Hi guys, Sorry if a thread like this exists, if so, please let an admin erase this one.
But as for the current year 2013, I'm planning on changing my Ipad 2, for another tablet, (obviously android based). I've been reading, seeing some specs, and people claim the Prime is a little bit better than the TF300, and the infinity is a little bit out of my budget. I know the TF701 is comming but as for the things I've seen it's not a big upgrade from the infinity and offcourse it will come at a hiiiiiighheeeeer price.
So Would you recommend the Prime? The reasons I'm considering the Prime is because I want a 10.1 tablet with keyboard, lately my studies demand a lot of note taking and I'm faster typing on a keyboard than writing on paper, Besides what I love of my ipad is the battery life, and according to reviews and specs the Prime have a better performance in that matter. The only downsides I see on the prime is the Tegra 3 but still it's a quad-core processor. The other downside is the 1GB of RAM but I'd have to cope with that.
Appart of your opinions, I would like to know:
1. Can i set up the dock keyboard language? 'cause my mother language is spanish
2. How are things going with JB? as i read there were problems regarding gamming performance
3. What about development, is it active or is this a phantom forum?
4. Are ROMs Stable and do some improve battery performance?
5. Does the dock Keyboard work on all ROMs? (what about CM, AOSP based ROMs)
6. Are there still wifi problems? like short coverage. So I heard because of the metal casing
7. What do you think about your Primes life-expectancy will it survive for around three more years?
I think that's all for now, so guys hope you can help me..
Hi,
The Prime has poor Wifi performance and almost no GPS. AFAIK the other two do not have does problems.
1: Yes, you can
2: Androwook (2.2) works great for me!
3: Development is active, but not as much as for some other devices EDIT: Maybe not that active, didn´t look around for a while
4: I only know Androwook, which, in Version 2.2 is stable. Battery life is good (Two days for me in University!)
5: I dont know.
6: yes.
7: With a custom ROM, it should. It will be outclassed by newer tablets, of course.
Andy
Milkyway2223 said:
Hi,
The Prime has poor Wifi performance and almost no GPS. AFAIK the other two do not have does problems.
1: Yes, you can
2: Androwook (2.2) works great for me!
3: Development is active, but not as much as for some other devices EDIT: Maybe not that active, didn´t look around for a while
4: I only know Androwook, which, in Version 2.2 is stable. Battery life is good (Two days for me in University!)
5: I dont know.
6: yes.
7: With a custom ROM, it should. It will be outclassed by newer tablets, of course.
Andy
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Version 2.31 should be better in just about every factor over 2.2. Might be worth you upgrading mate.
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Version 2.31 should be better in just about every factor over 2.2. Might be worth you upgrading mate.
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I did, but I am having major problems:
- Dock sometimes doesn´t work right
- Won´t wake up from sleep
- Freezes, with it not booting anymore afterwards. (Stays on loading screen)
I couldn´t post in the dev section, due to under 10 posts
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I did, but I am having major problems:
- Dock sometimes doesn´t work right
- Won´t wake up from sleep
- Freezes, with it not booting anymore afterwards. (Stays on loading screen)
I could´t post in the dev section, due to under 10 posts
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Is this with 2.3 or 2.31 mate?
I have never encountered any dock problems. Did you dirty flash ?
The won't wake up from sleep was a bug in 2.3 with Hunds kernel and should have been fixed in 2.31. If you are still getting it with 2.31 try the stock kernel and see if it still happens.
The freezes again could be related to Hunds kernel and you not having enough power when overclocked. Was you in performance mode when this happened? Also did you try the voltage increase addon that was included in the Kernel Selection page of 2.31 Installer?
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Is this with 2.3 or 2.31 mate?
I have never encountered any dock problems. Did you dirty flash ?
The won't wake up from sleep was a bug in 2.3 with Hunds kernel and should have been fixed in 2.31. If you are still getting it with 2.31 try the stock kernel and see if it still happens.
The freezes again could be related to Hunds kernel and you not having enough power when overclocked. Was you in performance mode when this happened? Also did you try the voltage increase addon that was included in the Kernel Selection page of 2.31 Installer?
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2.31, never tried 2.3
I am using Data2SD, forgot to mention.
The first install was clean, it lastet a few hours till it froze, but I did a Backup after setting it up.
I did not wipe bevor restoring the backup, doe TWRP seemed to format bevor restoring.
The Dock problems hapend after the first freeze, so that could be a problem from the restore.
I did a stability test without voltage fix, no crash there. I did not test the fix long enough yet to know if it worked - so far its okay.
Freezes happend on the homescreens. And once it did not boot while crashing asleep, might be the same problem.
All in balanced mode, except the stability test.
I did not try stock kernel yet. Will try that if it hapens again
Vaizen said:
Hi guys, Sorry if a thread like this exists, if so, please let an admin erase this one.
But as for the current year 2013, I'm planning on changing my Ipad 2, for another tablet, (obviously android based). I've been reading, seeing some specs, and people claim the Prime is a little bit better than the TF300, and the infinity is a little bit out of my budget. I know the TF701 is comming but as for the things I've seen it's not a big upgrade from the infinity and offcourse it will come at a hiiiiiighheeeeer price.
So Would you recommend the Prime? The reasons I'm considering the Prime is because I want a 10.1 tablet with keyboard, lately my studies demand a lot of note taking and I'm faster typing on a keyboard than writing on paper, Besides what I love of my ipad is the battery life, and according to reviews and specs the Prime have a better performance in that matter. The only downsides I see on the prime is the Tegra 3 but still it's a quad-core processor. The other downside is the 1GB of RAM but I'd have to cope with that.
Appart of your opinions, I would like to know:
1. Can i set up the dock keyboard language? 'cause my mother language is spanish
2. How are things going with JB? as i read there were problems regarding gamming performance
3. What about development, is it active or is this a phantom forum?
4. Are ROMs Stable and do some improve battery performance?
5. Does the dock Keyboard work on all ROMs? (what about CM, AOSP based ROMs)
6. Are there still wifi problems? like short coverage. So I heard because of the metal casing
7. What do you think about your Primes life-expectancy will it survive for around three more years?
I think that's all for now, so guys hope you can help me..
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No, no it isn't, i've had problem after problem after problem, i'd have been better off putting it in the bin or eating my dinner off it.
Yeah, I figured after these few answers. I'll wait and see how the next tf701 performs.
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Just wanted to get some opinions on what people are running on their G Tablets, and feel is the best performing ROM?
Also do most/all ROMs support and utilize the dual core of the Tegra?
Any opinions and suggestions on getting the best performing G Tablet would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks much.
Anything on the 1.2 bootloader is going to perform better. The kernels activate the second core at 60% of core ones capacity where kernels for 1.1 activate core 2 at redline of core 1.
Thanks Mantara. Any personal preferences on ROMS? I've tried TNT Lite, and like it, but seem to still have some sluggishness with WIFI, and would like to try something newer based on an Android 2.3 or 3.0 core.
Hold off on any 3.0 roms for now. Still lots of brick issues.
Are you on bootloader 1.1 or 1.2?
If your on 1.1 try calculins+clemsyns version 5. Its got cool tweeks that block adds and control CPU speed based on battery level. It is my personal favorite.
If your on 1.2 I would use cm7 mod for 1.2 in the development section. You can easily get Netflix working, its stable and it has that cyanogen charm that has really made android shine.
You can use cm7 on bootloader 1.1 and C+C on 1.2 (version 6) but through my use I have found them faster and more stable running on the BLs I stated above.
All this is just personal preference though. The whole reason we are on this site is trying things out to find out exactly what we personally like.
Happy flashing,
Ive only had my gtab for a week. Ive tried cm7 based on the. 1.1 then i went to vegan based on 1.2. The vegan is much faster but im not sure if its vegan itself or the different build that is making such a big difference
Vegan 7 has some good tweeks. It just isn't being supported any more.
Kernel makes a big difference. Did you flash a new kernel over cm7?
Also with 1.2 vegan the stock kernel (made by pershoot) is optomized and overclocked to 1.4ghz.
Cm7 for 1.2 has more optimization and than vegan simply for the fact vegan is based off of cm7 7.0.0
And the 1.2 cm7 is 7.0.3. That's about a thousand changes to the rom.
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Hold off on any 3.0 roms for now. Still lots of brick issues.
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Respectfully disagree with this statement. I have been running Roebeet's HC ROMs since the very beginning and, except for a couple of brief problematic versions, have thoroughly enjoyed them all with no bricking along the way.
Currently on Bottle of Smoke 5.2 alpha and have yet to see issues when I flash to a new one. (IMHO) the vast majority of people who are soft-bricking are not following the correct instructions in some way. I did read about a bunch of issues with the illuminate version (modded copy of Roebeet's older ROM). If you stick with Roebeet's stuff and his directions (exactly) you should not have problems. Also GoodIntentions has his G-tab for Dummies site with even more simplified steps.
Before this I ran VEGAnTab (latest) and the only thing I had with that one that I don't now is the camera (no big loss) and flash videos (again, not a big deal). This is my daily driver - I have way over 200 apps installed and every single one that I have tried works fine so far. Overclocked to 1.4 with no FCs yet. At work I stream music with TuneIn Pro and have News360 running all day long and still have 30+% of battery left at day's end. My Quadrant scores are usually 1800-2200 and that is with a pile of stuff being loaded at boot.
For me, it all basically boils down to the interface. I really like the HC one and could not go back to a FroYo or GB-based one now.
Plus, there is the "wow" factor. When someone says "you're running Honeycomb on that?" I just smile and say, "aren't you?"
@ mantra, i borked my tab on my first try going from cm7(1.1) to vegan(1.2) so i ended up nvflashing 1.2 stock then loaded vegan- not sure what exactly that mean on the state of my kernel. (first time paying with roms this week)
Mantara said:
Anything on the 1.2 bootloader is going to perform better. The kernels activate the second core at 60% of core ones capacity where kernels for 1.1 activate core 2 at redline of core 1.
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I saw this comment last week, as well - do we have any evidence of this? Did someone test this and document or is this some third-party boast? I'm just curious because, if it's true, it's the first true improvement over 1.1. The other things like Adam compatibility are important, but it doesn't necessarily make 1.2 BETTER than 1.1, just a little more convenient for things like HC development.
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....Plus, there is the "wow" factor. When someone says "you're running Honeycomb on that?" I just smile and say, "aren't you?"
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I love reading stuff like this - THAT makes modding worth doing. People have assumptions on the GTAB on what it can or can't do, so mods like this show them that it's not impossible if the vendor just pushed for it.
Btw, I agree about the interface over the 2.2/2.3 ROMs. The latter still feels like a big phone interface, even with the UI changes of things like CM7 or EDEN. HC really makes a tablet feel like a tablet, imo - and once they catch up with things like Netflix support, I think HC will eventually dominate.
Mantara said:
Hold off on any 3.0 roms for now. Still lots of brick issues.
Are you on bootloader 1.1 or 1.2?
If your on 1.1 try calculins+clemsyns version 5. Its got cool tweeks that block adds and control CPU speed based on battery level. It is my personal favorite.
If your on 1.2 I would use cm7 mod for 1.2 in the development section. You can easily get Netflix working, its stable and it has that cyanogen charm that has really made android shine.
You can use cm7 on bootloader 1.1 and C+C on 1.2 (version 6) but through my use I have found them faster and more stable running on the BLs I stated above.
All this is just personal preference though. The whole reason we are on this site is trying things out to find out exactly what we personally like.
Happy flashing,
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Thanks much! That's exactly what I was looking for, some personal preferences as a starting point.
I'm not sure if I have 1.1 or 1.2 on the boot loader - would love to get NetFlix going on it; so that's prob. going to be my starting point.
Bells and Whistles are nice lol
nunjabusiness said:
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For me, it all basically boils down to the interface. I really like the HC one and could not go back to a FroYo or GB-based one now.
Plus, there is the "wow" factor. When someone says "you're running Honeycomb on that?" I just smile and say, "aren't you?"
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Thanks Nun. I definitely would love to have a better interface than the typical phone feel; and NetFlix would be great.
tmx2112 said:
Just wanted to get some opinions on what people are running on their G Tablets, and feel is the best performing ROM?
Also do most/all ROMs support and utilize the dual core of the Tegra?
Any opinions and suggestions on getting the best performing G Tablet would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks much.
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well so far. i haven noticed much difference in 1.1 and 1.2 roms. both variations have the plus and minus
best performing
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i think it would be froyo, since everything is supported. FULL hw acceleration (of what ive been told). gb roms were pretty good too. But still have issues. and hc have many issues.
so froyo roms. now which one. ive tried the beastly one, and that was the best for me. Im currently on b corners but too many problems that i might go back to beastlys if i cant figure out this damn wifi bug
cheers
After a couple weeks venturing in the honeycomb world, I'm back to froyo. Specifically, I'm back to calk+clem combo.
VTL launcher + ripple lock + scrollable widgets + full hardware acceleration + OC + full stability = me happy.
roebeet said:
I saw this comment last week, as well - do we have any evidence of this? Did someone test this and document or is this some third-party boast? I'm just curious because, if it's true, it's the first true improvement over 1.1. The other things like Adam compatibility are important, but it doesn't necessarily make 1.2 BETTER than 1.1, just a little more convenient for things like HC development.
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As far as I know neither clemsyn and pershoot have made 1.1 versions of their alterations to the 1.2 kernels that change the power step in the second cores activation.
From his 1.2 kernel thread,
clemsyn said:
In 1.1 cpu1 runs onlywhen cpu0 is running 1000 and above. In 1.2 I changed it to run when cpu0 is 600 and above. I can also make one for 1.1 but I'm moving forward to 1.2.
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I have not read pershoots change log in a two weeks-ish so that may have changed but clemsyn has stated that he will Not make a 1.1 version with the change in power step as he is looking towards the future (1.2) and not the past (1.1). I'm just going off of what I have read on here and SLD. If I am reading this wrong I would appreciate a correction. I don't want to be spreading fallacy all over xda and misleading people.
As far as HC, once its in beta, I will shout it rom the rooftops that people flash it. Until then recommending it to flash as one of your first roms I can't recommend. HC will dominate the tablet world, it is beauty and functionality in motion. But to a person just wanting stability and full functionality it doesn't hit the mark yet. I believe to understand the present and to grasp the future you must know your history. This is why I will always recommend flashing a froyo or GB varient the first time, at least until HC is at least the state that GB is with hardware accell and flash.
As stated earlier, this is just my preference and that is the reason we are all on this site, its all about personal preference.
Thanks - so it's not that it's not possible, it's just that at least one of the kernel devs (Clem) isn't planning to backport his 1.2 changes to 1.1.
I'm a very big supporter of 1.2, but it's important to make that distinction, imo. I'm really not sure WHY there's a 1.2 to begin with (yes, we know that the voltage levels were changed, but not why it was done). All I know is that the Adam is 1.2 based, and Notion Ink is our best chance right now for an HC port with full acceleration. So 1.2 is where I'm staying.
Agreed on you assessment of the current HC port, btw. I call it an alpha for a reason - some things work really well, but a few important things are broken so it's more for advanced users who don't mind the caveats.
I just got my tablet about a month ago, so I'm new to a lot of this stuff. I've learned quite a lot so far. I'm using VEGAn-Tab Ginger edition. I thought about trying some of the other roms, but everything I need works fine on this one. Flash,Videos,web browsing,slingplayer, and others. Maybe when a beta version of honeycomb becomes available I'll upgrade.
just a follow up on this question- i have tried about 8 of the roms so far i love the "feel of the ginger and honey comb roms better but so far nothing beats the calk+clem combo for functionality and speed. i currently run it at 1.4 using cpu master to dial it back a bit. i had a bit of instability running it at 1.5
Try them all....I have yet to hear of a hard brick
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I'm not sure if I have 1.1 or 1.2 on the boot loader - would love to get NetFlix going on it; so that's prob. going to be my starting point.
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roebeet said:
Btw, I agree about the interface over the 2.2/2.3 ROMs. The latter still feels like a big phone interface, even with the UI changes of things like CM7 or EDEN. HC really makes a tablet feel like a tablet, imo - and once they catch up with things like Netflix support, I think HC will eventually dominate.
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One of the most exciting things I wanted to do on a tablet was run Netflix. Dare I say, once I saw a youtube video showing a G-tablet hacked to run Netflix properly (as well as Hulu directly off the site), it was my inspiration to bite the bullet and say I wanted one.
Little did I realize that Netflix currently only works on one rom, CM7, and that rom is not exactly the best option for this thing.
I just came back from a Digital Experience media event in NYC (I have a press pass), where I got to play with the new BB playbook, Samsung 10" tab, and the new webOS tablet. Made me realize how slow and laggy CM7 appears to have made my Gtablet! The tegra chip is capable of more, I've seen it fly through other roms, but I picked CM7 which lacks just about any kind of HW acceleration.
Meanwhile, there are all these little things that irk me- the camera doesn't work in apps like oovoo or yahoo messenger, there's a weird microSD/MMC bug that hides either your internal memory or your SD card (you can at least switch by flashing a zip that renames thins, but you still have to pick one to be invisible to most apps), and the mouse cursor doesn't work if you plug in a USB mouse.
That last one is an issue because I have one of these keyboard/mouse combo mini USB things:
http://gadgetynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/LenovoMiniWirelessKeyboard.jpg
And on other roms (like the stock one), it gives a mouse pointer I can move around and click where I want to pretend I'm touching the screen (pretty cool!). On CM7, it treats it like a track ball that moves the cursor around. So while I'm typing, if it shakes, the cursor moves to the left or right of where I'm trying to type. SUPER ANNOYING. I actually took some duct tape to hold the track ball down.
All this... so I can watch netflix in bed without a laptop. Worth it? I'm still doing it so I guess so. I mean, it was part of why I wanted a tablet. But I can't wait for more roms to work with netflix, I don't care if its Froyo. Just something fast that supports it and doesn't have all these little troublesome quirks!
I mean, someone is bound to figure out what makes it work on netflix and apply it to other roms, right? Or heck, maybe netflix will release an update that works with more devices soon? This is getting ridiculous, IMO!
Whew. Sorry for the rant, that's something I've been needing to say for a while!
Thanks Dishe ... they were some of the same little quirks I was reading about; actually one of the reasons I posted - I appreciate the feedback. I'm sure these guys out here busting it on all the cool ROMs will eventually hit one out of the park - provided all the vendors, i.e. Netflix, etc. get their act together, with DRM, etc.
-T
Can anyone tell me what the fastest most stable ROM for the gTAB is right now? I love tinkering around with the other ROMs but my company is deploying these for technicians and while the stock rom is terrible, I need something that will be consistent and not have many issues. We prefer to run Honeycomb but Gingerbread is fine with me if it is smooth/fast. Thanks guys.
Depends on what you want
I'm assuming since it's for compnay use you have no reason to require hardware acceleration for graphics or videos...in which case a gingerbread rom like vegan-tab ginger edition would be good or cyanogenmod. If you do want all the native hardware support with good usb handling including usb sticks and such I'd go with vegantab 5.1 or clemsyn+caulkins rom both of which are froyo, but are in my opinion the fastest most stable.
wrong section for this eh...
Its a custom rom question, where should I put it?
In general or q&a sections. To many of these in development section bumps useful dev threads out of site.
@moderator please move
Yah G Tablet Q&A!
For "all" of your questions relating to the Viewsonic G Tablet
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1101
http://www.slatedroid.com/forum/102-viewsonic-viewpadg-tab/
http://www.slatedroid.com/forum/102-viewsonic-viewpadg-tab/
http://www.slatedroid.com/forum/102-viewsonic-viewpadg-tab/
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Lol ^^^
:d :d :d
I like cm7... and have tried several others. Many awaiting development of integration of Flash. Most of them HoneyComb once done they will be rocking. Roebeet's and Illuminate are superior, there has been a lot of people that have contributed to the these ROM's. I would say learn how to use nvflash to restore your gtab back to stock configuration and try several of the ROM's for yourself and see which one fits your needs best. Good luck.
@goodintentions- Oh no u diiiiiint! Lol
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Can anyone tell me what the fastest most stable ROM for the gTAB is right now? I love tinkering around with the other ROMs but my company is deploying these for technicians and while the stock rom is terrible, I need something that will be consistent and not have many issues. We prefer to run Honeycomb but Gingerbread is fine with me if it is smooth/fast. Thanks guys.
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Beasty's was the fastest and smoothest I've come across so far.
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http://www.slatedroid.com/forum/102-viewsonic-viewpadg-tab/
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http://www.slatedroid.com/forum/102-viewsonic-viewpadg-tab/
http://www.slatedroid.com/forum/102-viewsonic-viewpadg-tab/
http://www.slatedroid.com/forum/102-viewsonic-viewpadg-tab/
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Not gonna lie, this made me laugh.
Oh, and I concur with the VEGAnTab 5.1 being very stable and usable.
grimmy311 said:
Can anyone tell me what the fastest most stable ROM for the gTAB is right now? I love tinkering around with the other ROMs but my company is deploying these for technicians and while the stock rom is terrible, I need something that will be consistent and not have many issues. We prefer to run Honeycomb but Gingerbread is fine with me if it is smooth/fast. Thanks guys.
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The Froyo based Brilliant Corners ROM over at slatedroid.com is by far the best ROM I have used. Very stable and full hardware support.
+1 for the brilliant corners ROM
Maybe you guys can help clear a few things up for me-
I was under the impression that Froyo roms are the only ones that have full 100% hardware support, since it was the only one supported by the manufacturer at the moment.
Right now I'm running CM7, which I've found rather laggy and many broken features (video chat apps don't seem to work, etc). I blamed it on the fact that CM7 uses Gingerbread and not Froyo.
I read this thread because I'm also looking to ditch this laggy rom and find something fast and stable, so I'm confused that there are so many folks recommending Vegan GE. Wouldn't Gingerbread just be in the same boat I am currently in?
I'll be honest, the reason I've been with CM7 is Netflix support, so I kind of like that Vegan GE can be made to work with the Netflix app. But if Froyo roms are faster and most stable, I'd rather go with that. Can anyone help clarify?
Dishe said:
I read this thread because I'm also looking to ditch this laggy rom and find something fast and stable, so I'm confused that there are so many folks recommending Vegan GE. Wouldn't Gingerbread just be in the same boat I am currently in?
I'll be honest, the reason I've been with CM7 is Netflix support, so I kind of like that Vegan GE can be made to work with the Netflix app. But if Froyo roms are faster and most stable, I'd rather go with that. Can anyone help clarify?
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You can somewhat compensate for the lack of hardware acceleration with overclocking. This is what many folks do.
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You can somewhat compensate for the lack of hardware acceleration with overclocking. This is what many folks do.
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Someone told me this once before (maybe it was you), but I disagree with this being a solution. Overclocking helps somewhat, but more code being sent to more CPU cycles is not always a direct tradeoff in performance. For example, when executing code the JVM has to deal with garbage collectors and other thread management issues that the GPU doesn't need to deal with. I read from notion ink's blog about new HC for the Adam that some of the java GC's can take anywhere between 7-500ms to do its work. The more code being sent to the GPU to offset CPU load, the smoother and less jittery the entire user experience will be.
Overclocking can help make the jittering go away faster, but also cause more of these hickups in a span of time, if I understand correctly.
Overclocking, while very cool, can also deplete your battery faster. I've been clocking at 1.2 and sometimes 1.4Ghz on CM7. I stopped using 1.4 because I noticed the battery didn't last as long, and sometimes the device seemed to heat up more than I remember normally. I'll still overclock, but at the end of the day I don't feel like my device is as smooth as it could be. And that irks me.
Why not just use an overclockable Froyo rom?
Meanwhile, Brilliant Corners sounds interesting but then I have to deal with that whole bootloader 1.2 mess. Not sure I want to go there yet.
Brilliant Corners is simply a 1.2 port of Vegan 5.1.1.
When the 1.2 bootloader arrived, Roebeet figured it would be the future bootloader for our tablets. He therefore made 1.2 equals of the 1.1 Roms he had a hand in developing. BC is Vegan 5.1.1, Mountain Laurel is his original TNT Lite, and Century Eyes is his Gadam rom.
So, if you want Brilliant corners, but don't want to switch bootloaders, then simply get Vegan 5.1.1. It's basically the same thing.
Personally, I was on Brilliant Corners until recently. I bought the tablet with TNT Lite pre-installed, then flashed Vegan 5.1.1. I decided to go to 1.2 and went to Brilliant Corners. I had a couple issues recently (not with the Rom, but the person that was using the Rom) and had to repartition. Figuring I'd lose everythign anyway, I decided ot give another rom a try. I went ot Beasty for 1.2 (it's an Adam Rom) Then, some apps wouldn't install for me, becuase my "device was not compatible." Figuring it was more of a headache, I decided to try Calkulin/Clemsyn combo for 1.2 and it's working like a dream so far. It's overclocked, but has built in Battery management, regulating the voltages as battery life get's lower. It's FAST, it's stable, and I think my battery has lasted longer than it did previously.
The good thing it, there are versions for 1.1 (v5) and 1.2 (v6) so anyone can use it...give it a test drive, you may never look back.
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Someone told me this once before (maybe it was you), but I disagree with this being a solution. Overclocking helps somewhat, but more code being sent to more CPU cycles is not always a direct tradeoff in performance. For example, when executing code the JVM has to deal with garbage collectors and other thread management issues that the GPU doesn't need to deal with. I read from notion ink's blog about new HC for the Adam that some of the java GC's can take anywhere between 7-500ms to do its work. The more code being sent to the GPU to offset CPU load, the smoother and less jittery the entire user experience will be.
Overclocking can help make the jittering go away faster, but also cause more of these hickups in a span of time, if I understand correctly.
Overclocking, while very cool, can also deplete your battery faster. I've been clocking at 1.2 and sometimes 1.4Ghz on CM7. I stopped using 1.4 because I noticed the battery didn't last as long, and sometimes the device seemed to heat up more than I remember normally. I'll still overclock, but at the end of the day I don't feel like my device is as smooth as it could be. And that irks me.
Why not just use an overclockable Froyo rom?
Meanwhile, Brilliant Corners sounds interesting but then I have to deal with that whole bootloader 1.2 mess. Not sure I want to go there yet.
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I completely agree with everything you said. That said, right now the only way to partially compensate for the lack of hw acceleration is overclocking.
So, either you have jerky video playback but have a stable device all the time or you can get rid of the jerkiness (for the most part) and have a stable device most of the time.
Regardless, I'm still recommending froyo just because it is the only one with full hw acceleration support.
Netflix Works... kind of
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Maybe you guys can help clear a few things up for me-
I was under the impression that Froyo roms are the only ones that have full 100% hardware support, since it was the only one supported by the manufacturer at the moment.
Right now I'm running CM7, which I've found rather laggy and many broken features (video chat apps don't seem to work, etc). I blamed it on the fact that CM7 uses Gingerbread and not Froyo.
I read this thread because I'm also looking to ditch this laggy rom and find something fast and stable, so I'm confused that there are so many folks recommending Vegan GE. Wouldn't Gingerbread just be in the same boat I am currently in?
I'll be honest, the reason I've been with CM7 is Netflix support, so I kind of like that Vegan GE can be made to work with the Netflix app. But if Froyo roms are faster and most stable, I'd rather go with that. Can anyone help clarify?
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Roebeet has a netflix hack that will work with both Brilliant Corners and VEGAn 5.1 The problem is, you lose the youtube app... which isn't a huge deal as you can still go to the website and play from there, with full hardware acceleration. So, it's a question of what you want to do. When i made the jump from 1.1 to 1.2 I think my battery life went down a little, but I haven't noted too much difference between VEGAn Tab 5.1 and Brilliant Corners.
If you want to make the 1.2 bootloader jump, try this. It is super straightforward.
http://viewsonic-gtablet-for-dummies.webs.com/
If you want the Netflix Hack for 1.2 , see here. Roebeet made one for Brilliant Corners:
http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/171...lternative-12-based-firmware-g-tabletzpad-t2/
If you want to just stay on 1.1 and do VEGAntab5.1, the link for the neflix hack can be found in the second post here.
http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/146...1-wsupplement-updated-021211-g-tabletzpad-t2/
I got my wife a gtablet from a member from this forum.
It came with older version of G Harmony and some of the soft buttons weren't working. That's fine, wiped, wiped and wiped again and then installed the latest.
Now I'm noticing it's having problems with going into sleep and not waking up. (not all the time but often)
I did the do not sleep from the setting screen and still the same thing.
Now I need a rom that she can use daily without any issues with youtube and hulu working and all the videos working great.
Any suggestions? or did I get a dud?
Any overclocked froyo version will do just fine. Stay away from CM7 as there has been a huge number of reports of problems coming from that end.
full wipe everything and vegan 5.1.1 oughtta set you straight
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1024120
Has been my daily driver for a few months with no problems. No sleep issues and excellent battery life. Only issue is that alternate keyboards require a manual install (moving the apk file from one dir to another)
good intention: thanks
Hey orangekid, we used to come across from ppcgeeks a while back I believe around winmo days.
Thanks for the info.
Isn't vegan ginger at rc1 7.0 atm? any cons?
brettdwagner: any cons from that rom? I see that it's already over-clocked from the get go. How is that? any issues?
what is this alternative keyboard you speak of? lol. I have no idea what you said.
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Any overclocked froyo version will do just fine. Stay away from CM7 as there has been a huge number of reports of problems coming from that end.
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I pretty new to this hobby. Having very good luck with:
Calkulin + Clemsyn Combo V6.
I'd start at goodintentions website:
http://viewsonic-gtablet-for-dummies.webs.com/
and go from there.
Have fun...
Thanks just downloaded v6 from his site and going to lock horns now.
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what is this alternative keyboard you speak of? lol. I have no idea what you said.
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What he is talking about are keyboards that oyu can download from the market. They'll be different colors, different layouts, etc. One that I like has a voice and gesture input method.
on most roms, all that's needed to change the keyboard is to long tap on the text area, then activate the new keyboard. In Calkulin Clemysn, it's much different, as the stock keyboard is in the system files, and needs to be switched with the new one for it to work...
I personally have no issues with Calk's stock keyboard, so I haven't bothered changing it.
http://viewsonic-gtablet-for-dummie...2-04-replace-soft-keyboard-in-tnt-based-roms-
Here is a link to my how-to page to switch keyboards in TnT based froyo roms.
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good intention: thanks
Hey orangekid, we used to come across from ppcgeeks a while back I believe around winmo days.
Thanks for the info.
Isn't vegan ginger at rc1 7.0 atm? any cons?
brettdwagner: any cons from that rom? I see that it's already over-clocked from the get go. How is that? any issues?
what is this alternative keyboard you speak of? lol. I have no idea what you said.
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Yeah ppcgeeks back in the diamond days, I still hang out there too
Vegan 5.1.1 is better because it's froyo and not GB.
Froyo has hardware acceleration and GB does not, so that's why I went with that. You can go RC17.0 but I don't really see what it has to offer over the 2.2 version and it's not as fast or snappy.
I am personally running CM 7.1.0 Nightly and it seems to work great. No real issues that I notice. What is so much better with Froyo? I don't watch hi-def video so then full hardware acceleration isn't really an issue for me, correct?
Basically, I'm trying to figure out the tradeoffs between froyo and gingerbread roms.
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I am personally running CM 7.1.0 Nightly and it seems to work great. No real issues that I notice. What is so much better with Froyo? I don't watch hi-def video so then full hardware acceleration isn't really an issue for me, correct?
Basically, I'm trying to figure out the tradeoffs between froyo and gingerbread roms.
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I used CM7.1 and it had a few quirks. The app drawer sometimes lagged while open, sometimes things lagged just a tiny bit. Overall it's a good ROM, but netflix was fubar.
I am currently on CM7.03, netflix works, a few bugs but not too bad, I can take the tradeoff.
Froyo is VERY snappy, no bugs for me, seems faster than a SGT actually. Video playback is awesome, and some HD games.
My personal favorite is CM7.03 for netflix and CM goodies.
Netflix is working great for me with 7.1. Had to mod the build.prop file but otherwise great. Does the interface look much different between froyo and gingerbread?
I guess this probably won't much of a deal once there is a good, stable HC rom to use. The interface is just too slick to pass up (once basically everything is working well). Actually gtabcomb sounds like it is getting pretty close (except video acceleration and the camera).
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Netflix is working great for me with 7.1. Had to mod the build.prop file but otherwise great. Does the interface look much different between froyo and gingerbread?
I guess this probably won't much of a deal once there is a good, stable HC rom to use. The interface is just too slick to pass up (once basically everything is working well). Actually gtabcomb sounds like it is getting pretty close (except video acceleration and the camera).
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there's no hardware acceleration in GB either.
So I tried both Calc's + kernel and vegan +pershoot kernel rom.
Both are very snappy and responsive but found cons with few.
Vegan rom with pershoot kernel has the slow to wake issue with me having to have to double click on the power button to turn on.
Calc's rom with clemsyn kernel is great but at low battery, it starts to crawl.
It doesn't feel like 1.2ghz but more like 300mhz and it was still near 50%.
Wifi takes forever to turn back on.
Any tweaks that you guys can recommend ?
Where do you see the hardware acceleration difference? Really just with high def movies?
Siptang, can't you go into the performance settings and change how it behaves at low battery levels?
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Where do you see the hardware acceleration difference? Really just with high def movies?
Siptang, can't you go into the performance settings and change how it behaves at low battery levels?
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It crawls when I'm just browsing files from the app drawer.
On which rom does it have performance settings?
edit: found the answer to my previous question.
This is my fifth prime bought the first when it was first released and bought and sold a few more since then I picked one up a few days ago for a crazy price i am now running virtuous prime and performance mode at 1.8 ghz and my galaxy note is still much faster with everything i don't understand this, i think the prime is the best 10 inch tablet i guess i just thought it would be faster when overclocked with a custom rom
for starters wrong section, should've been in QnA section. Second, you could've just posted that in one of the many existing complaint threads.
Not complaining just wondering why and how to make the prime faster
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Not complaining just wondering why and how to make the prime faster
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if you running a custom rom and overclocked it should easily run faster than what you claim. you must not of did something right. I'm stock, rooted, and overclocked n my prime runs circles around my Ipad n phone.
try a different rom and make sure its flashed correctly. virtuous is more of a stock base rom built for stability. you want performance, use AOKP or WSG rom or maybe even new gummy one. lots of different roms to try out. even still, virtuous overclocked should be running great.
OK thanks I will try another room btw my note is rooted running rocket rom lpy so it is not not stock, but it is faster then my current set up on my prime but i will take your advice and try another room thanks
Also remember that different chip setups use different speed tweaks. Are you running a third-party launcher? Any monitoring apps? What kind of widgets? What background services are running? I had virtuous with OC and it was great, but I changed to AOKP with OC and is much faster running the same apps.
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This is my fifth prime bought the first when it was first released and bought and sold a few more since then I picked one up a few days ago for a crazy price i am now running virtuous prime and performance mode at 1.8 ghz and my galaxy note is still much faster with everything i don't understand this, i think the prime is the best 10 inch tablet i guess i just thought it would be faster when overclocked with a custom rom
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Im runnin a custom ICS Rom on my Galaxy S2...Its overclocked at 1.5...And its pretty damn close side by side when I bring up stuff...I too am runnin the Gummy on performance 1.8...But its fast enuff for me...
And I just luv the view of a 10.1 compared to my 4.6 screen on the Epic 4 Touch...
why is my honda civic faster than a 18 wheeler? the 18 wheeler has a much larger engine and a lot more power!
The prime easialy outpowers the note however other things have to come into consideration: What kernel / rom is running on both devices, what device specific optimizations have been made for the specific hardware. What different chipsets, GPU's, screen resolutions, animations, versions of android, etc are there?
There are so many problems with this thread i dont even know where to start. As far as tablets go, the prime has the best HARDWARE. This does not mean, by default, the software will run faster. The same way that 18 wheeler has a much larger and more powerfull engine does not mean it will go faster than my honda civic with its 4 cylinder engine.
My suggestion is go on google and do some research on how android actually works. Learn about the hardware you complain about and maybe you might learn your answer for yourself.
Both are running ics 4.0.3. Both are running adw ex launcher and the same apps don't get me wrong the prime is great I am just surprised that my note loads webpages twice as fast on the same wifi network even on demand at 1400 MHz on the note vs 1800mhz performance on the prime - anyway I was just curious no big deal
lol im not surprised, wifi on the tablet sucks. try loading up some graphic intense games and see which has the fastest loading times. Its no secret the primes wifi sucks try a test that compares other things like the GPU or CPU.
And even if both devices have android 4.0.3 unless its stock google 4.0.3 they have been tweaked in one way or another. load AOSP on each and give er another shot.
just loaded up the gummy v1.2.3 and now it is as about as fast as my note on the internet - of course the prime has more power and gpu but i was more concerned with everyday apps like internet, etc. i currently dont play any games on the prime
i think i wil put an aosp rom on the note and see how it compares - thanks to everyone for their advice
btw i picked up this prime to test out the unlocked bootloader / customs roms, it was pretty scratched up when i bought it used but i put on a zagg screen protector and it covers up all the scratches on the screen and then i bought a nice leather case as well not bad for $100 total !!
Hi Guys.
I'm looking for a good ROM! I would like a stock rom, but modified, improved and twicked in battery life, wifi signal, etc.
What is the best for you?
Ouden said:
Hi Guys.
I'm looking for a good ROM! I would like a stock rom, but modified, improved and twicked in battery life, wifi signal, etc.
What is the best for you?
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So, in other words, not a stock rom. See the development section and educate yourself on what's there
I Have only tried Cleanrom, Had my prime stock for noe year, worked ok expert Internet waiting/force close. With cleanrom it is absolutely Great!
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I like energy and bb8 personally.
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Is any of these ROMs solving the browser ANRs and the general lag of the prime? I am wandering whether to void my warranty.
Ouden said:
Hi Guys.
I'm looking for a good ROM! I would like a stock rom, but modified, improved and twicked in battery life, wifi signal, etc.
What is the best for you?
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Wookie 1.51 with the built-in Clemsyn kernel that disables Fsync. It is a fully functional stock ROM that alleviates some of the issues with our crappy internal storage. This setup actually makes the tablet usable. You will not see any improvement in battery life, and weak GPS and Wifi are hardware/design faults so no ROM will improve that. I have tried CM and Paranoid, but they ran like crap.
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Is any of these ROMs solving the browser ANRs and the general lag of the prime? I am wandering whether to void my warranty.
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Yes, at least somewhat. I have not seen any ANRs since. But the key is not the ROM but a kernel that disables Fsync. Either way, you need to be unlocked. I will not get into the potential issues with disabling Fsync, as that has been discussed, only to say that it can cause data corruption. But I have not seen it yet, and the tablet is actually usable. AndroWook 1.51 with the included Clemsyn kernel does just that. Void your warranty, Asus warranty is useless anyway.
+1 to Androwook. Battery isn't made any better as the rom encourages overclocking and WiFI/GPS won't be improved further because those are hardware flaws. Otherwise its an improvement in every way.
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+1 to Androwook. Battery isn't made any better as the rom encourages overclocking and WiFI/GPS won't be improved further because those are hardware flaws. Otherwise its an improvement in every way.
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Mine overclocks stably to 1.7 Ghz and gives me the same quadrant scores as my stock dual-core Galaxy S3. Otherwise, battery life on this tablet was always crap, but I can't say that overclocking made it significantly worse. The display eats a lot of juice, so watch the brightness.
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Mine overclocks stably to 1.7 Ghz and gives me the same quadrant scores as my stock dual-core Galaxy S3. Otherwise, battery life on this tablet was always crap, but I can't say that overclocking made it significantly worse. The display eats a lot of juice, so watch the brightness.
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What quadrant score do you get? Cleanrom 3.4.2 with Clemsys 1.5-1.8 kernel gives me approx 6300 in performance Mode
And FSync is not disabled. Look at the quadrant scores in topp of thread at the Cleanrom thread with and with out FSync
I assuming Browser2Ram helps a lot?
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I'm loving AndroWook too. Been on Hairy Bean 1.51 for a while with the Clemsyn kernel. No issues. Just started using 2.2 (which is still at RC stage) and really liking it. Got a 6360 score on Quadrant earlier.
I've been following the Androwook thread for a while now but have yet to take the plunge. I'm wondering if I do that now or wait a bit... being pretty new to ROM-ing, I'm uncertain as to how difficult it would be to upgrade the rom when a new version comes out (say we finally get 4.2 for the 201, so Androwook switches from using the tf300 firmware as a base to using the tf201 firmware as a base). I have no concept of how much time (something I don't have enough of these days) it might consume to do a full wipe and upgrade, and get everything back to the way it was.
If you have Titanium Backup it's pretty straightforward. You do need to do a factory reset, so that involves backing up your personal data before you do it. I've got pretty practised at that now and it didn't take long.
It's best to get Titanium to back up all your apps' data before you do it; I only backed up the most recent apps, so lost a little inessential stuff: recent files on RepliGo and so on. If you have the Pro version restoring's very fast.
I'm using Nova Launcher and it even restored all the shortcuts on the home screen, which was pretty neat.
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commiades said:
If you have Titanium Backup it's pretty straightforward. You do need to do a factory reset, so that involves backing up your personal data before you do it. I've got pretty practised at that now and it didn't take long.
It's best to get Titanium to back up all your apps' data before you do it; I only backed up the most recent apps, so lost a little inessential stuff: recent files on RepliGo and so on. If you have the Pro version restoring's very fast.
I'm using Nova Launcher and it even restored all the shortcuts on the home screen, which was pretty neat.
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One thing I will add to this is if installing a 2.x version is to make sure these backups are created on the External SD as the Internal SD is going to be wiped completely by the bootloader upgrade.
asking for a "good" rom is against the rules, so stop.
try them yourself
As the above said.
We do not allow such threads here, the often spark fights over the 'best' rom, when really it all just comes down to your own personal views.
Want to know the best ROM? download a few and try them yourself
And with that the thread is closed