ok so my brother just got the atrix 4g and it is REALLY fast... for some reason it just "feels" really fast...for example when scrolling through menus it looks much smoother and feels waaaay faster...now the xperia x10 is by no means a slow phone, so for doing something as simple as scrolling through a home screen it should feel just as responsive, does this have something to do with the 30fps limit on the framerate or am i just confused?
It could have something to do with the fact that there is quite different hardware in the Atrix. For instance, it has a dual-core processor and 1GB of RAM vs. the X10's single-core processor and 384MB of RAM. The RAM difference alone (among other hardware differences) could be reason enough for why it 'feels' faster. The Atrix runs 2.2 and the X10 runs 2.1 (unless you've installed one of the 2.2 or 2.3 ROMs on here) and there are HUGE speed/performance differences between 2.1 and 2.2.
Another thing being that they are operating on different software. Motorola has their own modifications in place and they have optimized this software to work with the hardware of the Atrix. The X10 is hindered to some extent by its software and this could be another reason why it 'feels' faster.
In short, there is no one contributing factor.
lol this is like comparing a stock civic to a porsche, then asking why the porsche is faster...
Hello DuuDe's! 'Sup!?
I know, every device(CellPhone) is best at one department, but i wanna Know: (3 Questions)
1-Wich is the best Device With 512mb of RAM?
2-Wich is the best Device With 768mb of RAM?
3-Wich is the best Device With 1024mb of RAM?
I wanna know all these 3 segments.
The device im seeking, is one that No matter what App or Game i "Trow" to it, it execute it Flawlessly.
And I know, i cant install like 300k apps because that loads the device and lags it, but i know the Ext2/3/4 partition Trick
NOTE: Really dont care too much if its LTE enable or not. If price difference is considerable for just Having LTE i may discard it... All because in my country LTE will arrive in 2016 if not latter :'(
Anyway, if you guys help me with that, I Will be Thankfully
Cheers!
LG Optimus Speed, HTC Sensation, Samsung Galaxy S2
I'd definitely say, the best smartphone (also because it has 1GB RAM) is the Galaxy S2 which runs super smooth and should handle every apps flawlessly (just for some Tegra games you need to install chainfire but the 1.2GHz Dual Core Chip plus Hardware acceleration is awesome).
The number of devices with 768MB RAM isn't that big either, I'd choose the HTC Sensation which also has a 1.2 GHz dual core processor and nice screen and built quality, maybe runs a tiny bit worse that the S2 but it is definitely a great phone which also probably handles apps and games without problems.
The number of devices with 512 MB RAM is endless and the qualities of these devices depend on many things.
They usually handle applications and games (also 3d ones) as they are menu to be- all which is more a matter of the used processor. The best chip in a 512MB RAM phone is in the LG Optimus speed I think (Nvidia Tegra2, dual core) which runs very nice, also with high end Tegra optimized 3d games, and the OS will be even faster if you install CM7. The speed is pretty cheap for a dual core phone btw.
Hope this helps.
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I'd definitely say, the best smartphone (also because it has 1GB RAM) is the Galaxy S2 which runs super smooth and should handle every apps flawlessly (just for some Tegra games you need to install chainfire but the 1.2GHz Dual Core Chip plus Hardware acceleration is awesome).
The number of devices with 768MB RAM isn't that big either, I'd choose the HTC Sensation which also has a 1.2 GHz dual core processor and nice screen and built quality, maybe runs a tiny bit worse that the S2 but it is definitely a great phone which also probably handles apps and games without problems.
The number of devices with 512 MB RAM is endless and the qualities of these devices depend on many things.
They usually handle applications and games (also 3d ones) as they are menu to be- all which is more a matter of the used processor. The best chip in a 512MB RAM phone is in the LG Optimus speed I think (Nvidia Tegra2, dual core) which runs very nice, also with high end Tegra optimized 3d games, and the OS will be even faster if you install CM7. The speed is pretty cheap for a dual core phone btw.
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Thanks men, i see more clear now.
The HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio, its worth to expect the release of it?
What do you say? Should i spect 2012 for buy the phone?
All those 3 options, or any Dual-Core phone will last 2 year flawless on executing Apps?
I ask because, i see how the phone world is evolving... Like Gaming on PC, in 6 month u cant play the last games... I don't want giving 500/600 and in 1 year or less i have to change it, cuz lag/Don't Execute
2 years is a very long time
It's impossible to pretend how the whole thing will develop in two years, it's just certain that we will at least have Quadcore chips then (Nvidia's quadcore processor will probably come in the first quarter of 2012 and the devices a little later). And I'm pretty sure that there will be games optimized for this Nvidia chipset which may not run anywhere else- like it's today with the Tegra2. But the number of those games is relatively small (at least now) and most current 3d games with nice graphics van be played on current (or even >1 year old 1GHz) phones, look at the SE Xperia play!
The Sensation XE is no bad choice (1.5GHz Dual Core Snapdragon, 768MB of RAM, but that isn't that hugely important for the choice of games). If you can get it for a good price you won't buy a bad phone with a powerful processor- although I think I'd still prefer the Galaxy S2.
I really can't guarantee that a phone you but today will do everything a new phone maybe be able to do in two years, I'm even sure that a 2013/2014 device will be able to handle things a 2011 phone won't but you shouldn't be too sad about that. The device will still run well in two years and it will probably run 97% of all available games- but I still can't look into the future.
I don't know how long you want to wait with the purchase of your next phone, in a few months there will be certainly better phones- e.g. the next Nexus will be unveiled in some days, not sure what to expect from it, also the price of current flagships will drop.
What might be great for you if you love gaming would be a successor to the Xperia Play but I haven't heard anything about it yet.
What I don't understand is if the GPU gets high scores in benchmarks like 53-58 fps on nenamark1. 59-60 + fps on the antutu gpu section, adn everything seems to run smooth on the phone. I noticed there is some lag for the launcher and scrolling for the stock sense launcher, as well sa go launcher ex. Could it just be that sense really bogs a phone down? Or maybe theres just a few small glitches that need to be addressed? With these specs 1.5ghz snapdragon w/ the s3 soc which is no slouch, and an adreno 220 GPU which is stronger than the power 540, you'd imagine there would be no graphical/transitonal lag. Or lag of any kind at all. I really am thinking it is software/sense and all the crapware and bloat that was added to this phone.
I came from the RAZR (not interested in the nexus cause samsung and no SD) and there wasn't any graphical/transitional lag on that phone. It does have the lighter version of blur, and the only real thing that I noticed, was stock launcher had a slight stutter when you first scroll and thats it. On go launcher the app drawer scrolling was smooth as butter, but doesn't seem as smooth on the Rezound. Could it also be the fact that the applications aren't optimized yet for this resolution? Any input would be appreciated! Thanks!
well, here's the thing. the RAZR & Galaxy Nexus both have the same CPU, and yes, it runs at 1.2GHz
the Rezound is 1.5GHz(factory overclocked), but was originally a 1.2GHz CPU as well... not to mention that the CPU in the Rezound is also nearly a year older then the CPU in the other 2.
that still doesn't mean that the CPU sucks, it's just a tad out dated(really all dual-cores are since quad-core is on the way). of course, once we get perm root we'll be able to overclock and everything will be dandy.
the main issue though is that Gingerbread isn't really built to properly handle multi-core CPU's. it won't be until we get ICS or again, perm root & then able to load de-sensed/aosp roms that we'll really be able to see what this phone can actually do.
Fisrt, the CPU that raze uses and galaxy nexus uses are different. They both run at 1.2ghz though the one on nexus is supposed to be clocked at 1.5. Secondly, the CPU on resound is not overclocked. It is supposed to run at the 1.5 GHz clock speed.
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On the wiki it shows that the MSM8660 ranges from 1.2 - 1.5 ghz so probably not factor OC'd. Probalby just how they were turned out when they were binned. The outside of the wafer probably were stable 1.2 - 1.3 and the center 1.4 - 1.5. Yeah it shows Q3 2010 makes you wonder why htc would put a chipset that old in a current phone, but still performance shouldn't be like this at all. Even though it only has single-channel 333 MHz ISM/266 MHz LPDDR2 RAM I doubt that will bottle neck the CPU in anyway shape or form. The TI 4430 Q1 2011 and the 4460 Q4 2011, both use the 540 GPU but have dual channel RAM. Not sure how much of a difference that makes, but considering that Intel went back from triple channel to dual channel, shouldn't be too much.
Antutu benches show that the CPU's pretty much obtain the same scores for CPU/2D 3D graphics. Hell even the Rezound gets better nenamark1 scores by like 5-7 fps. So the benches show on paper this phone is equally just as powerful as the RAZR/Nexus yet they have these graphical/UI stutters/lag?
I really am just thinking that Sense/Bloat have plagued a powerful phone. The RAZR isn't too bogged down by the lighter blur it seems, just the poor coding of moto. Shame the MSM8960 didn't come out sooner and inb4 it's on the Rezound 2 next year or something lol. One just can never keep up with technology and it's futile to try w/ the rate hardware changes with Android.
any lag you notice is def sense.
notice the notification dropdown lag?
yeah, that's been in EVERY SINGLE sense 2/3 hybrid rom on the HTC incredible in the past 4 or so months. it's a problem with (i assume) gingerbread and the new sense.
when we ran froyo Z roms with sense 2.0, t here was no lag in bringing down the notification dropdown.
many people said it was bc of the recent apps..however, in many sense 2/3 hybrid roms on GB, devs took out the recent apps, and it still did it.
pretty sure it's just bc sense is a hog, and something is coded weird/bad here. i know that notification dropdown lag pisssssssssssssssssssed me off so much on the incredible, and seeing it on a brand new dual core phone really gets me angry, but i stopped being so anal about it and realized that this phone is AMAZING in every other sense (no pun intended )
In case it isn't clear, the RAZR uses the OMAP 4430, while the Nexus uses the slightly newer OMAP 4460. The only real difference I know of is that the GPU in the 4460 is overclocked to 384 MHz, while the GPU in the 4430 is around 300 MHz.
The Droid Bionic and the RAZR are practically identical in hardware, with the excemption of a better screen and camera on the RAZR.
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any lag you notice is def sense.
notice the notification dropdown lag?
yeah, that's been in EVERY SINGLE sense 2/3 hybrid rom on the HTC incredible in the past 4 or so months. it's a problem with (i assume) gingerbread and the new sense.
when we ran froyo Z roms with sense 2.0, t here was no lag in bringing down the notification dropdown.
many people said it was bc of the recent apps..however, in many sense 2/3 hybrid roms on GB, devs took out the recent apps, and it still did it.
pretty sure it's just bc sense is a hog, and something is coded weird/bad here. i know that notification dropdown lag pisssssssssssssssssssed me off so much on the incredible, and seeing it on a brand new dual core phone really gets me angry, but i stopped being so anal about it and realized that this phone is AMAZING in every other sense (no pun intended )
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Good pun was good! The nerd in me approves! Anyways I came from the RAZR cause I just couldn't STAND the battery life/heat on that phone it was terrible, horrible even. Smart actions data saver which turns of backround synching I'd wake up with 30-40% of the battery gone :/. The phone also got pretty damn hot like 104-110 while watching netflix w/ full brightness. Although it did remain the same temperature 104-110 while on the charger. I'm not a fan of Samsung phones at all so the Nexus was out of the picture for me (that + no SD card and low quality build, screen issues I could go on). I can't wait for AOSP, or some custom ROM that eliminates launcher/notifications lag. The browser doesnt' fair too well either on sites with full flash. I'm sure I could download a 3rd party browser and it'd be okay.
that's whats great about the rezound, and android in general....buy the rezound for some great hardware etc, then if you really want to, root it and put AOSP on it.
with any other phone, you can't root it and put sense on it. i love sense personally, even though she's a hog. yeah, it's a little slow sometimes, but honestly, i could NEVER have a motorola or a samsung as an android phone. at this point, i NEED htc because it looks and handles the best to me.
I personally do think that the SoC on the Rezound is superior when compared to RAZR/Nexus. I like how sense looks yes, it's is no doubt the best added skin out there. I am a performance junkie and I like to fine tune all my electronic devices, computer, phone, tv etc. I can't wait to get a good ROM on here AOSP, hell even sense if it fixes the lag problems, and shows smoother app drawer scrolling for the sense launcher and third party launchers.
RAZR = 1.2GHz OMAP4430
Nexus = 1.2GHz OMAP4460
The 4460 is spec'ed at 1.5GHz, but was probably underclocked to conserve battery and whatnot.
The processor in the Rezound is a dual-core Scorpion based snapdragon. Scorpion is an instruction set based on Cortex A8, so it's a little older than the OMAP4 core which are Cortex A9 based.
The short answer is the SoC in the RAZR and the Nexus are actually quite a bit better than the one in the Rezound. It's a whole generation ahead.
Scorpion is loosely based on A8, they license the instructions from arm but make their own mods, so it's a tweaked A8 with some A9 features. The new krait will be like an A15 so hopefully qualcomm will jump ahead. All I know is the omap came out last and their linpack scores are crazy high for multithreaded. At this point though it's not a big deal, i don't have any lag on my Evo 3D and it's the qualcomm. Just relax and enjoy the ride of tech
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Scorpion is loosely based on A8, they license the instructions from arm but make their own mods, so it's a tweaked A8 with some A9 features. The new krait will be like an A15 so hopefully qualcomm will jump ahead. All I know is the omap came out last and their linpack scores are crazy high for multithreaded. At this point though it's not a big deal, i don't have any lag on my Evo 3D and it's the qualcomm. Just relax and enjoy the ride of tech
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Linpack is junk for benches imo. Idk whats bogging down the Rezound. Maybe just sense and all the crapware? Or software isn't properly utilized for the HD? Linpack for the 4430 85-90, Rezound just hit 88 on first run derpppp.
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RAZR = 1.2GHz OMAP4430
Nexus = 1.2GHz OMAP4460
The 4460 is spec'ed at 1.5GHz, but was probably underclocked to conserve battery and whatnot.
The processor in the Rezound is a dual-core Scorpion based snapdragon. Scorpion is an instruction set based on Cortex A8, so it's a little older than the OMAP4 core which are Cortex A9 based.
The short answer is the SoC in the RAZR and the Nexus are actually quite a bit better than the one in the Rezound. It's a whole generation ahead.
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Yeah its underclocked from 1.5 I'm sure, I doubt it's a lower quality 4460 (which im sure they mark as 4430 assuming theyre form the same wafer). What I don't get is the phones do have similar benches rezound topping off some and the RAZR/Nexus topping off some. But regardless of the the soc being a bit older, there still should be ZERO lag on a device of this caliber. Especially when you get the lag from the status notifcation bar, the appdrawer scrolling( even on 3rd party launchers like go). I just wonder if its sense or coding is not properly utilized for the resolution, I have no idea. Any thoughts?
Its sense... Sense is just massive. I can almost 100% guarantee that its sense....
On my Desire 6275, with 2fasts miui and cm7, my desire had no lag what so ever with anything. Though it was a single core and old and the ram and memory were bull**** garbage. On an AOSP rom and even a stripped modified sense rom it didn't lag at all for UI transitions and app launching. I didn't even have it overclocked.
I bet this phone will be dam near perfect on an AOSP or stripped sense rom... I'm excited for it lol. I bet we can even underclock it and still have exceptional performance. And I have no complaints about battery life either. So on an undervolted kernel it will improve even more.
With a great developer following and an overall better hardware configuration than any other phone, this will easily keep me happy until 4quater next year(until the next best phone) or even after that maybe
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Its sense... Sense is just massive. I can almost 100% guarantee that its sense....
On my Desire 6275, with 2fasts miui and cm7, my desire had no lag what so ever with anything. Though it was a single core and old and the ram and memory were bull**** garbage. On an AOSP rom and even a stripped modified sense rom it didn't lag at all for UI transitions and app launching. I didn't even have it overclocked.
I bet this phone will be dam near perfect on an AOSP or stripped sense rom... I'm excited for it lol. I bet we can even underclock it and still have exceptional performance. And I have no complaints about battery life either. So on an undervolted kernel it will improve even more.
With a great developer following and an overall better hardware configuration than any other phone, this will easily keep me happy until 4quater next year(until the next best phone) or even after that maybe
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I have no doubt that this phone can be a top performer w/ the soc eventhough it's last years model. I'm sure they have improved upon it more, hell it performs with the current TIOMAP socs and even beats it in some areas. The RAZR had terrible battery life and it did perform great on a stripped down blur. I was thinking about the Nexus but Samsung (no ty), no SD card (no ty), cheap build quality which also has to do with reason #1. I heard there were also screen issues w/ the Nexus, bad sound quality etc. I was very hopeful of the Nexus but was disappointed when it was Samsung building the phone. So that leaves the Rezound w/ its HD display, $120 dollar headphones and designed for media which is my #1 priority. Hopefully we get S-off and we can get rid of a lot of this trash on a great phone.
Update: I slapped on ADW EX and the stutter/jerking for the notification bar has been greatly minimized. App drawer is a lot smoother for sure. Interesting thing is everything else runs great. I was watching 1280 x 720p video off the class 4 SD with very minor lag. I put in my class 10 SD so we'll see how that goes! I'm sure once this phone is on AOSP or a stripped version of Sense, she'll fly even more.
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Its sense... Sense is just massive. I can almost 100% guarantee that its sense....
On my Desire 6275, with 2fasts miui and cm7, my desire had no lag what so ever with anything. Though it was a single core and old and the ram and memory were bull**** garbage. On an AOSP rom and even a stripped modified sense rom it didn't lag at all for UI transitions and app launching. I didn't even have it overclocked.
I bet this phone will be dam near perfect on an AOSP or stripped sense rom... I'm excited for it lol. I bet we can even underclock it and still have exceptional performance. And I have no complaints about battery life either. So on an undervolted kernel it will improve even more.
With a great developer following and an overall better hardware configuration than any other phone, this will easily keep me happy until 4quater next year(until the next best phone) or even after that maybe
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Sense roms are around 350 mb stock, aosp is about 80-100 depending on the phone... Sense is a huge memory hog
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Sense for this rom is over 500mb. Aosp can get down to 50ish mb which is amazing.
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Sense for this rom is over 500mb. Aosp can get down to 50ish mb which is amazing.
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Yea, that size is closer to what I was thinking
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Ridiculous, and what is more ridiculous is that the phone is able to function for the most part!
From what I have read, No android os, including Froyo and Gingerbread, have been built to fully use a gpu for hardward acceleration with the exception of Honeycomb. ICS is the first android os to have it fully supported. This is why the iPhone has always seemed to have smoother scrolling. IOS has always had it. I can't wait until our Rezound gets ICS and unleash this gpu.
Hey, im still debating the idea of getting an S3, ive got the SGS1 :O im still perfectly content with it. ive heard numerous amount of complaints that the TW Launcher has to reload after using the S3 for things such as gaming and intense web browsing. And considering the fact that the USA variant of the S3 has 2GB of Ram im worried whether in a few months time the International S3 will be lacking in terms of Ram, LG already announced their 2GB phone (although LG are so crappy in terms of software, i doubt it will even be as fast as the S2 -.-, no offence to any LG fans, just kidding there aren't any )
On a serious note though, im guessing most of the high end phones within the upcoming months will have 2GB Ram standard, and the fact that so many people are having Ram issues with TW is making me doubt whether i should get an S3 or wait for the next powerhouse of a phone with an A15 chip and 2GB of Ram. Is this merely just a software bug? Or is the Ram actually struggling to keep up? ive seen similar problems with the One X. Although ive heard that it has been fixed, which is a good sign. And tbh, although the Exynos Quadcore is badass, i dont think its very balanced, the S4 chip in the US variant of the One X is damn fast and im guessing its going to be the same in the S3, in most cases it even keeps up with Quad core, and 2GB of Ram and Dual core processor sounds abit more efficient than a crazy Quad-core chip and merely 1GB of RAM. i dont really think Quad core will catch on, apart from the HOX and S3 i think every other phone will move towards the S4 chip and later A15 chips. Which leads me to believe that the S3 will be horribly underpowered (in terms of RAM) compared to phones later on in the year, and baring in mind that ive still got an S1. i like my phones to still be keeping up for atleast 2 years before they show signs of slow down. it seems as though the S3 is a beast in some aspects and weak in others. No hate for it by the way incase some [email protected]$$ decides to say "GTFO STOP HATING ITS THE BEST PHONE IN THE WORLD" It will still be an absolutely amazing phone regardless...
Keep in mind that english is not my first language, and I'm posting here because of the visibility and because my device hasn't got a section.
I own a galaxy ace 3 LTE, Qualcomm MSM8930 Snapdragon 400, dual core 1.2 ghz with adreno 305 and 1GB ram, android 4.2.2. Sounds quite good, but something really bothers me... The stutters.
This phone stutters noticeably when scrolling (anywhere: stock browser, third-party browsers, on sms list...) and in VERY BASIC 2D GAMES, like Line Runner, Doodle Jump, Impossible Game. On this game, I found that it stutters a lot more right after I touch the screen to jump.
My previous device was an LG L7 II, with 768MB of ram, a dual core cortex a5 1 ghz processor and an adreno 203, and it was WAY better in this regard. Those 2d games worked like a charm on my LG phone.
Other than that, the phone is fast and can run even heavy 3d games with little to no problems. And I only have some basic background processes running, such as phone processes or gcm service.
Already tried developer options (all of them), different governors, I/O schedulers, greenify, frozing samsung junk, seeder, factory reset, flashing the whole firmware again... Nothing worked.
Samsung pulled out some updates for this phone, but the problem is still here. Please, tell me if there's something else I can try, or at least if this is a problem that Samsung can fix with an update or is an hardware fault.The phone is perfectly usable but this is REALLY annoying.
I forgot to add a thing: depending on the app, stuttering while scrolling occurs more or less frequently. But it's always there.
Stuttering in 2d games makes them more difficult and look like sh...