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It seems that 9 times out of 10 I read about a problem with an android, it's about an OS update breaking things:
"Can't root the latest stock ROM update nohow"
"Latest mfc ROM / CM / etc. incorporated XXX change and now I can't get Viper4Android / AutomateIt / whatever working"
"Latest 5.x ROM now requires root for the same app / action that didn't require root before"
"SELinux / Knox / etc. can't be disabled nohow on the latest ROM"
Personally I got everything working just the way I want on the rooted form of the stock 4.4.2 ROM that came with my LG G Pro 2
--and I'd strangle anyone who hits the update button on it (except I think rooting disabled the OTA update thing)
----and I have half a mind to buy another identical phone for backup, because this phone still seems to be able to go toe to toe with the latest flagships (1080p screen is plenty dense enough for my eyes, 3GB/32GB still seems to be the maximum amount of memory any phone packs, I could care less about new CPUs that eat batteries at the same rate that they increase performance) and more importantly, I'm very pessimistic about the prospects of being able to get Viper4Android, Xposed framework, VolumeSteps+, PBMC Mappings and AutomateIt all working on whatever ROM that comes with whatever next phone I would have to buy when this one breaks.
I read the adventures of those who upgrade their ROM nightly and run into a different compatibility problem every night the way I listen to the ravings of a lunatic walking out of a spectacular train wreck
And I have a friend whom I bought a Sony Z3 for who had gone through trying a dozen different ROMs in a few weeks. It's a brick now
You can argue that the older versions of Android would have more stability and mods, but most end users are not as tech savvy and are less demanding as yourself. All they need is a phone that functions properly for them. Usually developers release updates to fix stuff with the current firmware, so most end users would be tempted to do the update when it comes out. They would be less concerned with things like V4A and custom mods which require more knowledge. As for LG G Pro 2, I wouldn't say it's able to go head to head with other flagship phones, unless you used a custom ROM with it. Specifications wise, it will still lose out to most phones, because no matter how much you attempt to tweak the software, it is still limited by the hardware. Furthermore, when you compare the developer database to Samsung and Sony, LG has a much smaller database as compared to both manufacturers. You can find plenty of custom ROMs for Samsung and Sony phones, but not so for LG phones. Just my two cents.
As Huawei Mate 10 pro was shipped with Android 8 last year I believe Mate 10 Pro also was a part of the Project Treble initiative. If that is so, is it correct to assume that we will soon see an OTA update for Android 9 to the Huawei Mate 10 Pro? And if so, does anyone know anything about the timeline? Like when can we expect to receive Android 9?
Project Treble is a major re-architecture in the way Android works. In essence, it separates the Android operating system (the Android 'framework') from the vendor Hardware Abstraction Layers ('HALs') that allow for the OS to work with the device's hardware
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There have been a few OTA updates including safety patches until August 2019. So that is all good, but when I look in the "About Phone" in settings I am still on Android 8. As I am running this Mate 10 unrooted with a stock ROM I am really looking forward to Android 9 update, and have been checking frequently for new updates without luck.
Anyone knows more about this? Any set date or rumors about an upcoming update to Android 9 for the Mate 10 (pro)?
Currently there is Public beta going on if you are lucky for it to be available.
Date unknown. Probably sometime after the Mate 20 released.
Im in the same boat. Waiting for updates to alot of promised features
that are still lacking in the Mate 10. If Huawei released Android 8.1 for people outside of
China we would already have them.
Instead they are quick to release PUBG and GPU turbo fixes cause we would rather have that than updates for
Camera and Slow Mo 960fps etc.
Second beta was just released. Will update on Friday.
Information from the official Huawei forum in Serbia says that rollout of the official EMUI 9.0 for Mate10 Pro will start on December 14th.
So the Emui is equal to the Android version as in when Huawei update/bump their EMUI to 9.0 that means they will also bump the core to android 9?
Ok, probably just me that have read to much into the Project Treble an the separation of HAL. Since I first read about the HAL last year I kind of figured that the mobile devices that shipped with Android 8 would get a really timely bump to Android 9, like within weeks only after the android bump. So in my mind I kind of expected the roll out of new Android to be almost close to equal to the end of beta for Android 9.
On a semi related question, iirc the back story of the Project Treble was that Google wanted to address the fact that manufacturers did not commit to keep their Android devices updated, and that most of the manufacturers has a short life span of updates. Which combined lead to ie some bad press regarding vulnerability for many older Android devices, along with a less desirable user experiences with aging Android devices. Not to mention the lack of abilities to take advantage of all the newer software improvements that follows each Android update each fall. There have been a couple of Google initiatives prior to Project Treble, without hardly any traction and without Google being able to force manufacturers to stay committed.
So with the Project Treble Google did from what I can remember,make it mandatory for join the Project Treble for those who shipped their devices with Android 8. In my mind that translated to all kinds of things. Like Google putting down minimum requirements for number of updates manufacturers had to commit to, the speed of which they release updates etc.
However, did Google in fact put any of those requirements into Project Treble? Can we in fact look forward to having ie set number of supported updates from manufacturers in the future? Or will the big brands still be able to ignore their customer base rapidly and push forward with new models and focus their energy towards people updating their devices and buying the next year model rather then keeping their previous model with less overall waste, less economic impact and a more sustainable hardware update factor?
Treble means it would be much quicker and easier for oems to update to the newest version of Android, but it would still have to be the OEM making the update and pushing it out to your phone (unless it's an Android one or pixel phone I don't think Google themselves creates the updates)
There are no mandatory commitments to speed or number of updates, I think the only requirement was must be able to boot aosp (but unless your bootloader is unlocked you can't flash aosp anyway)
They will not release the 9 in the near future because they will launch mate 20 in less than a month.... they don't want to hurt sales.
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They will not release the 9 in the near future because they will launch mate 20 in less than a month.... they don't want to hurt sales.
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Yeah but not the final version we need the beta at least ?
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Treble means it would be much quicker and easier for oems to update to the newest version of Android, but it would still have to be the OEM making the update and pushing it out to your phone (unless it's an Android one or pixel phone I don't think Google themselves creates the updates)
There are no mandatory commitments to speed or number of updates, I think the only requirement was must be able to boot aosp (but unless your bootloader is unlocked you can't flash aosp anyway)
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Well if Google didn't take any steps to enforce manufacturers to actually keep updating they should keep their mouth shut about it later when we will see as usual that android devices are lagging behind in version numbers.
I really thought Google went balls in and was brave last last year with Project Treble and put down some new ground rules for their OEM's. But now it seems treble is just as weak hearted as the previous attempts from Google. Well I guess the solution is custom ROM's.
Manufacturers will never keep updating unless they are pressured to do so, they will always chase the sale of the next device and try to maximize profit rather then committing to last years hardware is up to date. So I guess project treble was a nice idea but google lacked the balls to actually lay down the law and demand dedication. Spineless. And to think they once lived by the catchphrase "don't be evil".
Can you test in Europe? I know that the next person in China is testing k.b 1500 users !?
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Can you test in Europe? I know that the next person in China is testing k.b 1500 users !?
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Beta test in Europe is already opened. 101 per country
What a deception... I was hoping Samsung to be more faster on update.
https://www.sammobile.com/2019/05/07/no-android-q-beta-samsung-galaxy-phones-not-yet
Samsung and updates not a good match my friend...if u get a samsung for updates..thats no good.
I got my samsung for the hardware and how beautifull it is. Also with one ui the phone is very snappy as it is. No need for updates as of now
seriously?
I hope no betas are released until Samsung's official one :laugh:
get a pixel!!
Q is no big deal anyway. There isn't a whole lot going on with it other than Google will be able to release security updates via Play Store with their new Project Mainline. It will also give the Pixel kids something to run around and squeal about because we know how they get all puffed up when they can say they got it first. ?
Atleast it's coming this dec.
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Q is no big deal anyway. There isn't a whole lot going on with it other than Google will be able to release security updates via Play Store with their new Project Mainline. It will also give the Pixel kids something to run around and squeal about because we know how they get all puffed up when they can say they got it first. ?
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Yeah, it's true that Android Q hasn't a lot of new stuff.
No need of it now.
But, there's many manufacturers who participate to the beta. I don't understand why a big player like Samsung isn't on the list.
I wish they will participate soon.
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Yeah, it's true that Android Q hasn't a lot of new stuff.
No need of it now.
But, there's many manufacturers who participate to the beta. I don't understand why a big player like Samsung isn't on the list.
I wish they will participate soon.
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I've been through 2 betas with Samsung and before that I was in 3 or 4 with Motorola. To be honest, Samsung doesn't have a clue on how to run a beta program. When we reported problems in the Samsung Members app, the best we got if anything at all was to submit a report through the app to the developers. As far as I know no one got feedback other than we're looking into it. Everything I reported with the S9 carried over to the Pie final. Motorola had a dedicated forum with moderators that actually passed feedback back and forth. I even spoke with a software engineer two times.
Beta with Samsung is sort of here it is, hope it works. :laugh:
well,i was hoping samsung can update a new full screen gesture like android Q , MIUI 10 , oneplus 6's or maybe just build-in one hand operation in next firmware. and faster fingerprint scanning,it really sucks when you try so hard and it just not unlock the phone
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Q is no big deal anyway. There isn't a whole lot going on with it other than Google will be able to release security updates via Play Store with their new Project Mainline. It will also give the Pixel kids something to run around and squeal about because we know how they get all puffed up when they can say they got it first. [emoji57]
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Not sure I agree here. I'm running it on my Pixel 3 xl and it has many noteworthy features. There is live caption which let's you get real-time transcriptions of what is being said on any video, in any app, across the entire OS. There are systemwide UI changes like dark mode and improved gestural navigation and the back button; over 40 updates to the way security, permissions and privacy agreements are handled. Also, there are improvements to Android's security which will make them come faster thought the Playstore (Project Mainline), better parental controls, new Notification Assistant that will help you reply to incoming chats and other minor stuff. In my opinion, it is by no means a small upgrade, specially when you consider it is still in Beta 3 and will probably add even more features. So far, it runs smooth as butter for me and had great battery life.
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If it follows historically anything like previous generations of Samsung phones it should arrive to the S10 family sometime next year in February or March... Just in time for Google's Android R first preview release.
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Fredzvw said:
What a deception... I was hoping Samsung to be more faster on update.
https://www.sammobile.com/2019/05/07/no-android-q-beta-samsung-galaxy-phones-not-yet
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Why? Samsung have no commitment to release a beta firmware to users. People today are too impatient, you need to learn to wait for these things.
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Why? Samsung have no commitment to release a beta firmware to users. People today are too impatient, you need to learn to wait for these things.
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? I'm buying a new high branded product to have one of the best smartphone. I'm here because I want to share my experience and to find informations from others.
What I see is that almost others brands are offering beta firmware to users and faster updates than Samsung. Why do we have to accept this?
I owned some Samsung devices in the past. Finally change my P20 Pro to try S10. But Samsung was not faster than before on updates, maybe slower.
My girlfriend know nothing about cellphone and don't care about updates. But, if you're here man and you don't care about new characteristics, what are you doing here?
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? I'm buying a new high branded product to have one of the best smartphone. I'm here because I want to share my experience and to find informations from others.
What I see is that almost others brands are offering beta firmware to users and faster updates than Samsung. Why do we have to accept this?
I owned some Samsung devices in the past. Finally change my P20 Pro to try S10. But Samsung was not faster than before on updates, maybe slower.
My girlfriend know nothing about cellphone and don't care about updates. But, if you're here man and you don't care about new characteristics, what are you doing here?
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You accept it because that's pretty much the way Samsung has always been and not anyone here is going to change that. When someone buys a Samsung phone, they need to accept that as a condition. I would bet money that the majority of users worldwide care less about updates as long as their phone works reliably.
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? I'm buying a new high branded product to have one of the best smartphone. I'm here because I want to share my experience and to find informations from others.
What I see is that almost others brands are offering beta firmware to users and faster updates than Samsung. Why do we have to accept this?
I owned some Samsung devices in the past. Finally change my P20 Pro to try S10. But Samsung was not faster than before on updates, maybe slower.
My girlfriend know nothing about cellphone and don't care about updates. But, if you're here man and you don't care about new characteristics, what are you doing here?
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Other brands may very well offer beta firmware and if what you want is for firmware to come out quickly then I suggest next time you get one of those devices but what I said was be patient, it will eventually come out. You shouldn't be here just to whine about updates not coming out, I've been on XDA for nearly ten years now and it annoys me when people complain about the speed of updates. You should want a complete update without bugs and that takes time, making a post about it won't speed up the release and just clutters up the feed.
Samsung if you see has alot of devices to take care of. They release security patches on monthly bases to phone ranging from 100-max$ they have. Also the one ui which is very heavy skin needs to be fully usable and bug less in new android q. I myself have tried betas and didn't find anything usefull expect bragging in front my friends. Apps run same or maybe 1-2% faster in Q.
With Android betas you can download a new CPU & more RAM to your device so this is why it's so important to get it quickly from the manufacturer.
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With Android betas you can download a new CPU & more RAM to your device so this is why it's so important to get it quickly from the manufacturer.
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This made me chuckle [emoji1787]
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anyone wanting firmware first solution is easy buy a Google pixel
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Ahh the age old xda mass-debate about beta firmware.
Get yer popcorn sweet-cheekses, its gonna be a great
All this mass-debating :laugh:
In all seriousness tho Samsung won't be physically be able to release firmware as quick as Google due to the extra software overlay. Its that simple lol
Samsung has NEVER been known for releasing software early so I'm not sure why anyone would whine about slow updates.
Is look Android 10 UI 2.0 beta is coming soon ?
https://www.sammobile.com/news/which-galaxy-phones-will-get-an-android-10-beta-program/
Can someone explain to me the logic behind Huawei's decision to skip over the 161 update for many markets, and only giving us the 168 update that brings nothing but the June security patch?
We were promised that camera tweaks are on the way, and I was desperate for this update as I find this camera, and as great as it is, to be inconsistent in terms of colors and exposure. But after weeks of waiting, we got an update that delivers no tweaks and improvements to the cameras or the performance and UI of the phone.
I'm starting to get sick of Huawei's decision to spoil some markets with their software, like China for example, and screwing the majority of the world with their slow, and in this case, meaningless updates. The OnePlus 7 Pro, Note 10, or the next Pixel 4 are looking like a great option if Huawei keeps on going with such pace in regards to updates.
OnePlus 7 Pro camera is ****
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OnePlus 7 Pro camera is ****
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Not with it's latest update. And even without the update, you can easily install a Gcam port that gives you pretty close pictures to those you get from the Pixel.
Anyways, I'm not saying I'm ditching my P30 Pro in the coming few days, but Huawei's update policy is slowly pushing me out of their door.
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Can someone explain to me the logic behind Huawei's decision to skip over the 161 update for many markets, and only giving us the 168 update that brings nothing but the June security patch?
We were promised that camera tweaks are on the way, and I was desperate for this update as I find this camera, and as great as it is, to be inconsistent in terms of colors and exposure. But after weeks of waiting, we got an update that delivers no tweaks and improvements to the cameras or the performance and UI of the phone.
I'm starting to get sick of Huawei's decision to spoil some markets with their software, like China for example, and screwing the majority of the world with their slow, and in this case, meaningless updates. The OnePlus 7 Pro, Note 10, or the next Pixel 4 are looking like a great option if Huawei keeps on going with such pace in regards to updates.
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I got version 168 yesterday; yes no camera improvement was mentioned in the change log, but I noticed the difference in terms of quality especially in 5x-10x zoom. I like the color now compare in the previous version. Maybe they skipped 161 due to over exposure of highlights (like sky) when you took a photo
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I got version 168 yesterday; yes no camera improvement was mentioned in the change log, but I noticed the difference in terms of quality especially in 5x-10x zoom. I like the color now compare in the previous version. Maybe they skipped 161 due to over exposure of highlights (like sky) when you took a photo
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Can you check the version in the camera app?
I'm asking because the 168 doesn't bring any improvements to the images processing, it's only a security patch update.
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I got version 168 yesterday; yes no camera improvement was mentioned in the change log, but I noticed the difference in terms of quality especially in 5x-10x zoom. I like the color now compare in the previous version. Maybe they skipped 161 due to over exposure of highlights (like sky) when you took a photo
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It's the same camera, same selfie video bug even
Maher.k22 said:
Can you check the version in the camera app?
I'm asking because the 168 doesn't bring any improvements to the images processing, it's only a security patch update.
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Same version but I can say there's really a difference in quality especially in zoom
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Same version but I can say there's really a difference in quality especially in zoom
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Again, that's impossible, as the 168 update is only a security patch update. It's size is 124mb for a reason, it didn't even bring performance improvements.
Anyways, you can go to settings/software update/current version, and you can see that it's only for updating the security patch.
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Again, that's impossible, as the 168 update is only a security patch update. It's size is 124mb for a reason, it didn't even bring performance improvements.
Anyways, you can go to settings/software update/current version, and you can see that it's only for updating the security patch.
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It doesn't mean that when it's security patch is listed, it doesn't have camera improvement.
I've observed how huawei works their OTA, they don't usually list all fixes in the changelog even in my P10 at Mate 10 pro before because I monitor changes in firmware finder app before the actual release
Camera app is less 60Mb only and it only need few tweaks to improve.
130Mb is big enough for many minor tweaks
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It doesn't mean that when it's security patch is listed, it doesn't have camera improvement.
I've observed how huawei works their OTA, they don't usually list all fixes in the changelog even in my P10 at Mate 10 pro before because I monitor changes in firmware finder app before the actual release
Camera app is less 60Mb only and it only need few tweaks to improve.
130Mb is big enough for many minor tweaks
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Bro, why are you debating something that you can easily find on XDA and Huawei forums? Huawei themselves, said that the reason why many markets didn't get the 161 that is focused on bringing camera improvements, is because it has compatibility issues with phones released outside of China and the few markets that will receive it. The 168 update is only, and again, only been pushed to bring the latest security patch.
You can even sideload the latest version of the camera app, but you will see zero improvements in image processing, as the improvements were only pushed in the 161 and 162 updates.
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Bro, why are you debating something that you can easily find on XDA and Huawei forums? Huawei themselves, said that the reason why many markets didn't get the 161 that is focused on bringing camera improvements, is because it has compatibility issues with phones released outside of China and the few markets that will receive it. The 168 update is only, and again, only been pushed to bring the latest security patch.
You can even sideload the latest version of the camera app, but you will see zero improvements in image processing, as the improvements were only pushed in the 161 and 162 updates.
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LOL. I'm not debating, I'm telling you what I've observed because I used the camera a lot, more than you use it. I'm a photographer and I can see the difference from the previous version. Go out and test it.
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LOL. I'm not debating, I'm telling you what I've observed because I used the camera a lot, more than you use it. I'm a photographer and I can see the difference from the previous version. Go out and test it.
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I hate to be that guy, but here is your comment on this subject under another post, admitting that this update is just about bringing the June security patch, and that's it.
And you're a photographer, not a prophet. You can be wrong about tbings.
I tested the camera before and after.
Huawei released the full changelog about this update.
Huawei themselves explained why not all markets are getting the update that improves the image processing on this phone.
The web is full of forums discussing this, and you're the 1st person to claim that a 124mb has made the camera on his phone take better pictures.
I respect that you're a photographer, but that doesn't mean your words can't be flase. All the above points prove that this updats has nothing to do with image processing.
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Can someone explain to me the logic behind Huawei's decision to skip over the 161 update for many markets, and only giving us the 168 update that brings nothing but the June security patch?
We were promised that camera tweaks are on the way, and I was desperate for this update as I find this camera, and as great as it is, to be inconsistent in terms of colors and exposure. But after weeks of waiting, we got an update that delivers no tweaks and improvements to the cameras or the performance and UI of the phone.
I'm starting to get sick of Huawei's decision to spoil some markets with their software, like China for example, and screwing the majority of the world with their slow, and in this case, meaningless updates. The OnePlus 7 Pro, Note 10, or the next Pixel 4 are looking like a great option if Huawei keeps on going with such pace in regards to updates.
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I'm quite annoyed too, I was expecting the upgrade with the 161 camera improvements, but directly to the 168, there is no way to manually install the 161?
I'm on the .161 if I update to the latest fw I'll lost the camera improvements?
One thing you can do is download full firmware 168 and see if the new camera update exist in the firmware.
Got the update today without the improvement, will do later today a full firmware flash via erecovery to check if the new camera is included.
Just to end this discussion...
I'm on fw .161 and my camera fw is 9.1.3.309
My friend is on fw .168 and his camera fw is 9.1.0.306
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I'm on the .161 if I update to the latest fw I'll lost the camera improvements?
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No don't worry, you won't, lucky you :/
Hopefully we'll get this camera update and won't be left out.
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No don't worry, you won't, lucky you :/
Hopefully we'll get this camera update and won't be left out.
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We only have to pray and wait hahaha
Isnt the camera just an app? there's no way for someone with .309 to pull it from the phone and post it?
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Isnt the camera just an app? there's no way for someone with .309 to pull it from the phone and post it?
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You can, matter of fact, I installed the 309 version, and nothing has changed. The improvements in image processing are brought through the software update, not the camera app itself.
Hi guys,
Which regions have received the update. The UK hasn't. And if you've personally received it, tell ua about your experience and whether its worth upgrading to.
You can track the rollout on sammobile. It seems that it's quite fast actually.
Got it a few days ago. Can't say I see a major difference.
There are some UI tweaks. For example, I like the layout changes in the "Settings" and totally hate the change in the Notification/Quick Panel (less buttons per page).
The current version of Good Lock doesn't work on One UI 3.0 which is a bummer, but they to plan to fix it soon (talking about February at the moment).
Don't see much change in performance or battery life.
Android 11 with OneUI 3.0 is a joke
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Hi guys,
Which regions have received the update. The UK hasn't. And if you've personally received it, tell ua about your experience and whether its worth upgrading to.
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I just got Android 11 on my sim free Note 10+ 5G in the UK this morning.
Too soon to see what's different yet.
Have to say, this is the first time in a long time when i actually feel the need to do a complete wipe. So many oddities on upgrade, Lock screen is a mess, no clock will show up, click clock in settings under lock screen no capable app available warning is shown. Click on Always On display, nothing happens (in settings it states tap to show when toggled on but does not show anything.)
Phones long overdue a full wipe so will Odin a fresh install and see how that goes
Okay well i sorted those issues forgot i had package disabler pro installed which does not work on this version, so rectified that the only issue i have left is the video camera has become unusable with micro stutters all over the place regardless of the the settings i.e image stabilisation on off hdr on off 1080p 30 or 60 hevc on off, its basically become unusable now
New Zealand - received OTA 5/2/21. No post update issues.