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Now I know this is largely an opinion based question but figured I'd get some good feedback. I am a former incredible owner and with the incredible I had MANY choices of ROMs that were all fast, great battery improvements and completely stable. I was a huge fan of CM7 on the incredible. I finally just rooted my Thunderbolt and am looking for the same. I just want a ROM that is stable, decent speed and with better battery life. So far I flashed a sense 3.5 ROM (InfectedROM) and it is has many bugs, little bit better battery and actually feels slower than stock. CM7 says it is still in beta so I have been reluctant to try it. Does anybody have any advice on the most solid ROM out there for the Thunderbolt? Thank you
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Now I know this is largely an opinion based question but figured I'd get some good feedback. I am a former incredible owner and with the incredible I had MANY choices of ROMs that were all fast, great battery improvements and completely stable. I was a huge fan of CM7 on the incredible. I finally just rooted my Thunderbolt and am looking for the same. I just want a ROM that is stable, decent speed and with better battery life. So far I flashed a sense 3.5 ROM (InfectedROM) and it is has many bugs, little bit better battery and actually feels slower than stock. CM7 says it is still in beta so I have been reluctant to try it. Does anybody have any advice on the most solid ROM out there for the Thunderbolt? Thank you
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Any BAMF ROM. They are almost completely bug free, smooth, and offer better battery life over stock. CM7, even though it's not officially supported yet, doesn't have too many bugs. The battery life, in my opinion, just doesn't match up to Sense ROMs.
One piece of advice I'll give you for better battery life. Don't overclock. It just isn't necessary. The phone is fast enough at 1GHz, and you won't see too much of a change overclocking, just worse battery life. (Benchmark scores are meaningless. They do not reflect every day performance)
What kind of mAh drain do you experience on bamf roms? I stay between 15-25 on CM7 with the screen off and peak between 150-350 with screen on. BT is always on, as well as GPS. (Never use wifi, so can't speak on that) Oh, and I just Juice defender, before JD I would average 35-40. Sync mail with imap every 15 and exchange on push. Underclocked with screen off to 360 and run 1024 with screen on. I don't OC unless I'm plugged in. Then its only 1209.
I'll also cast a vot for Team BAMF. I am on BAMF forever 1.10 and I flashed the devs beta 3++ kernel build after because I saw a bit of lag with the stock kernel. You absolutely need to remember to wipe before flashing the rom, though. I neglected to and the lockscreen didn't even work.
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I never dropped below 30% battery using bamf in months, I'm a huge fan. It took a lot for me to drain it down low.
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I vote BAMF SoaB. But I'm biased.
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Never had any problems with CM7 via protekk's builds. Run fast and smooth, and get great battery life. Plus it's clean so I don't have to worry about washing my hands after using it
Skyraider 1.3. Gives the best balance of htc sense functionality, battery life, customizations, and speed. I would stay away from sense 3.0 and 3.5 roms. They initially seem smooth; however in everyday use they will lag on you. The phone is just not designed for 3.0/3.5 sense. The 2.1/3.0 hybrid roms work well which is what the skyraider 1.3 rom is. If you don't like sense, then run CM 7.1.1 or Liquid Smooth 3.2. The non-sense roms will be a little faster, but I like the widgets that come with sense.
Update: Forgot MIUI rom. Very nice if you like the apple-esk look and feel. Very smooth.
BAMF forever 1.1
How do i find the BAMF forever 1.1 rom. When I use ROM mamanger I only see 1.0.5
Another vote for SkyRaider Zeus 1.3.
Near perfect for me.
Miui tons of customization very good batt life and very smooth
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BAMF roms are probably the most stable roms and I tried most of them already I even bricked my phone a couple of times trying all the roms and so far I'm sticking with this ROM called thunder stick 3d
I've tried Bamf Forever, SkyRaider, SoaB, MIUI and Gingeritis 3D.
My vote out of all 3 is Gingeritis! Battery life has been a ton better than the Bamf roms and MIUI I only liked on my Droid X. Wasn't a fan on my T'Bolt.
Liquid Gingerbread 3.2
Liquid's AOSP 3.2 is by far the best rom I've used, it's based on CM7, which is technically still a beta, but I think that's just because the official support on the CM website is slated for CM9, I have no issues with Liquid 3.2 and I tend to be picky about dealing with bugs, and battery life is good the way it comes, better than Sense based roms, and you can configure the kernel for batterysaver which makes it even better.
[ROM-STOCK-605.9] iKReaM.What.Thee.ROM.605.9-R3Ds this rom is legit but if someone could tell me what that clock is and how get it i would greatly appreciate it
I used CM7.1 most of the time but switch to a BAMF Sense 3.0 ROM on Thursday nights (and sometimes Sunday and Monday night) to watch NFL Mobile. They are both nice, but Sense 3.0 has some stupid issues, like lack of landscape mode, lower volume by default, dodgy Bluetooth support, etc, it's enough to make you want to get rid of it.
I have th3oryrom - ics
I vote for th3ory, i like that it is non htc sense. And this one is a ics look/feel rom. This is a link to dhacker29's rom (http://th3oryrom.com/ROMS/SHIFTAO5P_IC3.2.1.zip );and although it is 2.3.7 android it still seems like you're using ics. the only bug i have found is flash keeps crapping out. there's a thread i found (non t-bolt related) that i found where going to adjust (remove all) permissions fixes this but which folder i do not remember.
You won't get many votes for this b/c the developer isn't going to update it (at least i don't think) b/c they have moved on to another phone.
EDIT: i did a search for you if you're inclined to dnld this rom. in the Q&A bolt forum there is one i located that path on your phone you may need to find using root explorer to run flash. "/data/data/com.android.browser/app_plugins/com.adobe.flashplayer/.macromedia/Flash_Player/config.data" after this path go to permissions on this file and deselect all check marks.
Google Music
it is an awesome rom but since CLEAN flashing this rom, ive had issues streaming my music from google, it sucks, i read other people having this problem as well so i tried the various fixes i found and to no avail, its a deal breaker for me cuz i wanna listen to the music i paid for. im gonna try SHIFT AO5P n see if it produces some positive results, if not, im going back to INFECTEDROM. I WANT MY GOOGLE MUSICCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC!!!
~DiazKyubi~
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Liquid's AOSP 3.2 is by far the best rom I've used, it's based on CM7, which is technically still a beta, but I think that's just because the official support on the CM website is slated for CM9, I have no issues with Liquid 3.2 and I tend to be picky about dealing with bugs, and battery life is good the way it comes, better than Sense based roms, and you can configure the kernel for batterysaver which makes it even better.
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So I switched from MeanROM to AOKP JB and so far I'm having mixed feelings. I changed because battery life on MeanROM was not making me happy. Its smoother than Sense and feels overall snappier but my only two complains are the proximity sensor on calls and also the camera image.
I know this phone has imagesense, but this is only enabled on Sense right? i have taken pictures and on AOSP JB, the image quality is crappy. There is no way to port imagesense since it has HTC's own coding right?
and also, which sense ROM has the best battery life in your tests or use?
yeah I agree the camera doesnt look as good at all.
Sense ROM wise, flex's rom is solid and the chubbzz one is pretty cool, on wifi my battery is pretty solid.
Thats the AOSP camera.....
Get used to it. Proprietary things arent going to make the change
The title pretty much says everything. What should I do?
The reason I've stuck with the stock rom is;
- Beats (The actual HTC one, also present in all audio and toggle when watching video)
- May receive updates (see below)
- HTC's Camera
- Seems to be the most stable
However, I also want these;
- Good battery life (Which stock rom is just, awful at doing)
- Slightly faster performance (It's fast already but you do get some delay with actions, mainly cause of HTC's junk.)
- Android 4.2.1, mainly for the expandable notifications really, I'm fed up of having to pinch them all the time.
- CPU Limits (underclocking)
HTC still haven't given us the 4.2 update yet. They're absolutely awful at giving them. My Wildfire S got updated to 2.3.5 in Jan '12, long after better Android Systems. If I had the 4.2 update, I wouldn't be contemplating this. Samsung are way better at the updates. HTC need to take a leaf out of their book.
A custom HTC rom is my first choice but I have a feeling the battery will still be awful. CM10.1 is a good option but feels so innocent, and the HTC look has kind of been imprinted on my head.
I'm using the stock rom, rooted and customized a bit(still need to deodex it though). At any rate, I'm having pretty good luck with it thus far, now that it's tweaked a little.
That being said, there are some good options in the roms section that are pretty much all reported to help battery life, performance, etc. Elegancia seems to be really popular at the moment so you might check that one out.
And of course, patience is also key here, in that as time passes more devs will probably get one, more roms will come out, etc. Hope that helps.
hey
Hey im using the viper xl+ rom and it has everything you have mentioned.
Its Stable
Has HTC camera
and is very very stable.
You should give it a try.
If you need anything I could help with the kernal flashing and adb.
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The title pretty much says everything. What should I do?
The reason I've stuck with the stock rom is;
- Beats (The actual HTC one, also present in all audio and toggle when watching video)
- May receive updates (see below)
- HTC's Camera
- Seems to be the most stable
However, I also want these;
- Good battery life (Which stock rom is just, awful at doing)
- Slightly faster performance (It's fast already but you do get some delay with actions, mainly cause of HTC's junk.)
- Android 4.2.1, mainly for the expandable notifications really, I'm fed up of having to pinch them all the time.
- CPU Limits (underclocking)
HTC still haven't given us the 4.2 update yet. They're absolutely awful at giving them. My Wildfire S got updated to 2.3.5 in Jan '12, long after better Android Systems. If I had the 4.2 update, I wouldn't be contemplating this. Samsung are way better at the updates. HTC need to take a leaf out of their book.
A custom HTC rom is my first choice but I have a feeling the battery will still be awful. CM10.1 is a good option but feels so innocent, and the HTC look has kind of been imprinted on my head.
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I would definitely go with the Viper XL ROM from Venom. It has been absolutely amazing. Performance is top notch, battery is top notch. Hats off to them. Really amazing rom.
Well considering how old this is I assume you already made a decision. That said if you are still looking I would go with Elegancia. The only other rom I tried was venom/viper and my experience was a train wreck. The rom was slow, had a tendency to need rebooted quite often and even after 2 weeks of cycles the batter was poor. Not to mention the force closes and the amount of utilities that seemed useless.
I put a custom rom on my phone out the box. I love ViperX+!
Three words, Yup.
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Well considering how old this is I assume you already made a decision. That said if you are still looking I would go with Elegancia. The only other rom I tried was venom/viper and my experience was a train wreck. The rom was slow, had a tendency to need rebooted quite often and even after 2 weeks of cycles the batter was poor. Not to mention the force closes and the amount of utilities that seemed useless.
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I agree on Elegancia. It looks stock, no ui changes, the pull down menu is stock (unlike viper has too many options in the pull down) no bloatware (for me no AT&T crap) it's rooted and ready to be used. Tried Viper roms for about a day and my OCD was going crazy with so many options. I like it to be clean and simple also it doesn't have a carrier or author boot sounds or images (my stock ROM had an annoying at&t noise and carrier logo and viper had its own boot logo of a cobra and said Viper)
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You can customize Viper in any way. If you don´t wanna have so much options, you can delete some of them. The Tweaks give you the ability, to change all in the way you like. That´s the freedom of Android Phones and Viper increases the possibilities.
Would love to run one of aosp, aokp or cm roms but the poor audio is off-putting. I appreciate this is a problem with HTC not releasing the drivers, but for now it keeps me on a stock based rom. I like the clean look of the sense-less Jellybean roms, the low and tinny speaker volume is a little off-putting.
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Would love to run one of aosp, aokp or cm roms but the poor audio is off-putting. I appreciate this is a problem with HTC not releasing the drivers, but for now it keeps me on a stock based rom. I like the clean look of the sense-less Jellybean roms, the low and tinny speaker volume is a little off-putting.
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lol wut? poor audio? tinny speaker volume??
Venom ROM
The Venom ROM is nice. Im just waiting for them to fix the volume rocker mod so I can change songs in Pandora without unlocking the phone http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2098218
Lloir is working a CM10 AOSP ROM and the audio appears fine. The only tinny audio issue I had was with the HTC Inspire and that issue went away with JB ROMs.
I used viper xl on my old ATT HOX for what seems like forever. My single most favorite ROM I have ever flashed, next to CM7 on an inspire 4g. But truth be told I'm very happy with the stock roms performance, I deleted all the bloatware and crap i dont use and its performance and battery life are above average, im very satisfied. The only thing I'd change is the factory battery icon (id like to see actual percentage), and id like to have a landscape mode on the home screen.
stock ROM is stable and fast for sure but Custom ROM's have just some extra options and thats all. I am using ARHD from mike. Loves it !
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I used viper xl on my old ATT HOX for what seems like forever. My single most favorite ROM I have ever flashed, next to CM7 on an inspire 4g. But truth be told I'm very happy with the stock roms performance, I deleted all the bloatware and crap i dont use and its performance and battery life are above average, im very satisfied. The only thing I'd change is the factory battery icon (id like to see actual percentage), and id like to have a landscape mode on the home screen.
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Did you ever use the Volume rockers to skip tracks on songs when the screen was off with this ROM?
Viper X + 1.0.3
So I have the Viper X + 1.0.3 Rom on my device and have to say: these are worlds between the stock ROM and the Viper X +.
It's fast, absolutely smooth, battery friendly and the support is great.
Again and again
sandsrules said:
The reason I've stuck with the stock rom is;
- Beats (The actual HTC one, also present in all audio and toggle when watching video)
- May receive updates (see below)
- HTC's Camera
- Seems to be the most stable
However, I also want these;
- Good battery life (Which stock rom is just, awful at doing)
- Slightly faster performance (It's fast already but you do get some delay with actions, mainly cause of HTC's junk.)
- Android 4.2.1, mainly for the expandable notifications really, I'm fed up of having to pinch them all the time.
- CPU Limits (underclocking)
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- Beats gives U more options with custom mods -> please See Elegancia Rom or ViperX one ore Lyapota mod alone for any custom rom
- Same updates with same interface with ViperX rom! but much more and better updates
- HTC camera - what the difference? again U can use some useful mods if U want or not as U wish
- Luckily Great devs took care on HOX+. You can rely on Venom Team, Elegancia, Insert Coin, ARHD for sure!
Howewer...
Android 4.2.1 only without Sense for now. If you choose rom not based on stock base then it couldn't be as stable because of many drivers which developers don't have from HTC
Searched and I was surprised there was no main thread comparing and discussing the differences between Sense and AOSP roms like a lot of other device sub forums have. I've been running a Sense 5 rom since I got my DNA a few months ago but have been itching to switch to AOSP. However I have a few questions.
In my past experience with other devices, native ROMs (in this case Sense based) usually work a little better in terms of things like battery life, signal, and stability. Is this the same for the DNA?
Other things I'm concerned about
-Camera: IMO the Sense camera is way better than the AOSP. I can deal with the loss of software features, but is the picture quality still as good?
-Sound: Beats is mostly just an equalizer gimmick, but the DNA is loud and overall sounds great. I briefly ran an AOSP rom and the first thing I noticed was the sounds was distorted at high levels. I also found this thread which echos my problem. Is this still an issue?
I'd say in my opinion you are spot on with the sense vs aosp in the aspect of aosp issues! Just MY OPINION AND PERSONAL FINDINGS! I love Aosp but I do think it lacked some of the "stock, supposed to be there" kind of feeling I get with sense.. I have been running the CM 11 nightlies for quite a while now. I don't know about pic quality for sure. If there is a difference it's not noticeable to me. I do think I get better battery on sense but signal and stability are basically equal..
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I haven't run an AOSP rom since I first flashed NOS Google Play Edition. No matter how strong the temptation to try KitKat, the lower external speaker volume on the AOSP roms that I tried, combined with the inability to use Google Sound Search, Soundhound, or Shazam, ultimately made me stick with a rom using the Sense kernel. But, since I can't stand Sense, I'm sticking with GPE Roms, no matter how delayed they may be.
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I've just been on CM11 today after only using sense 5. I can say I already miss blinkfeed, and can already assume the battery will be worse, but everything else seems the same. It's worth trying. I'm rather fond of the Google integration.
Watercycle said:
I've just been on CM11 today after only using sense 5. I can say I already miss blinkfeed, and can already assume the battery will be worse, but everything else seems the same. It's worth trying. I'm rather fond of the Google integration.
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The battery is way better when the screen is off, but probably worse than sense when the screen is on. I don't usually have more than 2 and a half hours of screen time in a day, but I typically get about 18 hours of battery on crpalmer's cm11 kernel. Also as far as cameras go, I love camera jb+. Stock aosp camera with some extra features, my favorite being the 6mp setting because it gives me full screen 16:9 pictures. Focal is great too and shows a lot if potential, but it's really unstable.
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The only problem I have with CM based roms is the low volume when recording videos. Otherwise no problems. Battery, signal, speaker volume, etc are are on par or better than Sense plus the snappiness and customizability are great. There may be a couple apps that don't work well with CM ROMs but I don't use those particular apps so it's not a problem for me.
I've been running Carbon 4.3 for the last two months. I have not tried a KK ROM since all the features have not been implemented yet.
orangechoochoo said:
The only problem I have with CM based roms is the low volume when recording videos. Otherwise no problems. Battery, signal, speaker volume, etc are are on par or better than Sense plus the snappiness and customizability are great. There may be a couple apps that don't work well with CM ROMs but I don't use those particular apps so it's not a problem for me.
I've been running Carbon 4.3 for the last two months. I have not tried a KK ROM since all the features have not been implemented yet.
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FYI, the camcorder volume should be much better for any kit-kat ROM build with the 12/12 or later CM device tree.
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crpalmer said:
FYI, the camcorder volume should be much better for any kit-kat ROM build with the 12/12 or later CM device tree.
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Could you make that change to the 4.3 kernel?
orangechoochoo said:
Could you make that change to the 4.3 kernel?
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It's a change in the CM device tree. Gimme a kit-kat? Aka, time to bit the bullet and update?
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It's a change in the CM device tree. Gimme a kit-kat? Aka, time to bit the bullet and update?
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I spent the first two-thirds of the year playing with alpha and beta ROMs, right now I'm just holding steady with the full-featured versions of 4.3. Plus there's nothing compelling about KK ROMs except for the fact it's new. It has ART but it's still too new and some devs suggest against using it for now.
In my experience sense obviously has a better camera and also better sound even with beats off and viper audio sense sound is just better.
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I spent the first two-thirds of the year playing with alpha and beta ROMs, right now I'm just holding steady with the full-featured versions of 4.3. Plus there's nothing compelling about KK ROMs except for the fact it's new. It has ART but it's still too new and some devs suggest against using it for now.
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I've made the jump and I'm on the latest CM 4.4.2 (12-17 build) and it is sooooo much faster and smoother than 4.3. I was scared to make the jump but this thing really flies. Battery life is about the same.
HTC DNA
d08speed3 said:
I've made the jump and I'm on the latest CM 4.4.2 (12-17 build) and it is sooooo much faster and smoother than 4.3. I was scared to make the jump but this thing really flies. Battery life is about the same.
HTC DNA
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Even compared to 4.3 with your build.prop tweaks?
orangechoochoo said:
Even compared to 4.3 with your build.prop tweaks?
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Yup. I've applied my same tweaks to 4.4.2 and it flies man. Its really stable. To odeox the ROM use this flashable zip I found in this thread. Download the "ARMEABI" (That's for our device). I'm really happy with kitkat.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=47462548
HTC DNA
Thanks for all the input so far. Still a little worried about the sound issues but I'll probably give an AOSP rom a try, can always revert back to my nandroid
detonation said:
Thanks for all the input so far. Still a little worried about the sound issues but I'll probably give an AOSP rom a try, can always revert back to my nandroid
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Def give it a try it's fun I do it all the time but inevitably always go back to sense
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d08speed3 said:
Yup. I've applied my same tweaks to 4.4.2 and it flies man. Its really stable. To odeox the ROM use this flashable zip I found in this thread. Download the "ARMEABI" (That's for our device). I'm really happy with kitkat.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=47462548
HTC DNA
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I tried KK today, what annoys me is:
1. The browser, which I use a lot, doesn't have text reflow, incognito mode, and working full screen mode (hide nav bar). I do not like other browsers.
2. The dialer sucks.
With the tweaks it doesn't seem much faster than 4.3.
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I tried KK today, what annoys me is:
1. The browser, which I use a lot, doesn't have text reflow, incognito mode, and working full screen mode (hide nav bar). I do not like other browsers.
2. The dialer sucks.
With the tweaks it doesn't seem much faster than 4.3.
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Weird. Ive flashed back and forth between 4.3 and 4.4....4.4 feels way smoother
HTC DNA
I don't care for smoothness, I want it to be responsive and fast. If I flick up or down I don't want a delay to make it feel smooth, I want it to instantly move fast. That's just me, I have all animations and various frills turned off. I replicated the same setup on 4.4 and it just wasn't the same.
I was wondering about the pros and cons of each. For example, right now I'm running MIUI, and it has the best experience of any rom I've used (I've been using MIUI since GB on my N1 - only recently upgraded to the GSIII). But, I really like the way Milk Music looks, and I can only get that particular app if I'm running a near-stock touchwiz based rom.
I was wondering if there was a way to get the best of both worlds? Or if I should stay away from stock entirely, or if there are any other benefits I'm missing!
Hello !
I believe this is one of the hardest question to reply ever "stock or aosp/aokp/miui".
For me, everything depends on what you want to do with your phone. Exellent battery life would be stock rom, but more smoothness would be cm, for exemple.
NewbieFTW said:
Hello !
I believe this is one of the hardest question to reply ever "stock or aosp/aokp/miui".
For me, everything depends on what you want to do with your phone. Exellent battery life would be stock rom, but more smoothness would be cm, for exemple.
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It's mostly about appearance and functionality for me. I'm pretty good on battery life, and have a battery backup if needed. I love how clean MIUI looks. It's always looked obsessively clean, and I love it for that. It also lets me arrange my status bar into the iOS style (I like the battery on one side, signal on the other - clock in the middle).
MIUI with Aviate as my launcher seems to work wonders, and MIUI has a lot of great features - built in data monitor, app and trash cleaners, just a lot of great things to keep the phone running smooth.
But I want the samsung support as well. I like a lot of the touchwiz stuff (minus the actual launcher), and I enjoy having my data backed up with them (MIUI backs up my data, but not all of it, really). And I am absurdly interested in the Milk Music app. But when you look at stock/near-stock touchwiz based roms that have the samsung support and the camera app, and the like, you're stuck with the stock UI as well. Which is nice, mind you - leaps and bounds better than it was in previous versions, but still leaps and bounds behind the work that MIUI has done to give it the smooth feel I've come to expect.
If only there was a way to get the Samsung Framework on MIUI, I think all my problems would be solved.
I never tried MIUI, because I don't really fancy the iOS style..
I think, the perfect rom would be a mix of CM, stock rom, and maybe MIUI too, but I believe that's impossible to make.. :/
Stock:
Pros:Usually completely stable,Full warranty,Apps is usually better designed/has more features,Can use official updates easily,More Secure(Without root of course)Usually looks better(my opinion)
Cons:
(may be a bit slow)
Inefficient
Unrooted
Bootloader may be locked
High ram usage
Custom
Pros:
Usually faster than stock
Usually pre-rooted
More efficient
Usually quicker update timeframe
Less space is used
Easier to install certain apps
Cons:
Loss of warranty
Unstable
Errors
Insecure(rooted)
Apps are more plain (less features/looks)