mean lighter CPU usage as well. *shrug*
Also, I believe 4.3 also improves graphics and GPU performance quite a bit using some techniques that I can't remember off-hand.
Hard to say how much these are kernel related or dependant though.
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You are absolutely right. stock untweaked.
For pure aosp with no TW framework this is pretty amazing. Highest I've gotten on an aosp 4.2.2 quadrant was 8,8xx
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Which is TW. You won't get anywhere near 12k on 4.2.2 aosp. Comparing apples and puppies doesn't really work out too well..
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Yeah I know its tw, dont really care for aosp personally just wanted to chime in with my scores is all.
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Yeah I know its tw, dont really care for aosp personally just wanted to chime in with my scores is all.
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Seriously? You just had to throw your irrelevant scores into the discussion knowing full well it was irrelevant due to the scoring differences between TW and AOSP which was previously mentioned as being irrelevant in this very thread? Is that really what youre saying?
Anyway...Stock basically cheats anyway when it comes to benchmarks. Open up quadrant or antutu on TW and it will automatically turn on all cores and run at max speed, no matter how little the CPU is being used. ASFAIK this doesn't happen on an aosp ROM.
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Seriously? You just had to throw your irrelevant scores into the discussion knowing full well it was irrelevant due to the scoring differences between TW and AOSP which was previously mentioned as being irrelevant in this very thread? Is that really what youre saying?
Anyway...Stock basically cheats anyway when it comes to benchmarks. Open up quadrant or antutu on TW and it will automatically turn on all cores and run at max speed, no matter how little the CPU is being used. ASFAIK this doesn't happen on an aosp ROM.
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I was shocked by the 4.3 numbers to be honest. I knew it felt smoother and faster... But thought it was placebo. And I was wrong.
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As per Andrew Dodd (Samsung device maintainer for CM), our devices (4412 based devices) apparently leak memory when running a 4.2.1 AOSP based ROM. What effects, if any, will this have on our device?
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As per Andrew Dodd (Samsung device maintainer for CM), our devices (4412 based devices) apparently leak memory when running a 4.2.1 AOSP based ROM. What effects, if any, will this have on our device?
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Performance troubles over time.
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Performance troubles over time.
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So it'd be best to steer clear of AOSP until these issues are fixed?
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So it'd be best to steer clear of AOSP until these issues are fixed?
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It depends. I only saw him complaining about one app in particular and honestly, CM is not really AOSP. AOSP-based, but they have changed quite a bit of things. Who is to say the problem isn't there?
I know that probably singes the hair on the heads of CM devs, but they cannot automatically assume that CM is bug-free.
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It depends. I only saw him complaining about one app in particular and honestly, CM is not really AOSP. AOSP-based, but they have changed quite a bit of things. Who is to say the problem isn't there?
I know that probably singes the hair on the heads of CM devs, but they cannot automatically assume that CM is bug-free.
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Yeah I see your point about it not being bug-free. This dev also seems to get mad at quite a lot of things pertaining to developing for the Exynos platform. This post just sparked some interest and I just wanted to know how safe it would be for an end-user like me to use CM as a daily driver. Thanks for the insightful info though. Oh and later in the comments he says that even pulling down the notification bar can cause memory leaking so I'm not sure that it's only Ingress that's causing a leak.
edit: Oh and sorry to hear about your old Note 2. I hope your CLN doesn't die like that!
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This only applies when running the unmerged Mali changes. Since its mem leaking, it hasn't been merged into CM gerrit so its not affecting any current nightlies. Kejars basic kernel does have the Mali changes though so you might get some mem leaking if you flash that.
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What would the memory leaking do exactly? Just waste it and slow the phones processes down a bit? Or something worse?
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What would the memory leaking do exactly? Just waste it and slow the phones processes down a bit? Or something worse?
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Performance troubles over time.
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Memory leaks are basically something stuck in memory that keeps requesting more memory when it isn't needed, but never releasing any memory that they don't need anymore. Over time, the phone would just get really sluggish. Restarting should fix it, but it would slowly get back to where it was before.
I just got my S4 and rooted it and flashed Beans 2. Phone is so sluggish. I have wiped and wiped and reinstalled several times. This is nothing like the GN2 on beans 18 that i had. ANy thoughts? I'm trying Hyper ROM now.
Did you odin back to stock.
Use the stock no-wipe rom. It will fix your problem. I am using a stock rooted rom, it is nice and smooth.
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earled said:
I just got my S4 and rooted it and flashed Beans 2. Phone is so sluggish. I have wiped and wiped and reinstalled several times. This is nothing like the GN2 on beans 18 that i had. ANy thoughts? I'm trying Hyper ROM now.
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Can't blame a device for being sluggish when you installed an aftermarket firmware. That's similar to complaining about a firm ride after installing an aftermarket suspension.
I would say go back to stock unrooted and see how it runs.
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the gs4 in general is a very laggy, sluggish phone. the hardware doesn't seem to matter; touchwiz supercedes that and it lags it out like crazy.
i've seen varying reports of people who were happier with the Note 2 in terms of speed and less heat, and regretted selling theirs for an S4.
i sold my s3 towards an s4, so i can't say i agree with them, bc i was never a big note 2 fan...but hell, even the s3 was less sluggish than this phone.
stock rooted/unrooted on this thing is even slower than custom roms..hell, beans 2 is the quickest rom in my opinion.
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the gs4 in general is a very laggy, sluggish phone. the hardware doesn't seem to matter; touchwiz supercedes that and it lags it out like crazy.
i've seen varying reports of people who were happier with the Note 2 in terms of speed and less heat, and regretted selling theirs for an S4.
i sold my s3 towards an s4, so i can't say i agree with them, bc i was never a big note 2 fan...but hell, even the s3 was less sluggish than this phone.
stock rooted/unrooted on this thing is even slower than custom roms..hell, beans 2 is the quickest rom in my opinion.
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I actually came from a note 2, I kept it on stock unrooted and it ran the same as my s4. You guys are both noticing lag but are on the same ROM. I'm not bashing roms or devs, but nowadays, manufacturers are doing such a great job in customizability and speed that many custom roms only slow down or kill battery life.
The first phone I realized this on was my rezound. Most of the scripts and "tweaks" incorporated are all placebo and do nothing. There's devs that create Roms and add "faster and better battery life" like in every update changelog that it becomes ridiculous.
This phone stock does as much as cm7 did in terms of customization but some people still find reasons just to bash stock firmware.
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Using Clean Rom 1.3 odex version, my phone runs faster than stock and smoother than stock. The only time I get sight lag is when I have almost every app, including games running.
I think the s4 is going back tomorrow. I odined back to stock. And still not nearly as smooth as my note2 running beans 18
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I think the s4 is going back tomorrow. I odined back to stock. And still not nearly as smooth as my note2 running beans 18
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Hi I am looking to send back my S4 too. Do you know how to odin it back to stock? And did you unroot it? If yes, can you teach me how? Or point me to the website/thread that teaches me how? A million thanks
I wonder if there are some marginal SOCs out there that have a lot of throttling issues or something, because I don't notice any lag.
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I love this phone, but notice some slight lag when transitioning between apps and other things. My last couple phones were really bad for lag until switching to slimmed out custom ROMS (usually AOSP.) TouchWiz has lots of nice features that I enjoy, but I'd bet AOSP/CM/AOKP/etc will run much quicker once the quirks are ironed out.
On another note, I seem to remember other carriers getting a pretty quick update which made the phone less laggy. Obviously it also broke root exploits (I think) but nevertheless a lag fix would be nice. I'm stock rooted for now, but am watching development on several roms.
its got nothing to do with the rom I'm running. the s4 is laggy out of the box. clean rom was laggy, hyperdrive was laggy. beans id the least laggy of them all. don't get me wrong, I love my s4, its just laggy lol. Im sure some updates will help it.
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Flash hyper with faux u kernel OCd... it will change immediately
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Flash hyper with faux u kernel OCd... it will change immediately
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Of course one can get a new kernel and tweak it, but with the hardware this device is packing you shouldn't need to OC to have a smooth experience.
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I think the s4 is going back tomorrow. I odined back to stock. And still not nearly as smooth as my note2 running beans 18
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Wait for the google edition of the s4 comes out so you can try out the stable aosp ports. They should perform great. My galaxy nexus with the ti omap is butter smooth on aosp and that is a way slower chip.
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Of course one can get a new kernel and tweak it, but with the hardware this device is packing you shouldn't need to OC to have a smooth experience.
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Can't agree more.... quad core should be killing it. I think they rushed the 4.2.2 touch wiz os
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Can't agree more.... quad core should be killing it. I think they rushed the 4.2.2 touch wiz os
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With such high demand for the device there is no doubt it was rushed. You don't produce and move this many units without cutting corners. As Jay said previously I believe some leaks down the line should fix some issues that people are having.
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Well I returned thhe s4. Note 2 is muxh better phone, imo. Waiting for note 3
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i havent noticed any lag at all and i havent even rooted
Hey all,
Last night I rooted my DNA and installed TWRP recovery after using the latest Moonshine method to get S-OFF. I first installed the CM 10.1 Unofficial rom that I found under the DNA Original Android Development section, and that was a disaster, as it dropped frames constantly and was super buggy. I even did an Antutu test which it struggled through and scored a 11000... Then I went ahead and flashed one of the newer Sense 5 ROMs from the DNA Android Development forum and that one only faired slightly better with performance. I find it odd that they're running so terribly. Did I do something wrong in the process? I wiped the cache and dalvic cache and did a factory reset and all. I thought that with the DNA's specs, I wouldn't have this trouble...
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Are you 100% sure you wiped everything.
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Are you 100% sure you wiped everything.
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Pretty dang sure. I did the Moonshine S-OFF method, flashed TWRP, did a full wipe and installed CM 10.1.
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There is definite lag in the Sense 5 ROM's. If you want stability and speed then go back to original development and give Viper a run. A ton of customizations and very stable.
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There is definite lag in the Sense 5 ROM's. If you want stability and speed then go back to original development and give Viper a run. A ton of customizations and very stable.
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There is definite lag in the Sense 5 ROM's. If you want stability and speed then go back to original development and give Viper a run. A ton of customizations and very stable.
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Whoops, accidental post... Lol. What I was gonna ask was if there were any 4.2 ROMs that are relatively smooth and stable?
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Try Seeder.
I barely experience lag on the Sense 5 ROMs...
I definitely know what you mean. Trying out Sense 5 currently. I love Sense 5, but the drop in performance in relation to stock can be glaring at times. Especially opening and closing the app drawer.
This has been my experience on many custom ROMs over the years. I just think some people are more tolerant.
I downloaded an app from Play Store that fixes TRIM issues. Phone speeds up for a while, then slows down again. I also overclocked to 1.75 Ghz. The app is called LagFix
It's kind of crazy to me that our custom ROMs in this community have shown themselves to be A LOT more stable on this phone then "Fresh Out Of The Box" TouchWiz... for me at least
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I know right.. I'm searching other note3 forums to find something to flash.. lol. The devs are doing a great job on building these stable roms for us.
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It's kind of crazy to me that our custom ROMs in this community have shown themselves to be A LOT more stable on this phone then "Fresh Out Of The Box" TouchWiz... for me at least
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No doubt. That's because the core dev base is outstanding, and because a lot of the development work pushes the inherent flaws in the OTA builds. To build a rom, I believe one must dig into the guts of the OS, learning both how it functions and how to improve it.
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well if your going to keep touchwiz, you may as well be using a stable touchwiz.
though if it will make yall feel better im sure i could whip up some extra buggy roms with no problem
So long story short I came from a long line of HTC phones and one of the big things I miss about the ROMs is when the developers would take a stock OTA and debloat everything down to just the basic elements and throw a launcher on it. You would get all of the benefits of the OTA (better camera, better reception, etc) but still have the slimmed down fast OS. AI still have not seen that here. I was wondering if any dev would mind stripping a ROM down or if anyone just feels like I do?
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Why not aosp or cm or any of the other source built roms? Seems like a waste to de touch wiz a rom when those are available. .
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I just want the better camera and reception really.
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I just want the better camera and reception really.
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I know what you're talking about. Its not quite the same, but you could take one of the already debloated ROMs and go through and remove as many system apps as possible before affecting stability and performance.
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I know what you're talking about. Its not quite the same, but you could take one of the already debloated ROMs and go through and remove as many system apps as possible before affecting stability and performance.
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Just pick a nicely debloated ROM and then use a launcher like Holo HD. You can customize the heck out of it...you will never know TW is even there.
I found a really good debloat script for the Note 2. Worked like a dream. I took a debloat ROM and stripped it down even more. I love it. Here is the link for anyone else like me. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1932202
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I just want the better camera and reception really.
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The reception is up to the radio which we can flash separately from any of the roms if we like. Camera I belive you could just pull the app from the new image of the update. Glad the script got you the right set up.
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I found a really good debloat script for the Note 2. Worked like a dream. I took a debloat ROM and stripped it down even more. I love it. Here is the link for anyone else like me. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1932202
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Did you use the flash able zip or the one that needed a computer?
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The reception is up to the radio which we can flash separately from any of the roms if we like. Camera I belive you could just pull the app from the new image of the update. Glad the script got you the right set up.
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Not sure how exactly the note 2 is compared to the S3 that I had, but this isn't necessarily true. CM based roms have to reverse engineer the radio resulting in worse signal and data handoffs relative to touchwiz. As far as I know, there has never been a fully functioning touchwiz camera ported to CM. Correct me if I am wrong.
If you want better signal and camera, touchwiz is your only option. I've flashed dozens of CM based roms, and all have the similar data and csmera issues. Remember, your experience may vary, but this is all relative to touchwiz, which has the proprietary drivers.
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I used a flashable zip. And I also came from a samsung galaxy s 3 and I assume that the camera and radios like you said are reverse engineered. I have a four month old baby so to me I need the camera or my wife will kill me
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Not sure how exactly the note 2 is compared to the S3 that I had, but this isn't necessarily true. CM based roms have to reverse engineer the radio resulting in worse signal and data handoffs relative to touchwiz. As far as I know, there has never been a fully functioning touchwiz camera ported to CM. Correct me if I am wrong.
If you want better signal and camera, touchwiz is your only option. I've flashed dozens of CM based roms, and all have the similar data and csmera issues. Remember, your experience may vary, but this is all relative to touchwiz, which has the proprietary drivers.
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Ahh yeah I've only used tw roms I didn't think about CM