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Hi,
I've had android devices for years and always kept them locked and stocked.
I've not got an Nexus 10 and was wondering is it actually worth rooting the thing and loading a custom rom?
Will I actually gain anything except be able to change where the home button is?
All thoughts welcome!
THanks in Advance.
If nothing else I would root it. That gives you the option of using programs like Titanium Backup to backup apps and install a custom recovery and have the ability to back up your whole device.
As far as custom ROMS go that's a personal choice. Right now there are not allot out due to the newness of the device, but I'm sure that will change very quickly as Devs stat getting it.
I would root to gain access to titanium back up and ad blockers but beside that there aren't that many great custom roms out there. Stock doesn't have bloatware or any common pitfalls of stock.
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If you are tech savvy, I would highly suggest all 3. You can improve things like battery life by undervolting the CPU and GPU, changing to more conservative governors, and having applications automatically shut off your wifi when your tablet turns off (can't remember if you can do that one without root).
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Yeah, i agree with above opinion. You need to learn things before rooting your tablet. You can check out many rooting videos on YouTube channel to learn about that more easily. Besides, many Google Play apps are free to play.
Check out qbking77 videos on youtube and you will get a how to on the rooting process
Ad blocking is one of the top ten reasons to own any Android device. Root is a vital part of the XDA experience.
It is seriously addictive playing around with different kernels and roms and root apps after you make that first plunge and learn how to do it just be prepared for a little frustration at first. Its very hard to find guides that don't assume you already know the terminology and general techniques! But after that first time, its easy
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KestrelX said:
It is seriously addictive playing around with different kernels and roms and root apps after you make that first plunge and learn how to do it just be prepared for a little frustration at first. Its very hard to find guides that don't assume you already know the terminology and general techniques! But after that first time, its easy
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So true, its fun and very addictive flashing different stuff on your device. You can also apply themes after rooting
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I was on the fence until i realized the advantages in battery life. I went ahead and did it and havent looked back yet. :good:
You get usb otg support with a rooted device which is crucial for the 16 gb version.
At the same time you dont lose anything when rooting. Especially the nexus 10 is intended to be rooted painlessly and you can revert the whole process too if need be
schnip said:
You get usb otg support with a rooted device which is crucial for the 16 gb version.
At the same time you dont lose anything when rooting. Especially the nexus 10 is intended to be rooted painlessly and you can revert the whole process too if need be
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There is an app so you can use OTG without having root, called nexus media importer. Though you have to buy it.
Yes it is, ParanoidAndroid is well worth it. Plus titanium backup and all that good stuff.
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Yes it is, ParanoidAndroid is well worth it. Plus titanium backup and all that good stuff.
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How so exactly? I'm probably wrong, but I only figured PA to only really be useful either if you want to switch between tablet or phone UI on certain apps, and Tablet UI.
Hmm....
Interesting, thanks for the info.
I've got Nexus Media Importer and that's a godsend as I've got the 16gb.
The problem I have now is that I've been using my N10 since November and have just got it the way I like it.
Is there a way to back it up before it gets wiped when I unlock the bootloader?
Also, If I root will I be able to get OTA updates; I want to stick with stock for now.
Thanks in advance
I rooted mine to isse adblock and titanim backup, I will not be flashing another ROM in a good while, I want OTA and the tablet runs really well on stock
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Pharmbob said:
Hmm....
Interesting, thanks for the info.
I've got Nexus Media Importer and that's a godsend as I've got the 16gb.
The problem I have now is that I've been using my N10 since November and have just got it the way I like it.
Is there a way to back it up before it gets wiped when I unlock the bootloader?
Also, If I root will I be able to get OTA updates; I want to stick with stock for now.
Thanks in advance
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There is a way to backup most of the stuff you have on your tablet. It won't be a 1:1 copy tho. You will not get OTA updates but you can alwyas easily flash to stock and get them. In your case i wouldnt recommend rooting the tablet. If you are curious though about the possibilities you might unlock you should at least try it
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There is a way to backup most of the stuff you have on your tablet. It won't be a 1:1 copy tho. You will not get OTA updates but you can alwyas easily flash to stock and get them. In your case i wouldnt recommend rooting the tablet. If you are curious though about the possibilities you might unlock you should at least try it
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Well, that's me rooted! I used the Qbking77 method and it was painless.
Now, what is the first thing (after back up) should I do?
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How so exactly? I'm probably wrong, but I only figured PA to only really be useful either if you want to switch between tablet or phone UI on certain apps, and Tablet UI.
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Not the only thing you could do with PA - I have this flashed and LOVE it! this might be more of a personal thing but the ability to change your navbar color (battery, time, soft keys) per app is amazing! Again to each their own but I like this ROM on this tablet - I use the CM10 Nightlies on my phone as it suits it better.
To answer the OP - read as much as you can before you decide to Root and Flash - I believe all three is a must but I like to customize things.
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Well, that's me rooted! I used the Qbking77 method and it was painless.
Now, what is the first thing (after back up) should I do?
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Well now that you have root and a custom recovery you should try all the candy in this forum
Go to the nexus 10 rom section and try some roms. There are roms that change a whole lot like ParanoidAndroid and there are roms with more subtle changes (like mine).
Keep in mind that flashing a new rom will wipe anything on your tablet but its ok because you can make nandroid (complete) backups of your present state using the recovery.
Also i recommend you to try apps like GMD gesture control. It enables you to define custom gestures for nearly everything. (Comparable tp those on the ipad but more customizable)
So after a lot of convincing from some friends who said that Android was so good and so much more customizable than my iPhone 5, I jumped ship and got a Samsung Galaxy S4 (Aus) edition. After being very frustrated at how locked down the Aus Telstra version was, I eventually decided to go down the path of rooting. I settled on PA 3.99 RC2 and it worked fine for a while. After deciding to upgrade to Kit Kat, I tried a few different versions - firstly the PA 4.0 beta and then went on to others after running into problem after problem. Some of the issues included not being able to find my mobile provider - pretty important if you want to use the phone as a phone. Other issues have included things like not being able to access the ext SD card, not being able to access Google Play, and now after updating to a new ROM [ROM][KOT49H]AOSP 4.4.2 from source (Release Candidate 2), there is no auto restore of Google apps anymore. Now I'm faced with having to manually install 150 odd apps. There's also silly things that pis me off like no reboot button option and no battery percentage?! Since moving over to Android, all I've had is issue after issue and I'm ready to go back to IOS, where yes it's locked down but things like restoring to a good working backup were never an issue. Any help would be appreciated
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So after a lot of convincing from some friends who said that Android was so good and so much more customizable than my iPhone 5, I jumped ship and got a Samsung Galaxy S4 (Aus) edition. After being very frustrated at how locked down the Aus Telstra version was, I eventually decided to go down the path of rooting. I settled on PA 3.99 RC2 and it worked fine for a while. After deciding to upgrade to Kit Kat, I tried a few different versions - firstly the PA 4.0 beta and then went on to others after running into problem after problem. Some of the issues included not being able to find my mobile provider - pretty important if you want to use the phone as a phone. Other issues have included things like not being able to access the ext SD card, not being able to access Google Play, and now after updating to a new ROM [ROM][KOT49H]AOSP 4.4.2 from source (Release Candidate 2), there is no auto restore of Google apps anymore. Now I'm faced with having to manually install 150 odd apps. There's also silly things that pis me off like no reboot button option and no battery percentage?! Since moving over to Android, all I've had is issue after issue and I'm ready to go back to IOS, where yes it's locked down but things like restoring to a good working backup were never an issue. Any help would be appreciated
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Lesson 1) don't buy phones from carriers. They're bound to lock u down. (Singapore doesn't. )
Lesson 2) make a nandroid backup. (U didn't make a nandroid backup, and now you're whining about loads of problems.)
Lesson 3) use stable releases. Some releases may be nightly release and are not stable. Find a stable release and flash it.
Lesson 4) can't access play store? Flash GApps. Flash GApps before whining about not being able to go to play store.
Lesson 5) no reboot option? No battery percentage?! Damn, reflash or flash another rom. Did u read the Original Post for known bugs before flashing?
gotta go. No batt. (Illusion bug sucks.)
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Always make a nandroid backup before trying anything risky
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Irwenzhao said:
Lesson 1) don't buy phones from carriers. They're bound to lock u down. (Singapore doesn't. )
Lesson 2) make a nandroid backup. (U didn't make a nandroid backup, and now you're whining about loads of problems.)
Lesson 3) use stable releases. Some releases may be nightly release and are not stable. Find a stable release and flash it.
Lesson 4) can't access play store? Flash GApps. Flash GApps before whining about not being able to go to play store.
Lesson 5) no reboot option? No battery percentage?! Damn, reflash or flash another rom. Did u read the Original Post for known bugs before flashing?
gotta go. No batt. (Illusion bug sucks.)
Smack that thanks button If I helped!
Always make a nandroid backup before trying anything risky
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Well thanks (sort of) for the reply, but I've done a few of those things and still running into dramas. I made a Nandroid back up before upgrading to Kit Kat, but I didn't think it would help me when upgrading to a new ROM / OS.
I had to go on a plan so I had to buy the phone from a carrier.
The release I'm running is supposed to be stable - it's RC2. I read up on it, but not having a reboot option as part of the software isn't what I'd call a bug - it's just retarded leaving it out. Same goes with battery percentage.
It's not as easy as simply flashing another ROM - as I said, every ROM I've tried (other than Paranoid Android running Jelly Bean) has had major problems, such as not being able to read my external SD card.
And now - after reading until my eyes are sore, I can't seem to find any option to auto restore all of my Google Store Apps (not Gapps) without manually doing each one. For all of this supposed customization, there are so many limitations to this OS..
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Well thanks (sort of) for the reply, but I've done a few of those things and still running into dramas. I made a Nandroid back up before upgrading to Kit Kat, but I didn't think it would help me when upgrading to a new ROM / OS.
I had to go on a plan so I had to buy the phone from a carrier.
The release I'm running is supposed to be stable - it's RC2. I read up on it, but not having a reboot option as part of the software isn't what I'd call a bug - it's just retarded leaving it out. Same goes with battery percentage.
It's not as easy as simply flashing another ROM - as I said, every ROM I've tried (other than Paranoid Android running Jelly Bean) has had major problems, such as not being able to read my external SD card.
And now - after reading until my eyes are sore, I can't seem to find any option to auto restore all of my Google Store Apps (not Gapps) without manually doing each one. For all of this supposed customization, there are so many limitations to this OS..
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If u don't like kitkat (bugs, etc.) Use nandroid backup to restore to original version. (Easy as ABC, my friend.) I'm on a plan, and I didn't buy it from my carrier. (Too much bloatware, worth it though) Release Candidate isn't stable. Download stable version and flash. (Who would leave reboot option out? Should be a bug or ur settings got messed up.) Check settings for battery percentage. I have no problems with sd-card... (BTW, I don't recommended kitkat roms now. Use jellybean or below.) IOS has more limitations. Limitations that largely differentiate Android from IOS.(I could make a list...)
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Hmm. Not sure that the limitations are as big as you might think..
If RC2 isn't stable, how else can I run Kit Kat? I've had this phone for 6 months and Samsung never released a single update which is the whole reason I rooted my phone. Everyone's answer seems to be that I'd the features aren't there, it's either put up with it or go back to an old OS. Where's the freedom and customisation in that?
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Hmm. Not sure that the limitations are as big as you might think..
If RC2 isn't stable, how else can I run Kit Kat? I've had this phone for 6 months and Samsung never released a single update which is the whole reason I rooted my phone. Everyone's answer seems to be that I'd the features aren't there, it's either put up with it or go back to an old OS. Where's the freedom and customisation in that?
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Try coding a ROM. it's harder than IOS in many ways. It has boatload of features that it has to optimize. It has widgets that developers have to make sure that they work properly. IOS is just something with tons of icons, and apps are easy to develop, mainly because most (if not all) iPhones are running on the same os (IOS 7) and it has only 1 physical button, the home button. Different Android versions run on different devices, and developers have to optimize one version for multiple devices. I'm amazed 4.4 kitkat roms are out for multiple devices so quickly. Devs here are working their heads out to develop a stable ROM, and here u are, whining about bugs. Time, my friend. Time is what our dear developers need.
P.S. if u compare Android 2 with IOS 7, Android 2 already wins in terms of customization. There are the widgets, launchers, root and stuff.
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Hmm. Not sure that the limitations are as big as you might think..
If RC2 isn't stable, how else can I run Kit Kat? I've had this phone for 6 months and Samsung never released a single update which is the whole reason I rooted my phone. Everyone's answer seems to be that I'd the features aren't there, it's either put up with it or go back to an old OS. Where's the freedom and customisation in that?
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IOS vs Android
When u need to check the weather:
IOS: unlock phone, pull notification bar.
Android: unlock phone, look at home screen.
When u need extra space in your phone:
IOS: doesn't even have a sd-card slot.
Android: (at least most has sd-card slot.)
zero battery, powerbank out of power.
IOS: disassemble phone, replace battery, assemble phone.
Android: remove back cover, replace phone battery.
Support:
IOS: I'm so locked down I don't need support.
Android: XDA.
Sharing of content:
IOS: cloud, email.
Android: cloud, email, nfc (some phones), sd-card. (Damn, Samsung gave me extra 40+gb for dropbox.)
Size:
IOS: too long, my thumb is way too short.
Android: sizes are everywhere.
I could go on forever, but I'm too lazy
Smack that thanks button If I helped!
Always make a nandroid backup before trying anything risky.
I do respond to questions (most) via PM.
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Also titanium backup is great for restoring apps.
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Irwenzhao said:
Try coding a ROM. it's harder than IOS in many ways. It has boatload of features that it has to optimize. It has widgets that developers have to make sure that they work properly. IOS is just something with tons of icons, and apps are easy to develop, mainly because most (if not all) iPhones are running on the same os (IOS 7) and it has only 1 physical button, the home button. Different Android versions run on different devices, and developers have to optimize one version for multiple devices. I'm amazed 4.4 kitkat roms are out for multiple devices so quickly. Devs here are working their heads out to develop a stable ROM, and here u are, whining about bugs. Time, my friend. Time is what our dear developers need.
P.S. if u compare Android 2 with IOS 7, Android 2 already wins in terms of customization. There are the widgets, launchers, root and stuff.
Smack that thanks button If I helped!
Always make a nandroid backup before trying anything risky.
I do respond to questions (most) via PM.
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IOS vs Android
When u need to check the weather:
IOS: unlock phone, pull notification bar.
Android: unlock phone, look at home screen.
When u need extra space in your phone:
IOS: doesn't even have a sd-card slot.
Android: (at least most has sd-card slot.)
zero battery, powerbank out of power.
IOS: disassemble phone, replace battery, assemble phone.
Android: remove back cover, replace phone battery.
Support:
IOS: I'm so locked down I don't need support.
Android: XDA.
Sharing of content:
IOS: cloud, email.
Android: cloud, email, nfc (some phones), sd-card. (Damn, Samsung gave me extra 40+gb for dropbox.)
Size:
IOS: too long, my thumb is way too short.
Android: sizes are everywhere.
I could go on forever, but I'm too lazy
Smack that thanks button If I helped!
Always make a nandroid backup before trying anything risky.
I do respond to questions (most) via PM.
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Yeah of course there is a lot of differences between Android and IOS, and yes IOS is locked down. But, the fundamental difference is that IOS just works - period. I switched over to Android cos I was led to believe that there was freedom to do anything and everything, but it's just not the case. I thought I could just install a plain Google version of the OS onto my phone, no bull**** bloatware or stupid useless battery draining features, but you can't just do that. I want to run the latest OS on my phone that has new X,Y and Z features but I can't. I can only run "X version" of Kit Kat or Jelly Bean, and for some reason they are never stable and there's always things that don't work on each version, like the ability to read the SD card, or use the camera or wifi etc. Google's OS is open source so why is it so hard to get the latest version on your phone without all the crap? I'll tell you why - because Android phones have hundreds (if not thousands) of different hardware configurations, and even more stupidly, companies like Samsung, run multiple different hardware configurations (even for the same model of phone ie; SG4) worldwide for different markets. When you try and port Kit Kat for an SG4, there are so many different variables to consider to make it work across the board on the same platform, it becomes very difficult to make a stable release that works with all SG4's. With Apple, the hardware configurations are exactly the same, so it just works. I jailbroke my old iPhone and then when I didn't want to run it, I restored it and ALL of my apps and contacts just restore with no fuss or stress.
What I keep getting told is that basically, the only stable release custom ROM I should be running is an old OS (which I was running in the first place with Smasungs TW) or put up with bugs and random reboots etc. Not so cutting edge anymore I'm finding out..
mrtockley said:
Yeah of course there is a lot of differences between Android and IOS, and yes IOS is locked down. But, the fundamental difference is that IOS just works - period. I switched over to Android cos I was led to believe that there was freedom to do anything and everything, but it's just not the case. I thought I could just install a plain Google version of the OS onto my phone, no bull**** bloatware or stupid useless battery draining features, but you can't just do that. I want to run the latest OS on my phone that has new X,Y and Z features but I can't. I can only run "X version" of Kit Kat or Jelly Bean, and for some reason they are never stable and there's always things that don't work on each version, like the ability to read the SD card, or use the camera or wifi etc. Google's OS is open source so why is it so hard to get the latest version on your phone without all the crap? I'll tell you why - because Android phones have hundreds (if not thousands) of different hardware configurations, and even more stupidly, companies like Samsung, run multiple different hardware configurations (even for the same model of phone ie; SG4) worldwide for different markets. When you try and port Kit Kat for an SG4, there are so many different variables to consider to make it work across the board on the same platform, it becomes very difficult to make a stable release that works with all SG4's. With Apple, the hardware configurations are exactly the same, so it just works. I jailbroke my old iPhone and then when I didn't want to run it, I restored it and ALL of my apps and contacts just restore with no fuss or stress.
What I keep getting told is that basically, the only stable release custom ROM I should be running is an old OS (which I was running in the first place with Smasungs TW) or put up with bugs and random reboots etc. Not so cutting edge anymore I'm finding out..
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As I said, there are loads of extra features that needs to be perfected, and that takes a long time. I can bet with u, if IOS ever becomes open-source, all custom ROMs will have bugs. Some features can't be run due to hardware and software limitations. For example, u can't use OIS on Note 2, which doesn't have that camera sensor. Same goes for IOS, u can't use touch ID on iPhone 4, can u? U mentioned sd-card, which IOS doesn't have. It also requires complicated code from OS and kernel. With apple, it have only one hardware configuration, which disables a slower/budget phones for people who wants a apple product but don't have the money for a iPhone 5s. Having different hardware configuration enables flexibility, cheaper phones and more customers. Jailbreaking isn't the same. In Android, u can access and EDIT system files. What can u do with jailbreaking? Almost nothing. If you're impatient, go IOS and stay simple, inflexible, and basically, a everyday phone user who's happy with not being able to customize your phone and is happy with the stock OS.
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As I said, there are loads of extra features that needs to be perfected, and that takes a long time. I can bet with u, if IOS ever becomes open-source, all custom ROMs will have bugs. Some features can't be run due to hardware and software limitations. For example, u can't use OIS on Note 2, which doesn't have that camera sensor. Same goes for IOS, u can't use touch ID on iPhone 4, can u? U mentioned sd-card, which IOS doesn't have. It also requires complicated code from OS and kernel. With apple, it have only one hardware configuration, which disables a slower/budget phones for people who wants a apple product but don't have the money for a iPhone 5s. Having different hardware configuration enables flexibility, cheaper phones and more customers. Jailbreaking isn't the same. In Android, u can access and EDIT system files. What can u do with jailbreaking? Almost nothing. If you're impatient, go IOS and stay simple, inflexible, and basically, a everyday phone user who's happy with not being able to customize your phone and is happy with the stock OS.
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I think we're getting a little off track, comparing old phone's limitations etc. Of course you can't run every OS on older phones due to hardware / sensor limitations etc. So can I run just a plain vanilla version, like the Google Play edition version of Kit Kat on my SG 4 ?
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I think we're getting a little off track, comparing old phone's limitations etc. Of course you can't run every OS on older phones due to hardware / sensor limitations etc. So can I run just a plain vanilla version, like the Google Play edition version of Kit Kat on my SG 4 ?
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Yep. (Bugs are a part of everyday life for custom ROM users, so if u can't live with it, go to IOS and enjoy perfection.)
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Yep. (Bugs are a part of everyday life for custom ROM users, so if u can't live with it, go to IOS and enjoy perfection.)
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So I can't run plain Kit Kat then?
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So I can't run plain Kit Kat then?
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Unless u have a Nexus 5 (or any device that Google released 4.4 to), no u can't have stock 4.4 (there's a video on Android Authority's YouTube channel explaining why Google updates take so long. Can't provide links cause I'm on data now )
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Unless u have a Nexus 5 (or any device that Google released 4.4 to), no u can't have stock 4.4 (there's a video on Android Authority's YouTube channel explaining why Google updates take so long. Can't provide links cause I'm on data now )
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Bugger. Oh well..
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OK, so I bought an Xperia Z Ultra a few days ago, and I ensured it was a unlockable device, after owning all my previous Xperia phones unlocked.
The main reason I was unlocking before on my previous Z, S and T was because battery savings, meaning custom kernel undervolting, and several battery friendly moded stock kernel options. And of course, some easy rooting, mainly for changing the ugly high dpi the Z has, and have some real screen state, not big clunky icons, fonts and stuff on a 5" display.
I never been attracted to CM and or PAC for that matter either, because they break too many things to even consider them my daily drivers IMHO, and with the arrival of the Snapdragon 800 chipsets speed is never an issue, unlike before on weak handsets like S and X10 on which a custom rom did wonders for the performance.
On the Z Ultra, on the other hand, battery life is proving itself to be outstanding, way more than I expected it to be, as I was afraid the 3000mah battery wasn't gonna cut it due to screen to battery size ratio. Standard dpi is also excellent, alongside kit kat performace. Also, having a quick look on the development section, there isn't too much going on, unlike the Z, I can't seem to find a completely stock kernel that has just undervolting and some recovery options, heck, I don't recall there being a stock based kernel at all.
So, what's your main reason for unlocking this precise device?
Also, how the battery life on stock rom compares to Google Play edition?
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OK, so I bought an Xperia Z Ultra a few days ago, and I ensured it was a unlockable device, after owning all my previous Xperia phones unlocked.
The main reason I was unlocking before on my previous Z, S and T was because battery savings, meaning custom kernel undervolting, and several battery friendly moded stock kernel options. And of course, some easy rooting, mainly for changing the ugly high dpi the Z has, and have some real screen state, not big clunky icons, fonts and stuff on a 5" display.
I never been attracted to CM and or PAC for that matter either, because they break too many things to even consider them my daily drivers IMHO, and with the arrival of the Snapdragon 800 chipsets speed is never an issue, unlike before on weak handsets like S and X10 on which a custom rom did wonders for the performance.
On the Z Ultra, on the other hand, battery life is proving itself to be outstanding, way more than I expected it to be, as I was afraid the 3000mah battery wasn't gonna cut it due to screen to battery size ratio. Standard dpi is also excellent, alongside kit kat performace. Also, having a quick look on the development section, there isn't too much going on, unlike the Z, I can't seem to find a completely stock kernel that has just undervolting and some recovery options, heck, I don't recall there being a stock based kernel at all.
So, what's your main reason for unlocking this precise device?
Also, how the battery life on stock rom compares to Google Play edition?
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The only need to unlock bootloader is to install the custom room set or custom kernel, but I'm like you and find the stock Sony experience ticks all the boxes I'm interested in. They've done a great job with the stock rom.
Guess the main appeal is for the gpe build.
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SpyderTracks said:
The only need to unlock bootloader is to install the custom room set or custom kernel, but I'm like you and find the stock Sony experience ticks all the boxes I'm interested in. They've done a great job with the stock rom.
Guess the main appeal is for the gpe build.
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its funny you guys are trying to get the gee rom and I'm trying to get away from it.
So, what's your main reason for unlocking this precise device?
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It makes rooting incredible easy. Are you on KitKat? Just flash Jackie's kernel and flash SuperSU. Done. I also like to change ROMs and environments once in awhile, so i typically flash between stock and the GPe ROM, which brings me to....
Also, how the battery life on stock rom compares to Google Play edition?
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It's quite good actually. The GPe ROM doesn't have Stamina, so you have to be a little careful with IM services and stuff like that, but it's not bad at all.
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its funny you guys are trying to get the gee rom and I'm trying to get away from it.
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That's the thing with "Nexus'" (Nexi?). Want a different ROM environment? Too bad. You're stuck with AOSP. Got the original Ultra? You got two environments to choose from. Stock Sony and AOSP, so when you get bored with one of them, you can easily swap. That's one thing that's scarying me away from the Nexus-line. And we also have the GPe version which means that the GPe will get 4.5/5.0 early, and we'll be able to just flash it (after some minor modifications).
I guess it's possible to get a Sony ROM running on the GPe version, but there aren't that many devs around here, so stuff like that will take a fair bit of time. Just hang in there though!
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It makes rooting incredible easy. Are you on KitKat? Just flash Jackie's kernel and flash SuperSU. Done. I also like to change ROMs and environments once in awhile, so i typically flash between stock and the GPe ROM, which brings me to....
It's quite good actually. The GPe ROM doesn't have Stamina, so you have to be a little careful with IM services and stuff like that, but it's not bad at all.
That's the thing with "Nexus'" (Nexi?). Want a different ROM environment? Too bad. You're stuck with AOSP. Got the original Ultra? You got two environments to choose from. Stock Sony and AOSP, so when you get bored with one of them, you can easily swap. That's one thing that's scarying me away from the Nexus-line. And we also have the GPe version which means that the GPe will get 4.5/5.0 early, and we'll be able to just flash it (after some minor modifications).
I guess it's possible to get a Sony ROM running on the GPe version, but there aren't that many devs around here, so stuff like that will take a fair bit of time. Just hang in there though!
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i more or less want the xperia apps and i've already bricked one gee trying to root so i won't be trying again until theres a dummy guide for myself. unfortunately googles choices for media suck and i feel like the xperia integration will work a lot better for me.
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i more or less want the xperia apps and i've already bricked one gee trying to root so i won't be trying again until theres a dummy guide for myself. unfortunately googles choices for media suck and i feel like the xperia integration will work a lot better for me.
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Well that's a lot easier. The Sony KitKat apps are all over the place her at XDA, so just find and install them. I did it myself when I ran the GPe ROM and it worked just fine. You may have to adjust the DPI, but that's not an issue.
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Well that's a lot easier. The Sony KitKat apps are all over the place her at XDA, so just find and install them. I did it myself when I ran the GPe ROM and it worked just fine. You may have to adjust the DPI, but that's not an issue.
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Fair enough I've found a few and also a few that won't install I've looked for a stock camera apk and a few others I couldn't get to install without root.
I doubt the camera will work, but Album, Movies, Walkman and all those works fine (or so they should)
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I doubt the camera will work, but Album, Movies, Walkman and all those works fine (or so they should)
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Yea couldn't find a camera apk but I do have the others but did have to find an older movies apk that would actually work. My situation is that I was looking forward to trying xperia out but also wanted the 6806 model but came across a great deal for the gpe and forgot that it wouldn't have xperia on it.
Hi all,
just jumped from my Mega 6.3 to ZU, and it's been ages I've had a sony device (Arc, I think ), but the price I found it at was just too good to pass.
Now, I've been reading the various threads about downgrading FW then up again, and so on...
I have to say I am usually not afraid of that stuff, but this time I've got really no waranty, and I'm too concerned about breaking something. I already officialy upgraded to KK.
So My question : unlocking the bootloader will make me lose the DRM keys, BUT will also allow me to bipass all the downgrade stuff and jump on custom KK roms? (of course, flashing custom reco and stuff first!)
I must say i do not care for the Bravia engine and others.
Thanks to let me know
Edit : probably LordManathan answered my question :
It makes rooting incredible easy. Are you on KitKat? Just flash Jackie's kernel and flash SuperSU. Done. I also like to change ROMs and environments once in awhile, so i typically flash between stock and the GPe ROM, which brings me to....
That's fine then?
kipue said:
Hi all,
just jumped from my Mega 6.3 to ZU, and it's been ages I've had a sony device (Arc, I think ), but the price I found it at was just too good to pass.
Now, I've been reading the various threads about downgrading FW then up again, and so on...
I have to say I am usually not afraid of that stuff, but this time I've got really no waranty, and I'm too concerned about breaking something. I already officialy upgraded to KK.
So My question : unlocking the bootloader will make me lose the DRM keys, BUT will also allow me to bipass all the downgrade stuff and jump on custom KK roms? (of course, flashing custom reco and stuff first!)
I must say i do not care for the Bravia engine and others.
Thanks to let me know
Edit : probably LordManathan answered my question :
It makes rooting incredible easy. Are you on KitKat? Just flash Jackie's kernel and flash SuperSU. Done. I also like to change ROMs and environments once in awhile, so i typically flash between stock and the GPe ROM, which brings me to....
That's fine then?
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I guess you still need to downgrade and root to backup TA partition before you unlock the bootloader and flash jackie's kernel.
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I guess you still need to downgrade and root to backup TA partition before you unlock the bootloader and flash jackie's kernel.
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Haha, yeah... I was hoping I wouldn't have to really care about the TA partition!
Aside from losing DRM keys, is there any other issue?
Thanks for you quick answer!
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I kept reading (yes I do read the forums a lot before and after a question, haha!) and I read that unlocking the bootloader on an official KK rom will not break x-reality ? Is that correct?
kipue said:
Haha, yeah... I was hoping I wouldn't have to really care about the TA partition!
Aside from losing DRM keys, is there any other issue?
Thanks for you quick answer!
Edit:
I kept reading (yes I do read the forums a lot before and after a question, haha!) and I read that unlocking the bootloader on an official KK rom will not break x-reality ? Is that correct?
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There should not be any other issue. Personally I have never had good experiences with rooting and installing custom kernels/roms. Stock ROM's are always best (just disable bloatware apps, no need to delete them).
X-reality is not disabled on KK after unlocking. But you can always add xpose modules custom bravia etc after rooting.
The only reason that I might root my ZU is for 'SD card functionality' which I hope Sony re-enable in a future update.
Here sign this 'Petitioning Sony Mobile'
https://www.change.org/petitions/so...ed-to-all-our-sony-phones-via-software-update
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There should not be any other issue. Personally I have never had good experiences with rooting and installing custom kernels/roms. Stock ROM's are always best (just disable bloatware apps, no need to delete them).
X-reality is not disabled on KK after unlocking. But you can always add xpose modules custom bravia etc after rooting.
The only reason that I might root my ZU is for 'SD card functionality' which I hope Sony re-enable in a future update.
Here sign this 'Petitioning Sony Mobile'
https://www.change.org/petitions/so...ed-to-all-our-sony-phones-via-software-update
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Cool.
I'll also keep it stock for a week or so, to enjoy it properly, then the flashing finger will start to hitch again
Will take it from here, thanks for taking the time to answer to me
kipue said:
Cool.
I'll also keep it stock for a week or so, to enjoy it properly, then the flashing finger will start to hitch again
Will take it from here, thanks for taking the time to answer to me
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If you aren't worried about the DRM keys the I would just unlock the BL. The DRM keys are needed for netflix and track ID and maybe some other things?
blueether said:
If you aren't worried about the DRM keys the I would just unlock the BL. The DRM keys are needed for netflix and track ID and maybe some other things?
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My research pointed to that too, those DRM keys are actually pretty limited in scope (for me).
The biggest thing to lose is the Bravia engine, since that affects the phone in a more general way. But as I read, if unlocking the bootloader when on official Kitkat, the keys are no longer affected.
Well, I guess better safe than sorry, and I'll try to backup the TA partition anyway ^^
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The biggest thing to lose is the Bravia engine
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Are you sure? I would think that your warranty is the most important thing to keep intact, no? Let's say you just drop backing up the TA partition and you run into some hardware issues that can't be fixed by flashing. What do you do? Throw it into the nearest river? Pay $XXX to fix it? Or, just restore the backup?
It's pretty easy and straight forward. Downgrade to 532, root, backup TA, update to 681 (KitKat) again, and do whatever you want.
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Are you sure? I would think that your warranty is the most important thing to keep intact, no? Let's say you just drop backing up the TA partition and you run into some hardware issues that can't be fixed by flashing. What do you do? Throw it into the nearest river? Pay $XXX to fix it? Or, just restore the backup?
It's pretty easy and straight forward. Downgrade to 532, root, backup TA, update to 681 (KitKat) again, and do whatever you want.
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Yep, you are right of course, but this device I've got has no waranty. Well, gray market waranty at any rate where I guess they don't check the bootloader state, and any breakage will have to be paid at full price.
I will do the backup, just to be sure, as I concluded in my post
Thanks for all the advice!
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Yep, you are right of course, but this device I've got has no waranty. Well, gray market waranty at any rate where I guess they don't check the bootloader state, and any breakage will have to be paid at full price.
I will do the backup, just to be sure, as I concluded in my post
Thanks for all the advice!
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Ahh, I see. Well, I guess you're free to do whatever you feel like then
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I have seen that official CM versions have been released:
SGP 52x: https://download.cyanogenmod.org/?device=castor
SGP 51x:https://download.cyanogenmod.org/?device=castor_windy
I am still using the (rooted) Sony stock firmware. I would prefer the look and feel of CM, but I hesitate to switch because the battery runtime and performance of the tablet is so awesome.
Has anybody tried out those official CM builds yet?
How is performance and battery runtime?
Any major bugs?
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Has anybody tried out those official CM builds yet?
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I'm trying.
I just have tried it out now
So far everything is looking great! Performance with ART is great, also is responsiveness.
Cannot say anything about battery runtime yet. But overall I prefer it over stock.
BabelHuber said:
I just have tried it out now
So far everything is looking great! Performance with ART is great, also is responsiveness.
Cannot say anything about battery runtime yet. But overall I prefer it over stock.
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I had a Motorola Xoom (since it was original released by Verizon) and had CM 11 and 4.4.4 on it. It worked beautifully even on hardware that old. I just picked up the Verizon Xperia Z2 tablet. I like it a lot but I do prefer CM 11. I haven't rooted yet as I am wading through all the forums trying to understand exactly the best way to root, install CWM or TWRP (I like TWRP better) and then load CM 11.
If you don't mind me asking... What model are you running? Was there a specific guide that you used to root? Are you using either CWM or TWRP?
Dave
stupid question, but how the hell do you install this. i tried flashing it thru twrp (using nut dual recovery) for sgp 511, but i just got a black screen afterwords afterwords. i also couldn't reinstall my nut recovery after the flash, so i ended up having to flash back to stock, root, and install twrp and then flashed my original backup to get back the way i was.
i am really only interested in it if it makes touch responsiveness better cause at times i want to throw the thing out the window when it wont touch near where im touching it.
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I had a Motorola Xoom (since it was original released by Verizon) and had CM 11 and 4.4.4 on it. It worked beautifully even on hardware that old. I just picked up the Verizon Xperia Z2 tablet. I like it a lot but I do prefer CM 11. I haven't rooted yet as I am wading through all the forums trying to understand exactly the best way to root, install CWM or TWRP (I like TWRP better) and then load CM 11.
If you don't mind me asking... What model are you running? Was there a specific guide that you used to root? Are you using either CWM or TWRP?
Dave
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this will give you root and 3 bootable recoveries on stock rom:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2785598
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If you don't mind me asking... What model are you running? Was there a specific guide that you used to root? Are you using either CWM or TWRP?
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I am using this CWM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2708194
My device is an SGP512. After flashing CM, you automatically have root, you just need to enable it in the developer settings.
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stupid question, but how the hell do you install this. i tried flashing it thru twrp (using nut dual recovery) for sgp 511, but i just got a black screen afterwords afterwords. i also couldn't reinstall my nut recovery after the flash, so i ended up having to flash back to stock, root, and install twrp and then flashed my original backup to get back the way i was.
i am really only interested in it if it makes touch responsiveness better cause at times i want to throw the thing out the window when it wont touch near where im touching it.
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I installed CM11 like described here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/xpe...2-tabletdevelopment-cm11-android-4-4-t2809793
Install instructions:
first time
- power off the phone:
- hold vol+ and plug usb to boot into fastboot (blu led)
- fastboot flash boot boot.img (from cm10 zip)
- fastboot reboot
- enter recovery, on boot led will be violet for 3'', during this period press vol+
- flash rom zip
- flash gapps zip
- wipe
- reboot
for update just flash rom zip from recovery
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I assume you did not flash the boot.img first...
Touch responsiveness is better with CM, I haven't had the stock ROM bugs. But battery runtime is a little bit better with stock, I guess this is because the screen is brighter when using CM with automatic brightness. I adjusted the brightness settings meanwhile, but it is too early to report results, I have to use it for a few days first.
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stupid question, but how the hell do you install this. i tried flashing it thru twrp (using nut dual recovery) for sgp 511, but i just got a black screen afterwords afterwords. i also couldn't reinstall my nut recovery after the flash, so i ended up having to flash back to stock, root, and install twrp and then flashed my original backup to get back the way i was.
i am really only interested in it if it makes touch responsiveness better cause at times i want to throw the thing out the window when it wont touch near where im touching it.
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this will give you root and 3 bootable recoveries on stock rom:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2785598
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Did you unlock your boOtloader. If not you can only run stock kernel
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Finally running M9, all looks good to me.
Can't wait to try this, returning my Galaxy Tab Lag, I mean S, and going to order a Z2.
As I wrote elsewhere:
At the moment installing CM has no real advantages over using stock ROM, but some disadvantages.
Battery life is clearly better with stock; stock has way better audio (louder, clearer - via the built-in enhancers) over the internal speakers; stock has more built-in features.
I tested CM for some days, but there really was nothing which stock firmware .314 (with Xposed, of course) could not do or even do better.
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Can't wait to try this, returning my Galaxy Tab Lag, I mean S, and going to order a Z2.
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I'm using CM and preferring it over stock. Battery runtime is a little bit worse (at least with M9) , but it doesn't carry the Sony bloat (which I don't use anyways), supports ART and has the CM theme engine. Overall it's snappy and performs well.
But to each its own, stock isn't bad too.
Sony bloat? Titanium Backup, and there you go.
ART? It has been proven that ART brings NO speed advantage over Dalvik in pre-L Android. And you can't use Xposed anymore. So, using ART is not wise.
Theme engine? Superfluous.
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Sony bloat? Titanium Backup, and there you go.[/QUOTE
Yes, but you need to debloat after every update. I consider this to be annoying.
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ART? It has been proven that ART brings NO speed advantage over Dalvik in pre-L Android. And you can't use Xposed anymore. So, using ART is not wise.
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I don't need Xposed for CM, but I needed it for stock even to get an advanced reboot menu. Lots of settings which require Xposed at stock are included in CM per default.
Besides I switched back from ART to Dalvik meanwhile, still liking CM better.
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Theme engine? Superfluous.
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Come on, the first thing I did with my tablet was to install Nova launcher and Holo locker, because Sony's UI looks butt-ugly compared to AOSP!
The Sony themes are also a joke, CM with a good theme looks significantly better. I won't go back to stock for this alone.
But the final reason I switched to an AOSP - derivate were minor annoyances, like when copying an URL from a browser. CM does not have such little annoyances.
Regarding the battery runtime, CM is bright as hell after installation. You need to adjust the values manually. I lose between 1 and 2 hours of screen time with CM (9 to 10th instead of 11), so this is no deal breaker.
But of course you have to find the settings for adjusting the auto-brightness (brightness - settings - adjust), otherwise battery runtime in deed is low.
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because Sony's UI looks butt-ugly compared to AOSP!
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BS. Sony's UI is really elegant and modern. While the AOSP UI is aging.
You can say that YOU personally like the AOSP look better, but to call the Sony UI "butt-ugly" is pure BS.
You are of course entitled to prefer CM just because of the looks (this is what it boils down to...) while dispensing with features and battery time - just like anyone is entitled to what he wants - but smart it isn't.
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BS. Sony's UI is really elegant and modern. While the AOSP UI is aging.
You can say that YOU personally like the AOSP look better, but to call the Sony UI "butt-ugly" is pure BS.
You are of course entitled to prefer CM just because of the looks (this is what it boils down to...) while dispensing with features and battery time - just like anyone is entitled to what he wants - but smart it isn't.
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I don't want to be part of a flame war here, so I won't comment on your BS about smartness.
Honestly, if you like the mess of Sony's UI, just use it. CM with a good L theme is light years ahead IMO.
Also, you conveniently ignore the parts where I mention stuff like no bloat, more options (with no need for Xposed), missing annoyances of stock and snappyness/performance.
The additional 'features' of the stock ROM are completely useless for me. They are just unnecessary bloat in my case.
I personally don't give a rat's ass about one hour of screen time more or less when we talk about 10h! Then I charge the battery with 20% instead of 30%. So what?
Of course you are entitled to have a different opinion, and that's why different ROMs exist in the first place. Just don't act like your choice is the only sensible one for everybody, please!
been on cm for awhile now and I like it.. but just gone back to stock to try out the new update.. i agree stock is irritating for me its just that little bit laggier than cm..... typing, changing browser tabs, flicking between apps. cm is definitely just that bit quicker...
going to stick on stock for abit longer(yes battery is good but its not bad in cm).. Thinking of going back...
anyway the jurys out..
i want sony to make it as fluent as cm. then ill stick i recon.
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Sony bloat? Titanium Backup, and there you go.
ART? It has been proven that ART brings NO speed advantage over Dalvik in pre-L Android. And you can't use Xposed anymore. So, using ART is not wise.
Theme engine? Superfluous.
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Hey, nexus user here, Google velocity rom, they proved that it does
*patting your head* Of cooouurse.... :laugh:
Off topic, art truly is faster, the problem on many non nexus devices is the implementation
I'm back on CM again, tried the new stock for a week. But on my tab it's just too frustrating(typing and the occasional double tap in browsers) which barely happens on CM it's just smoother and yes double tap to turn on works nicely and the speakers are nice and loud.
So, I've tried every which rom out there for the nexus 6p and got tired of dealing with sub par battery life, random hangs (albeit occasionally, but precisely when I needed it to not lag) and other issues. I even tried having 100% stock but with custom recovery and systemless root. Somehow though they were nice for a while they started to slow down and act up after a while. Finally I decided to go back to stock. Fastbooted and flashed stock from Google servers and even locked the bootloader and unchecked "allow unlocking".
I can honestly say that ever since then I've had zero issues and battery life has been phenomenal. No random lags or freezes or drain.
Perhaps this is how google wants the device to be used and stock Android has something in our that works properly only on a 100% factory set software.
Yea I miss the ios style emojis and ad bocker but at least now I can be rest assured about ota updates and using the device in the way google intended and thus having the best experience??
Also I think xposed is slowing down marshmallow and giving it some issues after a while.
What do you guys think ?
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Using a Stock based ROM with root, Adblocker and some Bloatware removed works the best for me. I remember Xposed to be buggy since Android 5, this is why I never used it again. Flashing Updates is not a big deal if you know how to use fastboot and how to flash single parts of a factory image.
Same here dude I have had android phones since the g1 rooted so many. I even remember when Franco was starting out lol. But with the nexus 6p I feel stock is the best experience I have tried a few ROMs but stock is great for this device... Don't get me wrong I feel I need to sometimes try a rom but I don't as it's a hassle now. 100% stock here.
I'm a happy custom rom flasher! Rocking with Chroma for now & like Sinless .. XDA Development for the win!
I'm using Pure Nexus with no issues whatsoever. It's essentially the stock ROM with a few goodies added.
That's where I'm at too. Tethering works, Android pay works, I have no problems with battery. Couldn't be better. I do miss some of the root/ROM features like center clock, different pictures on lock and home, double tap to wake and sleep though
Pure nexus works for me. But yea each phone will be a little different.
Agreed.. I buy nexus so I DON'T have to root to get that experience.
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Absolutely not my experience. Used the phone about one month with stock ROM and flashed Chroma ROM and Franco's kernel then. First thing I noticed was the device running much cooler!! Not a single problem here...
Hmmm pure nexus with ak gives you much better performance and battery than stock.... On screwd at the moment. Also very good
Stock is stock the way the device was intended to be used. Any changes will come from the source, "customize" someone else's work lol..... Riiiiighhhht
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Cleva1 said:
Stock is stock the way the device was intended to be used. Any changes will come from the source, "customize" someone else's work lol..... Riiiiighhhht
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To what are you referring? Your post doesn't make much sense. Not saying that to be rude, just trying to understand what you're saying.
androidbuff123 said:
Finally I decided to go back to stock. Fastbooted and flashed stock from Google servers and even locked the bootloader and unchecked "allow unlocking".
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If you are happy with pure stock, that's great. May I suggest unlocking that bootloader though. I've read about a couple guys where an OTA failed for whatever reason and the phone will not boot. With a locked bootloader, you have no hope of fixing it.
mikexda said:
If you are happy with pure stock, that's great. May I suggest unlocking that bootloader though. I've read about a couple guys where an OTA failed for whatever reason and the phone will not boot. With a locked bootloader, you have no hope of fixing it.
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I second this.
Battery for me has been the same. Also that white background settings UI I hate, black background just looks so much better
Opinion I know but it's an option is lose without root
Kinda Agree.. I'm on Chroma's Rom and not rooted. I like Chroma's subtle additional settings and stock kernel plus the Phone runs great. I will only load roms that use stock kernel because of lag and additional rom anomalies that happen when i need to do something...Ugh!
Choose your apps carefully, is my advice.
If you want to use facebook/messenger. Go for tinfoil or something like that instead. Also, disable the google apps you don't use. Maps can also be done with the browser and is one of the primary battery drains for example. Just like i noticed that since i disabled chrome and went for a chromium browser, battery life has gone up! Same with swiftkey instead of google keyboard, ecspecially with a nice black skin.
And yeah, use the drawer and dock for shortcuts, don't clog your homescreen with icons and widgets. That saves memory and thus battery power.
The thing i don't get though, is that with my z1 on 4.4.4 i could easily get 3 days with 5/6 hours screen on time. I really have to do my best to get that on my 6p. Even though the battery is 500 mah larger!
mikexda said:
If you are happy with pure stock, that's great. May I suggest unlocking that bootloader though. I've read about a couple guys where an OTA failed for whatever reason and the phone will not boot. With a locked bootloader, you have no hope of fixing it.
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Thanks for the tip. That makes sense. Perhaps when ota update comes in and updates the factory recovery, it needs the "allow unlock" button checked.
Maybe that's why it was checked by default after factory reset.
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after messing with my custom build i ended up flashing stock, rooted and added clear all recents to the systemui apk
thats all i need