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Hi to everyone,
finally we got it! As you know Sony equipped our Ultra with a great-looking as well as innovative 6.44” HD TRILUMINOS Display with X-Reality but... how it shows?
TRILUMINOS is Sony's exclusive new technology that allows for far greater color tones and textures to be displayed on the screen. In simple terms you could think of TRILUMINOS as simply a bigger box of color pencils to draw an image on the screen. A conventional display only has a limited box of color pencils to draw an image, whereas a TRILUMINOS display has a bigger box of color pencils with more shades of Blue, Red and Green color pencils.
As a result a TRILUMINOS display can reproduce more natural colors thanks to the expanded color gamut and display various shades of colors closer to reality than a conventional display. A TRILUMINOS display can output true, natural shades of colours – like hard-to-reproduce reds, greens and blues. Faces look better, too, with rich, lifelike skin tones
How does it work?
TRILUMINOS is basically a filter that is placed between the White LED backlighting and the display panel. This means that the White LED backlight is now turned into RGB backlight which is what allows Sony TRILUMINOS displays to show a wider range of colors. Traditionally RGB LED backlighting is much more expensive to implement whereas TRILUMINOS filter is cheaper to implement and provides the same benefits.
Along with a boost in color gamut, TRILUMINOS filter also boosts the contrast and viewing angles.
(topic under construction...)
Let's start!
Here's my first comparison: Ultra Z vs Samsung S4. Images and videos from my BlackBerry Z10, leaked firmware 10.2.0.1047.
Sony xPeria Ultra Z vs Samsung S4 (Setup: Display MAX, Closed rood, Night)
Seems a little hard to distinguish in some of the shots but the amoled is really nice overall
On very high pixel per inch screen, ~440 on S4(and another full-HD 5" phones), in term of sharpness LCD is superior to Samsung AMOLED as I still can distinguish some pixel color abnormally on AMOLED but not on LCD.
In term of color AMOLED is still the best.
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On very high pixel per inch screen, ~440 on S4(and another full-HD 5" phones), in term of sharpness LCD is superior to Samsung AMOLED as I still can distinguish some pixel color abnormally on AMOLED but not on LCD.
In term of color AMOLED is still the best.
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Yes, I do agree, Sony did a great job but the black (S4) is really like the old-school Pioneer Kuro.
Here are a couple of my pics about the display
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Yes, I do agree, Sony did a great job but the black (S4) is really like the old-school Pioneer Kuro.
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I have my Z ultra next to the Z and the Galaxy S4 Active.
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I have my Z ultra next to the Z and the Galaxy S4 Active.
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Thanks Hardcore, what's your opinion?
How about a white level comparison? The main reason I pick LCD over AMOLED is its superior white level. Would you be able to show us a comparison?
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How about a white level comparison? The main reason I pick LCD over AMOLED is its superior white level. Would you be able to show us a comparison?
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Hi,
I will make some snaps today.
Cheers
And Sony hasn't even yet released the xreality engine which will enable the full use of the triluminos!
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Here's a side-by-side of two ATT GS2s on auto brightness showing the same application. The one on the left has a bluish/greenish tinge to the display, while the one on the right looks...I dunno...pinkish? Almost dirty by comparison, at least to my eyes, as it's much harder to read in low light settings. I thought at first it was the Helvetica vs stock font, but it's clearly the panel's lighting characteristics.
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Here are the same phones again running the 'dead pixel test' from the Market, set to max brightness on the white screen color test.
The one on the right doesn't seem to be able to produce a true white.
Now, I get that there are different screen suppliers, and manufacturing variances among panel batches, but this whole thing has me a little disappointed at Samsung's QC. I would love to know what qualifies as a successful screen test, because the one on the right is a huge disappointment to my eyes. Just for the hell of it I compared both screens to my old Captivate, and to my surprise that had the most accurate color reproduction of the three.
How bout you guys - true whites on your screen? (try the gmail app, for example) Maybe I just got a bad batch?
The screen on my SGS2 has no colot tinge whatsoever. It's white and bright. I did however notice a bluish tint on my Infuse; which drove me crazy. I actually exchanged 3 Infuses because of a flaw in market where I got the "unable to download, insufficient memory on device". Each Infuse had a different tint, or brightness to the display. I switched to thw SGS2 and haven't looked back since.
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Wow... big difference.... what the hell...
I thought this too about my SGSII when comparing it side-by-side with store units... Turned out for me the brightness was the same but another setting (adjust screen to save battery or something like that) was checked on my phone, making the screen look like crap on some colors, including making white look gray and yellow look bluish. Once I uchecked that box the display looked fine.
yeah I am anal about colors too. Being a photographer.
So I was looking for ways to improve the displays on my SGS2(now returned).
I have a Gretag i1-Pro spectrophotometer that I use for calibration and also matching color swatches. So I 'calibrated' my screen to the best of the available software. There is a program call 'Screen Adjuster' you guys can use to alter the RGB values. However gama will be off, and you can only calibrate EITHER high bias RGB or low bias RGB. There is no way to calibrate both.
Have you tried Supercurio screen tune? He just started making it but can probably help you out with colors and such.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1313652
QC and screen temperature were both big issues with the ISGS2 when it launched. There's a 100 page thread that's been talking about it since May. Five ISGS2's side-by-side all had from slight to wild differences in color temperature. Some of the ROMs also alter color temperature which makes it even more confusing. Cool/blue is what's intended to be normal and warm/yellow is the exception. The phone on the right in the pic looks like it has a warmer screen. I'd guess they changed either the screen or manufacturing process for the ASGS2 or you guys would have been freaking out by now.
P.S. - Samsung manufactures all their own displays and they all come from the same factories. So if there are differences it's QC or allowable deviation.
Okay, so The SuperAMOLED screen has some of the best black levels out of any display Iv'e ever seen. as nice as it would be to have PLUS, for the IPS subpixel layout, I still love this screen's display. The Note 2 will probably have this, and even better options..
But. I would love if some of you can post home screens and wallpaper images at full resolution that went with it, to show off how nice they look on the screen. Iv'e always had trouble finding amazing wallpapers :3
But yeah, I have an S-IPS $700 monitor as my main monitor at home, and even though the colors are off on the Note's screen, the black levels pretty much make up for it. This 5.3 inch screen has better detail and picture quality than my 55" Big screen TV does! :O (not better color accuracy though) Only because it's a triple LCD rear projection TV, which has WAY better colors than pretty much ANY "LED TV"
Until SuperAMOLED Plus comes out in TV's, No "LED TV" will EVER have color accuracy that Rivals my monitor, so Don't flame on that. LED TV's are a complete lie and a scam because they are garbage Twisted nematic LCD panels that are just LED backlit, when cathodes can actually be brighter ironically.
Unless they start using high intensity LED's with pure white light, I don't see LED bqaclighting being better, but yeah, post some wallpapers?
I have 900 wallpapers. Will add once in whlie.
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That wallpaper looks awesome! If I didn't have ICS Tablet mode I'd use it. Just looks odd with all the blue menusand text :3 but if I had touchwiz, I'd use it
Greens are particularly vibrant on our screen because the subpixel arrangements is red, green, blue, green instead of red, green, blue, albiet the sub pixel size of green is half that of the others.
Feel free to upload those wallpapers any time
I use this one:
http://www.ipad-wallpapers.us/bgs/cartoon-addicts-ipad-background.jpg
I like planet pics.
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I like planet pics.
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Thats a nice one
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Okay, so The SuperAMOLED screen has some of the best black levels out of any display Iv'e ever seen. as nice as it would be to have PLUS, for the IPS subpixel layout, I still love this screen's display. The Note 2 will probably have this, and even better options..
But. I would love if some of you can post home screens and wallpaper images at full resolution that went with it, to show off how nice they look on the screen.
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Not to be a downer but we have a post your homescreens and a few wallpaper threads already with tons of both.
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XP owners have the brightest screen on the market (867 cd/m²).
Other phones are nowhere near this (Iphone4s 485, onex 450, sii 256, gnex 135) and all this is, thanks to the MagicWhite technology. But XP is criticized for it's poor blacks.
I don't have detailed knowledge about what i'm going to yammer about. But stick with me, it might become interesting.
With LED backlit screens, it is theoretically possible to have very high contrast ratios. Cause unlike CCFL screens you have a white LED behind each pixel and if the hardware design allows you to get a reference to each backlight LED, you should be able to control the backlight for each pixel and have them turned off behind black pixels and maximize their brightness behind the white ones. something like what you get with SuperAMOLED screens.
Pros probably answer that we don't have access to each subpixel on the backlight panel. But with WhiteMagic it has to be different. cause it's not just a panel of LEDs all of which have to have the same amount of brightness. It's a fourth subpixel in the main panel if i'm not misunderstood by Sony saying "WhiteMagic adds a 4th white sub-pixel – traditional LCD screens have three; red, green and blue – to the Reality Display."
So?
So we must be able to have great blacks. It seems to me when i maximize my brightness, that blacks also get a lot brighter. When the fourth white subpixel must be used only for making pixels brighter considering the amount of brightness they already have.
This is probably a modification in the kernel layer.
Pictures might make it more interesting for noobs like me:
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You can see that backlight layer here doesn't have a static brightness per pixel. There are four masks being presented to the screen here: Red layer, green layer, blue layer and last but not least the white layer. Although this just demonstrates what i said about any LED backlit display. There's a lot more than this to our MagicWhite display.
p.s sorry if my english doesn't feel english.
Poor blacks on any LCD is the result of light passing trough crystals. In addition to that Sony opened another hole for light to pass, so maybe that is a reason why you have poor blacks.
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Poor blacks on any LCD is the result of light passing trough crystals. In addition to that Sony opened another hole for light to pass, so maybe that is a reason why you have poor blacks.
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partialy true. there are multiple reasons we're not getting a black black.
there is this gap between the glass and the lcd panel that causes reflection. this is solved in xperia z.
there could be other polarizing layers to reduce reflection. like what we have in Nokia's Clear Black LCD Displays. they offer blacks like sAMOLED blacks.
but that is all hardware stuff and there's nothing we can do about it.
i'm talking about what could probably be done with the hardware that is already in our hands.
Correction !!!
There wont be each white LED behind each pixel in LED backlit LCD's , for whole LCD there will be 8 ,9 .... White LED's.
to understand clearly look at this edge LED's in LCD
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...cklight.JPG/800px-IPod_Touch_2G_Backlight.JPG
but in Xperia p LCD WhiteMagic there is a fourth subpixel in the main panel . because of this the white dominates the whole and decreases the contrast whereas in ordinary Backlit LED LCD the white LED's is behind LCD panel , i think
for more info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED-backlit_LCD_display
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Correction !!!
There wont be each white LED behind each pixel in LED backlit LCD's , for whole LCD there will be 8 ,9 .... White LED's.
to understand clearly look at this edge LED's in LCD
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...cklight.JPG/800px-IPod_Touch_2G_Backlight.JPG
but in Xperia p LCD WhiteMagic there is a fourth subpixel in the main panel . because of this the white dominates the whole and decreases the contrast whereas in ordinary Backlit LED LCD the white LED's is behind LCD panel , i think
for more info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED-backlit_LCD_display
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Objection !!!
Wikipedia said:
Three types of LED may be used:
- White-edge LEDs around the rim of the screen, using a special diffusion panel to spread the light evenly behind the screen (the most common use)
- LED array behind the screen, whose brightness is not controlled individually
- Dynamic “local dimming” array of LEDs, controlled individually (or in clusters) to achieve a modulated backlight pattern
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and you are talking only about the first type.
And none of them have LED for each pixel.
http://developer.sonymobile.com/2012/02/27/introducing-whitemagic-the-technology-in-xperia-p/
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Objection !!!
and you are talking only about the first type.
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Talking about all 3
ok it's not an led per pixel but it's not 8 or 9 leds in all three types.
anyway, f*&$ backlit led screens! i didn't say LED Backlit's LED potential, i said MagicWhite technology's magic potential, and i guess we all agree that there's a white subpixel per pixel in this type of display.
so let's not be off topic. i just think the blacks shouldn't be this bright with the brightness maximized if it's a result of that fourth subpixel.
If you're colorblind, please disregard this thread. Rate this thread to express how you deem the color saturation and accuracy of the Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge's display. A higher rating indicates that you think that color accuracy is very high and saturation is excellent.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Screen and color's are great! Only whites aren't really white, they are yellowish.
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Screen and color's are great! Only whites aren't really white, they are yellowish.
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My G935F too. It has a little bit yellowish display. I hope Samsung to fix this issue soon
It's an amoled screen, don't think there's much they can do. There's pros and cons to amoled screens just like there's to LCD screens
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Whites are a bit yellowish. Looks weird and terrible compared to the screen on my One Plus One which shows true whites and highly accurate colors. Guess will have to live with it since this isn't device specific at my location.
very nice screen and color. white is great color.
On adaptive mode the whites are pretty white (maybe on the bluish side) but the colors are too vibrant. I'm on photo mode and the whites are very warm. Im seeing a brownish orange tint to the whites.
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On adaptive mode the whites are pretty white (maybe on the bluish side) but the colors are too vibrant. I'm on photo mode and the whites are very warm. Im seeing a brownish orange tint to the whites.
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Exactly and I don't mind my whites being a bit bluish, like my laundry.
On a Basic mode, the white are warmer (I dont really mind that since it soft on the eyes) than the other modes but the color accuracy are so accurate!
With screen mode set to Amoled Photo it's very accurate.
(I'm a professional photographer so am comparing the colour and white balance representation to my calibrated monitor).
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With screen mode set to Amoled Photo it's very accurate.
(I'm a professional photographer so am comparing the colour and white balance representation to my calibrated monitor).
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I think 'photo mode' complies with the sRGB spectrum which still oversaturates colours compared to RGB. - If you do photo work and need pin point accuracy with this mode it is about as good as it gets.
For normal use however the 'Basic' mode has been tuned to almost 100% accuracy.
I agree that whites, especially at lower brightness levels, have a yellowish tint to them.
Unfortunately Samsung, in their pursuit for 'technical perfection' (total colour accuracy ... which this model comes closer to than any other phone screen on the market at present) have not included any other white balance adjustment, just the four presets. Not good.
Even my Elephone P9000, a superb phone for the money, has much more elaborate controls in form of Mira Vision/Mediatek which lets me adjust many parameters, including white balance, which are unaccessible in my S7E.
I have read that in the current beta version of Android N there is indeed built-in white balance adjustments which would go a long way to eleviate this issue. Whether this will make it to Android N final version is an altogether different question.
Furthermore, even if it does, Samsung are not exactly the quickest adopters of Android upgrades so it could be some time until we see this on an S7/Edge.
Rooting seems to be the only option to get white balance adjustment.
Samsung, if you read this, please include colour sliders/white balance adjustment with your next upgrade. - Many, many thanks.
In most other aspects, this phone is superb.
I understand why some people may want white balance adjustment, but understand that the white point in basic mode is what true white is supposed to be. Bluish whites that many people prefer are color inaccurate. Giving a way to adjust white balance within the modes makes sense, but I certainly wouldn't want the bluish whites that are found within Adaptive Display and AMOLED Cinema to make their way over to AMOLED Photo and Basic modes, because then the insane possible color accuracy of these screens is out the window.
Cinema and Adaptive are bluish colors, which is better for me since i don't like the yellowish colors of Photo and Basic.
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How uniform are whites?
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How uniform are whites?
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I can only speak for my phone but screen uniformity is perfect.
Use LightManager from the app store if whites are to warm.
drummerman said:
I can only speak for my phone but screen uniformity is perfect.
Use LightManager from the app store if whites are to warm.
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Thank! Which color did you buy?
samven582 said:
Thank! Which color did you buy?
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Platinum Gold
Luvely ...
Do you guys put much faith in Display Mate's website?
For what it's worth, I prefer AMOLED Photo mode because Basic just felt a little too drab when I tried it for a few days, and Adaptive is obviously way too saturated.
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i have never understood the gigantic deal some make about color accuracy. it's not like most people can even tell when the colors are slightly off. it's just something that grossly extremist of color can snarl and blow steam about. i have always preferred the punchy colors of the samsung displays, and although most of the time the colors are not 100% accurate, they are so close as to not make any difference to the 99.9% of the rest of us.
Hello,
I've tested the screen with the Display Tester app and it comes with the result that the S9+ screen does not support wide colour gamut.
On Display Mate screen review, they specifically said it does. And I would expect that from a 2018 flagship which is supposed to have the best smartphone display...
Anyone else getting this result from Display Tester? Is this a classic Samsung screw up with firmware or an actual hardware defect?
th.android said:
Hello,
I've tested the screen with the Display Tester app and it comes with the result that the S9+ screen does not support wide colour gamut.
On Display Mate screen review, they specifically said it does. And I would expect that from a 2018 flagship which is supposed to have the best smartphone display...
Anyone else getting this result from Display Tester? Is this a classic Samsung screw up with firmware or an actual hardware defect?
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I noticed some odd behavior as well. Various P3 color gamut test images fail when viewed inside Chrome and the Samsung Internet browsers. BUT, if you actually download the image and then view it in Gallery or something, the image is displayed correctly. So the screen seems to be P3 but the software is not written correctly to display the full gamut in most apps. Hopefully somebody else has a better idea what the deal is and posts back here.
On a side-note, I find the colors on the S9 to be dull and muted. I much prefer the vibrancy of the S8 even if they are less accurate. Played with the display settings but there seems to be no way to activate the full color vibrancy the S8 had on the S9. Oh well.
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Another thing I noticed which is much more serious is video playback.
Dark scenes have black crush and loose a lot of detail.
For example, trailers on YouTube like Black Panther are practically unwatchable. Especially if you're in a dim lit room.
I've mentioned this in another thread...
I'll try to upload later a side by side comparison with my Galaxy S8 for reference.
I pray it's an actual defect with my display because I heard some rumours that it's an Oreo problem. And if that's the case we might wait forever for an update.
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I think those pictures show the problem.
Top photo is GS9+, bottom GS8.
The colours on S9+ are muted but on top of this the loss of detail in the dark areas of the scene is very apparent.
The photos have been taken in my living room which has dimmed lighting.
If I watch the video on bright light the problem is less pronounced but it's still there.
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I think those pictures show the problem.
Top photo is GS9+, bottom GS8.
The colours on S9+ are muted but on top of this the loss of detail in the dark areas of the scene is very apparent.
The photos have been taken in my living room which has dimmed lighting.
If I watch the video on bright light the problem is less pronounced but it's still there.
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Exact same issue here. Pretty sure it won't be fixed anytime soon. If you want more vibrant colours you could just enable video enhancer.
th.android said:
Another thing I noticed which is much more serious is video playback.
Dark scenes have black crush and loose a lot of detail.
For example, trailers on YouTube like Black Panther are practically unwatchable. Especially if you're in a dim lit room.
I've mentioned this in another thread...
I'll try to upload later a side by side comparison with my Galaxy S8 for reference.
I pray it's an actual defect with my display because I heard some rumours that it's an Oreo problem. And if that's the case we might wait forever for an update.
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The YouTube has a communication problem with the S9. Expect an update.