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I am in no way saying the devs suck, I'm just saying that I look at the development section at least 4 times a day, and all the ROMs are repetitive.
I was just looking at the Sensation development and it seems like they're way ahead of us.
I love our devs and we would be nothing without them. I'm just wondering if anyone feels the same as me.
Plz don't flame.
Not enough ROMs?
PM the mods and ask wher'd the devs go.
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Not enough ROMs?
PM the mods and ask wher'd the devs go.
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No I'm saying that the ROMs are repetitive. Like there's nothing new. Most all the same ****. Not to say that they're bad or anything.
I agree. I guess it could be a mixture of the whole bootloader issue, and the way these forums were moderated. It greatly discouraged many developers. It could also be that with many other great phones coming out some devs may not have even gotten the EVO 3D to wait for the SGS2 or the next Nexus. Or maybe developing for this phone is harder than it was for the EVO, I don't know since I am not a developer. Hopefully well start seeing some ROM's such as Cyanogen and MIUI soon. Right now all of the ROM's are pretty much the same, just minor tweaks from stock. Not to take anything away from the hard work of those devs.
It's not because of the moderators. It's because there's no official AOSP builds yet.
I agree the only choice is sense 3.0 or senseless 3.0 with various tweaks thrown in. I just know of a few devs that left because of the poor moderating also. Im happy with what the forum has to offer though. The kernels are a huge plus for me.
don't forget that there were some Shipped S-OFF Sensations around before root, and also that their user base, being a global phone, is probably much, much bigger than ours.
nope i found my rom and my kernel and sticking with it until a aosp build is out
I'm hoping the next update will get more stuff going...
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nope i found my rom and my kernel and sticking with it until a aosp build is out
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What rom and kernel is that cheesy?
Agree I have that same feeling as well slow development but I'm sure great stuff will come
what does the sensation have that we do not?
why do you want aosp builds out that don't work (sound, camera, etc) out for general consumption?
don't you think there are enough d3rp threads for people who don't know how to read?
Check out my kernel. ive posted several updates over the past few days
OP - I totally agree. I seriously almost posted this exact same thing a day ago but was too scared to get flamed. And I'm not saying anything bad about our devs - I was mostly wondering if there are specific technical challenges that are delaying AOSP ROMs. It just doesn't seem like it took this long for anything to release on the OG EVO (or maybe I'm imagining). Also, I remember that I LOVED flashing new AOSP ROMs and kernels, broken camera and everything! That was part of the fun: I flash a ROM today and it makes my phone way faster but breaks the camera, then tomorrow I get the camera back but the system is unstable - either way, I have the most cutting edge firmware in existence every time I flashed a nightly. Please, Devs, if you are holding back because everything isnt functional, there are a lot of us dying to try new stuff out.
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what does the sensation have that we do not?
why do you want aosp builds out that don't work (sound, camera, etc) out for general consumption?
don't you think there are enough d3rp threads for people who don't know how to read?
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Some people have AOSP builds that are 100% working. They're just not releasing them until CM7 is officially brought over.
So I just went through the sensation development thread, I would say the first twenty. And I found nothing interesting. Not one cool, oh that's different ROM. Theyre was a aosp ROM that didn't have audio camera etc, please elaborate O.P. in what they have that we dont
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Some people have AOSP builds that are 100% working. They're just not releasing them until CM7 is officially brought over.
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Lol, what if I told you tge same about the 3d?
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Some people have AOSP builds that are 100% working. They're just not releasing them until CM7 is officially brought over.
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lol - since you ARE knowledge - please enlighten me.
People have ported them and kept them to themselves because of the moderators that we have. The mods for our forum make everything difficult. You see how the R3MIX kernel developer has left, and agrageben(no idea how to spell it) has almost completely left us.
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As an AOSP fan this is what I always see...a bunch of Sense roms and a few AOSP roms...sans AOSP.
Not to diminish the efforts of the Sense devs...Synergy is kicking serious ass on my phone right now and I'm loving it....but I can't wait for AOSP CM7/MIUI builds to break everything and build it back up. Not to mention the really extravagant kernels. Bring on the AOSP CFS/UV/HAVS/OC kernels with 80mb roms....
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Some people are waiting until CM7 is officially brought over and then they can release their AOSP kangs that are somewhat working.
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FTFY
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Basically, I'm thinking about trading in my Nexus for an HTC Rezound. Don't get me wrong: I freaking love this phone, and have been dying to get it for months. There's nothing wrong with it.
My issue is that I'm a flash-o-holic. Now that the Rezound has an unlocked boot loader, I'm worried that it will have more ROM options.
With the Rezound, I'll eventually be able to run ISC. it can run sense roms. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like with the Rezound I'd be able to flash everything I could with my Nexus PLUS all of the 2.3 and Sense roms, right? and that means more options.
So, I need some clarification:
Can the Nexus run anything other than 4.0 based roms? (like 2.3 based ones)
Can the Nexus potentially run a Sense rom?
With the bigger development community of the Nexus, am I better of staying where I am?
I had an Incredible before, and was in love with it. GREAT dev community and tons of ROMs and development even to this day. I liked CM7 and MIUI, but I put a huge value on always being able to come back to Sense. One of my concerns with the Rezound is that the development and the development community will die after a couple months and the next bigger, brighter HTC phone comes out.
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If you like sense, then I would highly recommend the Rezound. If you don't, then the Nexus is the way to go. That is what made the decision for me.
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Basically, I'm thinking about trading in my Nexus for an HTC Rezound. Don't get me wrong: I freaking love this phone, and have been dying to get it for months. There's nothing wrong with it.
My issue is that I'm a flash-o-holic. Now that the Rezound has an unlocked boot loader, I'm worried that it will have more ROM options.
With the Rezound, I'll eventually be able to run ISC. it can run sense roms. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like with the Rezound I'd be able to flash everything I could with my Nexus PLUS all of the 2.3 and Sense roms, right? and that means more options.
So, I need some clarification:
Can the Nexus run anything other than 4.0 based roms? (like 2.3 based ones)
Can the Nexus potentially run a Sense rom?
With the bigger development community of the Nexus, am I better of staying where I am?
I had an Incredible before, and was in love with it. GREAT dev community and tons of ROMs and development even to this day. I liked CM7 and MIUI, but I put a huge value on always being able to come back to Sense. One of my concerns with the Rezound is that the development and the development community will die after a couple months and the next bigger, brighter HTC phone comes out.
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I don't see why you would want to go back to GB after being on ICS. I really doubt the Nexus will be able to run a sensed based ROM. It is very difficult to port sense over to other phones from what I have heard. Development will definately heat up for this phone! You just have to give it some time since we just got the unlock today. Look at the Tbolt it's still being developed for... Hell even the OG Droid still has some development. Idk how long you plan to keep your device for, usually 1 year to 1 1/2 year is the max for me. I'm sure there development for that amount of time if not longer.
The Rezound just isn't "another HTC phone" so you don't have to worry about it fading away. I'm sure there will be enough ROMs for the Rezound to satisfy any crack flasher. So in the end it's your choice, you just need to weigh all the options against each other.
We have some of the best devs on this phone including themers. I have no doubt you'll have plenty of roms and themes to flash. I personally plan to port all five or six of my themes over once I have scott's base. Side note : My themes are usually not posted on xda. For those that know me, I haven't posted here for some time.
I'm pretty sure there's a sticky here that list all the devs that have committed to working on the Rezound.
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i guess I just got used to switching up roms every couple weeks or so with my incredible. I'd run a sense rom for a couple weeks, get bored with it, switch to cm7 for a couple weeks, switch to miui, etc.
I don't like the idea of finding one rom, and sticking with it forever, even if all others are "inferior." I like to mix it up.
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I'm leaving Sprint for Verizon, and the Rezound looks like the best phone they have. Using custom roms is a must for me. I'm not a fan of sense either, so it'd be awesome to change from that ASAP.
I've looked around a bit, and it looks like there are no AOSP roms for the Rezound yet. And the sense-less ICS roms seem to be too buggy to use daily. It also doesn't sound like the Rezound will ever see MIUI. Is there any reason why people would say that?
So what is the situation with using custom roms on this phone right now? Is it something that will happen eventually, or is it something that probably won't happen before the next big thing comes along and everyone ditches this phone?
I really, really like the specs of this phone and I know that HTC makes extremely good devices, but if the rom situation is bad then I can't use it.
I wouldn't say the Senseless ROMs are buggy, and if nothing else, use the desense tool on any Sense ROM, I'm dying for AOSP but I'm waiting like everyone else.
I recently just use sense for the first time and I like it a lot. Especially with ice cream sandwich
Do you think when the rezound gets an aosp rom we'd eventually get a port of miui?
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Hey everyone, I wanted to know your guys' opinion on which interface you like more? Do you prefer Sense or AOKP/Cyanogenmod 9 and why?
oh and also, which one has better battery life?
The day cm9 works fine on this phone is the last day I ever use sense in my whole life.
typically for me (especially now that sense is actually decent) i stay with sense until a really nice stock rom comes out then go to that and after a few months go back to sense and so on and so ........................ect.
I have no problem with Sense, but always end up running CM. There are just too many tweaks I want to make to my phone that Sense ROM's never seem to bake in. With Sense ROM's I'm usually going "crap I wish I could do that!" With CM it's "Sweet! I can do that!"
I think i like sense more. It is more refined. I like the look of aosp ics though. I'm really hoping a nice blue sense theme is released sometime.
The hardware is good enough that i do not believe one will perform better than the other like in the past.
The fact that the notification light doesn't time out on stock draws me to it though. It is my biggest complaint about sense.
When CM9/AOKP becomes more bug free, I'll try it out. I used CM7 a ton on my OG and AOKP quite a bit on my 3D.
Until then, I'm not even rooting my phone. I see no reason to as of yet.
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I have no problem with Sense, but always end up running CM. There are just too many tweaks I want to make to my phone that Sense ROM's never seem to bake in. With Sense ROM's I'm usually going "crap I wish I could do that!" With CM it's "Sweet! I can do that!"
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have you seen the evo classic rom by tommytomatoe in the og evo forums? i would absolutely say that has more tweaks than cm. just throwing it out there, not trying to start an internet war haha
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have you seen the evo classic rom by tommytomatoe in the og evo forums? i would absolutely say that has more tweaks than cm. just throwing it out there, not trying to start an internet war haha
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Haha yea tommy's "classic"is a classic!! I always seem to find myself flashing back to his Rom after flashing others it just draws me back in
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Why has this been locked?? There are no ICS ROM's that are any good??? Santod's basic ROM is just debloated stock.....
I really don't understand why they find the need to play God around here.... There are no ROM's!!! At this point there is no reason for an XDA Thunderbolt page!
STOP LOCKING THREADS... WHO GIVES A CRAP THAT IT IS OFF SANTOD'S BASE... THIS IS WHY THE PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE ANDROID... TOO MUCH POLITICS AND BULL CRAP.. JUST LET THESE GUYS MAKE GOOD ROMS SO WE CAN ENJOY OURSELVES...
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BUILDING OFF OTHER PEOPLES WORK.. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S CELL PHONE SOFTWARE!
JESUS H CHRIST..,..
Where can I find this ROM now? It has been removed from roots wiki as well?
5 custom ICS roms and 4 stock roms >>> HERE
Look around, there is more then just a stock rom there.
Don't speak about something you do not know the details of.
XDA has rules, so do other sites and when it comes to disrespecting me and the source from which you got your materials from, I then have rules too.
Besides, I have been told numerous times now that what I contributed wasn't anything, and easy enough to do.
So there should be no problem with it standing in any real devs way.
They simply make their own base and move on.
So crying about it is unnecessary for anyone involved, including me.
Everyone just does their own thing and moves on, simple as that.
I am hating on you Santod.. I have a lot of respect for you and i am sure everyone does.. I am on your rom right now.. The non eternity one... And it is honestly awesome, i just want a more aosp rom, i know you have a desense rom in the making but it has been pulled for weeks now.. I wanted to see mack, you, and jester all make a combined kick ass rom.. I am crying because i just want to see the tbolt finally succeed and with the help of all you great devs and hopefully an htc source code release.. The day may come.. I think you should all work together... Everyone respects all the devs but its awesome to see you guya work together.
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It's still on the host server and plenty are running it.
Check the last few pages of the thread....
I believe I posted 3-4 updates on that rom, this week alone.
Wow now I remember why I just got over this phone and moved on. Santod040 is the only one that attempted to integrate the patches into gb to get ICS for you guys. It wasn't a typical ruu, a lot of work had to go into that integration. And then everyone acted like it was open season on his work. His attitude might have been better if he was ever asked in the first place for it to be used. But he wasn't, and none of the other ICS roms really were any different than any of his. And I have seen a lot of people say that integrating the patches was easy work, but yet no other dev has done it themselves. There's a difference between development and taking someone else's rom zip, theming it, adding other tweaks also developed by someone else, and calling it yours.
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Wow now I remember why I just got over this phone and moved on. Santod040 is the only one that attempted to integrate the patches into gb to get ICS for you guys. It wasn't a typical ruu, a lot of work had to go into that integration. And then everyone acted like it was open season on his work. His attitude might have been better if he was ever asked in the first place for it to be used. But he wasn't, and none of the other ICS roms really were any different than any of his. And I have seen a lot of people say that integrating the patches was easy work, but yet no other dev has done it themselves. There's a difference between development and taking someone else's rom zip, theming it, adding other tweaks also developed by someone else, and calling it yours.
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This is a pretty good explanation of where I think santod is coming from even though it isn't coming from him directly. All of you are acting like it was some walk in the park or something to assemble the ota but it sure is taking all of you a lot longer than it took him to do.
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This is a pretty good explanation of where I think santod is coming from even though it isn't coming from him directly. All of you are acting like it was some walk in the park or something to assemble the ota but it sure is taking all of you a lot longer than it took him to do.
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Not really trying to speak for him, just back him up. It seems the easier rooting/roming becomes the less people seem to understand (or care to understand) what goes into development. They just want it now and don't care how they get it.
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Everybody respects Santod... but his ROM's are not on XDA they are on Infected Roms.... I am on his NuSense Rom for a while now.... It just seems ridiculous that Mack and Santod could not work together IMO... Now if Mack was refusing to give Santod his fully deserved credit for the Base and Stock Rom then yeah I understand.
I am not hating on Santod what so ever... I am getting the best battery life ever on his NuSense Sense 3.6 Rom... With Nova Launcher it actually moves pretty nice too for stock kernel...
Let's be honest though... Sense 3.6 sucks... Sense Sucks... We all want AOSP.. That is not happening until the Source get's released... so a Desensed Rom is something of extreme interest.
I can not wait for the Jelato Santod Rom to be done... I just figured maybe Mack or Jester may be able to throw Santod some ideas maybe and before you know if we would have a 10x better DeSensed ROM then if it was just by one particular Dev.
Yeah I mean the only thing that bugs me is that while Santod makes a good rom, he cant help himself from customizing it the way *he* likes it, and not the general public at times. Every time I use one of his roms I'm like "wow, amazing performance, sweet battery life, all the features but wtf is up with this font? Why this theme?". It'd be like getting a rewritten AOSP rom built from HTC's source, and then shipping it with a hello kitty theme I liked Mack's work because it had that truly vanilla feel to it with all the under the hood tweaks a launcher like Apex can offer. The new Jelato rom actually runs worse than the unsense rom, albeit just slightly. It's certainly better than Sense, but still kinda leaves something to be desired.
I guess what I ultimately dont get is why anybody cares if someone else rips off your work. It's not like either of them are being paid here, which means it all comes down to fame and recognition. If your motives are pure, and you are simply doing this for the community, then you should be happy that someone went and tweaked a new flavor of your rom for everybody to use. Why there's this whole desire for credit is beyond me. Seems kinda conceited. "How dare you steal my charitable donations!" What have you got to lose?
Like I said, I really dont want to see just one rom developer out there. If santod is the only one left with the skill to properly port these things, then he should be supportive of others customizing his work. It does do him or the community any good to horde all his development unless there's some sort of financial incentive in it for him and he needs revenue from this somehow. And if he gets bored or offended and quits then the TB community just dies forever? That sucks. If the only people left willing to contribute are kanger's, then let them! We cant have our entire community rest in the hands of one developer.
I support and help anybody and everybody that treats me with an ounce of respect.
IT IS NOT ABOUT CREDIT!!!!
I could give a **** about credits or your complaints about my theming.
Maybe the theming is my way of saying it's mine.
The original UnSense was about as Vanilla as it gets really.
If you don't like what I have to offer up, then don't use it, it's simple.
If the fact that someone else left their rom half sense and half aosp makes it more vanilla for you, then fine.
Use his pieced together rom, I don't care.
What do you guys want from me?
Sure, treat me like an asshole, but feel free to help yourself to my stuff....
Anyone whining about this still, needs to get a life.
Any real developer wouldn't have batted an eye, made their own base and rolled along.
If what I contributed was "nothing" and easy to do, why all the fuss?
By the way, everyone else loves the theme, you happen to be the first to complain about how it looks.
There is this thing called UOT and another called apktool, maybe you should find those and learn to use them, before you go criticizing anymore work of others.
You may find yourself with ZERO rom options!
Any useful thread on the matter that is not just santod vs the world or people complaining about locked threads will not be closed.
This is not such a thread.
They serve no useful purpose for the community.
If you have issue with this PM me, I am not looking to "play God" or any some such activity, but the denizens of this community must be spared such drama as found in this thread.
Let's all work together to create a better development community.