As posted here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2188467
Do you guys think the devs will be able to enable AWS HSPA bands on the ATT / Rogers / Bell / TELUS devices?
Many of us in Canada use Roam Mobility (T-Mo MVNO) when we roam in the USA. Having access to AWS + 1900 HSPA would be great so that we're camping on 2G less often.
It is in there, the problem is unlocking it. ATT may have required an efuse based lock that cannot be changed once set at the factory.
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Interesting thing is htc has listed data speeds for canadian version via hsdpa is up to 42mb and it's the same for t-mobile USA, only At&t has different one. This could mean, that Canadian version might be similar to T-mobile version. But, this could just mean at&t's network doesn't support speeds of 42mb on hsdpa. I'm leaning toward network limitations.. But, I'm hoping I'm wrong haha
htc fan89 said:
Interesting thing is htc has listed data speeds for canadian version via hsdpa is up to 42mb and it's the same for t-mobile USA, only At&t has different one. This could mean, that Canadian version might be similar to T-mobile version. But, this could just mean at&t's network doesn't support speeds of 42mb on hsdpa. I'm leaning toward network limitations.. But, I'm hoping I'm wrong haha
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ATT does not support 42mbit (network limitation).
Hunt3r.j2 said:
It is in there, the problem is unlocking it. ATT may have required an efuse based lock that cannot be changed once set at the factory.
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It was so easy on the S3 / Note 2 (using Qualcomm software). I'm using a Bell version of the HTC One.
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It was so easy on the S3 / Note 2 (using Qualcomm software). I'm using a Bell version of the HTC One.
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Once I get mine I will take a look on a telus model with the Qualcomm baseband software, like I did on my note 2.
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Once I get mine I will take a look on a telus model with the Qualcomm baseband software, like I did on my note 2.
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Thanks! I look forward to your findings.
WorldIRC said:
It was so easy on the S3 / Note 2 (using Qualcomm software). I'm using a Bell version of the HTC One.
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That's great, but Samsung's lock was superficial, incredibly easy to bypass. Maybe flashing TMOUS radios will do it, but there's no guarantees and it requires S-OFF.
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That's great, but Samsung's lock was superficial, incredibly easy to bypass. Maybe flashing TMOUS radios will do it, but there's no guarantees and it requires S-OFF.
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We know, but the hack or mod will allow us to keep the latest radio's released modded for all frequencies.
Instead of cross flashing all the time.
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We know, but the hack or mod will allow us to keep the latest radio's released modded for all frequencies.
Instead of cross flashing all the time.
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Honestly I don't think this is something worth investigating until S-OFF is achieved. Then we have to figure out whether or not the lock on AWS WCDMA can be removed with software means.
The iPhone 5 had the same exact problem. For T-Mobile they released a phone with the same model number as the ATT version but with AWS WCDMA unlocked. Apple was unable to do anything for the ATT users because the lock went so low level that no software could change it, so they had to just change the software from the factory instead.
The same thing may be happening here.
Has anyone figured this out yet using the QPST method in the Qualcomm software like we do with Samsung?
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Has anyone figured this out yet using the QPST method in the Qualcomm software like we do with Samsung?
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Is there any update on this?
I can understand them locking the AT&T version down at hardware, but no the International version.
Anyone know if I can flash the International to open up 1700 AWS?
Does anyone know if the AT&T HTC One has the 2600 Mhz 4G/LTE band?
The International model does, but not sure if after converting the AT&T one changing the MID, CID and RUU will unlock the band.
As stated above; I'm getting the Rogers HTC One, but I'm not sure which forum I should be following.
With my SGSIII it was simple, Rogers was listed with the AT&T version, and the international version is quite different from the North American, but the One doesn't really seem different between the regions. My biggest concern is the ROMs, want to make sure I'm getting the right ROM for my device.
Thanks
T-Mobile, ATT, Rogers and all GSM carriers are the same as the international version. You can follow either thread you want
Only difference is radio bands
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Hey folks,
I have someone interested in buying my phone. They're on AT&T though (I'm on Verizon). I'm rooted with a custom rom, so I told them it works on AT&T, since I know you can load GSM radios and stuff. I just want to make sure I'm not lying or stretching the truth. Is there any limitations to the GSM? Is it missing any AT&T bands that most AT&T phones come with? Is it slower or have lower call quality or anything like that? Anything I should forewarn them about?
Thanks!!!!
I am using my DNA on AT&T. Everything works just fine. I don't know what Rom you have flashed but some of us GSM guys have or had problems with mms. Sometimes the way to fix it is to install a 3rd party text program. Also, we can't get LTE since the DNA doesn't support AT&T's LTE bands but it does get 3G just fine.
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I have a AT&T branded M8 that I use on Tmobile because it is sim unlocked. My question is, do I flash custom roms from the Tmobile xda board or do I stick with AT&T roms only? I've never use a nonbranded phone! Thank you.
Its a tricky question, actually. In general any ROM meant for the GSM M8 should be "safe" to flash, in that they won't damage your phone and will work for the most part (but stay away from the CDMA ROMs for Verizon and Sprint). But some ROMs might work better on your specific (T-Mobile) network. Also, a different radio may or may not affect reception. The most you can really do is to read up or ask other T-Mobile users (or even T-Mobile customers using the AT&T version M8 like you) what has resulted from trial and error; or experiment yourself.
I have an old M8 lying around that I fired up and had remembered I had rooted it and the bootloader is unlocked.. Is there a way to 'trick' this phone into thinking it's an AT&T branded phone? hboot, etc. and that will allow me to RUU something official from AT&T? I know this sounds really strange and probably stupid but.. I just can't sleep and need something to fill the time.. Can I do it?
Don't think so, radio hardware is different, not to mention the partition layout.
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Is there a way to 'trick' this phone into thinking it's an AT&T branded phone? hboot, etc. and that will allow me to RUU something official from AT&T? ?
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Absolutely not. At least not any way that is known; and your chance of failure is high (with a brick being the possible or even probable result).
As mentioned in the previous comment, the partitioning on the phones is different. If you try to run the RUU, you at best it will fail, at worst it will brick the device.
Most other M8 versions (that don't support CDMA) can be "converted" from one version to another (other exceptions being dual SIM and M8 Eye). But Verizon and Sprint are the oddballs here. Some experienced devs have been messing around with these variants from the start (to try to convert them) with no success.
Perfect! All I needed to hear! Ah well.. it was worth a shot! Just trying to get my account provisioned for LTE so I can get LTE on my unlocked devices.. I've been told, and read, that if I can get an AT&T branded LTE capable phone to just swap my SIM in it.. and let my account provision, then I'll have LTE on any device AT&T or not... Just trying to avoid a contract..
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I've been told, and read, that if I can get an AT&T branded LTE capable phone to just swap my SIM in it.. and let my account provision, then I'll have LTE on any device AT&T or not... Just trying to avoid a contract..
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As long as the phone is SIM unlocked (Verizon version is) then you should just be able to put an AT&T SIM in, and enter the proper AT&T APN for service, as long as the phone supports the proper bands. Its irrelevant whether the phone is AT&T branded or not.
Now the underlined bit in the paragraph above is the main issue. The Verizon M8 only supports one of the four bands (Bands 2, 5, 4, and 17) used by AT&T for LTE (Verizon M8 supports Bands 3, 4, 7, and 13). So depending on what band is used in your area, you may or may not get LTE.
But GSM (2G) and HSPA (3G) should work just fine on AT&T.
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As long as the phone is SIM unlocked (Verizon version is) then you should just be able to put an AT&T SIM in, and enter the proper AT&T APN for service, as long as the phone supports the proper bands. Its irrelevant whether the phone is AT&T branded or not.
Now the underlined bit in the paragraph above is the main issue. The Verizon M8 only supports one of the four bands (Bands 2, 5, 4, and 17) used by AT&T for LTE (Verizon M8 supports Bands 3, 4, 7, and 13). So depending on what band is used in your area, you may or may not get LTE.
But GSM (2G) and HSPA (3G) should work just fine on AT&T.
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That's the odd part.. My main phone is the S6 Edge from Verizon.. it's on the AT&T network and I assume my APN is correct.. But it's not picking up LTE and I am almost certain the S6 Edge from Verizon will pick up the correct band for AT&T LTE .. But it's only using the H+ speed.. What's even more strange?? When I throw my SIM into the M8? I get LTE on AT&T and verify with 30+mpbs speeds.. I have no idea what's going on...
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That's the odd part.. My main phone is the S6 Edge from Verizon.. it's on the AT&T network and I assume my APN is correct.. But it's not picking up LTE and I am almost certain the S6 Edge from Verizon will pick up the correct band for AT&T LTE .. But it's only using the H+ speed.. What's even more strange?? When I throw my SIM into the M8? I get LTE on AT&T and verify with 30+mpbs speeds.. I have no idea what's going on...
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Yeah, that is strange. According to the specs for the S6 Edge here, the Verizon version supports the same LTE bands as the VZN M8, and actually some additional bands (2 and 5) that also happen to be bands used by AT&T.
One thing I can think of, is that the VZN M8 in actuality supports some bands that are not advertised/explicit in the specs. It wouldn't be unheard of, as members here have reported some versions of the non-CDMA M8 as supporting some bands not indicated in the specs. And that band happens to be what AT&T is using in your market region. In this case, that band would seem to be Band 17 (the only band that AT&T is known to use, that isn't listed on the S6 Edge specs).
Or the other possibility, is there is just some issue with the S6 that is preventing connection to LTE (but on the same supported band that the M8 has).
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Yeah, that is strange. According to the specs for the S6 Edge here, the Verizon version supports the same LTE bands as the VZN M8, and actually some additional bands (2 and 5) that also happen to be bands used by AT&T.
One thing I can think of, is that the VZN M8 in actuality supports some bands that are not advertised/explicit in the specs. It wouldn't be unheard of, as members here have reported some versions of the non-CDMA M8 as supporting some bands not indicated in the specs. And that band happens to be what AT&T is using in your market region. In this case, that band would seem to be Band 17 (the only band that AT&T is known to use, that isn't listed on the S6 Edge specs).
Or the other possibility, is there is just some issue with the S6 that is preventing connection to LTE (but on the same supported band that the M8 has).
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Yeah.. I'm not worried about it.. I've been told that all I need is an AT&T branded LTE capable device hooked up to the account and that my account hasn't been provisioned for LTE .. I've seen this in a few places so it's worth a shot.. I ordered a junk LTE phone branded AT&T to test it out.. ordered a OnePlus 2 and will likely unload the S6 Edge (if it never picks up the LTE from AT&T)
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I've been told that all I need is an AT&T branded LTE capable device hooked up to the account and that my account hasn't been provisioned for LTE ..)
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As I've already mentioned, its not really necessary to have an AT&T branded device. I suspect the reason you've seen people say this, is that AT&T branding means by definition the phone has all the bands used by AT&T for LTE; since obviously the phone is intended for use on AT&T's network. Since AT&T uses a number of bands (4) and LTE bands being used worldwide has become very un-standardized, its somewhat difficult to find a non-AT&T phone that has all the bands. But they do exist, such as the US unlocked M8, Dev Edition M8, and Nexus devices. Also, I've seen folks used other non-ATT branded phones, which may not have all 4 LTE bands used by AT&T, but the one(s) needed in the particular user's region. Not ideal, but sufficient for some folks.
Another reason why some may say the phone needs to be AT&T branded, is that AT&T tech support won't provide you any support if you have a non-ATT phone. But honestly, I've used non-branded devices (and plenty of folks here have), and this is very rarely an issue. The folks here on XDA will usually provide you better support, anyway!
Of course, your ATT account needs to be provisioned for LTE in order to have that service. Its a simple matter, and doesn't cost anything (just need a smartphone data plan).
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As I've already mentioned, its not really necessary to have an AT&T branded device. I suspect the reason you've seen people say this, is that AT&T branding means by definition the phone has all the bands used by AT&T for LTE; since obviously the phone is intended for use on AT&T's network. Since AT&T uses a number of bands (4) and LTE bands being used worldwide has become very un-standardized, its somewhat difficult to find a non-AT&T phone that has all the bands. But they do exist, such as the US unlocked M8, Dev Edition M8, and Nexus devices. Also, I've seen folks used other non-ATT branded phones, which may not have all 4 LTE bands used by AT&T, but the one(s) needed in the particular user's region. Not ideal, but sufficient for some folks.
Another reason why some may say the phone needs to be AT&T branded, is that AT&T tech support won't provide you any support if you have a non-ATT phone. But honestly, I've used non-branded devices (and plenty of folks here have), and this is very rarely an issue. The folks here on XDA will usually provide you better support, anyway!
Of course, your ATT account needs to be provisioned for LTE in order to have that service. Its a simple matter, and doesn't cost anything (just need a smartphone data plan).
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I've dug deeper and have to not only have an AT&T branded phone, I have to register the IEMI on my account, then swap the SIM card back into the other phone. I've got the phone but can't find a way to do this online so I'll have to call tomorrow...
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I have a m8 whl sprint abd does not use CDMA only gsm network. I can I change the mid and convert the phone to get latest ota for dev edition version? I thanks
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I have a m8 whl sprint abd does not use CDMA only gsm network. I can I change the mid and convert the phone to get latest ota for dev edition version? I thanks
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Absolutely NO.
What I mentioned above (Post #3) for the Verizon variant, also applies to Sprint (both versions support CDMA - the fact you don't use it is irrelevant). If you try to convert to another version won't work, and will probably result in a brick.
Also, even if you didn't have a CDMA version M8, you typically can't convert using an OTA, it has to be an RUU.
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Absolutely NO.
What I mentioned above (Post #3) for the Verizon variant, also applies to Sprint (both versions support CDMA - the fact you don't use it is irrelevant). If you try to convert to another version won't work, and will probably result in a brick.
Also, even if you didn't have a CDMA version M8, you typically can't convert using an OTA, it has to be an RUU.
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@redpoint ; don't we have any chance to install different provider radios to Verizon Htc devices..?
because verizon devices you know that support 3, 4, 7, and 13 bands,but i want to enable band 20 for europe LTE..
pls help us to enable other bands =( because only u can do that as a genius =)
thanx a lot
cincon said:
@redpoint ; don't we have any chance to install different provider radios to Verizon Htc devices..?
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Absolutely NOT. As already thoroughly discussed on this thread, if you attempt to install another version's radio on the Verizon version, it won't work, and you may radio brick the phone (permanent damage possible).
Different radios, different partition layout.
Don't even try it. Experienced devs have tried to "convert" by various methods and mods, and failed.
But there may be other ways (besides flashing another version's radio) to enable the band(s) you want, read on:
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because verizon devices you know that support 3, 4, 7, and 13 bands,but i want to enable band 20 for europe LTE..
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You can take a look at the following method, as it claims to enable Band 20: http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-htc-one-m8/general/lte-band-7-2600mhz-finally-guide-t2992523
Read the thread, and proceed at your own discretion. I'm not knowledgeable with changing NV values (it doesn't work on "GSM" M8 variants, so does not apply to me). I simply know this thread exists.
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pls help us to enable other bands =( because only u can do that as a genius =)
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Far from a genius, and I don't create any of these mods. I just contribute by passing on knowledge I've gained here. Really, that is part of what XDA is all about.