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Currently I have a Storm that has a defective screen. Verizon has sent me the trifecta of consecutive defective phones. They now asked me to find another phone. I was told any phone but the Blackberry Tour. Prior to the Storm I had a 6800 with VZW. However, after multiple issues I had to give it up.
Things I miss now on the Storm is App selection, physical keyboard and WIFI at Times. I guess most important is customization. I flashed many roms on my 6800 to open the GPS, speed it up and allow for tethering. Here are my questions I have and feel free to offer your thoughts.
1. Is the Touch Pro just as easy to flash?
2. Does the TP gain functionality like open GPS when flash?
3. Does flashing allow for undetectable tethering?(I have a itouch that I want to use with it via wmwifirouter.
4. How is battery life?
5. How good is the quality of the phone?
6. Your thoughts?
Thanks for the input.
I don't hate verizion... they just suck.
If I were you I wouldn't get the touch pro through verizion. They slowed down the processor, took away some of the memory, took away the ability for 3rd party GPS*, took away youtube and all streaming media capability and 3 rows of the keyboard. So even if you flashed the bejesus out of it, it would still have three strikes against it in my book. That and the fact that you pay the same price as the one at sprint and you don't get the memory card, headset, and if memory serves the screen protecters. Verizions touch pro is at approx. 70% memory usage just because it has the touch flow interface on, while sprints remain at about 32% under the same conditions.
*I think there was some lawsuit about the GPS bit, but i don't remember the outcome of that.
Sorry that i can't answer any of your other questions but i felt that you needed to know. So... Yeah, don't get the touch pro through verizion.
forlornme5 said:
If I were you I wouldn't get the touch pro through verizion. They slowed down the processor, took away some of the memory, took away the ability for 3rd party GPS*, took away youtube and all streaming media capability and 3 rows of the keyboard. So even if you flashed the bejesus out of it, it would still have three strikes against it in my book. That and the fact that you pay the same price as the one at sprint and you don't get the memory card, headset, and if memory serves the screen protecters. Verizions touch pro is at approx. 70% memory usage just because it has the touch flow interface on, while sprints remain at about 32% under the same conditions.
*I think there was some lawsuit about the GPS bit, but i don't remember the outcome of that.
Sorry that i can't answer any of your other questions but i felt that you needed to know. So... Yeah, don't get the touch pro through verizion.
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Exactly. If you're gung-ho (or on contract) about VZW, I'd wait on their version of the TP2. I believe it's a world phone, which the original TP is not, and not only is it uncrippled I believe, it also offers a 3.5mm headphone jack which other versions may still be using the extUSB connection only.
Big Dawg 23 said:
Currently I have a Storm that has a defective screen. Verizon has sent me the trifecta of consecutive defective phones. They now asked me to find another phone. I was told any phone but the Blackberry Tour. Prior to the Storm I had a 6800 with VZW. However, after multiple issues I had to give it up.
Things I miss now on the Storm is App selection, physical keyboard and WIFI at Times. I guess most important is customization. I flashed many roms on my 6800 to open the GPS, speed it up and allow for tethering. Here are my questions I have and feel free to offer your thoughts.
1. Is the Touch Pro just as easy to flash?
2. Does the TP gain functionality like open GPS when flash?
3. Does flashing allow for undetectable tethering?(I have a itouch that I want to use with it via wmwifirouter.
4. How is battery life?
5. How good is the quality of the phone?
6. Your thoughts?
Thanks for the input.
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I will answer your questions one by one...
1. Is the Touch Pro just as easy to flash?
Ans: I do not know about the 6800, but the process is rather simple.
2. Does the TP gain functionality like open GPS when flash?
Ans: I do not see why it shouldn't. If the GPS is there and it only has a software lock, then erasing all of the software should take care of the problem.
3. Does flashing allow for undetectable tethering?(I have a itouch that I want to use with it via wmwifirouter.
Ans: They will always see the data usage on your plan. So, if they see large amounts of data being used by your account, they might end up assuming that you are tethering. Other than that, I don't think they can detect it (I could be dead wrong though).
4. How is battery life?
Ans: If it is anything like Sprint's TP, it sucks badly. Having said that, different roms use resources in different ways (normally far more efficiently than stock roms), so depending on the rom that you decide to flash, it is bound to get better.
5. How good is the quality of the phone?
Ans: It really depends on the network. The In-Call volume can be (and should be) tweaked by a small fix called "Audio Boost". If you do not use this, I can guarantee you that you will not be able to hear the person on the other side. Call quality in general is not too bad though...
6. Your thoughts?
Ans: I have not seen it in Verizon TP, but the Sprint TP develops something called "Newton Rings" on the screen. Basically, this is a rainbow looking rectangle in the middle of your screen (think of an oil slick). This is an issue that can render the touchscreen useless. This happens simply because the phone gets so damned hot when you use it for anything (GPS, Internet, calls, etc) that the screen gets warped and starts coming out of the phone. Your provider (and even HTC) will say that this happens due to applying too much pressure on the screen, which is BS. If you look this up in PPCGeeks you will see a rather long thread about this same exact issue.
All in all, I would not go for it. You could do what level5music is suggesting and wait for the TP2. Who knows? It could be better or just as ****ty
Hope this helps...
I had the touch pro and switched to the storm...then i switched back to the touch pro. Trust me, the touch pro is worlds better. You will come to hate the blackberry os, as i have. I thought windows mobile was bad...then I flashed to wm 6.5 yesterday after never doing it before. Its way easier to flash with xp in my opinion as I could not get it to work on vista, it always said it disconnected, but maybe its just my machine. But yes, you should get the storm, you wont get push email, but you get a KEYBOARD!
i love windows mobile but i wouldnt trade a storm for a verizon touch pro. it blows period. verizon took a great device and criples it to no better than a vga mogul, crippled cpu (note, the touch pro has enough perfomance issues already so this is worse) no g-sensor, funky keyboard with a misplaced "m" letter key, half the ram and crippled gps. i you want a touch pro, id get a sprint one and flash to verizon, otherwise the bb storm is the better choice imo
wait for the pro 2
Verizon has gimped the touch pro as far as RAM goes. (half of what other providers sell)
The problem with custom roms is that most of them will be set for pagepool designed for more ram.
There has been a new ROM released by verizon that unlocks the built in GPS. This is a good sign. I know people here are saying wait for a touch pro 2, but since verizon wouldn't allow you to get a tour i doubt they will allow a TP2.
I used a sprint version until recently and i got my palm pre to work on verizon
I've used a curve before too. I always miss my TP, even with my palm pre (not nearly enough apps yet)
If you have no choice and need a new device, verizons current offerings are weak, Id go with the TP.
The verizon keyboard is also messed up... the put the "up" key in between n and m keys.
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They slowed down the processor, took away some of the memory, took away the ability for 3rd party GPS*, took away youtube and all streaming media capability and 3 rows of the keyboard.
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Wrong, how can you confuse 2 columns for 3 rows?
my bad.
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Wrong, how can you confuse 2 columns for 3 rows?
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i'm sorry that two words out of my entire rant were wrong. my apoligies.
Save yourself the headache - i have a TP and hate it.
Been using the TP now for about 3 months. I absolutely hate this phone. There were all kinds of bugs in the stock rom, and I still haven't been able to find a ROM where everything just works. The phone is slow, buggy, and the screen really sucks. IMO.
I am currently debating the switch to Tmobile to get an android handset or the iPhone. I have always carried WinMo phones, but I just can't take the grief this one is giving me.
It looks like I am not the only one that has given the same advice. Avoid the TP at all costs unless you can get one for free.
Verizon sucks...but still a great phone.
To be honest HTC & Microsoft are the way of the future. I have a Touch Pro and my wife has a Touch Pro. We both love them sure it has its issues but what phone doesn't?? Before we got the Touch Pro, we both had Moguls and loved those and can't wait to upgrade to the Touch Pro2. I would try to wait for the Touch Pro2 if I were you and I would definitly run and hide from any Blackberry, Palm or Apple phone.
not many people have a problem with the touch pro itself, but the you are missing out on so much if you get the verizion version.
I agree with the others.
I have the TP for Sprint (using JD's latest beta ROM) and love it!!! With saying that..... there are a few things that need to be improved..... with the battery being the main one.
All in all the device is really easy to flash and to maintain, and so far it has served me well........ but my next phone will be an Android phone....... as soon as Sprint gets Android....
hey everyone, i've had my Captivate since it was released last year, but i really want to upgrade it. i'm a little underwhelmed by the specs of the Galaxy Nexus when compared to the SGSII (which is what i was waiting to compare before i just purchased it).
anyways, are there any nagging issues that i should know about before upgrading (like the GPS issue with the Cappy, even though mine always worked perfectly)?
thanks.
Speaking for myself, this has been an absolutely solid device from the moment I got it. Couldn't be happier...
Not a single issue I can think of.
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no major issues yet but the only thing that people have complained about is some screen issues. There have been lines that seemed to be burned into the screen when you view dark images. I have one but i rarely notice it so I'm not concerned and its not a big deal for me. otherwise, i think thats pretty much it. Any other issue that you have can be checked while at the store so you can exchange it while you are there.
No issues here, upgrading also from a week 1 captivate.
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Nope. I haven't even found any minor issues. Rock solid, all the way around.
Only problem I've had is the AP Mobile widget eating up my data even after I turned it off and set the refresh settings to none. Ended up having to root/freeze it just to stop. Samsung and AT&T were of no help. Reading a forum or two here and there shows I'm not alone - but I don't think it is extremely widespread.
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Only problem I've had is the AP Mobile widget eating up my data even after I turned it off and set the refresh settings to none. Ended up having to root/freeze it just to stop. Samsung and AT&T were of no help. Reading a forum or two here and there shows I'm not alone - but I don't think it is extremely widespread.
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I've found the AP Mobile application to be terrible on every device I've used.
Based on my recent experience, I'd have no problem believing that.
I never consider AT&T bloatware to be a "major issue" - even though it's a major deficiency in the out-of-the-box experience, as long as it's fixable, it's not major to me.
So far so good...had good battery out of box for me....running un-named...no complaints my self
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I have no major issues with mine. I'm rooted and running cognition now and it's a solid as when it was stock. This is my third android phone and the first keeper for me having been unhappy with earlier products running android.
Entropy512 said:
I never consider AT&T bloatware to be a "major issue" - even though it's a major deficiency in the out-of-the-box experience, as long as it's fixable, it's not major to me.
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If it ends up sending someone over a data limit and costing money, I'd say its a pretty big deal. At least something to keep an eye on.
As a launch-day Captivate user myself, believe me the SGSII is a night and day difference. Especially in the speed and battery departments. Even running stock is a much smoother experience than many of the custom ROMs I had flashed on my Cap.
The build quality seems to be very good, even for an initial run.
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No issues here, upgrading also from a week 1 captivate.
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Same here, this thing is great. Fast, smooth and great battery. I've ran Cognition and now UnNamed, both are smooth.
I never had any problems with my Captivate other than battery. Unlocked it for my wife to use on T-Mobile and she is getting 24-30 hours on a charge w/3-4hrs display time. The only difference in the set up is the amount of emails and texts when I used it was more than she uses it.
By and large I have had few problems. This is the phone that the Captivate should have been (good GPS and compass and LED flash and front facing camera).
Once I had a problem with GPS acquiring a lock, even with very adequate SNRs as shown by GPS Test (Chartcoss), but it immediately reverted back to great after a reboot.
Occasionally the Facebook app will lag is some aspects, but I can't tell if it is the app or the network.
To OP,
Yes, there are some issues that I have with this phone. Some big, some small but all in all - IMHO not deal breakers...
I'm a 3+ yrs iphone 3G user sitting on the fence between the iphone 4S (pre-release) and SG2. When AT&T announced official release of the SG2 on Oct 2., I made a beeline to two local AT&T stores and both sold out, but they did have the unit on display and when I comared the iphone 4 (non S) vs. the SG2, I instantly fell in love with the Lighter Weight, Larger screen and super thin size of the SG2 over the iphone 4 (non S)...
The problem at hand to answer your question is here:
1. No FM radio - Originally advsertised as an available feature on AT&T website but has been removed. Available on internation i1900 but not on AT&T SGH-I777
2. Samsung DIVE - Samsung's version of lost/stolen phone support *FREE* to all Samsung mobile device yet *CRIPPLED* by AT&T...
3. No visual Voicemail - But then again this is an Android issue not Captivate to SG2 (remember I'm coming off an iphone 3G)
4. NFC missing - Confirmed by AT&T that it was disabled but *supposedly* to return at a later date via firmware update...??? Will update *NERF* the SG2 to comply with APPLE's suit about copyright infringment (this is mere SPECULATION from my part ONLY!!!!)
Makes me MAD that AT&T strips out useful and FREE tools and installs crappy BLOATWARE like AT&T NAVIGATE that I cannot remove wthout ROOTING the phone... Sorry not ready to that just yet but the promise of FREE tethering has me thinking about it...
Samsung has already had to *MOD* some Tablets & phones(?) overseas because one foreign court ruled against Samsung claiming that their OS too closely resembles the IOS and a firmware MOD fixed the SCROLLING method to further distinguish Touchwiz from IOS... Could Samsung/AT&T firmware update that includes NFC then also NERF the UI (if they lose in U.S. Court Case???)
Sorry for rambling on but I think I've answered your questions about my pet peeves with the unit so far I'm really REALLY like the SG2 and after 2 weeks I do NOT have buyers remorse nor do I feel an attraction to the iphone 4S...
Lucke said:
hey everyone, i've had my Captivate since it was released last year, but i really want to upgrade it. i'm a little underwhelmed by the specs of the Galaxy Nexus when compared to the SGSII (which is what i was waiting to compare before i just purchased it).
anyways, are there any nagging issues that i should know about before upgrading (like the GPS issue with the Cappy, even though mine always worked perfectly)?
thanks.
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lonewolf69 said:
To OP,
Yes, there are some issues that I have with this phone. Some big, some small but all in all - IMHO not deal breakers...
I'm a 3+ yrs iphone 3G user sitting on the fence between the iphone 4S (pre-release) and SG2. When AT&T announced official release of the SG2 on Oct 2., I made a beeline to two local AT&T stores and both sold out, but they did have the unit on display and when I comared the iphone 4 (non S) vs. the SG2, I instantly fell in love with the Lighter Weight, Larger screen and super thin size of the SG2 over the iphone 4 (non S)...
The problem at hand to answer your question is here:
1. No FM radio - Originally advsertised as an available feature on AT&T website but has been removed. Available on internation i1900 but not on AT&T SGH-I777
2. Samsung DIVE - Samsung's version of lost/stolen phone support *FREE* to all Samsung mobile device yet *CRIPPLED* by AT&T...
3. No visual Voicemail - But then again this is an Android issue not Captivate to SG2 (remember I'm coming off an iphone 3G)
4. NFC missing - Confirmed by AT&T that it was disabled but *supposedly* to return at a later date via firmware update...??? Will update *NERF* the SG2 to comply with APPLE's suit about copyright infringment (this is mere SPECULATION from my part ONLY!!!!)
Makes me MAD that AT&T strips out useful and FREE tools and installs crappy BLOATWARE like AT&T NAVIGATE that I cannot remove wthout ROOTING the phone... Sorry not ready to that just yet but the promise of FREE tethering has me thinking about it...
Samsung has already had to *MOD* some Tablets & phones(?) overseas because one foreign court ruled against Samsung claiming that their OS too closely resembles the IOS and a firmware MOD fixed the SCROLLING method to further distinguish Touchwiz from IOS... Could Samsung/AT&T firmware update that includes NFC then also NERF the UI (if they lose in U.S. Court Case???)
Sorry for rambling on but I think I've answered your questions about my pet peeves with the unit so far I'm really REALLY like the SG2 and after 2 weeks I do NOT have buyers remorse nor do I feel an attraction to the iphone 4S...
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thanks for your opinion, but i was merely asking about actual hardware/software problems, not personal opinions about the lack of included apps/features.
I think Google Voice is a million (yes literally a million) times better than the visual voicemail on the iPhone.
I did think of one issue I have had. Its minor, but was really frustrating. The stock android keyboard preinstalled seems to be off. The biggest time for me was that I would try for a c and get a space. I am not a fan of the Samsung keyboard, but Gingerbread Keyboard from the market seemed to fix it.
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Hardware/Software problems - REDUX
1. When locked with Passcode or Pattern swipe and then hitting the power button to start the phone, 7 times out of 10 you get the pattern screen, the other 3 times the unit BYPASS the security all together and you can get right in
2. Voice recognition by Voice Action or VLingo, sometimes won't pick up your voice, intermittently strays off of Listen mode (Green) and sits there numbly until you exit restart the VOX
3. Slight BLUISH tint when viewing the SUPER AMOLED screen, when viewing directly on the screen this is a non issue.
4. GPS unit not quite as accurate as my old iphone. Driving around I find the ICON moving OFF road and plowing through houses/buildings on map... This is despite the GPS's S/N ratio is over 85db and locked onto multiple satelites...
IMHO - these issues are NON dealbreakers for me and the more glaring offenders are the missing FM radio and NFC but to each his own...
Good luck...!
Lucke said:
thanks for your opinion, but i was merely asking about actual hardware/software problems, not personal opinions about the lack of included apps/features.
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Agreed that Google Voice is awesome and in many ways superior to Visual Voicemail, however, why couldn't Google Voice have been built in and tied directly to the phone? Why do CALLS have to be first forwarded behind the scenes to Google Voice in order to access Google Voice's Visual Voicemail...?
That's my only gripe with it, I'm using Google Voice on the phone, but I'm peeved that an extra step was needed... IMHO, but judging from some of the other threads I've been reading, I'm not exactly alone on this thought...
mmarquis said:
By and large I have had few problems. This is the phone that the Captivate should have been (good GPS and compass and LED flash and front facing camera).
Once I had a problem with GPS acquiring a lock, even with very adequate SNRs as shown by GPS Test (Chartcoss), but it immediately reverted back to great after a reboot.
Occasionally the Facebook app will lag is some aspects, but I can't tell if it is the app or the network.
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lonewolf69 said:
1. When locked with Passcode or Pattern swipe and then hitting the power button to start the phone, 7 times out of 10 you get the pattern screen, the other 3 times the unit BYPASS the security all together and you can get right in
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The issue here was with stock settings. If you set a pattern lock, then lock the phone. When you wake the phone, let the screen go back to black, then hit the power button. 100% of the time, if you do it that way (let the screen go off then press power again) you get the standard swipe to unlock and bypass the lock pattern.
There is an easy fix. In the lock screen settings set the timeout to immediate (default is 5 minutes) and it will 100% fix the issue.
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I bought the 920 on weds..just returned today. The first one the shop had was DoA but the guy gave me another meant for another customer.The phone is top notch quality albeit on the heavier side. Camera placement in the center is not ideal and the phone could slip out of your hands..but its built like a tank. Screen is excellent and call quality is clear . Despite the weight it feels really good...better than the iphone 5 which i also have and night and day against any samsung phone (i had note 2 as well). Now the bad news.
Windows 8 mobile sucks!!! It took me an hour to setup my windows live or is it hotmail account. When I first setup it thought I was a child and gave me the round around telling me to check with family controls etc. Also I needed to put my credit card details etc just to access the app store. This process was also confusing since it redirected to the awful internet explorer mobile on the phone where the fonts were so small I couldnt see damn thing. Resizing the web page was cumbersome at best. I tried a few times...and i was so frustrated i felt like throwing the phone against the wall. In the end I did a hard reset and after more mucking around and searching on forums I got it working. But it was like pulling teeth.
Once I got my account setup..you cant change it unless you do a hard reset. So you are basically locked to that account. So if you have one older MS live account and a newer one , you wont be able to switch. This is the most retarded thing out. On android and iOs you can have many accounts as you want. I have a US, UK account which I like to use.
Anyway the first thing I did was go to the app store to download essentials such as Whatsapp , skype etc since nowadays we dont really talk anymore on the phone but message.Skype was ok and it has a special interface coz MS owns it. Whatsapp was a disaster, First time it took forever to load my contacts then say i had no contacts. 2nd time i got it to work but no video uploads. the interface is not as easy as on ios or droid. This is by no means MS fault but they should have checked to see if it works on newer phones. But I guess theres the rub. MS win 8 mobile has such a low user base, developers treat updates with the lowest priority. The app store has hotch potch skeleton app selection. You wont find spotify there but Nokia Music fills the gap albeit a poor substitute. I use my phone as music player first and foremost so music lovers will be disappointed. The MS sync tool with itunes is very bad. Playlists and songs werent copied and album art missing.
The microsoft email client is not as good as ios . You can change fonts and html messaged dont look as clean. I dont take many pics so didnt really try out the camera. But even when i turned flash off the flash was still on for some reason. The lens placement in the center of the phone meant that you would take shots of your fingers instead. Since the phone is heavy it was hard to just hold the bottom half to take pics. They should put the lens on the top left/right.
Surfing was an ok experience..windows wouldnt auto resize so most of the time you would get really small fonts.
Movies were good as display is excellent.. For some reason it also just shutdown completely last night (with 70% battery) and it took a soft reset to get it going again. The live tiles system is different and people who are tired of ios or droid may find this unique but the novelty factor wears off since not all tiles are live. The UI is smooth and there was no lag. Also little things like no batt percentage and some youtube videos wouldnt play (vevo) as it recognized win8 as mobile device. This works on ios and droid.
Bottom line...it wasnt a keeper since there are so many bugs to iron out.
Pros
beautiful high quality constructed phone. better than iphone5, htc/samsung note2 s3 etc
good yellow color
good UI..smooth
Cons
Win 8 mobile- THE BIGGEST reason why i returned it.
Camera placement
Apps (im not a heavy app user but the basic ones dont even work properly)
Slightly heavy to hold
It may be good for ppl who take a lot of photos since the camera is supposed to be the best on any phone..apart from that..would advise you to stay away until the win8 bugs are sorted.
PS i think Nokia/MS is desperate so they restricted supply to make it look as if the phone is hot and to get the buzz going. I really wanted to like it but couldnt get past the crap win 8 mobile. If the phone had droid or ios then it would be.. Also I think MS is padding the user reviews to make people buy it...
I set up my mail and main account in less than 5 minutes on my 920. It synced perfectly and pulled down all my contacts, calendar, and photo.
Music syncing wasn't quite as smooth, but I got it working. I do agree about having only one main account and not being able to change it seems stupid.
As for apps, they are coming, but I have noticed some developers putting out subpar WP8 apps while their iOS and Android are fine. I blame the developers for that crap. It's inexcusable.
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Hmm that's funny...
I have an adriod tablet... gmail account and credit card needed for the marketplace... hmm Sounds like an iPhone where an Apple id is required to use the iCrap. Same issue there. Now, I do have one customer that has a Blackberr..... uh nope just switched to a 920. Just saying, your first point has me wondering where else it is any different. The comparison to iOS, eh... one thing I don't have an issue wit on the phone is text size and reading all that, but you do realize you can change that in the settings!!!! This was a change over WP7. Yes there are some subpar apps, but that's what sets WP apart so much of the phone will do what you need 10 apps to do on iOS and Andriod. I can do most of what you do faster on any other platform. However, this is all a preference argument and I personally don't have an app hard on. I had to help a customer settle in coming from her iPhone, but we set up her outlook to use her Micosoft accout for her contacts and calander. She is all setup like if she had excange server at home without changing her other email address. There is a learning curve with any switch... you made one when you bought your first iPhone. You are not buying a new iPhone, it is a new platform.
iujona said:
Windows 8 mobile sucks!!! It took me an hour to setup my windows live or is it hotmail account. When I first setup it thought I was a child and gave me the round around telling me to check with family controls etc. Also I needed to put my credit card details etc just to access the app store. This process was also confusing since it redirected to the awful internet explorer mobile on the phone where the fonts were so small I couldnt see damn thing. Resizing the web page was cumbersome at best. I tried a few times...and i was so frustrated i felt like throwing the phone against the wall. In the end I did a hard reset and after more mucking around and searching on forums I got it working. But it was like pulling teeth.
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I'm sorry you had such a hard time setting an account. In my case, it look me less than 2 mins. It would have been much easier for you to create an account on your computer and then just sign-in with your phone. Wish WP8 provided a "hint" like this to those who are completely new to this ecosystem.
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I'm sorry you had such a hard time setting an account. In my case, it look me less than 2 mins. It would have been much easier for you to create an account on your computer and then just sign-in with your phone. Wish WP8 provided a "hint" like this to those who are completely new to this ecosystem.
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Completely agree.. iCrap forces you to do it that way... the device does not even power on without initially hooking it up and setting it up with iTunes on a computer. I think Micrsoft could recomend it on that first setup screen. If you already have an MS account you don't need to go to the computer at all.... so at least with WP8 you can skip that step and have everything setup before you get home. Just when you thought that would be a feature!
OP, I feel your pain. I like my Nokia 920, but am starting to get cold feet because of the apps. One example, I drive a Toyota it uses ENTUNE, there is no app and possibly will never be fully compatible. ALso things like HBO GO and such. I dont use them much on a phone anyway, but I still miss it. And as my cable company adds Video Apps, they take forever to get to Android, how long until they even acknowledge WP8?? My Son is a college athlete, whats the odds his schools app will have a WP8 version? Again, I do like the phone, if I didnt also use a 7" Galaxy Tab, I probably would have returned it. However, the new Galaxy Note 2 is tempting me to switch phones again...
While the setup on mine was easy, I'll be returning it today for one big reason...the camera. Granted, I knew going in that they camera has problems in daylight shots, but I figured I'd give it a try in the real world and see how my results turned out. Honestly, even worse than I expected. I also have the SIII and this thing can't hold a candle to it's camera. Maybe Nokia fixes it with a software update, but what if they don't? I'd rather return it and wait and see rather than keep it, go beyond my return window, and be stuck with such a crappy camera that never gets fixed.
He's a comparison shot I did this morning. The 920 picture looks like it's been run through some sort of cartoon editing software. Look at the tree on the right with the dead leaves still on it compared to the shot from the SIII. Insanity.
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The colors are alright, but there's absolutely NO clarity. Just awful. So, for now, while I love the phone in every other regard, I'll be returning it and waiting to see if the camera gets fixed.
set up hotmail, gmail, and facebook in seconds, downloaded my contacts from google having migrated from bustedrobot, besides the lack of apps (as its has been repeated their coming) wipes the floor with bustedrobot and i-crap and anything from RIM. easily the best phone ive owned in years
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While the setup on mine was easy, I'll be returning it today for one big reason...the camera. Granted, I knew going in that they camera has problems in daylight shots, but I figured I'd give it a try in the real world and see how my results turned out. Honestly, even worse than I expected. I also have the SIII and this thing can't hold a candle to it's camera. Maybe Nokia fixes it with a software update, but what if they don't? I'd rather return it and wait and see rather than keep it, go beyond my return window, and be stuck with such a crappy camera that never gets fixed.
He's a comparison shot I did this morning. The 920 picture looks like it's been run through some sort of cartoon editing software. Look at the tree on the right with the dead leaves still on it compared to the shot from the SIII. Insanity.
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The colors are alright, but there's absolutely NO clarity. Just awful. So, for now, while I love the phone in every other regard, I'll be returning it and waiting to see if the camera gets fixed.
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Yeah, I have seen a couple of those shots show up, but the majority of shots put the SIII to shame. Go indors and take some shots without the flash (turn it off) And yes the Lumia 900 had some simular issues and yep that got an update right away. The cam went from lackluster to pretty damn good. The pictures consistantly came out better than my transforer prime tablet which had a decent camera.
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set up hotmail, gmail, and facebook in seconds, downloaded my contacts from google having migrated from bustedrobot, besides the lack of apps (as its has been repeated their coming) wipes the floor with bustedrobot and i-crap and anything from RIM. easily the best phone ive owned in years
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Hmm, I set mine up in the store while waiting for the receipt to be printed. But I did already have a .live account. I didn't have to input a credit card because if I buy anything I just add it to my ATT bill. Very unlike my iPad where Apple insists I have a CC on file.
As for locking you into one specific account, well, that's no different from Apple. I can't change my Apple ID either.
And apps? Well, I find that the OS does just about anything I need without specific apps. Whereas I find IOS not much more than a glorified 'app launcher'.
Don't get me wrong. I love my iPad. But I expect something more and different from my phone. I expect my phone to simplify my life and frankly I find this OS does that. I was a 'flashacholic' when I had previous windows phones so I really considered a new Android phone. But frankly WP8 is a dream to use.
OP, sorry you had such a hard time. I had the same hard time the first times tried to set up my first iPad. This comes from being familiar with an OS. Other OSs feel 'wrong'. The 920 isn't for everyone, nor is WinPhone 8, nor is IOS or even Android.
Ain't choice great!
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Yeah, I have seen a couple of those shots show up, but the majority of shots put the SIII to shame. Go indors and take some shots without the flash (turn it off) And yes the Lumia 900 had some simular issues and yep that got an update right away. The cam went from lackluster to pretty damn good. The pictures consistantly came out better than my transforer prime tablet which had a decent camera.
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That's the thing... I don't shoot indoor shots often. The camera is something I use in my job and those are outdoor shots. Great phone, but the camera software needs some work.
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Agreed, and far, FAR beyond iPhone, which I ran with for over 2 years.
As for setting up the Microsoft account, I don't see how anyone could have a problem with it. More importantly, if you know you have to set one up...do it on your PC, not your phone. That's just common sense, or so I'd guess.
Windows Phone 8 is, hands down, the best mobile OS I've ever used, and I've used them all.
dgmhunt said:
set up hotmail, gmail, and facebook in seconds, downloaded my contacts from google having migrated from bustedrobot, besides the lack of apps (as its has been repeated their coming) wipes the floor with bustedrobot and i-crap and anything from RIM. easily the best phone ive owned in years
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That's the thing... I don't shoot indoor shots often. The camera is something I use in my job and those are outdoor shots. Great phone, but the camera software needs some work.
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If that is the case, the Lumia has the most potential. The limitations are on the way the phone is processing the pictures (software) not a limitation on hardware. Hardware you can't change, software you can. Every phone today gets tweeked with after it's initial release. The 920 will be no different. The stabilization works, the low light performance works... Give them a chance to update and if it still doesn't perform... something better will be out there or coming out.
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If that is the case, the Lumia has the most potential. The limitations are on the way the phone is processing the pictures (software) not a limitation on hardware. Hardware you can't change, software you can. Every phone today gets tweeked with after it's initial release. The 920 will be no different. The stabilization works, the low light performance works... Give them a chance to update and if it still doesn't perform... something better will be out there or coming out.
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I absolutely agree the Lumia has tons of potential. And I'm sure they'll put out an update to the software to fix the camera. That's why I returned mine to wait until they do. I can promise you, once they fix it and the reviews start pouring in that the camera is good to go, I'll be picking another one up. Other than the camera software, this phone is amazing.
But even when i turned flash off the flash was still on for some reason. The lens placement in the center of the phone meant that you would take shots of your fingers instead. Since the phone is heavy it was hard to just hold the bottom half to take pics. They should put the lens on the top left/right.
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Youre dont mean the focus-assist lighting? You know, the light that makes your camera able to focus on things it might normally be too dark for it to focus on? Cause thats not flash.
I never take a picture of my fingers. Also, pressing on the screen to take a photo could help you out if you feel its too heavy to hold while using the manual button.
Personally the WP8 experience is on par with the experience I had on my SGS3 with android 4.1.
I like the homescreen far more than on Android, and the way social and email is integrated with the native apps like messaging, contacts, etcetera.
I dont like IE10 as much as Chrome, but thats MOSTLY because of how IE10 handles doubletap to zoom and textwrapping plus certain messageboards. Why no mobile browser besides the microB-browser has had swirlzooming is beyond me.
All in all, the 920 is better for me than the SGS3, and Id choose it over SGS3 any day of the week.
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I bought the 920 on weds..just returned today. The first one the shop had was DoA but the guy gave me another meant for another customer.The phone is top notch quality albeit on the heavier side. Camera placement in the center is not ideal and the phone could slip out of your hands..but its built like a tank. Screen is excellent and call quality is clear . Despite the weight it feels really good...better than the iphone 5 which i also have and night and day against any samsung phone (i had note 2 as well). Now the bad news.
Windows 8 mobile sucks!!! It took me an hour to setup my windows live or is it hotmail account. When I first setup it thought I was a child and gave me the round around telling me to check with family controls etc. Also I needed to put my credit card details etc just to access the app store. This process was also confusing since it redirected to the awful internet explorer mobile on the phone where the fonts were so small I couldnt see damn thing. Resizing the web page was cumbersome at best. I tried a few times...and i was so frustrated i felt like throwing the phone against the wall. In the end I did a hard reset and after more mucking around and searching on forums I got it working. But it was like pulling teeth.
Once I got my account setup..you cant change it unless you do a hard reset. So you are basically locked to that account. So if you have one older MS live account and a newer one , you wont be able to switch. This is the most retarded thing out. On android and iOs you can have many accounts as you want. I have a US, UK account which I like to use.
Anyway the first thing I did was go to the app store to download essentials such as Whatsapp , skype etc since nowadays we dont really talk anymore on the phone but message.Skype was ok and it has a special interface coz MS owns it. Whatsapp was a disaster, First time it took forever to load my contacts then say i had no contacts. 2nd time i got it to work but no video uploads. the interface is not as easy as on ios or droid. This is by no means MS fault but they should have checked to see if it works on newer phones. But I guess theres the rub. MS win 8 mobile has such a low user base, developers treat updates with the lowest priority. The app store has hotch potch skeleton app selection. You wont find spotify there but Nokia Music fills the gap albeit a poor substitute. I use my phone as music player first and foremost so music lovers will be disappointed. The MS sync tool with itunes is very bad. Playlists and songs werent copied and album art missing.
The microsoft email client is not as good as ios . You can change fonts and html messaged dont look as clean. I dont take many pics so didnt really try out the camera. But even when i turned flash off the flash was still on for some reason. The lens placement in the center of the phone meant that you would take shots of your fingers instead. Since the phone is heavy it was hard to just hold the bottom half to take pics. They should put the lens on the top left/right.
Surfing was an ok experience..windows wouldnt auto resize so most of the time you would get really small fonts.
Movies were good as display is excellent.. For some reason it also just shutdown completely last night (with 70% battery) and it took a soft reset to get it going again. The live tiles system is different and people who are tired of ios or droid may find this unique but the novelty factor wears off since not all tiles are live. The UI is smooth and there was no lag. Also little things like no batt percentage and some youtube videos wouldnt play (vevo) as it recognized win8 as mobile device. This works on ios and droid.
Bottom line...it wasnt a keeper since there are so many bugs to iron out.
Pros
beautiful high quality constructed phone. better than iphone5, htc/samsung note2 s3 etc
good yellow color
good UI..smooth
Cons
Win 8 mobile- THE BIGGEST reason why i returned it.
Camera placement
Apps (im not a heavy app user but the basic ones dont even work properly)
Slightly heavy to hold
It may be good for ppl who take a lot of photos since the camera is supposed to be the best on any phone..apart from that..would advise you to stay away until the win8 bugs are sorted.
PS i think Nokia/MS is desperate so they restricted supply to make it look as if the phone is hot and to get the buzz going. I really wanted to like it but couldnt get past the crap win 8 mobile. If the phone had droid or ios then it would be.. Also I think MS is padding the user reviews to make people buy it...
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Got a Lumia 920 yesterday for my wife (not a technically savvy person at all!) Once she had her bearings (about 5 minutes navigating around) it took her less than 5 minutes to set up all her e-mails. There was no need to give any credit card information, and the camera is really good in low lights... compared it to my S2. Daylight shots are a little washed out, but READ! a camera firmware patch is coming soon. Tech specs on the camera are really good, and so is the screen... these two and the solid constructions are the reason i opted for this phone. Pretty sure others would agree.
And in conclusion, if it took you over an hour to set up email, it's a good thing you returned this phone. I would highly recommend staying miles away from Android or Windows devices; a Leap-frog or an Apple product would work best for you.
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I read a post about how amazing Night mode was. So I played around with the scenes Close Ups, Cloudy, and Night Mode. So often, that stuff is just a gimmick, not on this phone!
I returned my Lumia 900 cause it was hard for me to transition from Android and it was lacking. I gave the 920 and WP8 another chance and never looked backed. It's restricted compared to how you have so much customization you can do on Android, but the 920 is far from being some kind of wash out. The stabilization of the camera is one of the best I've seen. I've take shots compared to my HTC One X and the stability feature is awesome.
Personally I love a heavy set phone. Gives me the feel of sturdiness. I've always liked heavier phone.
The screen in day light is simply the best thing I have ever seen. The way the color tones adjust to bright light is incredible. Even with the top down on my car I can see the screen crystal clear.
The speaker on this thing is SUPER loud. Louder than my Nexus 7. The EQ on this thing absolutely smashes anything my One X Beats Audio could dish out. It's even better than any EQ feature on Android 3rd party apps like Power Amp. When I adjust the EQ it adjust.
It took me minutes to set up my Live, Google, LinkedIn, Yahoo, NetZero, and Hotmail Account. The integration is very nice in how it works together.
I have my quarrels with WP8, but it's super stable and nicely integrated with apps optimized for it's ecosystem.
IMHO WP8 is at the point of what Froyo was for Android. One of those landmark version that will get this OS out in the wild.
Sorry to hear you not like it, I can understand as I been there with the 900, but I can't justify it with the 920. The apps will come, the stability will come, the updates to software will come.
I've actually had the worse upgrade of JB on my Nexus 7 when they fixed the bugs of forgetting to December in the calendar. And to be quite frank my 920 process faster than my One X with the same processor and my Nexus 7. I'll never stop using Android, but I'll never say WP8 sucks. There's no way.
I agree with OP regarding the email client; 1 account is not enought. For the rest i can only say that i setup my phone in 5 minutes with no problems at all. Using my 920 since 2 weeks, coming from an iphone4 and no regrets at all.
I was very excited to see a sale on the S7 at Best Buy and was finally ready to relieve my nearly 4 years old Note II of duty until I came here to look into what mod options were available... only to find that there aren't any yet.
So, for those of you who have bought the S7 and have NOT returned it, what reasons have you decided to stick it out? Were you particularly deep in modding your phone before? Are you just happy with the few tools that have come out so far? Are you holding out hope for an unlocked bootloader eventually?
I haven't completely decided against it, but I'm seriously second guessing staying a Samsung customer after this fiasco. My Note II has been solid and a best, no replacements since I bought it on release, but I am way too into my modifications that I'm not sure I'd enjoy upgrading yet or seeking a third option.
Well I really enjoyed running custom ROMs in the past especially Aosp ones, but the fact that my s5 has cracked screen I not sure I'd want to go back. Since I got the free VR which would be worthless without either S6 or S7, I'm kind of stuck. I mean S6 is no go for me no SD card also IP rating. That aside it isn't to bad I was able to get themed pretty close to Aosp without root and I still have faith that we'll unlock this beast eventually. Samsung can't keep us down.
I came from a G3, before that a Note 2. I came back to samsung because I didn't like anything about the G5 and I was tired of some of the problems in LG's software on the G3. I had both devices rooted running debloated stock roms. The main reason I root is to get rid of apps I cannot uninstall and to block ads while sticking with a stock based rom to be able to use the features the manufacturer built into the software. I am disappointed that we may never get root or an unlocked bootloader as I would like to be able to uninstall some apps like facebook, FB messenger, the 4 amazon apps and the 3 sprint apps I cannot get rid of as well as run an ad blocker.
While I still cannot get rid of ads, There are ways to disable the apps using an app called "Package Disabler Pro" or you can use Gatesjuniors' Debloater which is what I'm using because its one less app on my phone, you can find it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software/debloater-remove-carrier-bloat-t2998294 . I have Nova launcher installed and have no lag, call quality is great, mobile signal strength and speed is better than I've ever had with Sprint. My wifi reception is equally as impressive as I still have very usable wifi 30+ yards away from my router through the walls in my house. My G3 had trouble connecting 10 yards away (another reason I came back to samsung).
All that being said, this is the first phone I haven't rooted within the first week of getting it and honestly, other than an annoying ad occasionally (as most of my apps and games are paid for so I don't get many ads anyway) I really see no need to root this phone at this time. I've had the S7 for 3 weeks now and I love it. Wireless charging is awesome as I haven't plugged it in to charge since the first week and on that note the fast charging is even more awesome as it will charge 50% in 30 minutes. The peace of mind in the fact that if it gets wet its no big deal. The screen and performance is phenomenal. Its so much easier to handle than the Note 2 was, I don't miss the heft of that phone at all. If you can get the Gear VR I highly recommend it, I was not a believer and thought I would just sell it but decided to try it to see if it was any good and it made a believer out of me, the Gear VR is awesome and a lot of fun.
Get the S7, it is a huge upgrade to the Note 2 and well worth it in my opinion.
I've kept it because the only reason I rooted in the first place was the free hotspot, and it's not essential that I have it, so I can go without. I'm also keeping it because it's a huge improvement in specs over the S5 I had before.
Free stuff
I came from a SGS4. Heavily modded, custom rom etc... As someone mentioned earlier, the main reason I rooted was for free hotspot activation (and some other free -cough- stuff). For now, I have the hotspot activated for free without root. Happy as a clam. The phone is fantastic. Even if/when Sprint forces an update and locks down my hotspot mod, I love the phone and would not switch to something else. I can still put free -cough- stuff on my phone without root. I'm sure someone will eventually find a way to root the device.
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I came from a SGS4. Heavily modded, custom rom etc... As someone mentioned earlier, the main reason I rooted was for free hotspot activation (and some other free -cough- stuff). For now, I have the hotspot activated for free without root. Happy as a clam. The phone is fantastic. Even if/when Sprint forces an update and locks down my hotspot mod, I love the phone and would not switch to something else. I can still put free -cough- stuff on my phone without root. I'm sure someone will eventually find a way to root the device.
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Well Sprint just pushed an update that gets rid of the ability to mod the phone to use hotpot. The update became available yesterday and it locks down the APN settings to where they are greyed out.
I have had no such update. I just did the mod 1 hour ago. Working fine.
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Macguyver said:
I came from a G3, before that a Note 2. I came back to samsung because I didn't like anything about the G5 and I was tired of some of the problems in LG's software on the G3. I had both devices rooted running debloated stock roms. The main reason I root is to get rid of apps I cannot uninstall and to block ads while sticking with a stock based rom to be able to use the features the manufacturer built into the software. I am disappointed that we may never get root or an unlocked bootloader as I would like to be able to uninstall some apps like facebook, FB messenger, the 4 amazon apps and the 3 sprint apps I cannot get rid of as well as run an ad blocker.
While I still cannot get rid of ads, There are ways to disable the apps using an app called "Package Disabler Pro" or you can use Gatesjuniors' Debloater which is what I'm using because its one less app on my phone, you can find it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software/debloater-remove-carrier-bloat-t2998294 . I have Nova launcher installed and have no lag, call quality is great, mobile signal strength and speed is better than I've ever had with Sprint. My wifi reception is equally as impressive as I still have very usable wifi 30+ yards away from my router through the walls in my house. My G3 had trouble connecting 10 yards away (another reason I came back to samsung).
All that being said, this is the first phone I haven't rooted within the first week of getting it and honestly, other than an annoying ad occasionally (as most of my apps and games are paid for so I don't get many ads anyway) I really see no need to root this phone at this time. I've had the S7 for 3 weeks now and I love it. Wireless charging is awesome as I haven't plugged it in to charge since the first week and on that note the fast charging is even more awesome as it will charge 50% in 30 minutes. The peace of mind in the fact that if it gets wet its no big deal. The screen and performance is phenomenal. Its so much easier to handle than the Note 2 was, I don't miss the heft of that phone at all. If you can get the Gear VR I highly recommend it, I was not a believer and thought I would just sell it but decided to try it to see if it was any good and it made a believer out of me, the Gear VR is awesome and a lot of fun.
Get the S7, it is a huge upgrade to the Note 2 and well worth it in my opinion.
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You can still block ads without root. adguard.com . Uses a local vpn to filter out the ads. It does consume a small amount of data to do so. Might not be the best choice on low data plans.
I know with the Sprint unlimited anything plan, they made mobile hotspot up to 3GB included. I don't actually use it much anyway, so that may be enough for me. I'm still so very on the fence.
People keep talking about free VR, how did you get it for free??
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I know with the Sprint unlimited anything plan, they made mobile hotspot up to 3GB included. I don't actually use it much anyway, so that may be enough for me. I'm still so very on the fence.
People keep talking about free VR, how did you get it for free??
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Apart of a pre-order promo which I would guess is over now.
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I know with the Sprint unlimited anything plan, they made mobile hotspot up to 3GB included. I don't actually use it much anyway, so that may be enough for me. I'm still so very on the fence.
People keep talking about free VR, how did you get it for free??
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I'm on the Sprint unlimited everything plan. I could not activate the hotspot without the mod. Of course, I activated my phone via website. But then, that's how I got my msl code to mod the apn. Oh well.
El.Dante565 said:
Apart of a pre-order promo which I would guess is over now.
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Ahhh, gotcha. Then I guess I'm out of luck on that one. Best Buy has a pretty good promo for $99 right now with a free wireless charger, so I guess that eats the cost of the VR if you wanted to buy it. I'm thinking about it.
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I'm on the Sprint unlimited everything plan. I could not activate the hotspot without the mod. Of course, I activated my phone via website. But then, that's how I got my msl code to mod the apn. Oh well.
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That's strange. Are you on the $75 plan? It's supposed to be included.
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Ahhh, gotcha. Then I guess I'm out of luck on that one. Best Buy has a pretty good promo for $99 right now with a free wireless charger, so I guess that eats the cost of the VR if you wanted to buy it. I'm thinking about it.
That's strange. Are you on the $75 plan? It's supposed to be included.
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Well I was. Bestbuy did not want to honor the $99.99 sale price with 2 year activation (my current contract had expired at the beginning of the month) as they said Sprint wouldn't let them. So I chewed Sprint up and down until they pushed the upgrade through at $99.99. So I did tge activation swap through the website. Now I see I'm on a DIFFERENT unlimited plan. Some kinda "framily" plan for $30. Oh well. Still unlimited
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I have had no such update. I just did the mod 1 hour ago. Working fine.
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You can still block ads without root. adguard.com . Uses a local vpn to filter out the ads. It does consume a small amount of data to do so. Might not be the best choice on low data plans.
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Thanks, I'll give that a shot. I have unlimited data so it's not a worry.
I use about 100gb a month on data with hotspot. S7 not my option anymore. LG G5 is next.
Yeah, I think I'm going to hold off as well at this point. I want to see if they will bend under pressure.
eloko said:
I use about 100gb a month on data with hotspot. S7 not my option anymore. LG G5 is next.
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T-Mobile has announced the LG G5 will have a locked bootloader. Will have to see if other providers will follow suit.
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T-Mobile has announced the LG G5 will have a locked bootloader. Will have to see if other providers will follow suit.
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What?! Oh man... Tmo and sprint are the unlocked ones.. But if tmo is locked, more likely sprint will...
Seriously?! What are these companies thinking? Do they not realize how much of their sales is due to the modifiable side of their phones?
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Seriously?! What are these companies thinking? Do they not realize how much of their sales is due to the modifiable side of their phones?
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That is exactly why I moved from iOS to android. The ability to take 3rd party apps, straight out of the box and modify bloatware, the ui, etc...
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That is exactly why I moved from iOS to android. The ability to take 3rd party apps, straight out of the box and modify bloatware, the ui, etc...
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The first part of this post will be my response to the OP post. The second part will address the user I quoted.
I actually bought this phone because I am losing my desire to mod/flash/root etc. While it's been fun the past 8 years or so, I've realized it has consumed TONS of my time. I can honestly say it got to the point where when I got home, the first thing I would do is get on my laptop or the app and open XDA. Next thing I know I'm flashing a new ROM only to find out in a few days or so that it lacks "this" feature or "that" feature isn't working properly and I'm back on xda looking for something different. It gets old having to reflash the phone because I "couldn't hear outgoing calls" or incoming mms wasn't working. I know seasoned xda members know as well as I that once you tweak one thing it inherently messes up another. Anyhow, this phone is a beast without root. No need for overclock, or even flashing a CM/AOSP rom. If I wanted that I would've picked up a Nexus. As a previous usuer mentioned, adblocking is possible without root as well as hotspot. I'm happy with my S7 and keeping it. Now regarding the user's quote, Samsung is the driver of Android sales worldwide. They want to keep that spot and unfortunately the vast majority of their users don't care about root. Samsung is taking on Apple knuckle to knuckle and in order to win over customers from Apple, they will have to provide the same level of security and functionality as Apple which means no root. Winning over Apple customers will yield them way more profit in the short and long run vs. providing unlock for their "power" users. I'm not cheering on Samsung to continue making their devices "NSA" friendly, but in a world of ever increasing security threats particularly of the cyber nature, rooting will become increasingly more difficult as OEMs try to gain their customers' confidence in the security of their mobile devices.
Been wanting to upgrade my phone for a while.. I do have a S9+ but I have noticed it is starting to lag, and needs frequent reboots.. Now I know this phone is not flagship, but I really do not use all the potentials of the phones I usually buy... So I figured this was cheap, and it will handle my needs.. Basically all I ever do is text, talk, web search, and watch youtube.. I rarely ever take pictures or even videos.. So there was no need for me to buy a flagship phone..
I was looking in the OnePluse 8 or 9, but the biggest complaints I have read ( and never read about any of this on other phones i have owned) is the constant drop calls app freeze, no wifi, bluetooth alwasy disconnects etc.... Only thing I plan on doing is just debloating this thing of the Samsung and Google apps. Should have it in about a week...
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Been wanting to upgrade my phone for a while.. I do have a S9+ but I have noticed it is starting to lag, and needs frequent reboots.. Now I know this phone is not flagship, but I really do not use all the potentials of the phones I usually buy... So I figured this was cheap, and it will handle my needs.. Basically all I ever do is text, talk, web search, and watch youtube.. I rarely ever take pictures or even videos.. So there was no need for me to buy a flagship phone..
I was looking in the OnePluse 8 or 9, but the biggest complaints I have read ( and never read about any of this on other phones i have owned) is the constant drop calls app freeze, no wifi, bluetooth alwasy disconnects etc.... Only thing I plan on doing is just debloating this thing of the Samsung and Google apps. Should have it in about a week...
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I have the OP9, carrier direct, and have not experienced those issues so far. I rooted it very easily, after the extra steps to extract the boot.img. I enjoy the camera on this phone and the new xpan mode..
Let me know how it goes
hammeru said:
I have the OP9, carrier direct, and have not experienced those issues so far. I rooted it very easily, after the extra steps to extract the boot.img. I enjoy the camera on this phone and the new xpan mode..
Let me know how it goes
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Thanks. I should have the phone from T-Mobile in about a week.. They still haven't shipped it yet... I was really looking forward to a OnePluse 9, but the reviews were just a bit to much.. Glade you not experiencing those issue.. Maybe the next one will be a OnePlus phone..
Received yesterday. I'm actually impressed. Been playing around with it so far works well pretty snappy. Have temper screen protector and Otter box defender case.