I just got my S4 and rooted it and flashed Beans 2. Phone is so sluggish. I have wiped and wiped and reinstalled several times. This is nothing like the GN2 on beans 18 that i had. ANy thoughts? I'm trying Hyper ROM now.
Did you odin back to stock.
Use the stock no-wipe rom. It will fix your problem. I am using a stock rooted rom, it is nice and smooth.
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earled said:
I just got my S4 and rooted it and flashed Beans 2. Phone is so sluggish. I have wiped and wiped and reinstalled several times. This is nothing like the GN2 on beans 18 that i had. ANy thoughts? I'm trying Hyper ROM now.
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Can't blame a device for being sluggish when you installed an aftermarket firmware. That's similar to complaining about a firm ride after installing an aftermarket suspension.
I would say go back to stock unrooted and see how it runs.
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the gs4 in general is a very laggy, sluggish phone. the hardware doesn't seem to matter; touchwiz supercedes that and it lags it out like crazy.
i've seen varying reports of people who were happier with the Note 2 in terms of speed and less heat, and regretted selling theirs for an S4.
i sold my s3 towards an s4, so i can't say i agree with them, bc i was never a big note 2 fan...but hell, even the s3 was less sluggish than this phone.
stock rooted/unrooted on this thing is even slower than custom roms..hell, beans 2 is the quickest rom in my opinion.
jayochs said:
the gs4 in general is a very laggy, sluggish phone. the hardware doesn't seem to matter; touchwiz supercedes that and it lags it out like crazy.
i've seen varying reports of people who were happier with the Note 2 in terms of speed and less heat, and regretted selling theirs for an S4.
i sold my s3 towards an s4, so i can't say i agree with them, bc i was never a big note 2 fan...but hell, even the s3 was less sluggish than this phone.
stock rooted/unrooted on this thing is even slower than custom roms..hell, beans 2 is the quickest rom in my opinion.
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I actually came from a note 2, I kept it on stock unrooted and it ran the same as my s4. You guys are both noticing lag but are on the same ROM. I'm not bashing roms or devs, but nowadays, manufacturers are doing such a great job in customizability and speed that many custom roms only slow down or kill battery life.
The first phone I realized this on was my rezound. Most of the scripts and "tweaks" incorporated are all placebo and do nothing. There's devs that create Roms and add "faster and better battery life" like in every update changelog that it becomes ridiculous.
This phone stock does as much as cm7 did in terms of customization but some people still find reasons just to bash stock firmware.
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Using Clean Rom 1.3 odex version, my phone runs faster than stock and smoother than stock. The only time I get sight lag is when I have almost every app, including games running.
I think the s4 is going back tomorrow. I odined back to stock. And still not nearly as smooth as my note2 running beans 18
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earled said:
I think the s4 is going back tomorrow. I odined back to stock. And still not nearly as smooth as my note2 running beans 18
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Hi I am looking to send back my S4 too. Do you know how to odin it back to stock? And did you unroot it? If yes, can you teach me how? Or point me to the website/thread that teaches me how? A million thanks
I wonder if there are some marginal SOCs out there that have a lot of throttling issues or something, because I don't notice any lag.
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I love this phone, but notice some slight lag when transitioning between apps and other things. My last couple phones were really bad for lag until switching to slimmed out custom ROMS (usually AOSP.) TouchWiz has lots of nice features that I enjoy, but I'd bet AOSP/CM/AOKP/etc will run much quicker once the quirks are ironed out.
On another note, I seem to remember other carriers getting a pretty quick update which made the phone less laggy. Obviously it also broke root exploits (I think) but nevertheless a lag fix would be nice. I'm stock rooted for now, but am watching development on several roms.
its got nothing to do with the rom I'm running. the s4 is laggy out of the box. clean rom was laggy, hyperdrive was laggy. beans id the least laggy of them all. don't get me wrong, I love my s4, its just laggy lol. Im sure some updates will help it.
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Flash hyper with faux u kernel OCd... it will change immediately
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Flash hyper with faux u kernel OCd... it will change immediately
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Of course one can get a new kernel and tweak it, but with the hardware this device is packing you shouldn't need to OC to have a smooth experience.
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I think the s4 is going back tomorrow. I odined back to stock. And still not nearly as smooth as my note2 running beans 18
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Wait for the google edition of the s4 comes out so you can try out the stable aosp ports. They should perform great. My galaxy nexus with the ti omap is butter smooth on aosp and that is a way slower chip.
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Of course one can get a new kernel and tweak it, but with the hardware this device is packing you shouldn't need to OC to have a smooth experience.
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Can't agree more.... quad core should be killing it. I think they rushed the 4.2.2 touch wiz os
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Can't agree more.... quad core should be killing it. I think they rushed the 4.2.2 touch wiz os
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With such high demand for the device there is no doubt it was rushed. You don't produce and move this many units without cutting corners. As Jay said previously I believe some leaks down the line should fix some issues that people are having.
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Well I returned thhe s4. Note 2 is muxh better phone, imo. Waiting for note 3
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i havent noticed any lag at all and i havent even rooted
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i'm going to root a friends stock Amaze. he complains that the battery life is less than perfect, and he installs a lot of apps. which newest ROM, in the opinion of you guys, has the best battery life, and has apps2sd? i assume all, if not most, apps have a2sd, just want to make sure. thanks!
This Rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1535173
This Kernal
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1359951
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Rom and Kernal are rock solid. No reboots or weird stuff at all. It has Sense removed. That is what saves a lot of battery. Any Amaze running Faux's Kernel will have a lot better battery life anyway. Sense or not.
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i'm going to root a friends stock Amaze. he complains that the battery life is less than perfect, and he installs a lot of apps. which newest ROM, in the opinion of you guys, has the best battery life, and has apps2sd? i assume all, if not most, apps have a2sd, just want to make sure. thanks!
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Energy ROM 3.10.12 release with the modified stock kernel. By far the most stable ROM also, which your friend will appreciate
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Energy ROM 3.10.12 release with the modified stock kernel. By far the most stable ROM also, which your friend will appreciate
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The Energy Rom has better battery life than CapAlpha, ive tested both and the Energy rom lasted me more, i cant prove it but trust me on this one
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The Energy Rom has better battery life than CapAlpha, ive tested both and the Energy rom lasted me more, i cant prove it but trust me on this one
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That maybe but I like sense being gone. That battery life is good for me. I had nothing but trouble with wifi on energy. Trust I had the right kernel all that. Great for eye candy though.
Really fauxs kernel makes the biggest difference at least in my experience.
I am running energy right now and it is giving me the best battery life so far with the stock kernel and some profiles set with setCPU. And capromalpha is running a close second, I have tried just about all the available ROM's and I'm settling on energy, even though I don't like sense that much the theme makes it more bearable + I have finally been able to get through a day without needing to charge my battery halfway through.
Now I just sit and wait for CM9 or a stable AOSP.
My 2 cents.
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I am running energy right now and it is giving me the best battery life so far with the stock kernel and some profiles set with setCPU. And capromalpha is running a close second, I have tried just about all the available ROM's and I'm settling on energy, even though I don't like sense that much the theme makes it more bearable + I have finally been able to get through a day without needing to charge my battery halfway through.
Now I just sit and wait for CM9 or a stable AOSP.
My 2 cents.
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And on the newest release, I noticed when I'm not using my phone, my battery doesn't budge. It was @ 90% when I went out the other night. 3 hours later, I checked and it was at 89%
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I also settled on Energy 031012 w/Stock Kernel. I use my phone A LOT and it seems to be the best route for me. My battery lives vary depending on what im doing so its not really consistant. But if I hardly use it it last a good 24hrs+
I just started messing with System Tuner. So hopefully stupid apps, like Maps Friend Finder, stops running in the background.
I'm using bulletproof. Would u guys recommend energy for significant battery boost ?. Bulletproof is INCREDIBLY stable n thats all I go for.
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fuego77 said:
I'm using bulletproof. Would u guys recommend energy for significant battery boost ?. Bulletproof is INCREDIBLY stable n thats all I go for.
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Imho, Energy is the most stable that we have. You can usually tell by the issues (or lack there of) listed in the thread... And if you notice NRGZ thread stays pretty off-topic because there's nothing to report... I did like BP2.5 though, and will call it a close second. I prefer the themeing and battery of energy myself
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Imho, Energy is the most stable that we have. You can usually tell by the issues (or lack there of) listed in the thread... And if you notice NRGZ thread stays pretty off-topic because there's nothing to report... I did like BP2.5 though, and will call it a close second. I prefer the themeing and battery of energy myself
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see, the energy theme is the only reason im not running it now. never really had any issues with it, just cant stand the theme. if i could have energy and have it look exactly like stock, id be back in a heartbeat
Thanks for your opinions guys. I like the "theme" on everything except for the icons...I like stock icons =\
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installed android revolution HD, as the link for energyrom wasn't working(md5sum did not match).
So based on recommendations in this thread I switched to Energy ROM (though not a huge fan of Sense). So far the battery seems to be significantly better even comparing to CapRomAlpha.
But everybody in this thread also implied that the Energy is the most stable custom ROM for Amaze. Yet I can not get WiFi or bluetooth working - it does not turn on (says "error" for Wifi and bluetooth just does not turn on). If battery life keeps going like this I definitely want to stick with this ROM but lack of working Wifi and BT is a serious problem.
Any word of advise or recomendation would be greatly appreciated....
Thanks.
Go to Energy Rom thread post #4 and download the stock kernel flasher.
Unzip the folder to your desktop and open the unzipped folder. Plug in your device, charge only, and turn on usb debugging via settings>applications>development. Then run the flash.bat batch file from unzipped folder and you're done
nav200, thanks for your response.
I was just about to post the "never mind" message as I found the same information myself. But thanks anyway. Totally makes sense that kernel did not flash in recovery with the ROM coming from a stock and CapRomAlpha roms.
I am really intrigued right now. I was already getting a better battery life but that was even with the wrong kernel and therefore no OC daemon in play. It should be even better now. I am recharging my battery to 100% now and will wipe the battery stats to start over. Will post with results later.
fuego77 said:
I'm using bulletproof. Would u guys recommend energy for significant battery boost ?. Bulletproof is INCREDIBLY stable n thats all I go for.
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Energy has a much better battery life....and with faux's kernal, its even more amazing
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Energy has a much better battery life....and with faux's kernal, its even more amazing
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How did you get faux kernel working with NRGZ's ROM ?
I get the WiFi error if I put the faux 009 kernel, have you put the previous ver (008) ?
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How did you get faux kernel working with NRGZ's ROM ?
I get the WiFi error if I put the faux 009 kernel, have you put the previous ver (008) ?
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I've read that you have to flash the kernel twice, sometimes 3 times for it to work
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I've read that you have to flash the kernel twice, sometimes 3 times for it to work
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Thanks glacier...flashing twice did the trick
Actually, I had faux kernel running fine on my earlier ROM so didn't think I had to reflash it again when I installed NRGZ's..but re-installed it twice and its good
Which ROM has the best battery life in your guys' opinion?
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On viperROM I got about a day and a half of battery before it died on me. And I was running his dual core ultimate mod along with it.
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wow! im currently on pkmn ROM, and its great, but the battery life could be better. i can barely last a day with it though. so i guess viper rom is the one to install?
every phone is diff.. a rom thats good on battery for one lte mite not be for another.. to be honest i got better battery life when i was stock not rooted not unlocked.. my battery life is still good but it was deff better for me when i was stright stock..
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every phone is diff.. a rom thats good on battery for one lte mite not be for another.. to be honest i got better battery life when i was stock not rooted not unlocked.. my battery life is still good but it was deff better for me when i was stright stock..
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I felt stock was better too at first, but then I realized that I just obsess over battery life more now since I actually see the percentages drop... I now prefer not seeing the percentages, haha. I know it's dumb, but it's true.
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I think the stock should run the best....
Right now I am running the Fresh rom (bc i had it on my old evo and the battery was always good) Right now I cant tell you which is the best one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1696645 (fresh rom)
But If the battery on fresh rom sucks I'm going to try this one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1696645
it has stock everything except that the dev added some goodies.
I really want a rom to be able to push my bat to 35 hours or more, that would be sick.
I got the stock rom to go 24 hours and having 45 percent batt life but i didnt use the talk function
So if anyone else has more applied knowledge on this topic i would like to read what there opinion
Have a look here...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1689597
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I prefer flex360's stock rom with all the mods added so far great battery life. 6+ hours off charger and at 92%.
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Thx for the replies guys! I think that ill go with flex's stock ROM.
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Thx for the replies guys! I think that ill go with flex's stock ROM.
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You wont regret it
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MARIO SHARK said:
Thx for the replies guys! I think that ill go with flex's stock ROM.
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I just got done with my battery test on this ROM and it is remarkable. Nearly 7 hours of screen time. I don't believe I'll be flashing anything else for a while.
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Stock is awesome for me.
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I just got done with my battery test on this ROM and it is remarkable. Nearly 7 hours of screen time. I don't believe I'll be flashing anything else for a while.
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You must be at minimum brightness, right? Personally I can't see the screen in such conditions, but I'm on the international One X and there is no way that I'd ever get 7 hours of screen time no matter what I do.
Were you surfing the internet as well alot?
What is the increase in battery life with Flex's rom?
wow!! I'm going to install right now haha
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You must be at minimum brightness, right? Personally I can't see the screen in such conditions, but I'm on the international One X and there is no way that I'd ever get 7 hours of screen time no matter what I do.
Were you surfing the internet as well alot?
What is the increase in battery life with Flex's rom?
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I had it set at auto brightness the entire time. I'm not willing to give up the best part of the phone. I was using my data connection a lot (3G and Wifi) for XDA app, browse web pages, downloading podcasts, updating apps. I never thought I'd see 7 hours of screen time either. This is still shocking to me. It's not like I put my phone on lockdown. I used it a lot.
When I took my phone out of the box, I got 2-3 hours screen time, I rooted and monitored/tweaked settings and I got 4 hours of screen time.
Then I flashed this ROM and something magical happened. Don't know what, but I am happy. The phone sleeps well when the screen is off. The only thing I really did of any note was allow wifi to sleep when not plugged in.
Now I have to see if it was a fluke.
now i dont know whether i should switch to the updated FRESH ROM or stay with flex's. do u guys know which ROM has better battery life?
thanks for the good word guys
i got an androidfilehost account
so i guess im officially a dev lol. faster and more reliable speeds ^_^
look out for an update soon
oh sweet! guess i'll wait for your update then!
flash fresh's and see if its smoother
^_^
ill release my update tomorrow. ive been optimizing apks for the past 4 hours. i hope its worth it lol.
if everything goes well, expect better ram and smoother experience ^_^
Flex, you will be everyone's hero if you improve RAM. I won't have to listen to SIII crap all day tomorrow maybe...
"OMG 2GB RAM!1!"
Ugh.
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Lots of people claim their roms as "buttery" smooth. Even the JB is referred to as Project Butter.
I am just a bit confused here. How is "butterness" of a rom measured? What are the metrics used other than the user's perception?
To me, it's like a person driving a new car saying "Wow this is fast" but when compared to his old car, everything else is the same (horsepower, 0-60, 1/4 mile, etc).
So my question is:
What is the basis of a rom being "buttery" smooth other than pure perception?
Is this something that is measured (such as benchmark, etc).
Please note that performance != butter.
Just because you have a HIGH benchmark result does not necessarily mean it's buttery smooth.
Is the "buttery" smooth definition belongs in the same category as the "butt dyno?"
thanks
Its like playing a PC game at 20 FPS and then upgrading your video card and now getting 60 FPS+
JB on my buddys nexus is the smoothest and most responsive experience I have had with a phone, and I say this as an iOS fanboy. I considered the iPhone 4/4S to be the smoothest experience I have had with a mobile device to date, closely followed by my iPad2.
JB on the note so far is disappointing compared to the nexus.
I think by buttery smooth they mean it runs very smooth....not it being actually buttery...and smoothness and speed are hand in hand...also if you disagree with the Devs make a better ROM than they can and run it yourself. Because we have some of the best DEVs around... All this thread is doing is somewhat insulting them and their hard work they do for FREE....it is pointless
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I think by buttery smooth they mean it runs very smooth....not it being actually vuttery...and smoothness and speed are hand in hand...also if you disagree with the Devs make a better ROM than they can and run it yourself. Because we have some of the best DEVs around... Alls this thread is doing is somewhat insulting them and their hard work they do for FREE....it is pointless
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Uhhhh. He didn't bash any ROM/dev. He asked how people define smoothness...? Only thing he was negative about was benchmarks, which is pretty justified.
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Overall, I would define buttery smoothness as a higher and consistent frame rate for operations and animations within the UI. Whether it's the "zoom" animation you see when an app is opened, or the sliding between home pages in your launcher, or pulling down the notification drawer on top of an already graphically intensive process, in a buttery smooth experience, all of those operations and motions would feel and appear extremely fluid as though they are natural motions, rather than a skippy, stuttering arrangement of frames to create an animation. It's the difference between turning through the pages of a flip book slowly, and flipping through it quickly.
I'm actually kind of glad you started a thread like this because Project Butter in Jelly Bean is my most anticipated feature, however for some reason, while everyone else is cheering about how smooth it is, mine is very non-smooth, worse than ICS in CM9 (which I would consider an overall smooth experience). The ROM I've been using is h0tw1r3's CM10 ROM and not matter how I try installing it (wiping all data and system and Dalvik first, or trying to install over CM9), I am getting a sluggish and non-buttery smooth experience. I hope it's just a bug that can be fixed along the way and not my device but because so many people are having success with it, I can't help but to believe that it IS in fact my device. The developer does however mention that broken hardware acceleration in the ROM is a possible bug. I hope he's right!
If anyone has any insight and can help me, your assistance will certainly be worthy of a liberal donation!
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jimmer411 said:
Its like playing a PC game at 20 FPS and then upgrading your video card and now getting 60 FPS+
JB on my buddys nexus is the smoothest and most responsive experience I have had with a phone, and I say this as an iOS fanboy. I considered the iPhone 4/4S to be the smoothest experience I have had with a mobile device to date, closely followed by my iPad2.
JB on the note so far is disappointing compared to the nexus.
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When you say that JB on the Note is disappointing, is this because you have noticed the UI experience not to be smooth and very poor and laggy? Also, if you do find the experience to be poor, would you say that ICS on the Note seemed to perform better than JB does? I ask because I'm having this very same experience and am trying to make sure it's not just me.
All the jb roms are in beta stages that's the only reason its not as smooth as the nexus but we have awesome devs and they will work out the kinks
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All the jb roms are in beta stages that's the only reason its not as smooth as the nexus but we have awesome devs and they will work out the kinks
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Oh, I don't by any means desire to belittle the hard work of the developers. I can't believe that they released a Jelly Bean ROM this quickly with the stability that this one has. And I'm fully aware that this is alpha/beta. The reason I have a concern though is that everyone else that using the same alpha/beta software is claiming that it's the smoothest experience they've ever had and my experience is poorer than ICS. Do you see my issue?
You will know what buttery smooth is when you experience it.
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You will know what buttery smooth is when you experience it.
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Haha good way of putting it.
Eric-1987 said:
You will know what buttery smooth is when you experience it.
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Was your experience with JB buttery smooth or did it seem worse than ICS to you?
I'm using the skyrocket port on my t989 with darkside kernel and its butter
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I'm using the skyrocket port on my t989 with darkside kernel and its butter
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Us Note users (SGH-i717) don't have the Darkside kernel nor the S2 port so I can't get the same results as you. I know the CM10 ROM we have available is only in alpha stage but it seems like everyone aside from me and a select few others are getting buttery smoothness with it. I'm not sure what the deal is since we all have the same device and have used the EXACT same process to flash the ROM. Frustrating...
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Was your experience with JB buttery smooth or did it seem worse than ICS to you?
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The first releases of jb was slower but the most recent ones are better than ics.
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Overall, I would define buttery smoothness as a higher and consistent frame rate for operations and animations within the UI. Whether it's the "zoom" animation you see when an app is opened, or the sliding between home pages in your launcher, or pulling down the notification drawer on top of an already graphically intensive process, in a buttery smooth experience, all of those operations and motions would feel and appear extremely fluid as though they are natural motions, rather than a skippy, stuttering arrangement of frames to create an animation. It's the difference between turning through the pages of a flip book slowly, and flipping through it quickly.
I'm actually kind of glad you started a thread like this because Project Butter in Jelly Bean is my most anticipated feature, however for some reason, while everyone else is cheering about how smooth it is, mine is very non-smooth, worse than ICS in CM9 (which I would consider an overall smooth experience). The ROM I've been using is h0tw1r3's CM10 ROM and not matter how I try installing it (wiping all data and system and Dalvik first, or trying to install over CM9), I am getting a sluggish and non-buttery smooth experience. I hope it's just a bug that can be fixed along the way and not my device but because so many people are having success with it, I can't help but to believe that it IS in fact my device. The developer does however mention that broken hardware acceleration in the ROM is a possible bug. I hope he's right!
If anyone has any insight and can help me, your assistance will certainly be worthy of a liberal donation!
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When you say that JB on the Note is disappointing, is this because you have noticed the UI experience not to be smooth and very poor and laggy? Also, if you do find the experience to be poor, would you say that ICS on the Note seemed to perform better than JB does? I ask because I'm having this very same experience and am trying to make sure it's not just me.
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My experience with JB on the note is the same as yours, its sluggish and choppy compared to ICS or CM9. One thing that I noticed is that I have the same experiences in CM9 and ICS if I use any of h0tw1re's kernels. I have to OC to 1.8ghz and even then I usually end up reloading a backup within an hour out of frustration.
I guess I'm one of the users on the other end of the spectrum. Cm10 is amazingly smooth! Most noticeably with recent apps and switching between apps, amongst other things. Seriously impressed so far. Night and day vs ICS.
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jimmer411 said:
My experience with JB on the note is the same as yours, its sluggish and choppy compared to ICS or CM9. One thing that I noticed is that I have the same experiences in CM9 and ICS if I use any of h0tw1re's kernels. I have to OC to 1.8ghz and even then I usually end up reloading a backup within an hour out of frustration.
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Thank you so much for letting me know!! I have received much criticism for posting about this issue in the h0tw1r3 CM10 thread because people think that my definition of smoothness is off. I realize that most Note users are having a good experience but there are definitely a few who aren't and its not related to user error! I'm using CM9 still because its much more smooth and responsive but I have no issue with h0tw1r3's kernel in CM9 as it's rubbing very well. Does using the custom kernel in CM9 cause it to perform like it does in CM10? Seriously bro, thank you so much for letting me know that you're having an issue too. Its great not to be alone. Even if it only takes the two of us, we WILL get buttery smoothness on our Notes!!
And again I reiterate, anyone who experiences the current CM10 build to have more lag than CM9, please post here to let us know! I'll keep everyone posted on my experiences or any more solutions or information that I encounter.
I just want to say that I have used h0tkernel for a few weeks now. I have used Black*STAR IV & V and FJ's UCLF6 b4 and both Roms running smooth with it. I'm sorry you didn't have the same experience I have. OC'd and running like movie theater popcorn.... Buttery.
To be fair tho I haven't tried the cm10 or the cm9 recently.... Best of luck to you bud! :thumbup:
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I just want to say that I have used h0tkernel for a few weeks now. I have used Black*STAR IV & V and FJ's UCLF6 b4 and both Roms running smooth with it. I'm sorry you didn't have the same experience I have. OC'd and running like movie theater popcorn.... Buttery.
To be fair tho I haven't tried the cm10 or the cm9 recently.... Best of luck to you bud! :thumbup:
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Thanks!! I have actually had excellent success with all of the ICS ROMs and CM9. They run like a dream even without the h0tkernel. My only problem begins when I'm on Jelly Bean (specifically being the current CM10 ROM we have). It would be much appreciated friend if you could report back here when you get a chance to try a Jelly Beam ROM and share your experiences. Project Butter is my most anticipated feature of Jelly bean. Its quite disheartening for it to be the one feature that doesn't work for me lol. Let's fix this issue together!
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I guess I'm one of the users on the other end of the spectrum. Cm10 is amazingly smooth! Most noticeably with recent apps and switching between apps, amongst other things. Seriously impressed so far. Night and day vs ICS.
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I hope to be there soon bro! Unfortunately I must live in Alaska because my night and day experience is inverted! CM9 runs like a dream but CM10 feels like Gingerbread (bleeeehhhhhh).
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The first releases of jb was slower but the most recent ones are better than ics.
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Is h0tw1re's CM10 the only JB ROM you've tried or are there any others that I haven't found yet?? (Aside from Paranoid Android because I'm pretty certain that he's using h0tw1r3's version as a base)
I've only tried pa and aokp.
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I prefer not to compare a fully stable release build against an alpha build ...
With alpha ...you are lucky to get a "favorable " running experience.
JB is bleeding edge for this device, and to date , the note wasn't even designed for it. That being said , I know that JB will improve greatly and function well , but comparison for "buttery" operation can not be fairly made at this point .
But since the question of buttery was asked ....I'll answer like this..
Buttery is the point where no obvious improvement can be made, an no obvious error can be found ...I.E. stable ...
Speed etc ....is finite ....as many changes are made to these roms by endless users under endless conditions. And there is no way to determine a best , other than the stable base on a base device without modification. And even then ...the device variables exist from the factory...g
I was disappointed to read about Scott's decision to stop developing his CleanRom. I found it to be a great balance between TW and Google Edition.
I hope someone will take it over. I don't see a clear alternative to CR.
Thoughts?
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First I've heard of this. Bummer. Well now i have a reason to try hyper I guess.
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First I've heard of this. Bummer. Well now i have a reason to try hyper I guess.
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Giving Synergy a try. But still keeping CR backup
If you're looking for a fantastic running ROM with the same odex'd stock feel go with synergy and odex it yourself.
The "life after" stuff is a bit melodramatic
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Try Hyper
The newest release of Hyper is incredibly stable, easy to use, and insanely fast. I strongly suggest giving it a spin.
disappointing clean rom is stable I will definitely miss it.. Thanks for a nandroid backup that I will keep forever
just wondering if you have a link or anything saying he's stopping development for it?
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just wondering if you have a link or anything saying he's stopping development for it?
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The locked thread and the last post in said thread are what are giving people that idea
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The locked thread and the last post in said thread are what are giving people that idea
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Ah ok. I just saw it. That sucks.
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Ah ok. I just saw it. That sucks.
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Another CleanRom fan here.....still running 1.2 cause it worked so well for me.
I wish Scott well in whatever he is doing next! I certainly appreciate all the hard work he put in.
Thank you, Scott!!!!!!!!!!!
I went to eclipse and used tb and deleted health and Samsung link. The two things left of bloat. Then flashed latest faux. I dig it so far. Farewell clean.
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Life after cleanrom is fine but better with it. Scott stopping has me wondering the birth to death rate of android developers. More devices and old ones that stay relevant already spread them out pretty good.
No idea Dev had stopped.. Def a great and stable ROM...now decisions decisions
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Yep totally bummed he's stopping, just loved how great everything worked on his ROM. I will give Hyper a try again. I used it before but had a few issues, looks like he's got it running pretty good now. Can always nandroid...
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So, is hyper where everyone is heading?
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yeah I'm still on 1.0 cause its the best battery life. I've tried 1.3 and 1.5R2 though not 1.6 or 1.6.5.
1.0 is still my DD. Smooth no lag (though i had no lag on stock) and everything worked with crazy battery life. I have all of the Zips DL so I'll always have the nandroids plus the zips. The battery life i got on 1.0 (.25% drain per hour idle and 6-7 hours on screen time) makes me not need to mess with other roms right now. Unfortunatley i was not getting the same battery life with the other versions of this rom.
Also unfortunate he closed the thread right away as we're unable to thank him for a great ROM. I wish him the best and hope whatever changed in his life is good or if not so good things improve for him. Thanks Scott
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So, is hyper where everyone is heading?
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Not me, I like CleanRom, I've tried Hyperdrive and really like all it's features but I'm running CynogenMod. Why? Because it works on my phone and NO TouchWiz ROM I've tried does work properly with all my apps and I can't figure it out? Apps that ran just fine on my Galaxy S3 work perfectly on AOSP ROMs on the S4 but will not work on any TouchWiz ROM and I haven't the knowledge, time or inclination to trouble shoot TouchWiz so.... CyanogenMod.
I almost cried when I read that message. After having terrible lag issues with hyperdrive, it looks like synergy will be my next go to rom when the update comes out which I will like because it will have more features than CR did. I don't like anything crazy but some tweaks that scott doesn't offer in his stockish rom will be nice. I am going to miss him very much though. Great guy and great dev.
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Lmao, I loled when I read this... Good stuff.
I am far from a dev, hell I've barely been using an android device for a month but, devs have such a thankless job/hobby. I am not aware of one that gets money for anything they do (short of "bounties") yet, get ridiculed when something they do may not work for someone.
I appreciate everything, would love to get into doing things like this just have no idea where to start. I wouldn't mind taking a crack at making my own ROM for personal use and if good enough, maybe public. I just have zero experience, lol
Are we the only s4 with no 4.3 in the works?
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Im sorry but think anout what you just asked. why would a BRAND NEW flagship phone not get the next android version? Jesus christ, use some logic.
Someone forgot their midol.
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There will probably be a 4.3 to come, ~six months after everybody else gets it. Thanks for posting this in the right section. There are at least 4 question posts on the front page of General right now.
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Having a slopped together no custom kernel 4.3 build isn't all that enticing to me.
But I do have by own build that boots. Its OK. It feels and looks exactly like 4.2.2 ge. The differences are that it really is aosp vs tw-aosp.
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Having a slopped together no custom kernel 4.3 build isn't all that enticing to me.
But I do have by own build that boots. Its OK. It feels and looks exactly like 4.2.2 ge. The differences are that it really is aosp vs tw-aosp.
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Isn't there also a pretty significant decrease in Android OS memory usage? More memory for cached apps is always good. It may or may not indicate a slight performance boost as well. Lighter memory footprint may mean lighter CPU usage as well. *shrug*
Also, I believe 4.3 also improves graphics and GPU performance quite a bit using some techniques that I can't remember off-hand.
Hard to say how much these are kernel related or dependant though.
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Isn't there also a pretty significant decrease in Android OS memory usage? More memory for cached apps is always good. It may or may not indicate a slight performance boost as well. Lighter memory footprint may mean lighter CPU usage as well. *shrug*
Also, I believe 4.3 also improves graphics and GPU performance quite a bit using some techniques that I can't remember off-hand.
Hard to say how much these are kernel related or dependant though.
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Likely true. I only ever ran it for 5-10 minutes at a time. So none of the new memory handling was apparent to me.
I may play with it more but I've got a lot of other stuff I want to get done.
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Im sorry but think anout what you just asked. why would a BRAND NEW flagship phone not get the next android version? Jesus christ, use some logic.
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Check the other s4 forums dopey. And take a chill pill while you're there. No need for needless childlike hostilities. I'm just trying to open up a discussion about something I'm sure I'm not the only one wondering about.
Thanks for the input dubbsy, I was assuming it was something like that. I was wondering if there was working network on it. I just wanted to get it running to convince my friend with his nexus 4 to root hahaha.
I currently run your ge build, but would love a working 4.3 even just for the SS hahaha. But performance wise I'm sure currently something with all the tw firmware would probably perform better.
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For benchmarks the TW framework should bench higher every time. But I haven't ran benchs on 4.3. I don't know why it would be any different than the rest of the pure aosp builds. I would think any gains with 4.3 would have to be compared to a similar build of 4.2.2 and not TW-based. The biggest differences I've seen from AOSP to TW based roms were in the cpu category and by huge differences. Presumably due to samsung drivers.
I did not get network working yet, didn't really try. Probably won't because I'm too busy with other things. Random FCs also due to not having a kernel specific for the device. If I took the time to actually build my own kernel for it I could get it working at least as well as my ge build. But when I say that, any person with a working knowledge of android and using a kitchen could do the same.
Thanks for the input, that's pretty close to what I was guessing. Did you notice any increase in touch response? I read there is on the nexus 4 but no other devices.
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Thanks for the input, that's pretty close to what I was guessing. Did you notice any increase in touch response? I read there is on the nexus 4 but no other devices.
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No more than I get by tweaking any install. :shrug:
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If I took the time to actually build my own kernel for it I could get it working at least as well as my ge build. But when I say that, any person with a working knowledge of android and using a kitchen could do the same.
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I shouldn't have even posted this because my "whythehellnot" thought process got the best of me. So I have the 4.3 ramdisk, I have the CM 4.2.2 boot.img from the nightly, and I have my kitchen all set to build a vzw 4.3 kernel. Now I just need to do it.
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I shouldn't have even posted this because my "whythehellnot" thought process got the best of me. So I have the 4.3 ramdisk, I have the CM 4.2.2 boot.img from the nightly, and I have my kitchen all set to build a vzw 4.3 kernel. Now I just need to do it.
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Lol! Well don't overwhelm yourself haha I know you've got like 3 other gs4 things going right now hahaha but I'll be supporting you either way
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Lol! Well don't overwhelm yourself haha I know you've got like 3 other gs4 things going right now hahaha but I'll be supporting you either way
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Just need the kernel now.
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Metallice said:
Isn't there also a pretty significant decrease in Android OS memory usage? More memory for cached apps is always good. It may or may not indicate a slight performance boost as well. Lighter memory footprint may mean lighter CPU usage as well. *shrug*
Also, I believe 4.3 also improves graphics and GPU performance quite a bit using some techniques that I can't remember off-hand.
Hard to say how much these are kernel related or dependant though.
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You are absolutely right. stock untweaked.
For pure aosp with no TW framework this is pretty amazing. Highest I've gotten on an aosp 4.2.2 quadrant was 8,8xx
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Running synergy
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Which is TW. You won't get anywhere near 12k on 4.2.2 aosp. Comparing apples and puppies doesn't really work out too well..
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Yeah I know its tw, dont really care for aosp personally just wanted to chime in with my scores is all.
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Yeah I know its tw, dont really care for aosp personally just wanted to chime in with my scores is all.
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Seriously? You just had to throw your irrelevant scores into the discussion knowing full well it was irrelevant due to the scoring differences between TW and AOSP which was previously mentioned as being irrelevant in this very thread? Is that really what youre saying?
Anyway...Stock basically cheats anyway when it comes to benchmarks. Open up quadrant or antutu on TW and it will automatically turn on all cores and run at max speed, no matter how little the CPU is being used. ASFAIK this doesn't happen on an aosp ROM.
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Seriously? You just had to throw your irrelevant scores into the discussion knowing full well it was irrelevant due to the scoring differences between TW and AOSP which was previously mentioned as being irrelevant in this very thread? Is that really what youre saying?
Anyway...Stock basically cheats anyway when it comes to benchmarks. Open up quadrant or antutu on TW and it will automatically turn on all cores and run at max speed, no matter how little the CPU is being used. ASFAIK this doesn't happen on an aosp ROM.
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I was shocked by the 4.3 numbers to be honest. I knew it felt smoother and faster... But thought it was placebo. And I was wrong.
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