So guys I have the opportunity to get this beautiful phone, but I did not understand the difference between the two models at my disposal.
I can get a c6802 model for 510€ (689 US$) or a c6833 model for 619€ (837 US$).
What I cannot understand is: what is the difference between the two models?
Concerns only the bands (one have LTE and other not) or I could have problems in the future with things like updates or modding?
Thank you guys for your help!! :victory:
TheExodus said:
So guys I have the opportunity to get this beautiful phone, but I did not understand the difference between the two models at my disposal.
I can get a c6802 model for 510€ (689 US$) or a c6833 model for 619€ (837 US$).
What I cannot understand is: what is the difference between the two models?
Concerns only the bands (one have LTE and other not) or I could have problems in the future with things like updates or modding?
Thank you guys for your help!! :victory:
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Xperia Z Ultra LTE C6806 (LTE; Bands I, II, III, IV, V, VII, VIII, XX)
Xperia Z Ultra LTE C6833 (LTE; Bands I, II, IIII, V, VII, VIII, XVII)
Xperia Z Ultra HSPA+ C6802
Other than modems there is no difference.
At the moment the LTE models can not run on the new firmware. (well it can but LTE connectivity doesn't work) Other than that they seem to be the same. The firmware will work on either unit...
It comes down to if you want faster download/ upload speeds with mobile data.
- For me the extra money spent on the c6833 model wasn't worth it. Work and home have wireless, and the limited time I'm out and about HSPA+ is fine.
Do a quick visit to gsmarena.com.
To the upper right hand corner, you will see a search box.. just search for the ultra there.. you will see that the differences just lie on their network operating frequency (at least that's all i see :what
Other than that, it is pretty much the same...
I admit, the price difference between the LTE and hspa+ version is not worth it.
But here at my place, our network provider is pretty much forgetting their HSPA network and just dont want to fix issues anymore.. they are more focused in upgrading and stabilizing their LTE infrastructure so I'm just going to go with the flow and buy the LTE version..
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Engadget "When we reviewed the Sony Xperia Z Ultra, it was with the C6802, a HSPA+ model devoid of LTE bands. However, it seems that a speedy 4G version of the handset will arrive stateside soon, if this recent FCC listing is any indication. The document shows what is clearly the Sony Xperia Z Ultra, but with AT&T-compatible HSPA+ and LTE on board. This means it's likely the C6806, the handset's North American cousin, all set up to take advantage of Ma Bell's super-fast network. It doesn't look like there's too much else differentiating it from the international model however, so we'd take a gander at the review one more time to decide if it belongs on our wish list."
It would be very unfortunate with a branded Ultra since it would mean a crippled device with a crippled radio.
The C6806 standard edition offers both AT&T, T-Mobile and European bands (some slight differences there though, the 6806 has the 700 and the 6833 the 800 band).
So an unlocked C6806 is great but if Sony let a carrier fiddle with it, I guess that a couple of LTE bands will be removed (see what T-Mobile did with the Xperia Z C6606).
The best solution would be that Sony sells the Ultra unlocked through Sony Store - the C6806 that is. AT&T et al branding, bloatware and locked bootloader would destroy a magnificent device.
coming from a LTE ATT device to this, i can tell you, I DO NOT EVEN MISS LTE. for music,youtube,web,email,fb,cloud storage i do not see any difference
I was originally on the galaxy S3 with LTE, and switched over to a note 2 unlocked non LTE and sure, my speedtest scores aren't as high, and my downloads aren't as fast, but unless you're visiting some super graphic heavy site, it's not a huge diff. Plus LTE drains battery faster I believe. On a battery draining device such as the Ultra, you definitely won't want LTE constantly draining the battery. Especially if you're not on unlimited data.
I wish the C6806 was sold unlocked, but that's probably the Tmo version - which means they'll lock out a certain LTE band (700)
Funk2641 said:
I wish the C6806 was sold unlocked, but that's probably the Tmo version - which means they'll lock out a certain LTE band (700)
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You know, Negri Electronics has the C6806 up for pre-order.
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You know, Negri Electronics has the C6806 up for pre-order.
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For what it's worth, Negri also had the Xperia Z NAM edition (6606) up for pre-order, and that is nowhere to be found except on T-Mobile.
I hope I'm wrong, but with Sony signing an agreement w/ TMo, I don't expect LTE devices to be sold unlocked by them in the US anytime soon.
The positive side is that if the C6806 is destroyed by a carrier, the C6833 will work in the US since it has the T-Mobile bands and can use AT&T albeit without the 700 band.
So an option in a worst case scenario is to get the C6833 imported for those that demand LTE.
Unlike the Xperia Z, the C6806 and C6833 are pentaband like the C6802 and offers LTE in addition. The C6833 should therefore be an adequate option for US customers if the C6806 is messed up.
I am still hoping that Sony will sell the C6806 unlocked in the Sony Store but the C6833 is a perfectly adequate option.
Personally, the lack of VoLTE made me skip the LTE versions in favor of the C6802. Streaming videos etc isn't really an option on US capped plans and the HSPA+ speeds I got on the 6802 is very adequate for browsing, navigation, picture uploads etc.
I dunno, with the cost of C6833, I'd like the ability to use LTE with ATT.
It's kind of a no-win situation, since the C6833 will be available unlocked but without the 700 band, and the C6806 will be available but gimped.
bah
Funk2641 said:
I dunno, with the cost of C6833, I'd like the ability to use LTE with ATT.
It's kind of a no-win situation, since the C6833 will be available unlocked but without the 700 band, and the C6806 will be available but gimped.
bah
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Sony sold the Xperia ZL LTE unlocked on their website, they might do the same for this phone as well, at least i hope that's going to be the case.
Funk2641 said:
I dunno, with the cost of C6833, I'd like the ability to use LTE with ATT.
It's kind of a no-win situation, since the C6833 will be available unlocked but without the 700 band, and the C6806 will be available but gimped.
bah
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How do you know that? I wasn't under the impression that any US carriers were likely to pick this device up.
AntiLazarus said:
How do you know that? I wasn't under the impression that any US carriers were likely to pick this device up.
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It's rumored that Tmo might pick it up, since they have a exclusivity deal with Sony. Just speculation.
so currently the device will work fine on both ATT & Tmobile with HSPA+ right?
just no LTE
Z C6806 with LTE being sold for $630.00
http://www.welectronics.com/gsm/Son...-PURPLE.HTML?gclid=CPKFspmmkLkCFSVgMgodMW0AAQ
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cenkaetaya said:
so currently the device will work fine on both ATT & Tmobile with HSPA+ right?
just no LTE
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Correct - I have a Lumia 1020 and the Ultra Z C6802 on ATT. Here's some speedtests for you:
Ultra Z in HSPA (not even HSPA+) is getting 6Mb down, 2 Mb up
1020 in LTE gets 15Mb down, 11 Mb up
Despite the desparity, I don't notice that much difference in surfing. - not to mention the Z feels the fastest of any device used since the original Moto Xoom overclocked to 2GHz
Hope this helps!
I ran a SpeedTest yesterday and got a download of 8.3 Mbit/s on the AT&T network with HSPA+ and Straight Talk. A few minutes before, I ran another SpeedTest on the new Motorola Droid Razr Ultra and got... 3.5 Mbit/s - that's on Verizon 4G LTE.
So I am certainly very happy with the speeds I got on the Ultra in the center of Manhattan (the tests has been made near Grand Central).
randy_c said:
Z C6806 with LTE being sold for $630.00
http://www.welectronics.com/gsm/Son...-PURPLE.HTML?gclid=CPKFspmmkLkCFSVgMgodMW0AAQ
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Great deal for sure. Anybody ever done any business with them? If not I'd probably be more comfortable buying from Negri.
E90 Commie said:
The positive side is that if the C6806 is destroyed by a carrier, the C6833 will work in the US since it has the T-Mobile bands and can use AT&T albeit without the 700 band.
So an option in a worst case scenario is to get the C6833 imported for those that demand LTE.
Unlike the Xperia Z, the C6806 and C6833 are pentaband like the C6802 and offers LTE in addition. The C6833 should therefore be an adequate option for US customers if the C6806 is messed up.
I am still hoping that Sony will sell the C6806 unlocked in the Sony Store but the C6833 is a perfectly adequate option.
Personally, the lack of VoLTE made me skip the LTE versions in favor of the C6802. Streaming videos etc isn't really an option on US capped plans and the HSPA+ speeds I got on the 6802 is very adequate for browsing, navigation, picture uploads etc.
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That's interesting... Looks like the C6833 is MUCH more compatible with North American frequencies than the C6603 was.
C6603 (Euro LTE Xperia Z) lacked UMTS1700 and UMTS1900 support, which meant no 3G at all on T-Mo and 3G only where AT&T had UMTS850 service.
Entropy512 said:
That's interesting... Looks like the C6833 is MUCH more compatible with North American frequencies than the C6603 was.
C6603 (Euro LTE Xperia Z) lacked UMTS1700 and UMTS1900 support, which meant no 3G at all on T-Mo and 3G only where AT&T had UMTS850 service.
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Sony took the decision to use a top notch LTE radio in order to overcome the old limitations that plagued LTE devices until now. The only thing I don't like is the lack of VoLTE and it is one of the reasons why I went with the C6802 instead of following the original C6833 plan.
The only band missing on the C6833 is the 700 one, otherwise it should work nicely in the US meaning that it is a great option if it would end badly for the C6806 (i.e. carrier branding, removed bands and locked bootloader).
Hi All experts,
May I know, currently I own a C6802 Z Ultra. If I flash the C6833 TFT file on it, would it turn into C6833 with LTE enable?
Please help if someone has tried this before.
Many thanks. :good:
Nope.
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freddylao said:
Hi All experts,
May I know, currently I own a C6802 Z Ultra. If I flash the C6833 TFT file on it, would it turn into C6833 with LTE enable?
Please help if someone has tried this before.
Many thanks. :good:
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freddylao said:
Hi All experts,
May I know, currently I own a C6802 Z Ultra. If I flash the C6833 TFT file on it, would it turn into C6833 with LTE enable?
Please help if someone has tried this before.
Many thanks. :good:
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Maybe. I have C6802, recently flashed C6833 FTF and now everything about it seems like C6833.
There is an option to turn on LTE, I have yet to check if it works (I am stuck in a country with no LTE). I would know after new years...
Since the SoC is the same variant in 6833 (msm8974) as C6802, there should be no difference hardware-wise.
Maybe there is difference in antenna, but if I had to guess, I doubt it.
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warfareonly said:
Nope.
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Have you tried already? Or you read somewhere?
There was a discussion a long time ago in this forum about whether this was possible, but we never reached a conclusion since C6833 FTF files werent available back then
jewelkobayashi said:
Have you tried already? Or you read somewhere?
There was a discussion a long time ago in this forum about whether this was possible, but we never reached a conclusion since C6833 FTF files werent available back then
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Yes. To the former.
India has TDD LTE, BTW. You may want to try in Europe or someplace else.
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jewelkobayashi said:
Maybe. I have C6802, recently flashed C6833 FTF and now everything about it seems like C6833.
There is an option to turn on LTE, I have yet to check if it works (I am stuck in a country with no LTE). I would know after new years...
Since the SoC is the same variant in 6833 (msm8974) as C6802, there should be no difference hardware-wise.
Maybe there is difference in antenna, but if I had to guess, I doubt it.
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Have you tried already? Or you read somewhere?
There was a discussion a long time ago in this forum about whether this was possible, but we never reached a conclusion since C6833 FTF files werent available back then
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Thank you very much for your reply.
I will check back the Soc model adn do a test. Currently my city doesn't have LTE provider as well. Will know the result later on but still it worth a trial as you have proved to me that the firmware of C6833 can be used on C6802.
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freddylao said:
Hi All experts,
May I know, currently I own a C6802 Z Ultra. If I flash the C6833 TFT file on it, would it turn into C6833 with LTE enable?
Please help if someone has tried this before.
Many thanks. :good:
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At C6802 phone with the set drain firmware from C6833 LTE won't work. It is checked. 100%. In settings there will be LTE icon, but to sense from it won't be. On C6802 phones with the identical MCM8974 processor, there is no LTE module, programmatically not to solve it.
In the presence of communication of LTE there is no opportunity to set only LTE.
freddylao said:
Thank you very much for your reply.
I will check back the Soc model adn do a test. Currently my city doesn't have LTE provider as well. Will know the result later on but still it worth a trial as you have proved to me that the firmware of C6833 can be used on C6802.
:laugh::good::good:
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The C6802 is also known as the XL39h. However the external design for all variants of the XZU are identical. So often 3rd party's will say that this case fits the XL39h or screen protector for the XL39h.
But the C6806/C6833/C6843 are not the same internally as the XL39h. This (XL39h) base model was modified/upgraded to the now LTE variants. There is no way to suddenly have the LTE capability on a C6802
Feodorus 4PDA said:
At C6802 phone with the set drain firmware from C6833 LTE won't work. It is checked. 100%. In settings there will be LTE icon, but to sense from it won't be. On C6802 phones with the identical MCM8974 processor, there is no LTE module, programmatically not to solve it.
In the presence of communication of LTE there is no opportunity to set only LTE.
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OK, I think I understand what you are saying... I have no reasons to doubt, but one question...
SnapDragon 800 series have many models, and the model with LTE radio is MSM 8974.
MSM 8274 is the model which is 3g (HSPA+) only.
I am just saying, that I find it curious Qualcomm will deliver to Sony a specially modified msm8974 with LTE disabled, when there is msm8274 available.
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hamdogg said:
But the C6806/C6833/C6843 are not the same internally as the XL39h. This (XL39h) base model was modified/upgraded to the now LTE variants. There is no way to suddenly have the LTE capability on a C6802
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Hi hamdogg,
If you happen to have any links to show that the internals of C6802 is different to the LTE enabled brothers, I would appreciate it. :good:
Just like the OP, I am still quietly optimistic that the day I go back home for the holidays (Tokyo) I can enjoy LTE for the duration!
Until I see something saying otherwise, I just cannot give up on the idea that they are cross compatible.
When I try to think it through logically, many things do not add up... For example, to fit a differing model of antenna in a frame and everything else that is identical in dimensions and specs(between 6802 and 6833) is hard to believe. If the SoC, firmware and (my guess) the antenna are the same, there are no reasons why it cannot operate at LTE. My C6802 has identical firmware and hardware now (I say again, maybe antenna different, but strongly doubt)
IF the antenna differs a LOT in cost terms, maybe Sony is justified in differentiating the models, and thus charging more for the LTE models. But then again, I doubt that too... which would mean it would have been simpler to keep number of models offered fewer. Unless, that is, it was a cunning move by Sony to justify staggered roll out to different markets (thus negating the need to increase factory output capacity) and at the same time charge more for LTE models like C6833 from uses in developed nations where LTE happened to be spread anyway.
After all, LTE models are just as capable of utilising HSPA+, right?
Well it's unfortunately not just software trick but it is a hardware with some fuse blown off. So even you flash the c6833 there's no way to get the LTE. It is fuse blown off case.
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Here we have the Sky77629 signal amplifier. Its a multimode, multiband module inside both the Z1 and ZU.
It emits frequencies known as:
Quad-Band GSM/EDGE –
Hexa-Band (I, II, III, IV, V, VIII)
WCDMA / HSDPA / HSUPA / HSPA+ / LTE
The C6802 model does not have this chip. It has the SKY77340. So will not emit hexa-band frequency.
So despite the SOC having a modem for cellular communication on-die, the devices still require a separate module to amplify the signal... So internally the 3G and 4G models are different.
As far as the antenna is concerned there are two RF cables that run parallel on both sides of the device. This should enable a stable signal.
hamdogg said:
Here we have the Sky77629 signal amplifier. Its a multimode, multiband module inside both the Z1 and ZU.
It emits frequencies known as:
Quad-Band GSM/EDGE –
Hexa-Band (I, II, III, IV, V, VIII)
WCDMA / HSDPA / HSUPA / HSPA+ / LTE
The C6802 model does not have this chip. It has the SKY77340. So will not emit hexa-band frequency.
So despite the SOC having a modem for cellular communication on-die, the devices still require a separate module to amplify the signal... So internally the 3G and 4G models are different.
As far as the antenna is concerned there are two RF cables that run parallel on both sides of the device. This should enable a stable signal.
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Dear hamdogg,
thank you very much for the very clear explanation on my inquiry. it solved the mystery.:good:
thank you all for participating
hamdogg said:
Here we have the Sky77629 signal amplifier. Its a multimode, multiband module inside both the Z1 and ZU.
It emits frequencies known as:
Quad-Band GSM/EDGE –
Hexa-Band (I, II, III, IV, V, VIII)
WCDMA / HSDPA / HSUPA / HSPA+ / LTE
The C6802 model does not have this chip. It has the SKY77340. So will not emit hexa-band frequency.
So despite the SOC having a modem for cellular communication on-die, the devices still require a separate module to amplify the signal... So internally the 3G and 4G models are different.
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Thanks for the info Hamdogg
Now I can put my hopes to rest
I am planning on purchasing the Xperia Z Ultra for use in the US. I have noticed that Sony has several models of this phone -
Sony Xperia Z Ultra HSPA+ C6802
Sony Xperia Z Ultra LTE C6806
Sony Xperia Z Ultra LTE C6833
My intention at this point is to use it with T-Mobile LTE service. I realize that the C6802 will not do. How about the other two? Would both C6806 and C6833 be fully LTE compatible on T-Mobile US?
At some later date I may want to use it with AT&T or AT&T MVNO. Would both C6806 and C6833 be compatible with them?
Also, I travel often abroad and want to be able to purchase a local SIM cards in the countries I visit. Which of the two LTE phones will work better internationally?
In non technical terms - what’s the difference between the C6806 and C6833 and why Sony has both?
Which of the above two has the same network compatibility as the Google Play version?
Thanks in advance for any input and help.
Reuven
Take a look at this thread
Hi. I must say that I'm on t-mo and I bought my C6802 ultra since it came out and I has to say that when it comes to internet speed on HSPA+ not one I've had a complaint HSPA+ is fast enough for me here in denver co. Unless you really want to have LTE. I use slingplayer internet radio without lag. But then again not all phones are the same meaning may be I'm a lucky one that my phone s fast on my network.
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Take a look at this thread
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I was sure I made a thorough search... I must have overlooked it.
Sorry and thanks for the link to all the info I need!
Hello everyone. Just have a question about the Z2.
So say someone bought an UNLOCKED Sony Xperia Z2 and used it on T-Mobile's network. T-Mobile does NOT sell the Z2 officially (previous models were like the Z1S, but not the Z2). The Z2 is from what I've read capable of LTE-A. T-Mobile just started deploying updates to its official customers (ppl who bought phones from them) which included the enabling of LTE-A. Some phones like mine (T-Mobile HTC One M8) have LTE-A, but it's not enabled until I get that update, which will be very soon. But what about the Z2? Will the unlocked version have LTE-A already enabled?? How does it work?
I would really appreciate a clear and detailed answer. I'm curious how that all works. I almost bought the Z2 but b/c of the big delay in it reaching the states officially (a week ago lol) I got the M8 instead, which I love now, esp after rooting it. lol I'm wondering what I would've done if I'd gotten the unlocked Z2 instead.
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RockStar2005
Note quite. First, NOBODY in the US has LTE-A, or currently has publicly announced plans to rollout LTE-A
The unlocked Z2 supports all current T-mobile, 2G, 3G, and LTE bands.
T-Mobile is currently in the middle of deploying 2 different LTE related technologies. The first is VoLTE, which places calls over the LTE network instead of the normal GSM (GSM, EDGE, HSPA) network. The second thing they are doing is rolling out 15x15 and 20x20 LTE, which is increased data speeds.
With that said, the Z2 should take full advantage of the 15x15 and 20x20 LTE rollouts. I'm not sure about VoLTE however, although it seems unlikely to support it. The rollout you were referencing (HTC update to enable a feature) is VoLTE. I spend a lot more time on data than on voice so for me it's much less of a concern.
se1000 said:
Note quite. First, NOBODY in the US has LTE-A, or currently has publicly announced plans to rollout LTE-A
. . . I'm not sure about VoLTE however, although it seems unlikely to support it. The rollout you were referencing (HTC update to enable a feature) is VoLTE. I spend a lot more time on data than on voice so for me it's much less of a concern.
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The Snapdragon processor in the Z2 CAN do VoLTE, but Qualcomm says that the operator has to certify the phone (and radio chipset) for VoLTE first. Then, Sony has to provide a firmware update to enable VoLTE for the network, T-Mobile in this case. Don't hold your breath, this could take some time.
Hey guys.
I just made this account because I have a major phone crisis. I was thinking of buying a C5 Ultra to replace my broken phone.
But I'm not sure if the 3G and 4G LTE will work with it? I'm not particularly tech saavy. I asked five different representatives from my phone company and they said yes. I've also talked to two Sony reps and they weren't very helpful.
But I'm still unsure. My phone carrier is Claro (Puerto Rico). This is the info they've provided me with:
3G Operable: 850MHZ, 1900MHZ
4G Operable: 850MHZ-1900MHZ, B4 AWS (1700-2100), B17 (700MHZ), B12 (700MHZ)
Which left me still slightly confused. My band knowledge is basically squat. And I've been pulling my hair trying to make heads or tails of the different statements the reps have told me. They all say it'll work and yet I don't want to spend money on the equipment only to find out it doesn't work.
Anyways if anyone could help me out with this I'd be super grateful.
According to this Wikipedia list (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks) your operator seems to be using LTE Band 17.
And according to Xperia C5 Ultra specification white paper from Sony website (http://www-support-downloads.sonymobile.com/e5553/whitepaper_EN_e5553_e5506_xperia_c5_ultra.pdf) the only model that supports LTE Band 17 is the E5506 (Single SIM, none of the Dual SIM variants support the LTE Band 17).
When I bought mine the model number was printed on a sticker on the bottom of the box.
Also, I would suggest you double check with your operator whether they’re actually using LTE Band 17.
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They use Band 4, 12 and 17. I've actually asked them extensively about it. My only option would be the E5506, but I've no idea where to buy that -specific- model. I've been searching for almost a month. Sending e-mails and posting on forums, ect. No dice.
Looking at the Wikipedia list it seems that Band 4, 12, and 17 are mostly used in the countries around Northern America.
Based on past releases, Sony has always prioritize the Asian and Europe market first. Northern America model is almost always released last. I guess you'll have to wait.
Of course this is just a guess, I could be wrong.
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Just wanted to update this thread with new info. I'm now in possession of a C5 ultra E5506. I saw it come up on B&H photo and video and immediately bought it. It seems to work with 4G and 3G just fine.
So yes, its out there now. It just took a while.